you don't.
http://www.buzzfeed.com/daves4/the-universe-is-scary
You still matter to me.
awww...
I saw that a couple of days ago.
Didn't think it mattered enough to share.
I thoguht I mattered, but I thoguht wrong. I'll thoguhnk on it some more though.
That's the great thing about being a narcissist, I KNOW I matter.
no you dont.
you only exist as matter.
Po tay toe
Po tah toe
Yukon say he's a limited mind, buy yukon't say he doesn't use it!
How Cornelius of you.
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Hey, Yukon and Cornelius go together like reindeer and red noses, so, don't give me any of your assimilated crap.
you can shut your pie stuffer punner.
the deed is done.
There's only one kind of pie that I like, and my pie stuffer is not able to speak.
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"Hey baby, wanna assimilate?"
I dated that chick. She was 3 of 10.
The other nine weren't interested?
he was lucky to "self inflate" to 3.
Quote from: GDS_Starfury on November 22, 2014, 02:17:05 PM
he was lucky to "self inflate" to 3.
you're the resident expert on self-inflation.
At least I've never said no to myself.
Your hand looked at your crocs and sprained itself.
Quote from: GDS_Starfury on November 22, 2014, 04:03:20 PM
At least I've never said no to myself.
Your hand and Azz. So that's two in the plus column for you. You are a Warlock.
Its not my fault you wear crocs.
Yep, the universe is large and scary -- which people everywhere have known for all of human history (though in modern Western cultures since the 1800s we tend to be rudely reminded of it instead of remembering it all the time).
But that has not the slightest bearing on whether people 'matter' or not (whether the people are of the human species or otherwise). I don't matter less than any tree which could cripple or kill me by falling on me; I don't matter less than any cow I may be herding -- and my relative size is not why I matter more (if I do) than any cat I may be trying to herd! :))
Granted, I don't matter to the natural system, but again size has nothing to do with that: I don't matter to viruses either. Human beings are about average-sized compared to the total size of the known universe, but that has nothing to do with whether we matter or not.
It's really the other way around: the only reason the natural universe matters, it because it matters to persons.
Putting it another way, the only reason anything matters at all is because persons matter. Persons (even if they are only rudimentary persons) can value things, and that ability to value things is itself uniquely and specially valuable. It isn't something that automatic reactions and counter-reactions pingponging around would ever be able to do.
That capability to introduce actions into the system, including value judgments, has its own logical implications, about which philosophical categories are true and others false. But acknowledgment and respect for rational action, not only mine but other persons', is the only way I can consistently argue to any conclusion.
I like to put it this way: I'm a trinitarian Christian, and I remain a trinitarian Christian, because I believe atheists (and any other non-Christian or different Christian) really do personally matter, and ought to be respected, even as atheists. :)
(Though I realize there are dozens and dozens of points between accepting-you-and-I-matter-for-purposes-of-any-argument-at-all, or even establishing that's true on analysis, and trinitarian Christianity, and plenty of people opt out at different points. Even so: I still believe Christianity in honor of them as responsible persons.)
It has been theorized that, if one could travel far enough into space, one could see different universes- in the same manner that one can observe different galaxies. So our universe could be one of millions, in the same way that our galaxy is one of millions within our universe, and our solar system is one of millions within our galaxy.
seen elsewhere
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^^ :2funny:
Quote from: Centurion40 on November 25, 2014, 01:06:54 PM
It has been theorized that, if one could travel far enough into space, one could see different universes- in the same manner that one can observe different galaxies. So our universe could be one of millions, in the same way that our galaxy is one of millions within our universe, and our solar system is one of millions within our galaxy.
It would still be the same spatio-temporal universe; we'd need a new term for the galactic groupings represented by our current universal model. Maybe "Galaxy Tree" or something. (Isn't that the new hotness? The universe looks like a tree? Getting an idea of how the universe is currently shaped is tough due to temporal drift.)
Quote from: JasonPratt on November 25, 2014, 04:03:26 PM
Maybe "Galaxy Tree" or something. (Isn't that the new hotness? The universe looks like a tree?
Maybe not so new. Many older belief systems see the greater expanse of existence in the form of a 'world tree'. I'm partial to Yggdrasil myself.
Oh certainly not new, except to astrophysics. ;) (That closing shot from the first Thor movie was great. :) )
I keep waiting for someone to officially announce, "Uh... okay, according to math, if the Bang hyperinflated the universe millions of times faster than the speed of light, all our bases for calculating cosmic ages are basically wrong. In a real way, the universe might have only been around for six to ten thousand years; it just seems vastly much older due to the flexibility of time constantly running down in entropy."
:o
Quote from: JasonPratt on November 26, 2014, 09:44:08 AM
Oh certainly not new, except to astrophysics. ;) (That closing shot from the first Thor movie was great. :) )
I keep waiting for someone to officially announce, "Uh... okay, according to math, if the Bang hyperinflated the universe millions of times faster than the speed of light, all our bases for calculating cosmic ages are basically wrong. In a real way, the universe might have only been around for six to ten thousand years; it just seems vastly much older due to the flexibility of time constantly running down in entropy."
Horse dung. Even converting carbon to oil or diamonds takes longer than a few 1000 years.
Quote from: Staggerwing on November 25, 2014, 09:49:09 PM
Quote from: JasonPratt on November 25, 2014, 04:03:26 PM
Maybe "Galaxy Tree" or something. (Isn't that the new hotness? The universe looks like a tree?
Maybe not so new. Many older belief systems see the greater expanse of existence in the form of a 'world tree'. I'm partial to Yggdrasil myself.
Time tree more like. It has the added benefit of going well with tea time. Have a biscuit.
Quote from: Mr. Bigglesworth on November 29, 2014, 02:39:33 PM
Quote from: Staggerwing on November 25, 2014, 09:49:09 PM
Quote from: JasonPratt on November 25, 2014, 04:03:26 PM
Maybe "Galaxy Tree" or something. (Isn't that the new hotness? The universe looks like a tree?
Maybe not so new. Many older belief systems see the greater expanse of existence in the form of a 'world tree'. I'm partial to Yggdrasil myself.
Time tree more like. It has the added benefit of going well with tea time. Have a biscuit.
Douglas Adams strikes again!
Quote from: Mr. Bigglesworth on November 29, 2014, 02:39:33 PM
Have a biscuit.
Did you mean...
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or...
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Which one goes best with beer?
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Looks tasty. O0
Quote from: JasonPratt on November 26, 2014, 09:44:08 AM
Oh certainly not new, except to astrophysics. ;) (That closing shot from the first Thor movie was great. :) )
I keep waiting for someone to officially announce, "Uh... okay, according to math, if the Bang hyperinflated the universe millions of times faster than the speed of light, all our bases for calculating cosmic ages are basically wrong. In a real way, the universe might have only been around for six to ten thousand years; it just seems vastly much older due to the flexibility of time constantly running down in entropy."
I didn't peg you for a YEC.
A rock is as old as it is. All the rest is Personal Gnosis and frame of reference.
Quote from: Ubercat on November 29, 2014, 09:58:13 PM
Quote from: JasonPratt on November 26, 2014, 09:44:08 AM
Oh certainly not new, except to astrophysics. ;) (That closing shot from the first Thor movie was great. :) )
I keep waiting for someone to officially announce, "Uh... okay, according to math, if the Bang hyperinflated the universe millions of times faster than the speed of light, all our bases for calculating cosmic ages are basically wrong. In a real way, the universe might have only been around for six to ten thousand years; it just seems vastly much older due to the flexibility of time constantly running down in entropy."
I didn't peg you for a YEC.
I'm not; I just like the amusing confluence of science oddities.
Carbon doesn't necessarily take that long to turn into coal, btw. Less sure about oil. Fossilization can happen a
lot faster than generally advertised, too.
None of that means YEC is true, but there's a lot of pressure the other way to make data fit the paradigm more neatly. As someone who grew up very comfortably believing in neo-Darwinian gradualism and a super-ancient universe, I've found my naturally critical attitude rebounding around in some surprising directions. ;)