...just curious what my fellow Grogheads think of this logo.
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I'll post more on it later, but just wanted to get some of your reactions to it first.
I think it is a pretty dreadful logo. I saw it the other day and couldn't believe simply southern is using it
I figured people with some interest in history would instantly get it. One of my sisters was visiting another of my sisters down in Georgia and came back with a T-shirt with the logo on it. What the heck was Simply Southern thinking?
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Good grief! ::)
+1 with Brant. Dreadful is right.
Quote from: steve58 on May 13, 2015, 07:35:41 AM
I figured people with some interest in history would instantly get it. One of my sisters was visiting another of my sisters down in Georgia and came back with a T-shirt with the logo on it. What the heck was Simply Southern thinking?
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Is that a Nazi Duck?
Con
Simply Stupid.
I want to know how much they overpaid some stupid advertising company to come up with that.
Quote from: DoctorQuest on May 13, 2015, 09:09:23 AM
I want to know how much they overpaid some stupid advertising company to come up with that.
I'll bet you a dollar it was some conservaphobic Madison Avenue ad agency that deserves to have the pants sued off of it.
anyone got a link to the usage of that comparable logo from an actual nazi-affiliated group? I know they exist, I'm just too lazy to find it
Quote from: bayonetbrant on May 13, 2015, 09:57:46 AM
anyone got a link to the usage of that comparable logo from an actual nazi-affiliated group? I know they exist, I'm just too lazy to find it
Yeah, like I need to be on yet another list...
Quote from: LongBlade on May 13, 2015, 12:16:29 PM
Quote from: bayonetbrant on May 13, 2015, 09:57:46 AM
anyone got a link to the usage of that comparable logo from an actual nazi-affiliated group? I know they exist, I'm just too lazy to find it
Yeah, like I need to be on yet another list...
what do you mean "another" - you're on the
master list....
The rest of us are on lists through affiliation with LB.
Quote from: bayonetbrant on May 13, 2015, 12:20:11 PM
Quote from: LongBlade on May 13, 2015, 12:16:29 PM
Quote from: bayonetbrant on May 13, 2015, 09:57:46 AM
anyone got a link to the usage of that comparable logo from an actual nazi-affiliated group? I know they exist, I'm just too lazy to find it
Yeah, like I need to be on yet another list...
what do you mean "another" - you're on the master list....
I'm hoping they'll declassify the names of the lists so I can make merit badges for them.
Speaking of which, what's the Grogheads equivalent to Eagle Scout?
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^Nice. It's Star's Star.
Quote from: steve58 on May 13, 2015, 07:26:38 AM
...just curious what my fellow Grogheads think of this logo.
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I'll post more on it later, but just wanted to get some of your reactions to it first.
What the Effing F??!! :o :o :o
How blind/dumb could they be?? Did no one at their company look at the logo and go, "Hold on guys. Does this look familiar to anyone else?"
Holy hell, the stupidity is mind-boggling here...
Go to their FB page... someone tried to point out the problem...
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Simply-Southern-Tees/153229698074751
Not so obvious in the bright yellow and orange... but the dark blue (almost black!) version for their profile pic.... ???
Quote from: Barthheart on May 13, 2015, 01:23:55 PM
Go to their FB page... someone tried to point out the problem...
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Simply-Southern-Tees/153229698074751 (https://www.facebook.com/pages/Simply-Southern-Tees/153229698074751)
Not so obvious in the bright yellow and orange... but the dark blue (almost black!) version for their profile pic.... ???
That would be funny if it weren't so pathetically stupid and scary. Those dingbats can't see that the logo looks like a friggin SS symbol. :uglystupid2:
Are we sure they aren't a front company for some white supremacy group?
Even without the NAZI iconography, this shit is weird
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Reminds me of the logo for a direct order/manufacture company called Swell Source :
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The logo would be less obvious if not for the blatant use of the red, white, and black colors in it. :o
Makes you wonder if whomever created the logo was taking a hostile shot at the company. :idiot2:
I actually know some people associated with the company. Trust me they are not that self aware
Quote from: bayonetbrant on May 13, 2015, 04:50:11 PM
I actually know some people associated with the company. Trust me they are not that self aware
Yeah, yeah. But what of my merit badge?
Here's another little retail oops:
http://bentcorner.com/wal-mart-is-selling-shirts-with-a-nazi-ss-skull-on-it/
So this is accidental?? Both the SS t-shirt in Walmart and the Simply Southern logo? That can't be possible. Is 70 years that much time to be removed from those events? To think - I felt my faith in humanity had bottomed out.
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Wal Mart was just trying to put a skull on there. I guarantee the designer wasn't thinking abiut where the skulk came from.
Shockingly Stupid logo. Or maybe they are skinheads. Even the duck would hide it's head in shame.
Is this because trendy 20 something's are the go to source of all things creative and 'urban' and they really have no frikking idea what it is they just 'designed'?
Quote from: undercovergeek on May 14, 2015, 03:50:00 AMIs this because trendy 20 something's are the go to source of all things creative and 'urban' and they really have no frikking idea what it is they just 'designed'?
That's what I think is happening
Most of the graphic design students I've had over the years had an appalling understanding of history, so something like this totally would not surprise me
Quote from: bayonetbrant on May 14, 2015, 05:02:50 AM
Quote from: undercovergeek on May 14, 2015, 03:50:00 AMIs this because trendy 20 something's are the go to source of all things creative and 'urban' and they really have no frikking idea what it is they just 'designed'?
That's what I think is happening
Most of the graphic design students I've had over the years had an appalling understanding of history, so something like this totally would not surprise me
All cool culture comes from mtv. :crazy2:
MTV still exists?
Quote from: mirth on May 14, 2015, 09:29:26 AM
MTV still exists?
Apparently it does in Canada.
I agree with Brant - there's no way that Walmart knew what that was. No way.
There were several symbols that were used by the Germans which were perverted from older sources. In a way I'm glad these are being reclaimed. For instance the color pink wasn't considered effeminate until the Germans started using triangles to flag homosexuals. Today it's a banner of pride.
Part of me wishes that we could reclaim those symbols for what they really stood for. Part of me says "never forget" and that should include the symbols.
I suspect the tide of history and short memory will eventually wash over all this. Think of WWI as our generation relates to it. We, as a historical wargaming community, are aware of a lot of history of WWI. Yet to us it's almost ancient history. My dishwasher is a Bosch. There was a time when "the bosch" were our enemies. Today, it's just another well-made German product. I suspect that in another 50 years many of those symbols will be about the same.
The dude with the atrociously named retail store, however, has to go.
Quote from: LongBlade on May 14, 2015, 09:32:47 AM
Quote from: mirth on May 14, 2015, 09:29:26 AM
MTV still exists?
Apparently it does in Canada.
No idea, watched maybe 3hrs of it total, including that other much musiv channel.
MTV as we know it hasn't existed in 20 years. That makes me sad because if was awesome once...cutting edge in many ways and the harbinger of things cool.
I think LB hit the nail on the head. For most of the world 75 years ago is ancient history. Couple that with large parts of the world that were not directly assaulted by Hitler and you have the makings of the Hitler Underoos Shop. Still doesn't mean thatpeople should not be awoken from their ignorance though.
Quote from: Centurion40 on May 14, 2015, 10:05:34 AM
Quote from: LongBlade on May 14, 2015, 09:32:47 AM
Quote from: mirth on May 14, 2015, 09:29:26 AM
MTV still exists?
Apparently it does in Canada.
But it doesn't show music videos, AFAIK.
Gus was being facetious. MTV exists here, too, and it probably shows the exact same crap as it does up there. He's just lamenting the loss of a once iconic channel.
Quote from: Gusington on May 14, 2015, 09:51:32 AM
MTV as we know it hasn't existed in 20 years. That makes me sad because if was awesome once...cutting edge in many ways and the harbinger of things cool.
I think LB hit the nail on the head. For most of the world 75 years ago is ancient history. Couple that with large parts of the world that were not directly assaulted by Hitler and you have the makings of the Hitler Underoos Shop. Still doesn't mean thatpeople should not be awoken from their ignorance though.
Not to mention that the totenkopf pre-dates the Nazis, even in the German military. The swastika is thousands of years old. That being said, copies of Nazi designed totenkopfs and swastikas is an entirely different matter. Also use of the SS sig runes have no excuse, the same with any pseudo-religious Nazi use of runes. Ignorance of history is no excuse.
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Note, this is the version used in Germany. Wonder why....
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Quote from: Centurion40 on May 14, 2015, 10:16:50 AMNote, this is the version used in Germany. Wonder why....
Federal Law...
incidentally, I have 5 of the first 7 Kiss studio albums with the German logo on them.
Oh I knew why!
Cool that you were in Germany to buy the albums. Hang onto them!
Quote from: bayonetbrant on May 14, 2015, 05:02:50 AM
Most of the graphic design students I've had over the years had an appalling understanding of history, so something like this totally would not surprise me
there was a course offered at school called US Military History. I thought it would be an easy A but nooooooo.
ultra liberal fuckwit lecturing on all the evils done during US military history. the class basically devolved into a semester long argument between me and the "teacher".
you took it at the wrong place.
should've had Joe Caddell at UNC / NC State
Quote from: GDS_Starfury on May 14, 2015, 11:30:29 AM
Quote from: bayonetbrant on May 14, 2015, 05:02:50 AM
Most of the graphic design students I've had over the years had an appalling understanding of history, so something like this totally would not surprise me
there was a course offered at school called US Military History. I thought it would be an easy A but nooooooo.
ultra liberal fuckwit lecturing on all the evils done during US military history. the class basically devolved into a semester long argument between me and the "teacher".
I suspect this type of thing is fairly common these days.
In college I had a great Western civilization course that included a unit on WWII taught by a 75 year old professor originally from Norway. He gave great lectures and was a soldier in Norway when the Germans invaded. His lectures were so emotional and powerful - it's hard to describe. He had every student paying rapt attention...every single one, in a giant lecture hall. I really wonder if there's anyone left out there like that professor.
I think it's safe to say that, if there is, they're not working for Simply Southern.
:'(
Quote from: Barthheart on May 13, 2015, 01:23:55 PM
Go to their FB page... someone tried to point out the problem...
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Simply-Southern-Tees/153229698074751
Not so obvious in the bright yellow and orange... but the dark blue (almost black!) version for their profile pic.... ???
Yeah, that guy really DID try, but those vapid soccer moms just didn't get it.
^Vapid...awesome word
And the NAZIS really do win. Thanks soccer moms.
The next Cotillion will be festooned with SS banners.
Quote from: Gusington on May 14, 2015, 09:51:32 AM
MTV as we know it hasn't existed in 20 years. That makes me sad because if was awesome once...cutting edge in many ways and the harbinger of things cool.
More like 25 years. I hate to say it, but Beavis and Butt-Head in 1992 or so was the harbinger of the end of MTV. Once they realized that shows other than actual music videos were popular, that kind of killed it. That and Yo! MTV Raps.
Quote from: Gusington on May 14, 2015, 09:51:32 AM
I think LB hit the nail on the head. For most of the world 75 years ago is ancient history. Couple that with large parts of the world that were not directly assaulted by Hitler and you have the makings of the Hitler Underoos Shop. Still doesn't mean thatpeople should not be awoken from their ignorance though.
Being awoken from ignorance requires effort, though. Those idiots on the FB page that are gushing over it and accusing people of pointing out that their logo might possibly be changed because it resembles the logo of the terror arm of one of the most monstrous regimes in world history is akin to giving Southern Shite an open door to legal action...my Gawd, those women are flucking idiots. But I suppose ignorance is bliss for them.
Although, Gus, I might buy some Hitler Underoos. It would go with my Hipster Hitler T-shirts.
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^HAHAHA!!! I'd wear that one.
I showed the logo to my wife, the most UN-military woman on the planet.
Her one-word reply was, "Nazis."
Gus: http://hipsterhitler.com/
Quote from: Gusington on May 14, 2015, 06:31:14 PM
In college I had a great Western civilization course that included a unit on WWII taught by a 75 year old professor originally from Norway. He gave great lectures and was a soldier in Norway when the Germans invaded. His lectures were so emotional and powerful - it's hard to describe. He had every student paying rapt attention...every single one, in a giant lecture hall. I really wonder if there's anyone left out there like that professor.
Probably, but these days they'll be discussing 'Nam.
Well Americans did elect a president who uses Soviet propaganda imagery in his political campaigns and events, so fuck it. We clearly did not learn anything from the 20th Century. I'm going to grill up some hot dogs now. Just need to decide if I want to make the effort to bake some tater tots or not.
life is always better with tater tots.
I deep fried a huge batch of bacon wrapped tater tots once.
there is no measure of time to describe how fast they vanished.
Quote from: Banzai_Cat on May 14, 2015, 07:56:47 PM
I showed the logo to my wife, the most UN-military woman on the planet.
Her one-word reply was, "Nazis."
Gus: http://hipsterhitler.com/
You inspired me to repeat that experiment on the 2nd most un-military woman on the planet, my wife. She gasped and said, "SS, that's wrong!"
In 3rd year, I took Russian from a Polish guy, who lived in eastern Poland when the Nazis & Soviets took it. His family got moved to Siberia and he learned Russian. He had great stories. He also fought in the Israeli War of Independence, more great stories. In 4th year an old retired German doctor audited my Military Studies course. As it turned out, he was in the Heer on the Eastern Front. I can't recall if he was at Kursk or Stalingrad, but I do remember him saying that his General defied Hitler by ordering a retreat, and that he was alive because of that.