Just when you thought this franchise couldn't be beaten down any further
http://io9.com/terminator-genisys-insane-plot-reveal-is-a-total-nightm-1652315938
QuoteSarah Connor isn't the innocent she was when Linda Hamilton first sported feathered hair and acid-washed jeans in the role. Nor is she Hamilton's steely zero body-fat warrior in 1991's T2. Rather, the mother of humanity's messiah was orphaned by a Terminator at age 9. Since then, she's been raised by (brace yourself) Schwarzenegger's Terminator—an older T-800 she calls "Pops"—who is programmed to guard rather than to kill. As a result, Sarah is a highly trained antisocial recluse who's great with a sniper rifle but not so skilled at the nuances of human emotion.
The failed TV show had some good moments but also never could quite figure-out what to do with the Sarah Conner character either. A heroic death would be my suggestion.
I never really got into SCC, but this is one of the best scenes I've ever watched in a TV show
Fantastic, Matt Smith will be in there. Doctor Who vs The Terminator!
Shame they cancelled that show. It started out weak but got very good by the second season.
Quote from: Silent Disapproval Robot on October 31, 2014, 05:47:39 PM
Shame they cancelled that show. It started out weak but got very good by the second season.
I agree. I mentioned in another thread that I was quite interested in where the writers were going with Shirley Manson's character, the T-1000 passing as 'Catherine Weaver', and her apparent schism with Skynet.
I think she was going to go back in time to the mid-90s and form a mediocre alterna-chick band.
Ha!
I liked her band, Garbage, and IIRC she was the only girl in it. Also, I'd be more apt to consider them 'power pop' with a little New Wave and grunge thrown in rather than applying the tepid and unspecific term 'alternative' to describe them. Kind of an Earlier Blondie for the 90's as it were.
Garbage was a great band! With Butch Vig on drums IIRC.
I also enjoyed the Sarah Connor Chronicles but I agree that it felt as if the writers really didn't know where to take the story.
back in the day this was a floor filler and usually a jump off point to much harder music.
Quote from: mirth on October 31, 2014, 11:53:57 AM
Just when you thought this franchise couldn't be beaten down any further
http://io9.com/terminator-genisys-insane-plot-reveal-is-a-total-nightm-1652315938
QuoteSarah Connor isn't the innocent she was when Linda Hamilton first sported feathered hair and acid-washed jeans in the role. Nor is she Hamilton's steely zero body-fat warrior in 1991's T2. Rather, the mother of humanity's messiah was orphaned by a Terminator at age 9. Since then, she's been raised by (brace yourself) Schwarzenegger's Terminator—an older T-800 she calls "Pops"—who is programmed to guard rather than to kill. As a result, Sarah is a highly trained antisocial recluse who's great with a sniper rifle but not so skilled at the nuances of human emotion.
No. Just no. :idiot2:
Quote from: Gusington on October 31, 2014, 09:16:34 PM
Garbage was a great band! With Butch Vig on drums IIRC.
Seconded! Garbage was one of my favorite bands from the 90's.
Shudder. Can't see her without unseeing her brother. That particular video makes me feel like I have cataracts, too.
Still always liked her music. Her video for
The World Is Not Enough was practically her audition for a role as a Terminator though it took, what, ten years longer? 8)
Well if you're excited to see a rehash of all the scenes you enjoyed in T1 and T2, this movie might be for you
Or maybe you could just watch T1 and T2.
And holy f*ck! I'm so sick of hearing "we can stop Judgement Day!" The Connor's need to get it through their heads that no matter how many Kyle Reeses or Terminators they send back through time, they ain't stopping goddamned Judgment Day.
It's apparently a total reboot (abandoning the "Salvation" quasi-reboot storyline), so there's no reason they can't hope to stop JD.
There is/was going to be a TV series tie-in to the new film.
http://deadline.com/2013/12/terminator-tv-series-movie-connection-648243/ (http://deadline.com/2013/12/terminator-tv-series-movie-connection-648243/)
Why wasn't Arnold yelling "Get to ze another choppa!" as he was diving at it? Worst writing ever!
Cracked had a recent write up on why the new film is going to suck.
http://www.cracked.com/quick-fixes/4-signs-new-terminator-movie-doomed/ (http://www.cracked.com/quick-fixes/4-signs-new-terminator-movie-doomed/)
That Cracked article pretty much nails it.
Here's a review-
https://www.yahoo.com/movies/s/film-review-terminator-genisys-150025251.html
About what I expected. I'll watch it online sometime.
Still sounds fun, but I enjoyed 3 and... um... S4lv4tion or whatever. Despite the unexplained continuity plonks of the latter giving me a headache. At least this film seems ready to use time travel shennanigans to explain continuity shakeups.
Ugh, T3 was the worst of the lot imho. Salvation at least had a scene or two with Michael Ironside, who still comes across as a total badass.
I think Genisys will be okay but leave me feeling disappointed with it's complete unnecessity. That's how most of the current crop rebooted sequels have left me feeling - Star Trek Into Darkness, Godzilla, Jurassic World - not terrible genre movies, but they feel pointless and unneeded.
I wouldn't call "Godzilla" pointless and unneeded in principle; but I sure do agree it was a big disappointment. :(
I'll be very curious next year (or late this year?) to see what Toho does with their own reboot of the property. Their black and white poster of the underside of his foot makes me irrationally excited (since I know a poster no matter how clever and well done means NOTHING about the quality of the movie. Even so... :smitten: :smitten: :smitten:)
Quote from: mirth on June 24, 2015, 12:31:17 PM
Ugh, T3 was the worst of the lot imho. Salvation at least had a scene or two with Michael Ironside, who still comes across as a total badass.
I think Genisys will be okay but leave me feeling disappointed with it's complete unnecessity. That's how most of the current crop rebooted sequels have left me feeling - Star Trek Into Darkness, Godzilla, Jurassic World - not terrible genre movies, but they feel pointless and unneeded.
Jurassic worlds billion dollars in 13 days says you lose!
Especially since $10 of it was from me :P
And just wait! They're going to make TWO MORE Terminator films! Genesys is apparently the first of a planned trilogy. :crazy2:
So was Salvation. In fact McG was originally wanting to re-release a director's cut sometime after the first Blu edition. We live in an alternate timeline where none of that happened. ;)
Quote from: Banzai_Cat on June 25, 2015, 02:46:02 PM
And just wait! They're going to make TWO MORE Terminator films! Genesys is apparently the first of a planned trilogy. :crazy2:
Arnie was on Stern earlier this week and he said no to count the chickens before they hatch. Yes, a trilogy could happen- but only if Genisys makes money/
This wasn't terrible. Best one since T2. Call it 7/10.
Quote from: mirth on July 03, 2015, 08:16:32 PM
This wasn't terrible. Best one since T2. Call it 7/10.
Good. I pre-bought a ticket for Sunday morning. Going to see Spy before it. Haven't done two movies in a row in a long time.
It was far better than I expected. Arnie was great. So was Jason Clarke. Worth seeing.
I'll revise my score to 8/10. It was very satisfying.
Good to know. Thanks Mirth.
More importantly, how'd Emilia Clarke's dragon bewbies look?
Just got home from watching this. I dunno. I'd give it a 6/10, maybe 7/10, but that's pushing it. It was kind of lame overall. And I actually kind of liked Terminator: Salvation. T3 also had its moments, too. This one, not so much. The plot was harebrained and convoluted and made very little sense. It was like they were trying to pull off a Star Trek Reboot-esque thing with differing timelines but they failed epically. I almost fell asleep twice, too.
Jason Clarke was a lame Terminator. He looks like a Jehovah's Witness, not a killing machine. They could have gone with someone with at least some kind of hint of threat, like Brett Dalton (Ward from Agents of SHIELD), or maybe Barney the Dinosaur. I kept thinking he was going to talk and CGI everyone to death and ask anyone if they wanted salvation from the Lord.
Schwarzenegger is pushing it as an action hero, but he still has a presence on the screen unlike any of his co-stars, whom all seem to be weak struts supporting the otherwise massive legacy that Ah-nold had created.
I didn't like at all that they re-shot the observatory scene (with the naked Terminator demanding clothes of a punk-rock Bill Paxton). They could have easily just used that original one and used CGI on body actors to portray those dudes - that would have been some serious homage to the original, instead of using a bunch of douchenozzles that were some of the worst actors I've seen - it was like a high school play rendition of The Terminator. That made what follow - the fight between the old and young Terminators - kinda meh.
They did try to explain how this was a different set of events, in that Sarah Connor and the Terminator were waiting for Reese (just ain't the same without Biehn playing him), but it just didn't make sense. Once the Arnold Terminator went back in time, you'd think everything would have changed, but the whole plot was so insanely Machiavellian that I don't think the time stream even knew what direction it was going in and it kind of farted out a shit-smell of a plot to distract everyone from the fact that none of it made sense.
Speaking of Biehn, it would have been really nice if they had figured out a way of bringing him into this. If they're going to play fast and loose with timelines, I mean, what the hell, why not? Linda Hamilton would have been awesome, too. Or even Joe Norton instead of the two Ambiguous Boss Man 1 and 2 characters. Norton would have made a HUGE impression there as a tie-in to T2. Instead we get a couple of cardboard cut-outs.
And it would have made much more sense to bring in Earl Boen (Dr. Hamilton, from both T1 and T2) instead of J.K. Simmons. Tying him in as the cop from the department store scene was ham-fisted and just dumb. At least when they had Boen's character in T2 it had a tie-in with T1. Having him in this would have lended much more credibility. Instead, we have this mess.
If you liked it, great. It wasn't my cup of tea. I wasn't impressed once during the entire run of the film, and in fact, I think the trailers captured pretty much everything interesting about the movie - WHICH I HATE. I can't stand when movies do that. So very disappointing. It would have been better if they'd just been more convoluted in the trailers and had word of mouth talking about the 'twist' with John Connor. Excuse me, Brother Connor looking to spread the ideals of The Watch Tower Society.
And at the end - you'd think he would have made himself look young again. If you've seen it, you know what I'm meaning. Or they could have had some fun with it.
Overall it just tried to take itself way too seriously and paid only cursory lip service to the previous films. It didn't feel right once.
Bleh.
6/10, tops. More like 5/10, the more I think about it. Enrages me to think of what potential this had, but they just blew all to hell.
Harsh. I took it as summer fun. I thought Salvation was alright. T3 was a horrid mess though imho.
I agree about Reese. Biehn owns the part to this day. Jai Courtney was a non-entity and the total lack of chemistry between him and Emilia Clarke made it seem silly that they would ever hook up.
I didn't mind the reshot scene from 84. I didn't need to see an exact replication with the original actors.
I liked having J.K. Simmons around (he's one of my favorite character actors), but I agree there wasn't much point to his role. It felt more like someone said, "Hey, let's put J.K. Simmons in this thing".
I went in with very low expectations for this movie and in the end it just felt like a decent, fun summer film. I thought Arnie brought the right amount of humor to the part and it was nice to have him in the role one more time.
After so many dogs and disappointments over the past few years (Prometheus, all those horrid Transformer movies, Godzilla, Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, Jurassic World, I could go on) this felt fun and enjoyable. Was it perfect, was it great? No, but it fit the bill.
Just because I didn't like it, doesn't mean nobody else did. O0
Quote from: Banzai_Cat on July 05, 2015, 05:21:34 PM
Just because I didn't like it, doesn't mean nobody else did. O0
Your points were valid. Honestly, I'm surprised I enjoyed it as much as I did. 8 months ago when I saw that first trailer, I figured I completely despise it.
I had high hopes for this. Arnold's not getting any younger and time and again they screw it all up.
I understand too that possibly they DID go seeking those other actors, but could not either because they weren't available or just were not interested. I have no idea if that's the case or if they just chose to be dullards about it.
I'm so tired of 'meh' in the movies. Nothing seems to have an edge or a challenge anymore.
This is the first 'old Arnold' movie I've enjoyed. Everything else he's done since being Governator has been dreadful. Makes me somewhat hopeful for the new Conan movie.
It would have cool to have Michael Biehn back, but I was never a huge Linda Hamilton fan anyway. I thought Emilia Clarke did a decent enough job in the role. I liked how they brought in Danny Dyson as a touch point from T2.
I recently re-watched T2 and as awesome as it was, Eddie Furlong wasn't all that great in retrospect and there's plenty of dumb things in that movie as well. The first one was pretty decent sci-fi with some horror elements, the rest have been closer to fantasy.
I dunno, my standards and expectations have been probably been dulled by the seemingly unending stream of crap Hollywood has generated in the past 5 years. I don't think it's a great sign that the Marvel movies are the new gold standard. Fun films, but hardly groundbreaking.
Quote from: mirth on July 05, 2015, 06:54:25 PM
This is the first 'old Arnold' movie I've enjoyed. Everything else he's done since being Governator has been dreadful. Makes me somewhat hopeful for the new Conan movie.
I dunno, his cameos in
The Expendables were pretty good. Then again he wasn't headlining any of those movies.
The Last Stand wasn't too bad. Not brilliant by any stretch of the imagination, but I'd watch it again.
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It would have cool to have Michael Biehn back, but I was never a huge Linda Hamilton fan anyway. I thought Emilia Clarke did a decent enough job in the role. I liked how they brought in Danny Dyson as a touch point from T2.
I must have missed that. Was he one of the boss dudes? If he was in the movie, he must have only had a two-second cameo. Unless I fell asleep at that point.
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I recently re-watched T2 and as awesome as it was, Eddie Furlong wasn't all that great in retrospect and there's plenty of dumb things in that movie as well. The first one was pretty decent sci-fi with some horror elements, the rest have been closer to fantasy.
Furlong is just a trainwreck of a human being. I never liked him much as an actor. He's a good example of burning fast and hot and then disappearing to the B- and C-movie cellars. Still, some actors would kill to have that kind of experience.
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I dunno, my standards and expectations have been probably been dulled by the seemingly unending stream of crap Hollywood has generated in the past 5 years. I don't think it's a great sign that the Marvel movies are the new gold standard. Fun films, but hardly groundbreaking.
Mine, I suppose, remain high. I still unfortunately extrapolate classic movie times from earlier in my life and expect to be wowed in that regard these days, and outside of Marvel, that's not happened much. Even inside of Marvel, it's been a rare thing, but I will re-watch just about any of those movies. Almost any of them.
It's pretty sad - Hollywood continues to make crap, it hits the box office and makes hundreds of millions, so they continue to make crap even if the majority of people report it as such. Movies like Jurassic World make huge bank because people remember how good Jurassic Park was and want to recapture that experience. So they ALL go, and it makes it look like a blockbuster when in fact it's about as entertaining as Clive Cussler's Raise the Titanic.
Terminator Genisys is like most movies I see. I REALLY wanted to like it and REALLY wanted to have a good time with it, but it just felt like the producers and directors and actors were phoning all of it in. "Hey, it's got "Terminator" in the title - the muppets out there will eat it up! We're gonna be rich!"
saw it today and I'd give it a 7/8ish out of 10.
pretty much my biggest disappointment was Matt Smiths character. I would have like to see more of him.
Quote from: GDS_Starfury on July 05, 2015, 07:05:48 PM
saw it today and I'd give it a 7/8ish out of 10.
pretty much my biggest disappointment was Matt Smiths character. I would have like to see more of him.
Agreed about Matt Smith. He's another one they seemed to shove into the movie without much purpose or screen time.
I looked at it as a time traveling joke of sorts.
This is kinda interesting. MAJOR SPOILERS (if anyone cares)
http://screenrant.com/terminator-genisys-mid-credits-scene-explained-time-travel/
Hahahahaha, Jesus. I'm glad I'm not the only one.
Yes, yes, Red Letter, that's all very funny, but when are you going to critically shred a film series again as Mr. Plinkett? :crazy2: :tickedoff:
Mr. Plinkett is probably in prison :P
Why Ahnold will be back
http://www.forbes.com/sites/scottmendelson/2015/08/24/so-i-guess-terminator-genisys-isnt-a-flop-anymore
Why Ahnold probably won't be back
http://variety.com/2016/film/news/terminator-sequel-baywatch-release-date-1201684380/
And the world collectively breathed a cautious sigh of relief.
Somebody, somewhere in Los Angeles, is right now contemplating a Terminator reboot/remake/respawn.
Quote from: Banzai_Cat on January 21, 2016, 07:13:18 PM
Somebody, somewhere in Los Angeles, is right now contemplating a Terminator reboot/remake/respawn.
And we should send Arnold back in time to kill them.
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