GrogHeads Forum

IRL (In Real Life) => Current Events => Topic started by: Barthheart on November 12, 2014, 08:37:09 AM

Title: Live landing on a comet!
Post by: Barthheart on November 12, 2014, 08:37:09 AM
Watch it here:

http://new.livestream.com/esa/cometlanding

:D
Title: Re: Live landing on a comet!
Post by: LongBlade on November 12, 2014, 08:57:00 AM
11 AM Eastern is the ETA.
Title: Re: Live landing on a comet!
Post by: Barthheart on November 12, 2014, 09:47:34 AM
QuoteFirst image returned from the Philae lander from 511 million km away, showing the Rosetta orbiter just after separation!

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B2P0ahhCUAAQrda.jpg)

https://twitter.com/ESA_Rosetta/status/532537918557265921
Title: Re: Live landing on a comet!
Post by: Barthheart on November 12, 2014, 10:04:10 AM
QuoteFarewell, Philae! Rosetta's OSIRIS camera sees the lander shortly after separation.

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpa1/t31.0-8/1962478_10152374036455667_5916851070977435472_o.jpg)
Title: Re: Live landing on a comet!
Post by: bayonetbrant on November 12, 2014, 11:12:16 AM
just got connected to webcast after meeting - did I miss the landing or did it tank?
Title: Re: Live landing on a comet!
Post by: Barthheart on November 12, 2014, 11:12:46 AM
Confirmation of contact with the comet at 1609 GMT. Harpoon fired and retracted to haul lander to surface.

No bad for a journey that started 10 years ago!  O0
Title: Re: Live landing on a comet!
Post by: bayonetbrant on November 12, 2014, 11:20:47 AM
Quote from: Barthheart on November 12, 2014, 11:12:46 AMNo bad for a journey that started 10 years ago!  O0

So, Tent-boy was what, 9?  Gus was still in High School...
Title: Re: Live landing on a comet!
Post by: mirth on November 12, 2014, 11:38:43 AM
Quote from: bayonetbrant on November 12, 2014, 11:20:47 AM
Quote from: Barthheart on November 12, 2014, 11:12:46 AMNo bad for a journey that started 10 years ago!  O0

So, Tent-boy was what, 9?  Gus was still in High School...

Star had yet to experience strippers who crash cars into houses...
Title: Re: Live landing on a comet!
Post by: JasonPratt on November 12, 2014, 12:20:21 PM
1.) Were there any electrical discharges on final approach like last time?

2.) Any indication yet whether this one is an actual dirty snowball instead of basically an asteroid?

There are some interesting scientific paradigm questions being thrown around recently about how comets actually operate.
Title: Re: Live landing on a comet!
Post by: Barthheart on November 12, 2014, 12:47:04 PM
Very cool graphic of the trip to the comet.....

http://sci.esa.int/where_is_rosetta/

Title: Re: Live landing on a comet!
Post by: mirth on November 12, 2014, 01:00:23 PM
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2014/11/12/science/space/rosetta-philae-comet-landing.html
Title: Re: Live landing on a comet!
Post by: bayonetbrant on November 12, 2014, 02:34:40 PM
Today's new Google Doodle is pretty good, too :)
Title: Re: Live landing on a comet!
Post by: bayonetbrant on November 12, 2014, 08:52:53 PM
(https://scontent-b-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/p720x720/10565036_10154866901275078_9042579562544112944_n.png?oh=57b63a82b0c8a825f838a1e47cb62654&oe=54E38D73)
Title: Re: Live landing on a comet!
Post by: Gusington on November 12, 2014, 09:19:05 PM
This is very cool - but I am a little set back that it was the Germans who pulled it off :/
Title: Re: Live landing on a comet!
Post by: GDS_Starfury on November 12, 2014, 09:21:43 PM
go play:

http://www.purdue.edu/impactearth/
Title: Re: Live landing on a comet!
Post by: mirth on November 12, 2014, 09:24:14 PM
Quote from: Gusington on November 12, 2014, 09:19:05 PM
This is very cool - but I am a little set back that it was the Germans who pulled it off :/

Better this than invading the Low Countries
Title: Re: Live landing on a comet!
Post by: mirth on November 12, 2014, 09:28:50 PM
Quote from: GDS_Starfury on November 12, 2014, 09:21:43 PM
go play:

http://www.purdue.edu/impactearth/ (http://www.purdue.edu/impactearth/)

No data on Liv Tyler and animal crackers?
Title: Re: Live landing on a comet!
Post by: GDS_Starfury on November 12, 2014, 09:30:25 PM
believe me.
if you landed on Liv Tyler the world has truly ended.
Title: Re: Live landing on a comet!
Post by: mirth on November 12, 2014, 09:33:33 PM
Quote from: GDS_Starfury on November 12, 2014, 09:30:25 PM
believe me.
if you landed on Liv Tyler the world has truly ended.

I'd accept that end.
Title: Re: Live landing on a comet!
Post by: Gusington on November 12, 2014, 09:35:17 PM
What if mirth took the Low Countries and then Liv? Or Lvov?
Title: Re: Live landing on a comet!
Post by: mirth on November 12, 2014, 09:37:31 PM
I'd go for an anschluss with Liv.
Title: Re: Live landing on a comet!
Post by: GDS_Starfury on November 12, 2014, 09:37:56 PM
I dont think his gf would like that very much.
Title: Re: Live landing on a comet!
Post by: Staggerwing on November 12, 2014, 09:46:22 PM
Quote from: mirth on November 12, 2014, 09:24:14 PM
Quote from: Gusington on November 12, 2014, 09:19:05 PM
This is very cool - but I am a little set back that it was the Germans who pulled it off :/

Better this than invading the Low Countries

If the Germans tried to invade again this time they would march into the Red Light District and never be seen again.
Title: Re: Live landing on a comet!
Post by: GDS_Starfury on November 12, 2014, 09:52:39 PM
the rules there have had a drastic overhaul.

so Ive heard.   ::)
Title: Re: Live landing on a comet!
Post by: MikeGER on November 13, 2014, 04:11:13 AM
Quote from: Gusington on November 12, 2014, 09:19:05 PM
This is very cool - but I am a little set back that it was the Germans who pulled it off :/

a lot of other European nations had there contribution too, its amazing that it worked (more or less) nevertheless ;-) 

its amazing! that's not X-Rebirth , Elite Dangerous or Kerbal  ...we all witnessed the real deal  8)

race to an object that is 28 light minutes away, not just hit it, but gentle approaching it in a way to swing into an orbit where nucleus gravity let a 100kg object on Earth feels a gravity pull of just 1 Gramm... and then ballistic drop a 'bomb' probe on that irregular rubberduck shaped rotating object of 4x2x2 km with precision to place a hit into a 400m circle. 8)   

unfortunately the lander is not anchored
well, it still feels a gravitational pull of 1gramm , so i think it will stay or gently retouch if it had re-bounced somehow
and was floating

analzing the last press infos that got public available between the lines, i guesstimate it landed in 'a powder snow'-like soft material and is partially submerged ...the harpoons either didn't got triggered (to smooth impact) or fired into powder

consider the whole commet has a density of 0.4 g/cm^3   ...and the landing spot was selected to be smooth surface as far as the pictures allowed an estimate.

yesterday eve the LOS between Rosseta and the lander was interuppted while Rosetta orbit takes it to the other side of the commet. we will have new data packages now while Rosseta has rizen above the lander side again         
Title: Re: Live landing on a comet!
Post by: bayonetbrant on November 13, 2014, 06:01:10 AM
XKCD has a hilarious animated version of the live landing

(https://www.grogheads.com/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.kinja-img.com%2Fgawker-media%2Fimage%2Fupload%2Fs--jmpVidHo--%2Fkdtxdsj0sfwt5tkpzjty.gif&hash=3c44587118874f72dc78e851be3486e603080de9)
Title: Re: Live landing on a comet!
Post by: Staggerwing on November 13, 2014, 06:06:56 AM
That is great!
Title: Re: Live landing on a comet!
Post by: MetalDog on November 13, 2014, 07:05:53 AM
I especially liked that they thought to include whales in the whole thing.
Title: Re: Live landing on a comet!
Post by: Staggerwing on November 13, 2014, 07:15:21 AM
^That made me think of the poor falling whale in Hitchhiker's Guide to the Universe.
Title: Re: Live landing on a comet!
Post by: MetalDog on November 13, 2014, 07:25:49 AM
My thought exactly.  They included fish an dolphins, too.  Sounds like someone knew what they were doing ;)
Title: Re: Live landing on a comet!
Post by: MikeGER on November 13, 2014, 07:30:28 AM
leaked pictures of the decent 
(https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5609/15589900568_d6c13841a7_o.png)

and after two little jumps ....sitting on the surface

(https://www.grogheads.com/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.esa.int%2Fvar%2Fesa%2Fstorage%2Fimages%2Fesa_multimedia%2Fimages%2F2014%2F11%2Fwelcome_to_a_comet%2F15048351-1-eng-GB%2FWelcome_to_a_comet.jpg&hash=982ff3ba74bc332bb99ec9f08adba85b8d9dd525)
Title: Re: Live landing on a comet!
Post by: LongBlade on November 13, 2014, 09:02:48 AM
A stunning achievement.

Well done, Europe!
Title: Re: Live landing on a comet!
Post by: JasonPratt on November 13, 2014, 09:31:56 AM
Scientists: [Wine] Hangovers  O0
Title: Re: Live landing on a comet!
Post by: GDS_Starfury on November 13, 2014, 11:40:24 AM
(https://www.grogheads.com/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nerdist.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2014%2F11%2F111214_67PSize_BorgCube.jpg&hash=06b0c7562e40dc9019bee6d864fed4b6efeb80be)

(https://www.grogheads.com/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nerdist.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2014%2F11%2F111214_67PSize_SpaceWorm.jpg&hash=06fe1e898125ca1b5c0499839530d829bd1286e1)

(https://www.grogheads.com/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nerdist.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2014%2F11%2F111214_67PSize_Monster.jpg&hash=2182c56ce861b9108bec18f571887a5a7981f965)
Title: Re: Live landing on a comet!
Post by: BanzaiCat on November 13, 2014, 11:44:39 AM
^ Pretty cool, Star.
Title: Re: Live landing on a comet!
Post by: GDS_Starfury on November 13, 2014, 11:49:10 AM
that middle picture gave me an idea for a Halloween costume.   ^-^
Title: Re: Live landing on a comet!
Post by: Centurion40 on November 13, 2014, 12:54:14 PM
Quote from: GDS_Starfury on November 13, 2014, 11:49:10 AM
that middle picture gave me an idea for a Halloween costume.   ^-^

::)
Title: Re: Live landing on a comet!
Post by: GDS_Starfury on November 13, 2014, 01:00:04 PM
ya.... you see it in your minds eye.   >:D
Title: Re: Live landing on a comet!
Post by: JasonPratt on November 13, 2014, 01:14:43 PM
What I see is Sluggo or Slusho or whatever the Cloverfield monster was, being taller than Godzilla (if ever standing straight up), and THIS IS SOMETHING I CANNOT ACCEPT, THAT IS NOT REAL!!

:tickedoff:

Doesn't matter. Godzilla would murder that wretched whiny sea-bat creature anyway.
Title: Re: Live landing on a comet!
Post by: LongBlade on November 13, 2014, 01:25:29 PM
Quote from: GDS_Starfury on November 13, 2014, 11:49:10 AM
that middle picture gave me an idea for a Halloween costume.   ^-^

The old "hole in the popcorn box at the movies" trick?
Title: Re: Live landing on a comet!
Post by: bayonetbrant on November 13, 2014, 01:27:39 PM
Quote from: LongBlade on November 13, 2014, 01:25:29 PM
Quote from: GDS_Starfury on November 13, 2014, 11:49:10 AM
that middle picture gave me an idea for a Halloween costume.   ^-^

The old "hole in the popcorn box at the movies" trick?

(https://www.grogheads.com/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.eonline.com%2Feol_images%2FArticles%2F20070817%2F425.timberlake.samberg.081707jpg.jpg&hash=14bb900120d509759352eeac38aec2dd0a86ca59)
Title: Re: Live landing on a comet!
Post by: Gusington on November 13, 2014, 09:09:30 PM
^"Star and Mirth - Thursday"?
Title: Re: Live landing on a comet!
Post by: mirth on November 13, 2014, 09:17:46 PM
I have to remember this is supposed to be a PG-13 environment.
Title: Re: Live landing on a comet!
Post by: Rekim on August 03, 2015, 11:36:58 AM
(https://www.grogheads.com/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.dailymail.co.uk%2Fi%2Fgif%2F2015%2F07%2Frosetta-land.gif&hash=d1136358a38c78beabcf8cc038e66143a47f94cf)

new images taken during the landers descent were recently released. Some taken from a distance of 9m!

fantastic news to hear that Philae recently woke up and phoned home. Sounds like there is hope the charge will continue to improve as the comet approaches the sun.

http://www.esa.int/Our_Activities/Space_Science/Rosetta/Highlights/Landing_on_a_comet
Title: Re: Live landing on a comet!
Post by: LongBlade on August 03, 2015, 12:55:32 PM
I'm thrilled it woke up. Much to learn there!
Title: Re: Live landing on a comet!
Post by: JasonPratt on August 03, 2015, 02:12:25 PM
First being, is it really a dirty snowball? Or more of an asteroidish composition?
Title: Re: Live landing on a comet!
Post by: Nefaro on August 03, 2015, 06:30:17 PM
Quote from: JasonPratt on August 03, 2015, 02:12:25 PM
First being, is it really a dirty snowball? Or more of an asteroidish composition?

Dusty rock ball methinks.

Title: Re: Live landing on a comet!
Post by: JasonPratt on August 04, 2015, 08:22:32 AM
Even a dusty rockball would change theories of how the tail is generated.

In a possibly trivial aside, I didn't notice any talk about eruptions creating a tail during the approach. (Though we've been through this already with the prior comet that we sent an impact probe to -- not a landing per se of course, but still an impact. Basically the comet was an asteroid in composition.)
Title: Re: Live landing on a comet!
Post by: Nefaro on August 06, 2015, 10:36:42 AM
Besides the ice dust, there is water and gases trapped in the rock IIRC.  So when it heats up, the various frozen liquids expand and evaporate into gas, shooting out.  That's where the tail comes from.  But there's generally still a fair amount of rock & dust in many of them, from what I've read.

It's also one of the popular theories proclaiming the Tunguska event to be caused by a small comet.  Air bursting over Siberia after it's icy gases were heated so quickly upon passing through the atmosphere that it exploded like a huge dry ice bomb in a plastic bottle.  8)

I've seen estimates of early comets, from shortly after the planets formed, containing something like  ~10% water.  So I get the impression that the gas and liquid stuff still don't make up the majority of many comets.. just notably higher than asteroids.   I'm sure there's a fair bit of variance, especially between comets from the Kuiper Belt or the rarer slowbies from the Oort cloud.
Title: Re: Live landing on a comet!
Post by: LongBlade on August 06, 2015, 11:54:44 AM
Until we start the LB Asteroid Mining Corporation we'll never know for sure.
Title: Re: Live landing on a comet!
Post by: Nefaro on August 06, 2015, 12:02:31 PM
Quote from: LongBlade on August 06, 2015, 11:54:44 AM
Until we start the LB Asteroid Mining Corporation we'll never know for sure.

Is that where the Grogfort will then be located?  Asteroid LB0269?
Title: Re: Live landing on a comet!
Post by: LongBlade on August 06, 2015, 12:03:36 PM
Quote from: Nefaro on August 06, 2015, 12:02:31 PM
Quote from: LongBlade on August 06, 2015, 11:54:44 AM
Until we start the LB Asteroid Mining Corporation we'll never know for sure.

Is that where the Grogfort will then be located?

Summer camp.

For those of us on the orbital platform.

The rest of you guys can stay at Star's house when you visit South Beach.
Title: Re: Live landing on a comet!
Post by: Nefaro on August 06, 2015, 12:04:45 PM
Quote from: LongBlade on August 06, 2015, 12:03:36 PM

The rest of you guys can stay at Star's house when you visit South Beach.

Will bring steel chastity belt and pepper spray.
Title: Re: Live landing on a comet!
Post by: LongBlade on August 06, 2015, 12:09:27 PM
Quote from: Nefaro on August 06, 2015, 12:04:45 PM
Quote from: LongBlade on August 06, 2015, 12:03:36 PM

The rest of you guys can stay at Star's house when you visit South Beach.

Will bring steel chastity belt and pepper spray.

Star is an expert locksmith and has an Israeli issued gas mask.

Don't say I didn't warn you.
Title: Re: Live landing on a comet!
Post by: bayonetbrant on August 08, 2015, 07:03:27 AM
Quote from: LongBlade on August 06, 2015, 12:09:27 PMStar is an expert locksmith and has an Israeli issued gas mask.

we'll defer to your first-hand expertise on this one