Combat Mission: Red Thunder v1.01 patch (PC/Mac)
CM: Red Thunder - News
Thursday, 13 November 2014
The long awaited v1.01 patch for Combat Mission: Red Thunder is here! It provides a number of important improvements and fixes, including improved stability of internet play, improved building entry for some systems, a mouse text targeting feature indicating range, improved TacAI logic, and much more.
The v1.01 patch is available for PC and Mac.
CMRT v1.01 WHATS NEW
Building entry no longer problematic for some systems
Infantry flamethrowers have slightly longer range
Troops spot immediately nearby mines better (esp. engineers)
Ricocheting APHE will not explode where it finally lands (the fuse is considered damaged)
Fixed a bug that sometimes caused buttoned-up tank crew to be suppressed by external explosions
Squads position their teams better along walls, fences and hedges
Artillery usually requires another spotting round or two before acquiring the target
Corrected some TacAI problems with crewmen positioning themselves around a heavy weapon
Improved TacAI logic for placing teams along walls
Improved coordination between tank hull and turret rotation
Better logic selecting the two men for scout teams
Improved long-range optics for JPz IV, Jagdpanther
Very heavily-laden soldiers cannot use Fast or sometimes even Quick moves
Mouse text for targeting: too close or out of range
Towed guns look better as vehicle turns
Improved damage modeling for external systems on tanks
Improved QuickBattle choices
Improved TCP/IP play
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Great news, I love the game. But for me it's always a time of concern....their patches always trigger as some sort of malware or virus with my Norton anti-virus and it puts them into quarantine. It can be worked around but it's a pain in the old arse.
Awesome news. I've been playing a ton of Red Thunder lately, and finally got around to upgrading Battle for Normandy / Fortress Italy to v.3.0. (Staying away from the new vehicle pack for the time being though, waiting til they resolve some of the teething pains with the new installation procedure that seems to have made everyone confused and nobody happy.)
Will definitely d/l and install later tonight --
Noted you'll have to reactivate the DRM. But with no modules, it shouldn't be too bad.
Seems to have installed correctly and no issues with activations this time.
Tried putting troops in buildings and it seems to have worked.
My application won't start after installing and I know I installed in the right directory.
I've now tried twice. The patch installation is breaking my game. Any thoughts?
Nope, but some people on the BFC forum are getting bad serial number errors on the DRM.
Shot in the dark, Jarhead, but do you have any mods installed in a Data\Z folder? Worth temporarily removing that before install if so --
No mods. At least, none that I'm aware of...
Are you sure you are pointing it at the right directory? I have two CMRT folders installed one where the game resides on an internal hard-drive and one under C:\Users\[name]\Documents\Battlefront\Combat Mission\Red Thunder\Game Files.
I had to make sure it was pointing at where the game executable was on a different drive
Thanks
Con
^Yes. I'm installing to the main directory where the executable is. Its in the program files x86 directory.
Quote from: Rayfer on November 13, 2014, 01:51:10 PM
Great news, I love the game. But for me it's always a time of concern....their patches always trigger as some sort of malware or virus with my Norton anti-virus and it puts them into quarantine. It can be worked around but it's a pain in the old arse.
Mate - Norton has been giving falsies for years. It's bloody good at keeping things out -
because it keeps everything out.You seriously need to get shot of it. It's malware all on it's own.
I've had Microsoft Security Essentials, Windows Firewall, disabled UAC on Windows (pita) and the free edition of Malwarebytes for several years now and I have not had one single virus. I have had a couple of low level malware instances...but several years and nothing drastic - and I've not had to pay for any 3rd party software OR use that nonsense Norton.
I'm not just spit balling here...Norton caused me no end of problems when I did have it (got it free with a PC years ago) and removed it - and that in itself was a task!!
Every time I see someone mention their problems with games or patches and they've got Norton - I just gotta rant.
Sorry ;)
Quote from: Jarhead0331 on November 13, 2014, 10:27:13 PM
^Yes. I'm installing to the main directory where the executable is. Its in the program files x86 directory.
What's the problem exactly, Jarhead? Is the game crashing or complaining about something through some pop up window?
I got CM:FI and CM:RT installed under Users/<User name> folder, FWIW.
In what way is it broken? What exactly is it doing or not doing? Are you getting any error messages? If so, what is the exact wording of the message?
Quote from: Elvis on November 14, 2014, 07:10:30 AM
In what way is it broken? What exactly is it doing or not doing? Are you getting any error messages? If so, what is the exact wording of the message?
Yes. I am getting an error message when I run the exe. The error message is pretty ambiguous. I will have to run it again to see exactly what it says. I'll post that info. In a few minutes.
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Jar, any chance that you use Webroot? Here is a link to our Knowledgebase article about that error code:
http://battlefront.mojohelpdesk.com/help/article/127869
Quote from: Elvis on November 14, 2014, 09:08:47 AM
Jar, any chance that you use Webroot? Here is a link to our Knowledgebase article about that error code:
http://battlefront.mojohelpdesk.com/help/article/127869
I do have webroot. However, the problem did not start until I applied the patch. I can still run the unpatched version fine. Any ETA on a fix?
By playing with the webroot options, I see it is the Realtime Shield that causes the error. I can leave firewall and web shield protection on. Not sure how risky it is to turn off the Realtime Shield.
Quote from: Jarhead0331 on November 14, 2014, 09:18:03 AM
Quote from: Elvis on November 14, 2014, 09:08:47 AM
Jar, any chance that you use Webroot? Here is a link to our Knowledgebase article about that error code:
http://battlefront.mojohelpdesk.com/help/article/127869
I do have webroot. However, the problem did not start until I applied the patch. I can still run the unpatched version fine. Any ETA on a fix?
It's unlikely a fix will come from us. Dropping a note to Webroot wouldn't hurt. We've already contacted them.
This is when the DRM is BS.. when you're doing crap on the system, that ticks off AV.. the usual "Turn off the AV" or "don't use that AV", is kind of BS.. The AV is there to protect us, and if the DRM is crossing the line to set it off, then it is too much and should be backed off. And saying it's not BF's fault is BS as well.. if you're gonna do this crap, at least get approval from all the AV companies.. and if you can't.. then don't go in that direction with your frigging DRM!!!!
Go to frigging Steam, make all our lives easier!
Quote from: JudgeDredd on November 14, 2014, 01:25:20 AM
Mate - Norton has been giving falsies for years. It's bloody good at keeping things out - because it keeps everything out.
You seriously need to get shot of it. It's malware all on it's own.
I've had Microsoft Security Essentials, Windows Firewall, disabled UAC on Windows (pita) and the free edition of Malwarebytes for several years now and I have not had one single virus. I have had a couple of low level malware instances...but several years and nothing drastic - and I've not had to pay for any 3rd party software OR use that nonsense Norton.
I'm not just spit balling here...Norton caused me no end of problems when I did have it (got it free with a PC years ago) and removed it - and that in itself was a task!!
Every time I see someone mention their problems with games or patches and they've got Norton - I just gotta rant.
Sorry ;)
I've also been recommending people ditch Norton for years, but only a small portion of them listen.
I think many are motivated to continue using it just because they paid for it, even though there are better Free AVs out there that work as well or better without so much hassle.
Quote from: Tuna on November 14, 2014, 09:49:37 AM
This is when the DRM is BS.. when you're doing crap on the system, that ticks off AV.. the usual "Turn off the AV" or "don't use that AV", is kind of BS.. The AV is there to protect us, and if the DRM is crossing the line to set it off, then it is too much and should be backed off. And saying it's not BF's fault is BS as well.. if you're gonna do this crap, at least get approval from all the AV companies.. and if you can't.. then don't go in that direction with your frigging DRM!!!!
Go to frigging Steam, make all our lives easier!
+1
Protection of your (any company) software is one thing. Giving genuine purchasers hoops to jump through is just totally unacceptable.
If a customer can't fire up your software because of the DRM you use having an issue with some security software, then it's a bad implementation of your DRM and it should be fixed/changed/ditched. Under no circumstances is it ok for a company's DRM to cause an issue with security software and for that company to turn round and say "Have a word with that company...it's not our fault".
I heard that you have contacted them also Elvis and I'm not only specifically talking about BF here either. In general, the above should not happen.
If these complaints were posted in the BF forum, I wonder how many warnings/bans would have occurred by now?
Quote from: Ubercat on November 14, 2014, 10:12:24 AM
If these complaints were posted in the BF forum, I wonder how many warnings/bans would have occurred by now?
That is why I posted the issue here. Thanks to Elvis, though, for at least pointing me in the right direction as to the cause of the issue.
Quote from: Ubercat on November 14, 2014, 10:12:24 AM
If these complaints were posted in the BF forum, I wonder how many warnings/bans would have occurred by now?
I would guess it would be the same number as Blutarsky's GPA
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Where warning and bannings come into play isn't the content of what someones says, it's how they say. Which is no different than any forum. If you make a clearly written and rational post, you will be treated in kind. Goo in guns a'blazin, you'll also be treated in kind. No different than here or anywhere else.
^Nah...you can pretty much get away with anything here. :2funny:
I always hold off on anything new from Battlefront just because of the problems that always seem to pop-up at posting. I just got Market-Garden yesterday for this very reason, and because I'm damned cheap. Is AVG still what most people use? That's what I've got but if there's something better please let me know.
You know I was going through all my Battlefront games and checking them on the BF site to make sure I had the latest versions of the ones I had and I suddenly realised I had Market Garden.
You have an illness as a wargamer when you have games you didn't know you had! :-\
Quote from: Jarhead0331 on November 14, 2014, 09:20:15 AM
By playing with the webroot options, I see it is the Realtime Shield that causes the error. I can leave firewall and web shield protection on. Not sure how risky it is to turn off the Realtime Shield.
It's probably not a major risk if you disable the real time protection if you're just playing the game. Just make sure you re-enable it before you start surfing the web, reading emails, etc.
You definitely do not want to disable your firewall ever. At least not while the machine is connected to the internet.
If you have a Router in your house than your machine is behind a Hardware Firewall.. e.g. no one can get at your machine from the outside, because your IP address is unreachable to them.
However, it does not protect you from malicious software, like sometimes you have a malicious program that will make contact from your machine to the outside (then the Firewall is compromised). That is why AV suites and Windows has Software Firewalls, so that it will 'alert' if any program tries to establish a connection to the outside without your knowledge.
Search long enough in the BFC forum and you'll see that the DRM has had issues with almost all popular AVs. I use Windows Essetials and Defender and made an exception for all BFC directories. You shouldn't have to do this, but it seems the only way to make sure you can play the game without shutting protection off.
Its very odd that it happens with some of their products and not others. I also agree it is BS to blame the AV companies. When your DRM is having issues with a half dozen or so of the most popular AVs out there, including Windows, you might have a problem with the DRM. I have no other games that have ever set off my AV...Matrix to Steam. Even Storm Eagle Studios games didn't do it.
I think t's BS not to make anti-virus software responsible for false positives.
Just Google false positives for Norton (or pretty much any AV software) and you'll get lots and lots of results. The DRM that BFC uses is not made in house. They are not the only ones using it. Love it, hate it, indifferent to it, Battlefront is far and away not the only software company that experiences this. And it isn't limited to the company that they use. Someone mentioned Steam. This is from their website:
QuoteAntivirus software reports Steam games are malicious
My antivirus or firewall software reports my new Steam purchases contains a trojan or potentially dangerous program - what is happening?
Important:
We encourage protecting your PC from viruses, spyware and other forms of malicious software. However, it is not necessary to run anti-virus and other security applications while you are engaged in playing a game on Steam.
Anti-virus applications often interfere with Steam and can cause a range of problems from connection issues to games not launching correctly. Please set your anti-virus to Game Mode or disable it before launching Steam if you are experiencing issues with your Steam games.
The Steam application or Steam game has been mistakenly identified as a virus or "trojan" by certain software as a result of the development of potentially-malicious programs which use the same filenames as valid Steam files (this is a very common practice amongst malicious software writers - many viruses already masquerade as valid operating system files).
We are working with the antivirus and firewall software vendors to ensure fewer false positives involving Steam appear in the future.
In the meantime, please review the symptoms below to determine whether or not this issue is impacting your system:
McAfee AntiVirus
McAfee AntiVirus incorrectly identifies some third party game files as malicious and will quarantine the files during the download process. This often results in the message "This game is currently unavailable" when trying to launch the game.
Unfortunately, most editions of McAfee AntiVirus have no way to exclude files from real-time scans, so the only work-around is to disable real-time scans. To do this, open McAfee and select "Virus and Spyware Protection", then select the "Real-Time Scanning" option and click the button labelled "Turn Off".
Once Real-time scanning is disabled, you can restore your game files by following the instructions to Verify Game Cache Files.
Real-time scanning can be re-enabled once you are done playing, but unfortunately this will re-quarantine the game files, requiring this process to be repeated.
ESET NOD32
NOD32 incorrectly identifies some third party game files as malicious and will quarantine the files during the download process. This often results in the message "This game is currently unavailable" when trying to launch the game.
Add your game folder to NOD32 exclusions. The default folder location for third party games is C:\Program Files\Steam\SteamApps\common. Follow the link for further instructions: How do I exclude certain files or folders from real-time scanning?
Once your folder has been added, you need to verify your GCF cache files in order for the files to re-download. Please see the Verifying GCF Cache Files article for instructions.
Norton Firewall
When using the "Friends" feature, some Norton Firewall users have reported that their firewall software reports that Steam may be malicious software attempting to access their system. This is a false positive.
Occasionally the Friends server sends your computer a message asking if you're still online - if you closed Steam (especially if you killed it from the task manager), this message can be intercepted by the Norton firewall.
Since Friends sometimes uses the same port number as a known trojan horse virus, the firewall incorrectly identifies the message as being malicious - despite the fact that the traffic does not mimic a trojan in any other respect.
Kaspersky AV or Internet Security
Kaspersky AV may prevent the in-game overlay from functioning in some or all games. This may occur silently, or Kaspersky may warn you that Steam is acting as an Invader application trying to load itself in another process.
Workaround:
In your Kaspersky settings go the Threads and exclusions, Trusted Zone, and add Steam.exe as a trusted application. Make sure you check the settings to Do not restrict application activity as well as Do not scan opened files for full compatibility.
Kaspersky 7.0 users must enable the Compatibility Mode for Programs Using Self-Protection Methods option, also disable the option for Application Integrity Control.
https://support.steampowered.com/kb_article.php?ref=4361-MVDP-3638
Am I saying that I love the system used or it's the cat's pajamas? No. Just saying that they aren't alone.
One of the worst DRM of the games 'I' own.. really don't struggle with anything else except DCS, but 'they' have a Steam option..
Elvis...forgetting individual companies here and forgetting specific DRM implementations and also leaving out AV false positives...
- It's absolutely wrong that any paying customer of any company has to jump through certain hoops to get what they bought to work
- It's absolutely ridiculous that a common response to issues from companies implementing DRM is "Turn off your anti virus"
and most of all
- It's incredulous that a company can think it's ok that either of those options are "ok"
As a paying customer, I couldn't care less whether it's the AV engine at fault or the company's DRM....I bought the product and I want it to work. I should not have to put my machine in a vulnerable state to get that software to work. Nor should I jump through any other hoops to get that software to work....I bought it, it should work. I understand given the vast mix of configurations of PC's that there may be issues...but I'm speaking of DRM specific issues here.
And most definitely I should not be told by the company that "I should contact my AV supplier"...only for that AV supplier to have the perfectly reasonable response of "Contact the vendor of your software".
It's the company's DRM and it's down to THEM to sort that out...not me to be batted between both of you.If you are causing your customers aggro with your DRM implementation, then you should be doing everything you can to minimise (and with the goal of eliminating) that inconvenience.
Again, I use "you" and "them" as generalisations...I'm not in any way aiming this purely at BF (though in this thread it is about BF)
Quote from: Nefaro on November 14, 2014, 09:52:21 AM
Quote from: JudgeDredd on November 14, 2014, 01:25:20 AM
Mate - Norton has been giving falsies for years. It's bloody good at keeping things out - because it keeps everything out.
You seriously need to get shot of it. It's malware all on it's own.
I've had Microsoft Security Essentials, Windows Firewall, disabled UAC on Windows (pita) and the free edition of Malwarebytes for several years now and I have not had one single virus. I have had a couple of low level malware instances...but several years and nothing drastic - and I've not had to pay for any 3rd party software OR use that nonsense Norton.
I'm not just spit balling here...Norton caused me no end of problems when I did have it (got it free with a PC years ago) and removed it - and that in itself was a task!!
Every time I see someone mention their problems with games or patches and they've got Norton - I just gotta rant.
Sorry ;)
I've also been recommending people ditch Norton for years, but only a small portion of them listen.
I think many are motivated to continue using it just because they paid for it, even though there are better Free AVs out there that work as well or better without so much hassle.
I'll have to disagree....I have used Norton forever and never had any major problems running any game, including battlefront. Never have had a security or virus issue either. Therefore, no reason for me to change if it works for me. Everyone seems to have different experiences with security software, not one of them are perfect, whether free or paid. I have seen plenty of times when other virus software causes issues with games as well.
Just comes down to personal taste...
Quote from: Grim.Reaper on November 14, 2014, 06:57:43 PM
Quote from: Nefaro on November 14, 2014, 09:52:21 AM
Quote from: JudgeDredd on November 14, 2014, 01:25:20 AM
Mate - Norton has been giving falsies for years. It's bloody good at keeping things out - because it keeps everything out.
You seriously need to get shot of it. It's malware all on it's own.
I've had Microsoft Security Essentials, Windows Firewall, disabled UAC on Windows (pita) and the free edition of Malwarebytes for several years now and I have not had one single virus. I have had a couple of low level malware instances...but several years and nothing drastic - and I've not had to pay for any 3rd party software OR use that nonsense Norton.
I'm not just spit balling here...Norton caused me no end of problems when I did have it (got it free with a PC years ago) and removed it - and that in itself was a task!!
Every time I see someone mention their problems with games or patches and they've got Norton - I just gotta rant.
Sorry ;)
I've also been recommending people ditch Norton for years, but only a small portion of them listen.
I think many are motivated to continue using it just because they paid for it, even though there are better Free AVs out there that work as well or better without so much hassle.
I'll have to disagree....I have used Norton forever and never had any major problems running any game, including battlefront. Never have had a security or virus issue either. Therefore, no reason for me to change if it works for me. Everyone seems to have different experiences with security software, not one of them are perfect, whether free or paid. I have seen plenty of times when other virus software causes issues with games as well.
Just comes down to personal taste...
I too have never had any problems with Norton.. btw, I am not running it on my gaming PC though.. That one is just Microsoft Security Essentials.. that's the one the Combat Mission runs on.. I don't get AV issues with the lovely DRM.. I just get the hardware change issues!!! >:(
Aaaaaand a Battlefront mission derailed into DRM in one...two...three....seems about par for the course
That being said I have Norton 360 and having learned that it treats most patches (for some weird reason not all of them) from Battlefront as Heuristic viruses its easy enough to go into Norton (from the toolbar) select the quarantined download and manually select trust it and et. voila run the patch.
A bit onerous learning this but very simple implementing it with no associated problems of temp shutting firewalls etc.
Con
Quote from: Con on November 14, 2014, 07:51:46 PM
Aaaaaand a Battlefront mission derailed into DRM in one...two...three....seems about par for the course
If it's a problem, it'll raise it's head.
And it did. :P
DRM bullshit = Fail
For a niche game publisher, I find it very difficult to believe that Battlefront's chosen DRM system has done more good than harm to it's bottom line.
Quote from: Con on November 14, 2014, 07:51:46 PM
Aaaaaand a Battlefront mission derailed into DRM in one...two...three....seems about par for the course
I wonder why that always happens? ???
QuoteThat being said I have Norton 360 and having learned that it treats most patches (for some weird reason not all of them) from Battlefront as Heuristic viruses its easy enough to go into Norton (from the toolbar) select the quarantined download and manually select trust it and et. voila run the patch.
A bit onerous learning this but very simple implementing it with no associated problems of temp shutting firewalls etc.
Con
I, too, have Norton and also have to add CM2 stuff to the "leave alone" list. It was a major PitA to have to figure that out in the first place but now it's just what I expect from BF's software.
Judge, let me put it this way. And like you have, I am not speaking about BFC specifically either, if you have an anti piracy software attached to your game, or whatever software, that is designed for a computer and an end user has installed 3rd party software that doesn't play nice with it, doesn't that 3rd party software need to be responsible? I'm not saying that people shouldn't have AV software on their systems but there are so many with so many configurations that move the computer away from it's default that I don't understand how the program moving the computer from it's default setup should not be the party that figures out why the purchased products are not working as they should.
I will use BFC as an example. I use AVG. Never had a problem. Everything hunky dory. A few months ago they changed something and most of my modules were put in quarantine. Giving them exceptions took under 5 minutes for everything. But is that Battlefront's fault or AVG? AVG changed things, not BFC. Who should tell me how to get my previously fine working software running again properly? The people for whom it was working fine before or the people who changed something causing my previously fine working software to have a problem? If the software runs fine without the 3rd party software then who should tell you how to run it when the 3rd party software prevents it from running properly?
(Poorly structured sentences typed with big dopey thumbs on my dead sexy phone. But I don't feel like retyping and hope that I made some sense :) )
AV software in general looks for suspicious activity.. like trying to access your hardware and such. If your DRM is acting suspicious, then it is your DRM's fault, not the AV (3rd Party)..
Software should be an entity to itself. In other words.. should not give a crap or dig into what 'else' is going on with your computer. Especially Hardware.. when I change my hardware it is none of BF's or DCS's business!
Quote from: Tuna on November 14, 2014, 10:10:05 PM
AV software in general looks for suspicious activity.. like trying to access your hardware and such. If your DRM is acting suspicious, then it is your DRM's fault, not the AV (3rd Party)..
Software should be an entity to itself. In other words.. should not give a crap or dig into what 'else' is going on with your computer. Especially Hardware.. when I change my hardware it is none of BF's or DCS's business!
Just to play devil's advocate in this case......has it been 100% proven the DRM logic in this case is the specific code causing the alarms to trip? This is just a patch, are we sure it even has the dreaded DRM in it (I could be wrong, but I don't believe activations get used in patches)? Others haven even mentioned in this thread that other games cause the same issues with AV, which do not have this type of DRM included so the DRM is not the only reason AV chokes on some games. Using Norton as example, part of its check is the "trust" of the file based on how popular and used the files is across the world. If it gets a low trust score, it can trip the alarms and has nothing to do with the DRM.
Again, I am not a huge fan of the DRM myself, but it seems every issue that comes up, somehow the DRM must always be at fault:) And maybe it is in this case as well, but not sure that has been proven to be true without a shadow of doubt.
Well put Elvis - even with your big daft thumbs on your dead sexy phone ;)
But it is the customer who is left to be batted between company x and company y. At the very least, both company's should get their heads together and fix it for the customer. Once again - as the customer - it really shouldn't be my job to get your software working with another piece of software on my machine.
GR - I guess (and who knows) we suspected it's the DRM because, as Tuna mentioned, it's likely not the program doing anything suspicious - it's likely the DRM doing something naughty. On top of that, their DRM has been the usual suspect in previous problems.
But I suppose that's not been proven
Quote from: JudgeDredd on November 15, 2014, 02:22:24 AM
Well put Elvis - even with your big daft thumbs on your dead sexy phone ;)
But it is the customer who is left to be batted between company x and company y. At the very least, both company's should get their heads together and fix it for the customer. Once again - as the customer - it really shouldn't be my job to get your software working with another piece of software on my machine.
GR - I guess (and who knows) we suspected it's the DRM because, as Tuna mentioned, it's likely not the program doing anything suspicious - it's likely the DRM doing something naughty. On top of that, their DRM has been the usual suspect in previous problems.
But I suppose that's not been proven
Sure anything is possible, I am just saying that other games cause the same issues with AV and they don't use this DRM. I actually suspect it is something else personally, but of course I don't specifically know what:)
This has been a known issue for sometime. Whether its the DRM or something else. If its only one or two AVs had the issue, I say its the AVs. But the number of AVs that consistently have the issue and the number of complaints about it all the way back to CMSF point to thinking this is a BFC issue. I have only used Steam a couple years but have never had the issue. Every AV i have used...AVG, McAfee, Norton, MS Defender and Essentials, has quarantined BFC exe files. Nothing definitive, but sure seems to point at BFC.
Quote from: RyanE on November 15, 2014, 08:02:21 AM
This has been a known issue for sometime. Whether its the DRM or something else. If its only one or two AVs had the issue, I say its the AVs. But the number of AVs that consistently have the issue and the number of complaints about it all the way back to CMSF point to thinking this is a BFC issue. I have only used Steam a couple years but have never had the issue. Every AV i have used...AVG, McAfee, Norton, MS Defender and Essentials, has quarantined BFC exe files. Nothing definitive, but sure seems to point at BFC.
Again, I am sure some people have had issues but I would equally say other people have not had issues.....in forums, you usually read about people that have problems, not people that have success. I am in the later camp, never had an issue with Norton and BFC (nor really any other games) so it is not a global issue with everyone. And if the issue is the fact the file gets quarantined during download, then that really can't be the DRM since the program is not being executed at that time. I believe a lot of AV nowadays use risk/trust/reputation scores on files to determine if a "possible" risk to catch them before they become real problems, which causes the false positives. It is certainly possible the way BFC compiles their game for distribution lends itself to the issue or more likely the case is the company's games are so niche with a small amount of users, all these AV programs give it low risk/trust/reputation scores where they then proactively protect against it. The good thing with most AV, you can easily implement quick rules to make exceptions for these files, assuming your willing to trust them.
I have never had the installer quarantined. It has only been the exe or module file quarantined during install, first run, of update. I also think it has something to do with the OS and its configuration. Since I upgraded to 8.1 from 8.0, I haven't had the issue.
I also think you are right about the volume relative to other games. But to me, that is a developer issue. Every AV has guidelines they share about how to not trigger events. There is something in BFC's games that set those events off.
Quote from: RyanE on November 15, 2014, 08:59:48 AM
I have never had the installer quarantined. It has only been the exe or module file quarantined during install, first run, of update. I also think it has something to do with the OS and its configuration. Since I upgraded to 8.1 from 8.0, I haven't had the issue.
I also think you are right about the volume relative to other games. But to me, that is a developer issue. Every AV has guidelines they share about how to not trigger events. There is something in BFC's games that set those events off.
I could be wrong, but i don't think most games, including bfc really trigger an event to cause the quarantine, I still think it is more about how little downloaded and used this niche game files are which make them less trusted by all the av software. Plus, your more likely to get this type of issue in the early days of a release since even smaller awareness of the game. Maybe bfc and other game companies could somehow proactively register their games with all av companies to lessen that from happening, not sure if that is an option for smaller companies or not.
I play some pretty niche games. I run CMBB and CMAK with no issues. There is something in particular with BFC games. I run tiller games. I run Matrix games. I even run SES games and if anything would trigger an AV reaction its the dial home DRM of that game. None have ever had an issue. I have used at least 6 laptops in the last 5 years. I have to exclude BFC games on every single one except the win 8.1 machine. That is using AVG, McAfee (work computer) and Windows Defender. My son uses Avast and has I had the issue with CMBN on that one.
Quote from: RyanE on November 15, 2014, 09:28:26 AM
I play some pretty niche games. I run CMBB and CMAK with no issues. There is something in particular with BFC games. I run tiller games. I run Matrix games. I even run SES games and if anything would trigger an AV reaction its the dial home DRM of that game. None have ever had an issue. I have used at least 6 laptops in the last 5 years. I have to exclude BFC games on every single one except the win 8.1 machine. That is using AVG, McAfee (work computer) and Windows Defender. My son uses Avast and has I had the issue with CMBN on that one.
I guess we will have to agree to disagree since neither of us really knows what is happening behind the scenes:) Either way, only takes a couple of extra seconds to configure your AV to trust games that may by default trigger alarms but I understand not everyone can quickly do that.
Back to the game discussion...did see some folks indicating the patch may not have fully fixed the building entry issue and the developer stating it might not have been caught in all spots....
Quote from: Grim.Reaper on November 15, 2014, 09:31:52 AM
Back to the game discussion...did see some folks indicating the patch may not have fully fixed the building entry issue and the developer stating it might not have been caught in all spots....
Oh man, if that's true I know a certain programmer that will be looking for a bridge to take a leap off of. :)
Quote from: Grim.Reaper on November 15, 2014, 08:15:25 AM
Quote from: RyanE on November 15, 2014, 08:02:21 AM
This has been a known issue for sometime. Whether its the DRM or something else. If its only one or two AVs had the issue, I say its the AVs. But the number of AVs that consistently have the issue and the number of complaints about it all the way back to CMSF point to thinking this is a BFC issue. I have only used Steam a couple years but have never had the issue. Every AV i have used...AVG, McAfee, Norton, MS Defender and Essentials, has quarantined BFC exe files. Nothing definitive, but sure seems to point at BFC.
Again, I am sure some people have had issues but I would equally say other people have not had issues.....in forums, you usually read about people that have problems, not people that have success. I am in the later camp, never had an issue with Norton and BFC (nor really any other games) so it is not a global issue with everyone. And if the issue is the fact the file gets quarantined during download, then that really can't be the DRM since the program is not being executed at that time. I believe a lot of AV nowadays use risk/trust/reputation scores on files to determine if a "possible" risk to catch them before they become real problems, which causes the false positives. It is certainly possible the way BFC compiles their game for distribution lends itself to the issue or more likely the case is the company's games are so niche with a small amount of users, all these AV programs give it low risk/trust/reputation scores where they then proactively protect against it. The good thing with most AV, you can easily implement quick rules to make exceptions for these files, assuming your willing to trust them.
The thing is.. Trusting crap left and right is not a good habit to get into.. you might run into a company that you "Shouldn't have trusted"
Quote from: Tuna on November 15, 2014, 10:13:07 AM
Quote from: Grim.Reaper on November 15, 2014, 08:15:25 AM
Quote from: RyanE on November 15, 2014, 08:02:21 AM
This has been a known issue for sometime. Whether its the DRM or something else. If its only one or two AVs had the issue, I say its the AVs. But the number of AVs that consistently have the issue and the number of complaints about it all the way back to CMSF point to thinking this is a BFC issue. I have only used Steam a couple years but have never had the issue. Every AV i have used...AVG, McAfee, Norton, MS Defender and Essentials, has quarantined BFC exe files. Nothing definitive, but sure seems to point at BFC.
Again, I am sure some people have had issues but I would equally say other people have not had issues.....in forums, you usually read about people that have problems, not people that have success. I am in the later camp, never had an issue with Norton and BFC (nor really any other games) so it is not a global issue with everyone. And if the issue is the fact the file gets quarantined during download, then that really can't be the DRM since the program is not being executed at that time. I believe a lot of AV nowadays use risk/trust/reputation scores on files to determine if a "possible" risk to catch them before they become real problems, which causes the false positives. It is certainly possible the way BFC compiles their game for distribution lends itself to the issue or more likely the case is the company's games are so niche with a small amount of users, all these AV programs give it low risk/trust/reputation scores where they then proactively protect against it. The good thing with most AV, you can easily implement quick rules to make exceptions for these files, assuming your willing to trust them.
The thing is.. Trusting crap left and right is not a good habit to get into.. you might run into a company that you "Shouldn't have trusted"
That's why you have the choice to trust or not. Some layers of the security give you extra protection if you choose to take its advice.
I just opened up my AV exclusion app and BFC folders are the only ones in there. I remove anyone of them and they are immediately quarantined.
Quote from: Elvis on November 15, 2014, 09:57:32 AM
Quote from: Grim.Reaper on November 15, 2014, 09:31:52 AM
Back to the game discussion...did see some folks indicating the patch may not have fully fixed the building entry issue and the developer stating it might not have been caught in all spots....
Oh man, if that's true I know a certain programmer that will be looking for a bridge to take a leap off of. :)
Looks bfc has already figured out this issue...just will have to wait for an update.
Quote from: JudgeDredd on November 14, 2014, 11:52:52 AM
You know I was going through all my Battlefront games and checking them on the BF site to make sure I had the latest versions of the ones I had and I suddenly realised I had Market Garden.
You have an illness as a wargamer when you have games you didn't know you had! :-\
No, I've had that sort of 'senior moment' before. But when that epiphany dawns on you that you've got a new game, well 'new' to you anyway - it's like being a kid again getting a present! O0
I feel for poor old Elvis here. I've had issues in the past with Norton and BFC, but you can fiddle about with Norton to get round things. I've also had issues in the past with the BFC DRM, and I'm no fan of it. What I can say, is that whenever I've had a problem with it, Elvis has always been very quick to respond, and put a fix in. I realise that the DRM is a pain, but while BFC see it as important, it's just a fact of life if you want to play BFC games. At least Elvis is there when things go belly up.
New 1.03 patch is out, with hotfix for the annoying "26% Bug" that has been affecting lots of folks, myself included --
http://community.battlefront.com/topic/117148-combat-mission-red-thunder-v103-patch-pcmac/ (http://community.battlefront.com/topic/117148-combat-mission-red-thunder-v103-patch-pcmac/)
Quote from: sandman2575 on December 19, 2014, 01:55:51 PM
New 1.03 patch is out, with hotfix for the annoying "26% Bug" that has been affecting lots of folks, myself included --
http://community.battlefront.com/topic/117148-combat-mission-red-thunder-v103-patch-pcmac/ (http://community.battlefront.com/topic/117148-combat-mission-red-thunder-v103-patch-pcmac/)
What's the 26% bug? I play the game but don't know what this is....probably a good thing!
Quote from: Rayfer on December 19, 2014, 03:58:21 PM
Quote from: sandman2575 on December 19, 2014, 01:55:51 PM
New 1.03 patch is out, with hotfix for the annoying "26% Bug" that has been affecting lots of folks, myself included --
http://community.battlefront.com/topic/117148-combat-mission-red-thunder-v103-patch-pcmac/ (http://community.battlefront.com/topic/117148-combat-mission-red-thunder-v103-patch-pcmac/)
What's the 26% bug? I play the game but don't know what this is....probably a good thing!
Looks like game locks up at 26% loading for PBEM games...
http://community.battlefront.com/topic/116699-pbem-games-crashing-at-26/
Yep...trashed the game Doug and I were playing.
Word was this one was pretty nasty.
Pleased they sussed it out.
Best,
Jim
"Cyrano"
:/7)