Not sure how I feel about this:
I'm sure. Meh.
Does this mean the guy who played the original Human Torch and now plays Capt. America can play Torch again? Or both? Or neither? I'd like to see a new Torch vs old Torch/ Capt. scene.
^^ No, completely new cast.
I'm cautiously hopeful about it. I've heard rumors that the story strays so far from classic FF that one wonders why they're bothering at all other than to keep the rights (and to distinguish the film from the mediocre-to-terrible previous two which, for all their many faults, did stay pretty close to the property).
This looks decent if overly grimNolanish. The FF are at heart a family of explorers (FOR SCIENCE!), who get into super-weird and sometimes tragic situations. The footage and narration plays that up.
It doesn't play up their positive joy at doing what they do, which tends to counterbalance the typical Marvel angst, and this combined with the studio's use-it-or-lose-it attitude toward having rented out the rights, meant that toward the end of the trailer my snarky critical voice was chiming along with the narrator to the trailer for Bill Murray's Scrooge (in-film): "YOUR LIFE MIGHT JUST DEPEND ON IT!" "I want that running every hour, on the hour!" :knuppel2:
Still, yokay, sure. Modern version of the team is younger and get their powers while exploring the Negative Zone, like in the Ultimate FF. That can work. Or fail: most fans regard Ultimate FF as vanishing up its own ass in a spectacularly bad series of creative decisions meant to make the Ultimate line distinct by playing hard with the extended What If? concept.
But up to now Marvel films have chosen to go with decent ideas from the Ultimate line (though this isn't from Marvel Studios, and when Sony borrowed Ultimate Electro they fumbled the ball badly.) It could still work.
More hopeful than I was before the trailer finally dropped!
There's nothing in that trailer that remotely makes me want to see the new movie. I was more drawn in by the Ant Man trailer :P
The first FF film was decent B-movie fun. It had a good cast and was far more enjoyable than I expected it to be.
Rise of the Silver Surfer was a totally unnecessary movie and completely sub-par. Still not even close to the worst superhero movie of the last decade.
I never was an FF fan in the comics, but I would like to see the franchise moved to the MCU where I think it would flourish.
As with most of what Hollywood does to my favorite characters, they screwed up the Silver Surfer in Rise...
This new iteration, I am not interested in at all. I was never a FF fan to begin with and now the forces of, "Let's reboot and mix sh*t up just cuz we can," have done it again. A new film for no reason with little redeeming value.
The old FF Saturday morning cartoons are what attracted me to comic books; much more than the old Spidey cartoons. I've always been a sucker for sci-fi, and the FF gave that to me.
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I can't believe they screwed up casting yet again.
With the exact same problem only reversed.
Now Susan "Invisible Woman/Girl" Storm is back into being Caucasian, but they turned Johnny "Human Torch" Storm into an Afro-American :idiot2:
It's like they realized the mistake they made with the casting of the previous 2 movies, and then delegated fixing it to 2 completely different people who
were not in contact with one another.
So one decided to Human Torch black, while another decided to turn the Invisible Woman white again.
Either that, or the casting agent misunderstood Johnny being described as a "Brother".
So yet again, characters that are supposed to be siblings look absolutely different.
While Jessica Alba (who played Sue Storm in the first two movies) is half Mexican-american I wouldn't exactly refer to her as 'non-white'.
She was totally hot.
However I can deal with Kate Mara in the role. That is the best casting I've seen so far in the reboot.
I saw the Fantastic Four last night. I had 2 waitresses at Hooters. :2funny: Damn those are good wings!
Quote from: Staggerwing on January 29, 2015, 08:08:51 PM
While Jessica Alba (who played Sue Storm in the first two movies) is half Mexican-american I wouldn't exactly refer to her as 'non-white'.
She's kinda half-of-everything.
Also, her role in the 2nd film was absolutely terrible.
She spent the entire movie doing nothing but whining incessantly.
The whole world is going to die but she bitches about a zit that she can actually magically remove.
ADDENDUM: And looking at IMDB.
WTF is going with Marvel. I see dozens of entries for new movies/shows about characters in the Marvel Universe.
Now I saw an entry for The Defenders, and also for another character from the same show, Jessica Jones (why does she get her own show but Luke Cage doesn't???)
2nd Addendum:
It seems I overlooked. Luke Cage will be getting his own show as well. :buck2:
if I was Mr. Fantastic I would be very naughty with Mrs. Fantastic. ^-^
Quote from: GDS_Starfury on January 30, 2015, 03:56:40 AM
if I was Mr. Fantastic I would be very naughty with Mrs. Fantastic. ^-^
'Invisible Sex'!
... wait, wasn't that a band back in the early 80's?
Ah, yes:
Yep.
I think I've more than had my fill of movies based on comic books for the next decade or so.
Quote from: Silent Disapproval Robot on July 14, 2015, 01:39:20 PM
I think I've more than had my fill of movies based on comic books for the next decade or so.
I'm beginning to feel the same way.
There's definitely an "ALRIGHT ENOUGH ALREADY" vibe. But you know these assclowns will keep churning it out if they keep making hundreds of millions of dollars.
As for this, complete and utter meh.
The whole Human Torch as a black guy thing...it's hard to describe how that puts me off without sounding like a total racist. I'm not, and what really bugs me more about this is that it IS kind of technically racist that some Hollywood circle jerk of a production meeting decided that they needed to ham fist a black character into this movie...if that makes any sense at all. I grew up with Johnny and Sue being brother and sister, not adopted. Surely that's not what Hollywood was going to do...right?
http://moviepilot.com/posts/2014/09/26/the-new-susan-storm-won-t-be-related-to-human-torch-technically-2299645?lt_source=external,manual
Oh, she's adopted. Whatever, Hollywood. Carry on.
I guess if you have to ask, "why does he have to be black," the answer is, "why does he NOT have to be black?" Wellllll...50+ years of comic history? I'm not saying Black Panther has to be Chinese, or Sunspot needs to be Norwegian. It shouldn't matter, that's my point. Why Hollywood decided they needed to make this a point is troubling.
QuoteMara said that she was supposed to read the Fantastic Four comic books for preparation. However, director Josh Trank suggested to her that it was unnecessary, with writer Simon Kinberg adding that the film is not based on a single issue of the Fantastic Four comic books
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fantastic_Four_%282015_film%29
Why would you want to reference the comic books of one of Marvel's premiere franchises? That would be silly.
Marvel Studio Marvel films: the cast and crew either start as fans or are encouraged to study up and become fans.
20th C Fox: yeah, never mind, loving the original material isn't important -- that's sooooo, um, last century.
Having said that, I'm still moderately hopeful on this one.
As for any of the cast being black, orange, or other non-white: don't care, never did care, it isn't a story issue (like a Chinese Black Panther would be. Or a black viking god, awesome though he was. All they had to do was include a picture of Black Heimdall in the storybook showing the Bifrost Bridge, boom narrative problem solved. Couldn't be assed to do so.)
What I do care about, is the producers or whoever thinking they're being inclusive or topical or something by only giving us a black guy -- and it's clear that's all they're doing because otherwise they'd have both brother and sister being black. That's sheer tokenism, and shows a fundamental disrespect for the property.
Sue Storm should be a lesbian Asian. A hot lesbian Asian.
Quote from: Centurion40 on July 15, 2015, 08:50:47 AM
Sue Storm should be a lesbian Asian. A hot lesbian Asian.
+ 1000000!
Quote from: mirth on July 14, 2015, 01:56:53 PM
Quote from: Silent Disapproval Robot on July 14, 2015, 01:39:20 PM
I think I've more than had my fill of movies based on comic books for the next decade or so.
I'm beginning to feel the same way.
There are only a very few new upcoming ones that interest me. Much of it seems like random filler noise.
I'm curious as to how Doctor Strange will turn out. Other than that .. *shrug*
I'm on board for Doctor Strange as well, and for Guardians of the Galaxy 2. Perhaps also Captain America: Civil War. I'm going to hold at that point and see what the latest crop does to bring up Infinity Wars before I dive into it.
God help me I want to see Ant-Man tomorrow. I started decidedly "MEH" on this one, but then saw who the villain was and thought he was brilliant in House of Cards. I'm admittedly somewhat curious to see how Paul "Role Models" Rudd does as a superhero, too.
I'm going to take the kids to Ant-Man on Saturday.
Quote from: mirth on July 15, 2015, 09:14:44 PM
I'm going to take the kids to Ant-Man on Saturday.
Be sure and put on a shirt.
Seriously considering going this weekend, too.
I'm so far behind on the summer movies, it's gonna be Amazon catch up time once I get settled.
And if anything...and I mean anything....can kill the superhero movie craze....it's yet another attempt at putting the FF onscreen.
Quote from: Banzai_Cat on July 15, 2015, 09:12:31 PM
I'm on board for Doctor Strange as well, and for Guardians of the Galaxy 2. Perhaps also Captain America: Civil War. I'm going to hold at that point and see what the latest crop does to bring up Infinity Wars before I dive into it.
God help me I want to see Ant-Man tomorrow. I started decidedly "MEH" on this one, but then saw who the villain was and thought he was brilliant in House of Cards. I'm admittedly somewhat curious to see how Paul "Role Models" Rudd does as a superhero, too.
40Jr is totally psyched to see it, so I'll have to go. I'm very 'meh' about it and Jr. is all 'wtf' about my malaise.
Trainwreck
http://www.showbiz411.com/2015/08/07/marvel-braces-for-a-real-box-office-disaster-with-the-fantastic-four-director-disowns-it
Quote from: mirth on August 07, 2015, 07:55:48 AM
Trainwreck
http://www.showbiz411.com/2015/08/07/marvel-braces-for-a-real-box-office-disaster-with-the-fantastic-four-director-disowns-it
Another hot leading lady wasted in this mess. I'd give up ever making a FF movie at this rate.
Another franchise that badly needs to move into the MCU. Imagine the epic nerd off that could happen between Stark, Banner, Reed Richards and Peter Parker.
Quote from: mirth on August 07, 2015, 09:19:20 AMImagine the epic nerd off that could happen between Stark, Banner, Reed Richards and Peter Parker.
that's sooooooooo 30-years-ago
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^ Well that makes me feel freaking old.
A truly, unwaveringly abysmal film.
The worst thing that can be said for a Super Hero film is that it's boring, and this one is oh so boring. A 90 minute film where the heroes don't get their powers until minute 60 and have one Mcguffin filled fight with their primary villain who has perhaps, generously, 15 minutes of screen time. That is, honestly, about as full a synopsis as the film needs.
It's essentially a bad science fiction film about teleporting with some David Cronenberg style body horror overtones and a tacked on vaguely super heroish final act that's very inconsistent with the previous 2/3 of the film.
Thanks for the information. Even though it was universally panned nothing I have read so far gave a reason WHY the film was bad.
Quote from: MetalDog on August 09, 2015, 04:04:00 PM
Thanks for the information. Even though it was universally panned nothing I have read so far gave a reason WHY the film was bad.
You're welcome. It's my public service for the day.
People got caught up in the casting and the supposed lack of faithfulness pre-release. I can say that even with a cast people thought was perfect, it's still be horrible. I can't answer to whether or not making it more faithful would improve it, because making it faithful to Fantastic Four would be a completely different film altogether.
I only saw it because my wife does freelance reviews. I sort of saw the writing on the wall with all the production issues, and I had very low expectations. My expectations were not anywhere nearly low enough.
My wife's not even going to end up reviewing it. She's got a backlog of books and movies she needs to get to, and right now is getting free ARC's of the Star Wars canon material, so that's her priority. She just can't come up with anything to say about this.
I told her "Sometimes its fun to write something when you're beating it down. But this time, you'd pretty much just be kicking a mentally disabled dog that just lost a leg and has cancer. There comes a time to just put the poor pooch down and forget you ever saw anything."
My 11 year-old gets excited for any super hero movie, and he was not excited for this one. We saw it Friday night, at the end he asked me what I thought, and all I could say was "well, at least we don't have to worry about there being a sequel."
In RPG lingo, Dr. Doom was stacked. No way that he should have been defeated with those stats and abilities.
I watched a few minutes of the Angry Joe review.
Pretty much said the same thing SirAndrew did.
I haven't seen the movie yet but I've been reading a lot of comments. I feel like the tonal choice, though valid enough as an experiment (sci-fi with horror overtones a la Challengers of the Unknown, a real influence on the original FF), was a mistake -- Fox wanted Christopher Nolan's Incredibles Fantastic Four. And I've worried from the earliest leaked info about Doom that they were going to drastically mishandle the character (again), which was my main concern about the attempt (since I was okay in theory with the tonal shift). Doom doesn't fit cleanly into the story, and that janks the story structure particularly hard in the final third.
Arguably they should have kept Doom as a side player (who does not get FF powers, and techs up in the traditional Doom way as basically Iron Man + Doctor Strange), and if they're going to seriously do the science/horror Challengers riff then bring in Annihilus and let him or one of the other alien Negative Zone entities be the threat. With maybe Doom teching up to help defend against an invasion into our world by Annihilus (or whoever) at the end and being facially scarred for his trouble (since the canon origin wouldn't probably work).
Instead they shafted Doom into the Annihilus role: the world-ending threat from the Negative Zone.
If Hollywood read the works they steal from, they'd find excellent plots and fan bases ready made to see their favorite stories on the big screen. Instead, as every good liberal must, they think they know better than you what you want and then set out to give you the lowest common denominator trash and call it by a name you know. Until they take the source material verbatim and make it into a movie, there are just varying levels of suck they can achieve. And if you need an example of how it's done properly, 'The Godfather,' is almost THE EXACT SAME AS THE BOOK! Scenes, dialog, characters, etc. [/rantoff]
An even better example than The Godfather is The Maltese Falcon. You can actually read along with the movie. The original Day of the Jackal (w/ Edward Fox) is the same way.
Well, this version is heavily inspired by the Ultimate FF -- which is a version despised even by fans of the Ultimate canon.
Moral: if you're going to be unfaithful to the canon, either pick a canon no one likes and make it better, or at least don't be surprised if your crappy changes to a despised canon are reviled even by people in your audience who have no knowledge of the source material.
https://www.change.org/p/everybody-group-people-make-fox-sell-the-rights-to-fantastic-four-back-to-marvel-studios
Quote from: mirth on August 11, 2015, 02:33:11 PM
https://www.change.org/p/everybody-group-people-make-fox-sell-the-rights-to-fantastic-four-back-to-marvel-studios
I don't think Fox is going to be so quick to dump the licence, even with the box office disaster.
They're prepping an X-Men TV show, and clearly they have a long term plan for X-Men on the big screen. Even if we don't see the Fantastic Four as they appeared in Trank's film, I don't know that Fox wants to shelve them when they could potentially use them, even rebooted versions, in their other licences.
Moreover, it's not so much that they own the Four, they own the Four's villians too. That is something that has a LOT of value. Part of the Fantastic Four licence is the ownership of Doom, Namor, Galactus and the Silver Surfer ect. Fox already turned Marvel down when they offered to let them keep Daredevil in return for Galactus and Silver Surfer.
Doom, Galactus and Silver Surfer could be very helpful for Fox in the long run, finding relevant, well known opponents for the X-Men. Surfer could have his own film.
Ok, now I need to go read some football articles and watch a porno to wash the nerd off.
I don't even want to go to the pirate site to watch this for free. 9% on Rotten Tomatoes among critics; 23% among audiences. "Meh" went right to "Meh-jor poopstain."
Quote from: Banzai_Cat on August 12, 2015, 06:36:04 AM
I don't even want to go to the pirate site to watch this for free. 9% on Rotten Tomatoes among critics; 23% among audiences. "Meh" went right to "Meh-jor poopstain."
The good news is that, many years from now, when you do actually see it you'll think "that wasn't sooo bad" because your expectations couldn't be lower!
Sadly I might actually be that bored at some point to watch it, if watching grass grow is booked solid and therefore unavailable at that time.
Fox is going to have to figure something out with Marvel for FF, even if they don't let the rights revert to Marvel. It's hard to imagine Fox could successfully reboot the reboot at this point.
Marvel has a fair amount of leverage. They can pull back support on the comics front and limit other merchandising/marketing. Something I believe they were already doing. It's one of the reasons you don't see much in the way of merchandising for the Fox/Sony films. Marvel/Disney doesn't want to promote a riva'ss movie.
Look at what Marvel has done with it's historically 'B' franchises. It's turned them into billion dollar properties. The companies with the rights to the 'A' franchises have run them into the ground. My kids love Iron Man and the Avengers. They barely know who the Fantastic Four are. They saw this new movie and didn't know what to make of it. They've never seen a really bad movie with Marvel characters (I've kept them away from the some of the X-men and Spiderman movies).
Joss Whedon can only do so much. ;D
Seriously
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The best chance for a recover for Fox now, in my opinion, is to fold the FF into anyone making decent X-Men properties; and in fact they were already buzzing hard about an X-Men/FF crossover before the roof collapsed on the FF release.
Fox has sent confusing signals about the property in its late development. The signals up until a few months ago were that the movie was in disaster mode, but some of the (non-marketing fluff) signals recently before actual release suggested
someone among the purses still saw non-disaster potential for the film.
Quote from: Centurion40 on August 12, 2015, 07:06:43 AM
The good news is that, many years from now, when you do actually see it you'll think "that wasn't sooo bad" because your expectations couldn't be lower!
To be honest, this is exactly what happened with me and the Amazing Spidereboot. Painful the first time I watched it, but not as bad as I was expecting from the buzz. The second time I watched it, I came away actually liking it -- though that might have been in relation to Amazing Spider2. I'm hoping someday I'll get around to appreciating Ama2ing better the same way, even though I watched it in theaters. It generally
looks better than Amaz1ng (which wasn't always slouching in that department.) I have a suspicion if I watched it in a French dub, or something like that, without any English subtitles, I'd like it a lot better immediately.
To be equally honest, I realllly liked the movie tie-in game for Amaz1ng, which served as an unofficial sequel to the movie, and that had to have helped my eventual appraisal of the first movie.
Fantastic 4 redux two: Fox still planning to commit to the property, launching sequel.
So says the ex-Moriarty (Drew McWeeney) reporting for HitFix: http://www.hitfix.com/motion-captured/how-are-the-new-fantastic-four-and-2013s-arrested-development-related
Well, maybe it will be a big hit in China or India...