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Title: Steel Tigers
Post by: GibbyG on June 23, 2015, 08:00:35 PM
Looks like the long awaited sequel to Steel Panthers is coming....

http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=3885806 (http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=3885806)
Title: Re: Steel Tigers
Post by: jomni on June 23, 2015, 08:07:30 PM
I'm more concerned about the discontinuation of Battle Academy. Hope the BA derivatives / mods from 3rd party devs will still be developed.
Title: Re: Steel Tigers
Post by: -budd- on June 23, 2015, 08:57:31 PM
The way i read it is slitherine won't be using the engine to develop more games in house. My guess is they'll be letting other dev teams use the engine.
Title: Re: Steel Tigers
Post by: Gusington on June 23, 2015, 09:02:10 PM
I really hope some further development is done with the Battle Academy engine and it doesn't languish and die.  :'(
Title: Re: Steel Tigers
Post by: GibbyG on June 23, 2015, 09:17:37 PM
Funny, a couple of years ago an announcement of a new Steel Panthers would have been received with a lot of enthusiasm.  The first three posts in this thread were concern for Battle Academy.  High praise for BA.

I believe Hell was based on the BA2 engine and it was developed by Hunted Cow so it seems like they may allow development to continue as -budd- said.
Title: Re: Steel Tigers
Post by: Jarhead0331 on June 23, 2015, 09:27:50 PM
I'm just disappointed that they are not calling it "steel lions". I would have even been excited with "steel leopards"...oh well, I'll have to wait until the third or fourth run in the series.
Title: Re: Steel Tigers
Post by: jomni on June 23, 2015, 09:52:44 PM
Quote from: challerain on June 23, 2015, 09:17:37 PM
Funny, a couple of years ago an announcement of a new Steel Panthers would have been received with a lot of enthusiasm.  The first three posts in this thread were concern for Battle Academy.  High praise for BA.

I believe Hell was based on the BA2 engine and it was developed by Hunted Cow so it seems like they may allow development to continue as -budd- said.

Yeah, I particularly like Pike and Shot (by Byzantine Games).
Title: Re: Steel Tigers
Post by: Airborne Rifles on June 24, 2015, 06:03:30 AM
While I admit that a successor to Steel Panthers makes me drool, I just can't see an initial release being as deep as SPMBT or SPWWII have become through the efforts of a few dedicated people who have researched and created OOBs for nearly every relevant country in the world. The 2d graphics have never bothered me, though I am intrigued by what the games could look like in 3d. I hope any new game is as editable for OOBs and scenarios as the old ones.
Title: Re: Steel Tigers
Post by: Tuna on June 24, 2015, 06:44:48 AM
So if the 15 year old 'free' version of Steel Panthers cost fifty bucks, what is this one gonna cost?  :crazy2:
Title: Re: Steel Tigers
Post by: Rayfer on June 24, 2015, 07:43:54 AM
Just my opinion....but I wish they would put the phrase 'spiritual successor' to rest for good.  I have seen it used so many times and yet when they come out they don't live up to the hype....Xcom and Master of Magic come to mind, but there have been others.  They make the same mistake with movies all the time, like that recent head-scratcher remake of Mad Max. The pc gaming world has radically transformed since those old ancient games came out, it just aint' going to happen. They are gone and they are never coming back. Let new games be new games and be good games in their own right without be a 'successor' to anything.
Title: Re: Steel Tigers
Post by: Airborne Rifles on June 24, 2015, 09:48:39 AM
The guys who do SPMBT and SPWWII have done an outstanding job keeping the game alive, making it better, adding features, and doing the research to update OOBs. I don't think there is any other game out there that has the depth and accuracy when it comes to ground military equipment and organization over the past 70 years. It's worth the $50 and more. And it you don't want to shell out the cash, you can always just play the free version at lower resolution. What I love about the game, as a soldier, is that it isn't gamey. The best way to win in nearly every scenario is to apply sound and doctrinal military planning and tactics. The AI is somewhat limited, but a good scenario designer can manipulate the editor in many ways to make things very difficult for the human player without simply adding more enemy forces, in effect making the AI behave like a very cunning human opponent.
Title: Re: Steel Tigers
Post by: LongBlade on June 24, 2015, 01:27:33 PM
Quote from: challerain on June 23, 2015, 09:17:37 PM
Funny, a couple of years ago an announcement of a new Steel Panthers would have been received with a lot of enthusiasm.  The first three posts in this thread were concern for Battle Academy.  High praise for BA.

Meh.

Battle Academy is a fun little game but it fails in comparison to Steel Panthers in terms of realism.

Hopefully Steel Tigers will live up to the legacy.
Title: Re: Steel Tigers
Post by: Apocalypse 31 on June 24, 2015, 06:08:19 PM
Quote from: Gusington on June 23, 2015, 09:02:10 PM
I really hope some further development is done with the Battle Academy engine and it doesn't languish and die.  :'(

I love BA2. Still playing cooperative games.
Title: Re: Steel Tigers
Post by: panzerde on June 24, 2015, 07:28:12 PM
Quote from: Airborne Rifles on June 24, 2015, 09:48:39 AM
The guys who do SPMBT and SPWWII have done an outstanding job keeping the game alive, making it better, adding features, and doing the research to update OOBs. I don't think there is any other game out there that has the depth and accuracy when it comes to ground military equipment and organization over the past 70 years. It's worth the $50 and more. And it you don't want to shell out the cash, you can always just play the free version at lower resolution. What I love about the game, as a soldier, is that it isn't gamey. The best way to win in nearly every scenario is to apply sound and doctrinal military planning and tactics. The AI is somewhat limited, but a good scenario designer can manipulate the editor in many ways to make things very difficult for the human player without simply adding more enemy forces, in effect making the AI behave like a very cunning human opponent.


+1 QFT. It really is a great game and worth the money. There's A LOT of game there.

Title: Re: Steel Tigers
Post by: Gusington on June 24, 2015, 07:53:59 PM
I was hoping a Battle Academy Cold War game would be released...
Title: Re: Steel Tigers
Post by: Capn Darwin on June 24, 2015, 08:29:01 PM
Quote from: Gusington on June 24, 2015, 07:53:59 PM
I was hoping a Battle Academy Cold War game would be released...

We have a perfectly functional Red Storm game for that... :coolsmiley:
Title: Re: Steel Tigers
Post by: LongBlade on June 24, 2015, 08:52:01 PM
Quote from: Capn Darwin on June 24, 2015, 08:29:01 PM
Quote from: Gusington on June 24, 2015, 07:53:59 PM
I was hoping a Battle Academy Cold War game would be released...

We have a perfectly functional Red Storm game for that... :coolsmiley:

Indeed - head and shoulders above BA in terms of reality.
Title: Re: Steel Tigers
Post by: Swatter on June 24, 2015, 11:11:14 PM
I have been waiting on news like this for years. Hopefully, they can make a game where the Soviet artillery phase doesn't last for 45 minutes  :buck2:
Title: Re: Steel Tigers
Post by: MIGMaster on June 25, 2015, 06:34:58 AM
Quote from: Swatter on June 24, 2015, 11:11:14 PM
I have been waiting on news like this for years. Hopefully, they can make a game where the Soviet artillery phase doesn't last for 45 minutes  :buck2:

Big +1 !

OMG - What a hoot - I thought I was the only one who got bored during artillery barrages  ;D
Title: Re: Steel Tigers
Post by: Staggerwing on June 25, 2015, 06:52:37 AM
That's when you do some of the household chores you should have been doing instead of playing on the computer. Start turn, do laundry, play turn, start next turn, fill dishwasher, play turn, rinse, repeat.

Title: Re: Steel Tigers
Post by: Apocalypse 31 on June 25, 2015, 07:25:13 AM
Quote from: LongBlade on June 24, 2015, 08:52:01 PM
Quote from: Capn Darwin on June 24, 2015, 08:29:01 PM
Quote from: Gusington on June 24, 2015, 07:53:59 PM
I was hoping a Battle Academy Cold War game would be released...

We have a perfectly functional Red Storm game for that... :coolsmiley:

Indeed - head and shoulders above BA in terms of reality.

Completely different games and different scales.

I wish BA would venture into a more modern setting.
Title: Re: Steel Tigers
Post by: Capn Darwin on June 25, 2015, 07:30:44 AM
I know BA is a completely different animal in terms of scope, gameplay, and depth. It would be cool to see Cold War and Modern conflicts in a similar engine/style. I think that will happen at some point with both the Archon and BA engines being moddable.
Title: Re: Steel Tigers
Post by: SirAndrewD on June 25, 2015, 02:18:56 PM
Quote from: MIGMaster on June 25, 2015, 06:34:58 AM
Quote from: Swatter on June 24, 2015, 11:11:14 PM
I have been waiting on news like this for years. Hopefully, they can make a game where the Soviet artillery phase doesn't last for 45 minutes  :buck2:

Big +1 !

OMG - What a hoot - I thought I was the only one who got bored during artillery barrages  ;D

+2

You're not the only one.  The only thing that currently keeps me from playing Steel Panthers is the interminable wait times on the AI's turn.  I pretty much just curl up with a good book on artillery phases.
Title: Re: Steel Tigers
Post by: Father Ted on June 25, 2015, 04:15:13 PM
Quote from: Staggerwing on June 25, 2015, 06:52:37 AM
That's when you do some of the household chores ... fill dishwasher, play turn, rinse, repeat.

You obviously don't do a whole heap of household chores - either that or your dishwasher's kaput ;)
Title: Re: Steel Tigers
Post by: jomni on June 25, 2015, 05:02:01 PM
Quote from: SirAndrewD on June 25, 2015, 02:18:56 PM
Quote from: MIGMaster on June 25, 2015, 06:34:58 AM
Quote from: Swatter on June 24, 2015, 11:11:14 PM
I have been waiting on news like this for years. Hopefully, they can make a game where the Soviet artillery phase doesn't last for 45 minutes  :buck2:

Big +1 !

OMG - What a hoot - I thought I was the only one who got bored during artillery barrages  ;D

+2

You're not the only one.  The only thing that currently keeps me from playing Steel Panthers is the interminable wait times on the AI's turn.  I pretty much just curl up with a good book on artillery phases.

There's an option to speed up arty right?  You mean it takes so long even when the option is activated?
Title: Re: Steel Tigers
Post by: TacticalWargames on June 25, 2015, 05:12:48 PM
Need to see alot more info.
Title: Re: Steel Tigers
Post by: Staggerwing on June 25, 2015, 06:19:59 PM
Quote from: Father Ted on June 25, 2015, 04:15:13 PM
Quote from: Staggerwing on June 25, 2015, 06:52:37 AM
That's when you do some of the household chores ... fill dishwasher, play turn, rinse, repeat.

You obviously don't do a whole heap of household chores - either that or your dishwasher's kaput ;)

Actually, I do all the chores as I am a single parent, and my dishwasher gets used nearly every day. Some weekend days twice.
Title: Re: Steel Tigers
Post by: Father Ted on June 25, 2015, 07:23:18 PM
Quote from: Staggerwing on June 25, 2015, 06:19:59 PM
Quote from: Father Ted on June 25, 2015, 04:15:13 PM
Quote from: Staggerwing on June 25, 2015, 06:52:37 AM
That's when you do some of the household chores ... fill dishwasher, play turn, rinse, repeat.

You obviously don't do a whole heap of household chores - either that or your dishwasher's kaput ;)

Actually, I do all the chores as I am a single parent, and my dishwasher gets used nearly every day. Some weekend days twice.

Okay, I am really sorry.  It was just a (obviously crap) joke on the idea that if you have a dishwasher you shouldn't have to rinse.  Also, FWIW, I do all that stuff at my house, so I'd never make light of it.
Title: Re: Steel Tigers
Post by: Staggerwing on June 25, 2015, 08:31:44 PM
Father Ted- No offense taken!  ;)

If I had thought my post through I would have dug up a smiley washing a plate to end it with: (https://www.grogheads.com/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.sherv.net%2Fcm%2Femoticons%2Fhousework%2Fwashing-dishes-smiley-emoticon.gif&hash=7a18799d513845680ec7b1c653aeda52934a20db)
Title: Re: Steel Tigers
Post by: RyanE on June 26, 2015, 05:30:43 AM
btw, you should rinse if you have a septic system or you want your dishwasher to last longer...dishwashing grog here.
Title: Re: Steel Tigers
Post by: Staggerwing on June 26, 2015, 05:37:59 AM
Quote from: RyanE on June 26, 2015, 05:30:43 AM
btw, you should rinse if you have a septic system or you want your dishwasher to last longer...dishwashing grog here.

If you mean pre-rinse the crud off of the dishes before going into the dishwasher, I do that already. I see where that would help the wear and tear on the washer but not the septic. The pre-rinse water is now added to the load from the washer making for more stress on the septic system, not less.
Title: Re: Steel Tigers
Post by: Airborne Rifles on June 26, 2015, 05:59:50 AM
Oh the humanity! A thread about the successor to Steel Panthers derailed by talk about domestic chores! ;)

(BTW, I too wash dishes as a small way to show the wife I love her. Much respect to you and your parenting Stagger)
Title: Re: Steel Tigers
Post by: RyanE on June 26, 2015, 06:48:59 AM
The large chunks will go down the drain of a dishwasher and risk causing problems in the tank...not breaking down.  In a sink, you should have a special disposal that will grind it very fine.  Some dishwashers have the ability to grind that stuff up, but not fine enough.

Don't question my dishwashing prowess.  I was trained by a master dishwasher...my wife.  You don't want to be on her bad side.
Title: Re: Steel Tigers
Post by: Tuna on June 26, 2015, 06:50:20 AM
I wish my wife would buy me a dishwasher!  :'(
Title: Re: Steel Tigers
Post by: Sir Slash on June 26, 2015, 08:50:40 AM
I don't really understand the whole concept of washing dishes. Aren't they just going to get dirty again? Also paper plates NEVER need washing, thus saving the environment. Or if you have a dog, you never need to wash the dishes. A good dog. A cat won't do, they're too damned picky. :uglystupid2:
Title: Re: Steel Tigers
Post by: LongBlade on June 26, 2015, 10:54:34 AM
Quote from: Airborne Rifles on June 26, 2015, 05:59:50 AM
Oh the humanity! A thread about the successor to Steel Panthers derailed by talk about domestic chores! ;)

Some day over a beer I'll have to share a story about the editor of a wargaming site and a high profile publisher in the industry and one of their sidebar conversations.
Title: Re: Steel Tigers
Post by: Hot lead and dirty talk! on June 26, 2015, 01:34:46 PM
Quote from: Tuna on June 26, 2015, 06:50:20 AM
I wish my wife would buy me a dishwasher!  :'(

You are doing it wrong. Your wife IS the dishwasher.
Title: Re: Steel Tigers
Post by: RyanE on June 26, 2015, 01:37:07 PM
She can't wash dishes and destroy my masculinity at the same time.
Title: Re: Steel Tigers
Post by: Father Ted on June 26, 2015, 05:38:47 PM
*sigh* Let's get this back on topic guys.  By "rinse" obviously we mean what happens towards the end of the cycle when the machine gets rid of the suds prior to drying.  The practice of pre-washing the "chunks" is completely different and belongs in its own thread.
Title: Re: Steel Tigers
Post by: Gusington on June 26, 2015, 06:03:35 PM
My wife washes dishes (not as much or as good as I do) but she has destroyed my masculinity. Come on over and check out our fireplace mantle some time.
Title: Re: Steel Tigers
Post by: Staggerwing on June 26, 2015, 06:24:37 PM
Quote from: Gusington on June 26, 2015, 06:03:35 PM
My wife washes dishes (not as much or as good as I do) but she has destroyed my masculinity. Come on over and check out our fireplace mantle some time.

Is there a new jar up there to keep the other one company?
Title: Re: Steel Tigers
Post by: LongBlade on June 26, 2015, 06:39:13 PM
Quote from: Staggerwing on June 26, 2015, 06:24:37 PM
Quote from: Gusington on June 26, 2015, 06:03:35 PM
My wife washes dishes (not as much or as good as I do) but she has destroyed my masculinity. Come on over and check out our fireplace mantle some time.

Is there a new jar up there to keep the other one company?

He's telling us the dog was a metaphor.

Or maybe her pet name for him is "Dog"?
Title: Re: Steel Tigers
Post by: Gusington on June 26, 2015, 06:55:56 PM
She has many pet names for me but Dog aint one.

Come on over!
Title: Re: Steel Tigers
Post by: Staggerwing on June 26, 2015, 07:04:09 PM
Over what?
Title: Re: Steel Tigers
Post by: LongBlade on June 26, 2015, 07:04:55 PM
Quote from: Staggerwing on June 26, 2015, 07:04:09 PM
Over what?

Our girls, of course.
Title: Re: Steel Tigers
Post by: Staggerwing on June 26, 2015, 07:13:46 PM
 ;D
Title: Re: Steel Tigers
Post by: Gusington on June 26, 2015, 09:31:40 PM
The Wife has plied me with beer tonight. I should be gaming.
Title: Re: Steel Tigers
Post by: Sir Slash on June 26, 2015, 09:58:45 PM
Get back on topic? Steel Tiger describes my wife perfectly. What were we supposed to be talking about here? :P
Title: Re: Steel Tigers
Post by: Gusington on June 26, 2015, 10:24:25 PM
Beer.
Title: Re: Steel Tigers
Post by: Sir Slash on June 26, 2015, 10:53:58 PM
Yes please. And one for my friend here too. His name is Tab, as in put it on mine.
Title: Re: Steel Tigers
Post by: LongBlade on June 26, 2015, 11:28:37 PM
Quote from: Gusington on June 26, 2015, 10:24:25 PM
Beer.

If your wife has plied you with beer you should return the favor by plowing her fields.

That is all.
Title: Re: Steel Tigers
Post by: Pinetree on June 27, 2015, 04:29:26 AM
Quote from: Gusington on June 26, 2015, 09:31:40 PM
The Wife has plied me with beer tonight. I should be gaming.
The last time the mrs plied me with beer, she pulled a positive pregnancy test kit out of her pocket.
Title: Re: Steel Tigers
Post by: Barthheart on June 27, 2015, 05:28:29 AM
Quote from: Pinetree on June 27, 2015, 04:29:26 AM
Quote from: Gusington on June 26, 2015, 09:31:40 PM
The Wife has plied me with beer tonight. I should be gaming.
The last time the mrs plied me with beer, she pulled a positive pregnancy test kit out of her pocket.

ACK!  :o
Title: Re: Steel Tigers
Post by: Pinetree on June 27, 2015, 06:11:31 AM
Quote from: Barthheart on June 27, 2015, 05:28:29 AM
Quote from: Pinetree on June 27, 2015, 04:29:26 AM
Quote from: Gusington on June 26, 2015, 09:31:40 PM
The Wife has plied me with beer tonight. I should be gaming.
The last time the mrs plied me with beer, she pulled a positive pregnancy test kit out of her pocket.

ACK!  :o
:D     We'd been trying anyway, so it wasn't a complete shock..
Title: Re: Steel Tigers
Post by: Barthheart on June 27, 2015, 06:19:39 AM
Quote from: Pinetree on June 27, 2015, 06:11:31 AM
Quote from: Barthheart on June 27, 2015, 05:28:29 AM
Quote from: Pinetree on June 27, 2015, 04:29:26 AM
Quote from: Gusington on June 26, 2015, 09:31:40 PM
The Wife has plied me with beer tonight. I should be gaming.
The last time the mrs plied me with beer, she pulled a positive pregnancy test kit out of her pocket.

ACK!  :o
:D     We'd been trying anyway, so it wasn't a complete shock..

O0
Title: Re: Steel Tigers
Post by: Gusington on June 27, 2015, 12:47:03 PM
Congrats? Well not yet I guess.

So I got plied with beer and played Grim Dawn for an hour and a half, then passed out :)
Title: Re: Steel Tigers
Post by: Staggerwing on June 27, 2015, 02:23:22 PM
Quote from: Gusington on June 27, 2015, 12:47:03 PM
... So I got plied with beer and played Grim Dawn for an hour and a half, then passed out :)


Achievement= Still Locked
Title: Re: Steel Tigers
Post by: Gusington on June 27, 2015, 02:58:44 PM
Au contraire. I've been attempting to play Grim Dawn for months as part of my game back catalogue and have finally achieved it :)
Title: Re: Steel Tigers
Post by: Staggerwing on June 27, 2015, 03:27:27 PM
I refer, of course, to a different achievement...  :))
Title: Re: Steel Tigers
Post by: LongBlade on June 27, 2015, 03:58:31 PM
Quote from: Staggerwing on June 27, 2015, 03:27:27 PM
I refer, of course, to a different achievement...  :))

Go easy on him. He's getting old and bald.
Title: Re: Steel Tigers
Post by: Pinetree on June 27, 2015, 04:16:21 PM
Quote from: Gusington on June 27, 2015, 12:47:03 PM
Congrats? Well not yet I guess.

Ha, that was 3 kids ago....
Title: Re: Steel Tigers
Post by: Gusington on June 27, 2015, 08:43:58 PM
^Congrats on still being alive!
Title: Re: Steel Tigers
Post by: Sir Slash on June 28, 2015, 10:47:30 PM
I once got drunk while playing IL2 Stormovik. I thought I was doing pretty good until I realized the computer wasn't even on. I was watching an old re-run of Black Sheep Squadron on TV Land.  :o Never mix vodka with rum just because they're both clear colored.
Title: Re: Steel Tigers
Post by: panzerde on June 29, 2015, 07:28:44 AM
Quote from: Sir Slash on June 28, 2015, 10:47:30 PM
I once got drunk while playing IL2 Stormovik. I thought I was doing pretty good until I realized the computer wasn't even on. I was watching an old re-run of Black Sheep Squadron on TV Land.  :o Never mix vodka with rum just because they're both clear colored.


Pappy Boyingtonovitch!

Title: Re: Steel Tigers
Post by: Sir Slash on June 29, 2015, 09:08:44 AM
It was an Absolut victory.
Title: Re: Steel Tigers
Post by: Ubercat on June 29, 2015, 09:16:04 AM
You have a little fighter ace in you.
Title: Re: Steel Tigers
Post by: Sir Slash on June 29, 2015, 10:20:15 AM
Actually I was horrible at IL 2. I don't think I got a single kill in the whole game when I played it. Though I never tried it with a joystick just mouse and keyboard. And on a very old machine. It was fun anyway. Even sober.
Title: Re: Steel Tigers
Post by: solops on February 11, 2017, 11:32:26 PM
Quote from: Sir Slash on June 26, 2015, 08:50:40 AM
I don't really understand the whole concept of washing dishes. Aren't they just going to get dirty again? Also paper plates NEVER need washing, thus saving the environment. Or if you have a dog, you never need to wash the dishes. A good dog. A cat won't do, they're too damned picky. :uglystupid2:

Think of a dish as a re-usable paper plate...you never have to buy any more.

And I am really looking forward to this game. I'd be satisfied with SPWaW with no changes except graphics that were sharp on my monitor. Right now I'm kind of disappointed in what's out there.
Title: Re: Steel Tigers
Post by: Ubercat on February 11, 2017, 11:35:53 PM
Quote from: Ubercat on June 29, 2015, 09:16:04 AM
You have a little fighter ace in you.

I have ABSOLUTely no memory of making this post. I'm serious. For a second I was wondering how my account had been hijacked!
Title: Re: Steel Tigers
Post by: solops on February 11, 2017, 11:39:53 PM
<snicker> Yeah, ABSOLUT...that's why you can't remember.
Title: Re: Steel Tigers
Post by: acctingman on February 12, 2017, 04:40:10 PM
Curse you all!!!  :tickedoff:

When I saw that this thread had a new comment I thought maybe there was some new info on this potential game!  :uglystupid2:
Title: Re: Steel Tigers
Post by: GibbyG on February 12, 2017, 06:02:38 PM
From Pip at Matrix

Work is ongoing, and the guts are progressing well. We want to be sure to both fulfill the expectations of both the hardcore SP fans, as well as bring the game into the modern era with regards to the look and UX. It's an exciting project, but one that is moving forward.

Cheers

Pip
Title: Re: Steel Tigers
Post by: Reckall on February 15, 2017, 03:50:47 PM
Quote from: Rayfer on June 24, 2015, 07:43:54 AM
like that recent head-scratcher remake of Mad Max

Uh? It wasn't a remake but a whole new chapter of the saga, and it was a blast.