...Ukraine still Soviet.
QuoteThree portraits of former Soviet dictator Joseph Stalin are on display in the centre of Donetsk, the rebel capital of eastern Ukraine, as the separatist authorities fuel a mood of Soviet nostalgia.
The portraits, adorning a main square, seem to go down well with one young woman walking past.
"I think the portraits of Stalin are a good thing. It's our history and a lot of people have forgotten he even existed," said Yekaterina, a 22-year-old student.
source: https://news.yahoo.com/stalin-portraits-soviet-nostalgia-rule-ukraines-rebel-regions-052534004.html
Good Lord!
In Soviet Ukraine history forgets you!
We are living in interesting times. I can kind of understand this yearning for the past no matter who the character is. Back then at least there were real men who would not take feldercarb from anyone and there was no such thing as PC sensitivities.
Today I see nothing but Quislings and Nevilles at a moment in human history where someone with a backbone is sorely needed to preserve our freedoms.
Quote from: W8taminute on October 20, 2015, 09:27:24 PM
Today I see nothing but Quislings and Nevilles at a moment in human history where someone with a backbone is sorely needed to preserve our freedoms.
I don't see that happening anytime soon since recent generations have generally been increasingly taught all the PC and Neville-like trappings throughout their childhood. The social engineering proceeds.
Quote from: Nefaro on October 21, 2015, 09:51:51 AM
Quote from: W8taminute on October 20, 2015, 09:27:24 PM
Today I see nothing but Quislings and Nevilles at a moment in human history where someone with a backbone is sorely needed to preserve our freedoms.
I don't see that happening anytime soon since recent generations have generally been increasingly taught all the PC and Neville-like trappings throughout their childhood. The social engineering proceeds.
Well history has shown time and again that empires in generel gets to a point where the inhabitants forget how and why they where once a great nation, and soon after you see others take over. My guess is that its Europes turn, followed by the US later, since we now see people that actually believe human rights and democracy are universal human rights shared by everyone, rather then something you need to fight hard to keep.
If World War III were to break out today, I believe a great number of people in the United States would be in for a very rude awakening.
Quote from: Greybriar on October 23, 2015, 12:34:00 AM
If World War III were to break out today, I believe a great number of people in the United States would be in for a very rude awakening.
As to how immediately destructive the war would really be or as to how easily the veneer of civilization among friends and neighbors, municipalities, and countries will later shatter after the infrastructures of rule-of-law, power sources, food production/distribution, and medical care have broken down?
If WW III were to break-out today, most people in the USA still wouldn't know about it. Or where it was being fought.
Quote from: Sir Slash on October 23, 2015, 09:19:08 AM
If WW III were to break-out today, most people in the USA still wouldn't know about it. Or where it was being fought.
depends... did they nuke the Kardashians?
Looks like their 22-year-olds are as stupid as ours.
Wasn't this the same Ukraine that at first welcomed the freaking NAZIS as liberators????
Quote from: Swatter on October 23, 2015, 04:28:12 PM
Wasn't this the same Ukraine that at first welcomed the freaking NAZIS as liberators????
Well, technically it's their grandchildren.
Swatter brings up a valid point and one that the Russians have been screaming about since it started.
<Seinfeld>
"These people are Nazis!"
<Seinfeld>
Quote from: Swatter on October 23, 2015, 04:28:12 PM
Wasn't this the same Ukraine that at first welcomed the freaking NAZIS as liberators????
To be fair, they didn't have a good choice either way (and quickly realized the misconception).
One great divergence of history would have been the decision to use the Einsatztruppen to murder Jews and other civilians in the wake of the German Army. Had the Nazis had any kind of foresight they could have easily had hundreds of thousands of loyal soldiers from the Ukrainians, and the Soviets wouldn't have stood a chance.
Yeah yeah, I know the idea was presented to Hitler, but he refused to arm large numbers of ex-Soviets and only allowed Vlasov's Army and some auxiliaries. Seems that someone might not have approached it as "well, why not let the (ex-)Soviets from 'iiberated' territories bleed for their country, instead of letting Germans bleed for their country?" Fortunately it did not turn out that way, as there would be no doubt what would happen once the Germans were victorious and in full control.
Still, the point is, had the Germans come as those liberators the Ukrainians saw them as, things would probably be a bit different today.