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Title: Creative people
Post by: bayonetbrant on November 11, 2015, 08:02:21 AM
http://www.goforhealth.co/2015/11/02/20-things-only-adhd-highly-creative-people-would-understand/

how many of these are you?


Quote1. They have a mind that never slows down.
The creative mind is a non-stop machine fueled by intense curiosity. There is no pause button and no way to power it down. This can be exhausting at times but it is also the source of some crazy fun activities and conversations.

2. They challenge the status quo.
Two questions drive every creative person more than any others: What if? and Why not? They question what everyone else takes at face value. While uncomfortable for those around them, it's this ability that enables creatives to redefine what's possible.

3. They embrace their genius even if others don't.
Creative individuals would rather be authentic than popular. Staying true to who they are, without compromise, is how they define success even if means being misunderstood or marginalized.

4. They have difficulty staying on task.
Highly creative people are energized by taking big mental leaps and starting new things. Existing projects can turn into boring slogs when the promise of something new and exciting grabs their attention.

5. They create in cycles.
Creativity has a rhythm that flows between periods of high, sometimes manic, activity and slow times that can feel like slumps. Each period is necessary and can't be skipped just like the natural seasons are interdependent and necessary.

6. They need time to feed their souls.
No one can drive cross-country on a single take of gas. In the same way, creative people need to frequently renew their source of inspiration and drive. Often, this requires solitude for periods of time.

7. They need space to create.
Having the right environment is essential to peak creativity. It may be a studio, a coffee shop, or a quiet corner of the house. Wherever it is, allow them to set the boundaries and respect them.

8. They focus intensely.
Highly creative people tune the entire world out when they're focused on work. They cannot multi-task effectively and it can take twenty minutes to re-focus after being interrupted, even if the interruption was only twenty seconds.

9. They feel deeply.
Creativity is about human expression and communicating deeply. It's impossible to give what you don't have, and you can only take someone as far as you have gone yourself. A writer once told me that an artist must scream at the page if they want a whisper to be heard. In the same way, a creative person must feel deep if they are to communicate deeply.

10. They live on the edge of joy and depression.
Because they feel deeply, highly creative people often can quickly shift from joy to sadness or even depression. Their sensitive heart, while the source of their brilliance, is also the source of their suffering.

11. They think and speak in stories.
Facts will never move the human heart like storytelling can. Highly creative people, especially artists, know this and weave stories into everything they do. It takes longer for them to explain something, explaining isn't the point. The experience is.

12. They battle Resistance every day.
Steven Pressfield, author of The War of Art, writes:

"Most of us have two lives. The life we live, and the unlived life within us. Between the two stands Resistance."

Highly creative people wake up every morning, fully aware of the need to grow and push themselves. But there is always the fear, Resistance as Pressfield calls it, that they don't have what it takes. No matter how successful the person, that fear never goes away. They simply learn to deal with it, or not.

13. They take their work personally.
Creative work is a raw expression of the person who created it. Often, they aren't able to separate themselves from it, so every critique is seen either as a validation or condemnation of their self-worth.

14. They have a hard time believing in themselves.
Even the seemingly self-confident creative person often wonders, Am I good enough? They constantly compare their work with others and fail to see their own brilliance, which may be obvious to everyone else.

15. They are deeply intuitive.
Science still fails to explain the How and Why of creativity. Yet, creative individuals know instinctively how to flow in it time and again. They will tell you that it can't be understood, only experienced firsthand.

16. They often use procrastination as a tool.
Creatives are notorious procrastinators because many do their best work under pressure. They will subconsciously, and sometimes purposefully, delay their work until the last minute simply to experience the rush of the challenge.

17. They are addicted to creative flow.
Recent discoveries in neuroscience reveal that "the flow state" might be the most addictive experience on earth. The mental and emotional payoff is why highly creative people will suffer through the highs and lows of creativity. It's the staying power. In a real sense, they are addicted to the thrill of creating.

18. They have difficulty finishing projects.
The initial stage of the creative process is fast moving and charged with excitement. Often, they will abandon projects that are too familiar in order to experience the initial flow that comes at the beginning.

19. They connect dots better than others.
True creativity, Steve Jobs once said, is little more than connecting the dots. It's seeing patterns before they become obvious to everyone else.

20. They will never grow up.
Creatives long to see through the eyes of a child and never lose a sense of wonder. For them, life is about mystery, adventure, and growing young. Everything else is simply existing, and not true living.
Title: Re: Creative people
Post by: BanzaiCat on November 11, 2015, 08:06:07 AM
All of the above.
Title: Re: Creative people
Post by: LongBlade on November 11, 2015, 10:58:27 AM
Probably all but 9 and 10. I don't have the bi-polar ranges, and if you need to scream at a page in order to have a reader hear a whisper then you might need to up the meds.
Title: Re: Creative people
Post by: DoctorQuest on November 11, 2015, 02:04:59 PM
Quote from: Banzai_Cat on November 11, 2015, 08:06:07 AM
All of the above.

Yup. Especially the part about intuition. I very rarely work a problem logically (which I why I don't do so hot on Mensa tests.) I tend to bounce around looking at the problem from different angles and eventually something just comes to me.

If I'm lucky, I'll be right. :)
Title: Re: Creative people
Post by: JasonPratt on November 11, 2015, 02:19:18 PM
There are also creative people who work logically, who make their emotions work for them instead of the other way around, and are generally more responsibly mature, who otherwise fit the other portions of the list.

It's like someone decided to take one of the four personality squares (I don't remember the technical name, y'all know what I'm talking about, right?), and treat the two that include (the equivalent of) creativity as if only one of those squares exist.  ::)
Title: Re: Creative people
Post by: LongBlade on November 11, 2015, 02:30:56 PM
Quote from: JasonPratt on November 11, 2015, 02:19:18 PM
It's like someone decided to take one of the four personality squares (I don't remember the technical name, y'all know what I'm talking about, right?), and treat the two that include (the equivalent of) creativity as if only one of those squares exist.  ::)

The four personality squares are a derivative of the 16 squares of the Meyers-Briggs Type Indicator (MBTI). There are lots of them, each slightly different, almost all saying nearly the same thing.

http://www.myersbriggs.org/my-mbti-personality-type/mbti-basics/
Title: Re: Creative people
Post by: Sir Slash on November 11, 2015, 11:28:31 PM
I want to say something pointed here but can't come-up with a thing. Must be No. 5 kicking in.
Title: Re: Creative people
Post by: besilarius on November 12, 2015, 07:34:16 AM
When Jumping Jim Gavin became Army Chief of Staff he noted that the most important thing he could do was defend the mavericks.
The creative types have a hard time in a peacetime military.
Title: Re: Creative people
Post by: DoctorQuest on November 12, 2015, 08:18:40 AM
They have  a hard time in any large, highly structured organization. Following bureaucratic protocol is so much easier than thinking.
Title: Re: Creative people
Post by: Centurion40 on November 12, 2015, 08:59:31 AM
2,3, and 8 not so much.  But the rest are dead-on.

INFP I am.
Title: Re: Creative people
Post by: Sir Slash on November 12, 2015, 09:43:48 AM
Having worked with Juvenile Criminals I can tell you some of the most creative minds are criminal minds. In the past, society needed this type of independent thought and initiative but today in a more structured society it is considered unacceptable. For good reason, but in ancient, tribal societies, these were the leaders-- guys who play by their own set of rules.
Title: Re: Creative people
Post by: MetalDog on November 12, 2015, 09:58:29 AM
Good point, Slash.  And criminals are still needed by the federal government.
Title: Re: Creative people
Post by: Centurion40 on November 12, 2015, 10:04:00 AM
Quote from: Sir Slash on November 12, 2015, 09:43:48 AM
Having worked with Juvenile Criminals I can tell you some of the most creative minds are criminal minds. In the past, society needed this type of independent thought and initiative but today in a more structured society it is considered unacceptable. For good reason, but in ancient, tribal societies, these were the leaders-- guys who play by their own set of rules.

This is where ADHD enters in with the mix of intelligence and creativity.  The impulsivity & lack of fear of consequences inherent in ADHD is what can lead to criminal behaviour.
Title: Re: Creative people
Post by: LongBlade on November 12, 2015, 10:14:47 AM
Quote from: Sir Slash on November 12, 2015, 09:43:48 AM
Having worked with Juvenile Criminals I can tell you some of the most creative minds are criminal minds. In the past, society needed this type of independent thought and initiative but today in a more structured society it is considered unacceptable. For good reason, but in ancient, tribal societies, these were the leaders-- guys who play by their own set of rules.

It's been a while since I've done reading on the MBTI, but I have read several books on the subject.

IIRC the criminal personality type is the ISTP, who incidentally was also listed as the best type for espionage agents. Clearly one is quite different than the other, which reminds us not to rely on stereotypes, even when what we've been given is more or less a stereotype.

ISTPs are also the guys who are highly skilled "mechanics" - the guy who runs the back end loader like a wizard. The guy who welds like Michelangelo.
Title: Re: Creative people
Post by: DoctorQuest on November 12, 2015, 11:20:24 AM
And I can testify that creative types can have problems getting along with others such as you bunch of fat-assed, mind-numbingly stupid, goat-humping bastards.
Title: Re: Creative people
Post by: Centurion40 on November 12, 2015, 11:21:44 AM
Quote from: DoctorQuest on November 12, 2015, 11:20:24 AM
And I can testify that creative types can have problems getting along with others such as you bunch of fat-assed, mind-numbingly stupid, goat-humping bastards.

Hey!  My parents were married!!
Title: Re: Creative people
Post by: Sir Slash on November 12, 2015, 01:19:34 PM
My ass is quite thin actually. Though somewhat flat. I don't really care because I don't have to look at it.
Title: Re: Creative people
Post by: DoctorQuest on November 12, 2015, 01:22:43 PM
Creative people are allowed a lot of license regarding insults.
Title: Re: Creative people
Post by: MetalDog on November 12, 2015, 02:08:39 PM
Says the man with the phallic avatar.
Title: Re: Creative people
Post by: DoctorQuest on November 12, 2015, 02:13:54 PM
Sometimes a spaceship is just a spaceship.
Title: Re: Creative people
Post by: BanzaiCat on November 12, 2015, 02:14:55 PM
Although you could replace 'goat' with 'sheep' in the UK.
Title: Re: Creative people
Post by: DoctorQuest on November 12, 2015, 02:20:38 PM
Please take my comments in the spirit in which they were given. If I really wanted to insult someone I'd start a thread in R&P like any good Grog.
Title: Re: Creative people
Post by: Staggerwing on November 12, 2015, 06:39:26 PM
Quote from: Centurion40 on November 12, 2015, 11:21:44 AM
Quote from: DoctorQuest on November 12, 2015, 11:20:24 AM
And I can testify that creative types can have problems getting along with others such as you bunch of fat-assed, mind-numbingly stupid, goat-humping bastards.

Hey!  My parents were married!!

To each other?
Title: Re: Creative people
Post by: BanzaiCat on November 12, 2015, 06:45:34 PM
Quote from: Staggerwing on November 12, 2015, 06:39:26 PM
To each other?

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Title: Re: Creative people
Post by: MetalDog on November 12, 2015, 07:04:32 PM
Quote from: DoctorQuest on November 12, 2015, 02:20:38 PM
Please take my comments in the spirit in which they were given. If I really wanted to insult someone I'd start a thread in R&P like any good Grog.

Ditto.  Too many intelligent, funny, people here to get caught up in stuff that doesn't mean anything more than a laugh.  :)
Title: Re: Creative people
Post by: Centurion40 on November 13, 2015, 08:20:10 AM
Quote from: Staggerwing on November 12, 2015, 06:39:26 PM
Quote from: Centurion40 on November 12, 2015, 11:21:44 AM
Quote from: DoctorQuest on November 12, 2015, 11:20:24 AM
And I can testify that creative types can have problems getting along with others such as you bunch of fat-assed, mind-numbingly stupid, goat-humping bastards.

Hey!  My parents were married!!

To each other?

(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/bcYppAs6ZdI/hqdefault.jpg)
Title: Re: Creative people
Post by: JasonPratt on November 13, 2015, 04:18:29 PM
Quote from: MetalDog on November 12, 2015, 07:04:32 PM
Quote from: DoctorQuest on November 12, 2015, 02:20:38 PM
Please take my comments in the spirit in which they were given. If I really wanted to insult someone I'd start a thread in R&P like any good Grog.

Ditto.  Too many intelligent, funny, people here to get caught up in stuff that doesn't mean anything more than a laugh.  :)

I REPRESENT THAT REMARK!  :tickedoff:

...oh, I thought you said they "tend to get caught up..." etc.  :-[ :D