So, as I shared elsewhere, this came in the mail for me earlier this week:
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The problem is that the game is mint...pristine...unpunched...it even has its original customer response card and the original 10-sided die...
I really want to punch it and play it, but somehow I feel I would be making a ruin of something really, really nice. After all, it sat, what, 30+ years in this state...would this not be a manifestly unjust act?
My beloved thinks I've near lost my mind...she's thought that for some time for other reasons...
What say you all?
Punch the damn game and play it.
Play it! It's a game, who's sole reason for existence is to be played, not stored on some shelf some where.
PLAY IT! :knuppel2:
Yeah, something that obscure looking no one else is gonna play it anyway! Play it! :coolsmiley:
Read through the rules and see if it's something you want to play.
I went through something similar when my daughter bought me an old model aircraft...to make it or not to make it.
In the end I made it because - that's what it was for. I wasn't doing it any justice sitting in the box...it was meant to be made.
The game was meant to be played - play it - that's what it was designed for.
You can always buy another copy for play and keep this one as an investment.
(although I'm not sure there will be another generation which appreciates these games as we do)
Play it! Life is too short for "mint-in-box".
Quote from: DoctorQuest on August 30, 2015, 04:21:49 PM
Play it! Life is too short for "mint-in-box".
Amen, brother.
Scan everything and make a VASSAL or Zuntzu module out of it. If nothing else, scan the countersheets before you punch them so that you have a manifest in case you need it some day (or in case you do decide to make a digital conversion).
Quote from: GJK on August 30, 2015, 10:09:10 PM
Scan everything and make a VASSAL or Zuntzu module out of it. If nothing else, scan the countersheets before you punch them so that you have a manifest in case you need it some day (or in case you do decide to make a digital conversion).
Sage advice.
Then after you've scanned the countersheets, spray them with 2 coats of Krylon clear kote (Matte) to help preserve them and to deaden the glossy shine that makes them hard to see under the lights.
After you've carefully removed each strip from the sprue, carefully cut each individual counter out, trimming any side nubs for each on all four sides. Strategize a method to sort the counters using something sturdy and spill proof. I prefer Plano 3801's (thin style) myself. For the Plano's, I use modeling glue to seat each of the compartment dividers and then I glue a piece of felt or rubber shelf matting to the underside of the lid. This prevents counters from spilling over into adjacent compartments, even if you tossed the thing down a set of stairs. For an added bonus, I like to thermal label each compartment with an ID of what is contained in it. This aids in the resorting process after a game.
Finally, a decision will need to be made on whether or not to round the corners. This is a personal preference but for me, I think that the pieces look so much cleaner with a very gently rounded corner. I use the 2mm corner rounder from Oregon Laminations. If this is your choice too, you'll need to round all four corners of each counter before returning it to the storage tray.
After you've photocopied the rules, put them in page protectors and a 3-ring notebook, you are ready to read them and then actually set up a game! First though, you'll want to cover the map with a piece of plexi. This will help to keep it lay flat and it will protect it from any drops of moisture. Of course, it won't save it from a spill so remember "no drinking glasses on the game table!".
Oh, I almost forgot! I like to heat laminate with a 3mil thick lamination pouch any and all of the charts. This will help preserve them. Another option is take the originals to a printer (Kinko's, etc) and have copies made on thick card stock. Then you can laminate those copies and safely store the originals.
Ok, any other questions on what to do with the game before you're ready to play it??
The nerd is strong in this one..... :idiot2:
Gently rounded corners?
Who are you, Hilary Farr?
Quote from: LongBlade on August 31, 2015, 05:43:03 AM
Gently rounded corners?
Who are you, Hilary Farr?
Not sure who that is but judging by google images, I get your point.
Yes, "gently". 3mm is too much for a 1/2" counter and I strongly urge against using a nail clipper or the C4 counter clipper unless you like playing with "stop signs".
I should edit the post above, but it's actually Plano 3701's (thin case) that I prefer and I of course forgot to mention to the OP that you'll want to check BGG and/or the designer's website to find any errata or 'living rules' updates.
And of course, if the OP doesn't have a place to safely set up and leave in place the game for any extended period of time, I'd highly recommend my thread on building the perfect wargaming table (http://grogheads.com/forums/index.php?topic=13182.0). :crazy2:
Just a little theme music to help GJK and Cyrano, well and apparently LB get in touch with their feelings and stuff. Go ahead boys and sing along.
<chuckle>
I knew it!
http://www.wnetwork.com/shows/love-it-or-list-it/people
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So says the guys that have the TrackIR thruster, joystick and pedals with their headset & mic combo unit flying their Cessna 152 on their super gaming rig with neon lights and water cooler that they dual boot into Linux on. :2funny:
Quote from: LongBlade on August 31, 2015, 09:22:45 AM
<chuckle>
I knew it!
http://www.wnetwork.com/shows/love-it-or-list-it/people
They're actually filming their current seasons here in town. I've seen them around a few times. They actually featured one of the houses around the corner from me, and another right down the street from Bayonet Jr's school.
Quote from: bayonetbrant on August 31, 2015, 10:58:05 AM
Quote from: LongBlade on August 31, 2015, 09:22:45 AM
<chuckle>
I knew it!
http://www.wnetwork.com/shows/love-it-or-list-it/people
They're actually filming their current seasons here in town. I've seen them around a few times. They actually featured one of the houses around the corner from me, and another right down the street from Bayonet Jr's school.
Yeah, you mentioned that. If you happen to run into Hillary, please seek an opinion on corner rounding.
Quote from: LongBlade on August 31, 2015, 11:13:03 AMYeah, you mentioned that. If you happen to run into Hillary, please seek an opinion on corner rounding.
Well, given the amount of botox/makeup, I'm not sure we'd be able to infer an opinion based on facial expression
OK, this is not making this hobby any cheaper.
Now I feel GJK peering over my shoulder and being very judge-y about how I treat this.
Definitely going to create and archive and dulcote...both excellent suggestions...very tempted on the Plano box. The copy of Eisenbach Gap Deluxe that I bought used was sorted into that and it works very nicely.
Corner rounding...corner rounding...I fear in that way lies madness...
Quote from: Cyrano on August 31, 2015, 12:15:06 PM
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Corner rounding...corner rounding...I fear in that way lies madness...
Don't do it! What did the poor defenseless counters ever do to you to deserve have parts hacked off?!?
Embrace the square in all it's pointy glory!
:knuppel2:
Meh! Clip and be damned - eradicate those nasty corners that foul other counters - begone, oh despicable right angle.
FREE RANGE COUNTERS!!!1!1111!
NO ANTIBIOTICS!
NO GROWTH HORMONES!
NO CORNERS CLIPPED!
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QuoteMeh! Clip and be damned - eradicate those nasty corners that foul other counters - begone, oh despicable right angle.
:o
Burn the heretic!
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Quote from: Barthheart on August 31, 2015, 12:30:27 PM
Quote from: Cyrano on August 31, 2015, 12:15:06 PM
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Corner rounding...corner rounding...I fear in that way lies madness...
Don't do it! What did the poor defenseless counters ever do to you to deserve have parts hacked off?!?
Embrace the square in all it's pointy glory!
:knuppel2:
Do it, do it, do it! Look at the gently rounded corners on Panzerde's pic of his latest gaming acquisition:
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Like gentle little circumcisions upon each corner. Remember, those aren't just pieces of cardboard, those are men that are willing to sacrifice themselves for you! Proper hygiene should be mandatory for them!
Quote from: GJK on August 31, 2015, 12:50:36 PM
Like gentle little circumcisions upon each corner. Remember, those aren't just pieces of cardboard, those are men that are willing to sacrifice themselves for you! Proper hygiene should be mandatory for them!
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Quote from: LongBlade on August 31, 2015, 01:07:15 PM
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I'm averting my eyes like Dracula being forced to look at a cross....make it go away!!!
Edit: Actually, that's a good example of how
not to treat your games. Here's a guy with the Yanks ASL module that didn't bother how he got those counters ready for play. You can tell that he just literally "punched" them out as evidenced by the tear in the upper left corner. If he'd of used a good pair of scissors or an x-acto knife at the least, the corner nubs wouldn't of been
that bad. That person should be fined for mistreatment of a wargame...
THE all time greatest wargame (ASL) at that. :tickedoff:
First, given the way my day took a turn for the weird, this debate and the absurd passion behind it is a wonderful diversion.
Second, I'm not sure here, but, given how brief was the time that Doug had that game in his possession before taking that picture, I can't believe the game didn't come with the corner of its chits already gently curved. Doug, not so?
Third: I have not yet decided whether to welcome my chits to the tribe or not, but that "Climb" chit does give me the shudders...
Seriously though, I'd scan the countersheets and then make a quick Zuntzu gamebox for it or a VASSAL module if you're a little more ambitious. You may play it (electronically) and then decide it ain't all that. Then you'd still have an unpunched copy available for sale or trade or to just hoard.
Quote from: LongBlade on August 31, 2015, 09:22:45 AM
<chuckle>
I knew it!
http://www.wnetwork.com/shows/love-it-or-list-it/people
Is she any relation to
Jamie Farr?
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Quote from: GJK on August 31, 2015, 12:50:36 PMgentle little circumcisions
I never in my life thought that phrase would ever be uttered
Quote from: Cyrano on August 31, 2015, 05:25:02 PMFirst, given the way my day took a turn for the weird
The Sheriff's quote going viral?
Get one of these for faster, more accurate clipping. (Or circumcision if the bits fit in.)
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00G2G340O?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o02_s00 (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00G2G340O?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o02_s00)
Mine works very, very well. (On counters.)
Amazingly enough, the company knows wargamers exist, via a personal connection to somebody on Boardgamegeek, and altered the design slightly to make it work better for us.
The only downside is that it's heavy enough that it eventually tires out my wrist, which I suppose tells you I haven't had enough of another kind of exercise. ;)
Quote from: James Sterrett on August 31, 2015, 05:53:33 PM
Get one of these for faster, more accurate clipping. (Or circumcision if the bits fit in.)
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00G2G340O?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o02_s00 (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00G2G340O?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o02_s00)
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Dammit Jim! You created a run on the clipper market!
Quote from: Barthheart on August 31, 2015, 12:30:27 PM
Quote from: Cyrano on August 31, 2015, 12:15:06 PM
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Corner rounding...corner rounding...I fear in that way lies madness...
Don't do it! What did the poor defenseless counters ever do to you to deserve have parts hacked off?!?
Embrace the square in all it's pointy glory!
:knuppel2:
Their corners became as velcro
And laid too often with each other
Quote from: Cyrano on August 31, 2015, 05:25:02 PM
Second, I'm not sure here, but, given how brief was the time that Doug had that game in his possession before taking that picture, I can't believe the game didn't come with the corner of its chits already gently curved. Doug, not so?
I spent a couple of hours Saturday turning square into round. The OSG counter sheets are your standard 1/2 inch square and not really well die cut sheets. I think I'm more inclined to clip counters like that than I am those that are better quality. If the counters after I cut them out are nicely square, I'm not all that bothered to spend two hours (or more) clipping.
Now, as for the game...
I damn near bought that game the day we were talking about Enterprise Games. If I hadn't already spent half of a car payment on GBOH stuff, I probably would have. This is
Omdurman man! Where else are you going to find
any other decent, playable portrayal of that battle? The little cardboard Mahdists and British Regulars cry out to be freed from their decades long imprisonment and be used for the purpose they were made!
If you don't play it, I'm going to connive with Vance and he and I will cause you to buy so many new games that you will have to sell a kidney to afford them and build an annex on to your tall white house to store them.
Besides, your wife thinks you should play it. You
know what happens when you don't listen to your wife.
Quote from: panzerde on August 31, 2015, 09:49:15 PM
Quote from: Cyrano on August 31, 2015, 05:25:02 PM
Second, I'm not sure here, but, given how brief was the time that Doug had that game in his possession before taking that picture, I can't believe the game didn't come with the corner of its chits already gently curved. Doug, not so?
I spent a couple of hours Saturday turning square into round. The OSG counter sheets are your standard 1/2 inch square and not really well die cut sheets. I think I'm more inclined to clip counters like that than I am those that are better quality. If the counters after I cut them out are nicely square, I'm not all that bothered to spend two hours (or more) clipping.
Now, as for the game...
I damn near bought that game the day we were talking about Enterprise Games. If I hadn't already spent half of a car payment on GBOH stuff, I probably would have. This is Omdurman man! Where else are you going to find any other decent, playable portrayal of that battle? The little cardboard Mahdists and British Regulars cry out to be freed from their decades long imprisonment and be used for the purpose they were made!
If you don't play it, I'm going to connive with Vance and he and I will cause you to buy so many new games that you will have to sell a kidney to afford them and build an annex on to your tall white house to store them.
Besides, your wife thinks you should play it. You know what happens when you don't listen to your wife.
O0
Quote from: Staggerwing on August 31, 2015, 06:35:18 PM
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00G2G340O?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o02_s00 (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00G2G340O?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o02_s00)
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Dammit Jim! You created a run on the clipper market!
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My evil plan is working! :crazy2:
This one (2.5mm corner) should work as well.
http://www.amazon.com/Radius-Deluxe-Corner-Rounder-Cutter/dp/B00G08PEXO/ (http://www.amazon.com/Radius-Deluxe-Corner-Rounder-Cutter/dp/B00G08PEXO/)
The flat plate is useful for holding the counter as you turn it around. I wouldn't go to the 3mm model, personally.
I have the 2mm and 3mm in the original style. I had miscuts all the time when I first started using them but now I rarely have one so haven't felt the need to upgrade to the newer "deluxe" version. I have seen one in person though and it is sweet!. I imagine that the 2.5mm would be a nice happy medium for 1/2" and 5/8" counters though personally it would take just a tad too much off the former and not quite enough off the latter for me I think. Too damn expensive to buy two different sizes though (the orginal style you can have for half the price). If you have 80% or more counters in the 1/2" size (older games), then you might get a 2mm, otherwise, if you're playing LnL and newer games with the larger counters you would probably want to go with the 2.5mm. Go 3mm though if all you play is LnL or the like with the 5/8" counters. My opinions on it all. And that's all that I have to say about that....
To paraphrase George Carlin: Somewhere in the world, by mere process of elimination, there lives the world's worst mohel. Problem is, someone has a brit milah scheduled with him TOMORROW.
Quote from: Cyrano on September 02, 2015, 08:04:00 PM
To paraphrase George Carlin: Somewhere in the world, by mere process of elimination, there lives the world's worst mohel. Problem is, someone has a brit milah scheduled with him TOMORROW.
I have no idea what that means.
Circumcision joke.
I suspect Jim means that not everyone is good at clipping...things.
It means an involuntary gender reassignment may occur tomorrow.
Quote from: Staggerwing on September 02, 2015, 08:44:41 PM
It means an involuntary gender reassignment may occur tomorrow.
Hmmm. Grim news. Star doesn't have much more to lose.
The 'Angry Inch'?
Quote from: LongBlade on September 02, 2015, 08:58:07 PM
Quote from: Staggerwing on September 02, 2015, 08:44:41 PM
It means an involuntary gender reassignment may occur tomorrow.
Hmmm. Grim news. Star doesn't have much more to lose.
If 3mm is too much for you, I'd definitely recommend the 2mm over the 2.5mm. ;)
<chuckle>
OK, you guys are killing me...seriously now...if I'm gonna require my legions to leave the goyim, I need to know:
2, 2.5, or 3?
2mm
0mm
;)
Two-Fitty
+1.2
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That should give Gary a stroke! :o
OMG...that's positively evil...I lack the, erm, persistence of his passion, but I feel the squik on that one!!
Quote from: Barthheart on September 04, 2015, 11:26:37 AM
0mm
;)
Agreed. Spend your time actually PLAYING THE GAME. ;D
Quote from: Barthheart on September 04, 2015, 12:59:04 PM
That should give Gary a stroke! :o
Oh Cheesus....that was painful! That's like someone that buys a new laptop and leaves all the advertising stickers all over it ("Windows 10 ready!"). Crap, make the things look presentable, will ya??
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Gawd...I just want to take a clipper to all that mess.
Take some hi-res pics of them front and back - I'll see if I can make you another set you can cut out on your own.
Send them and I'll see what is what!