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Title: Chinese stealth fighter update
Post by: Shelldrake on May 20, 2012, 07:45:54 AM
It seems that the Chinese version of the F-22 will be deployed sooner than expected.

http://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/chengdu-j-20-could-enter-service-by-2018-372082/ (http://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/chengdu-j-20-could-enter-service-by-2018-372082/)
Title: Re: Chinese stealth fighter update
Post by: MIGMaster on May 20, 2012, 03:52:46 PM
Looks great, but you can't touch the paint  ;)
Title: Re: Chinese stealth fighter update
Post by: mirth on May 20, 2012, 05:51:26 PM
Maybe we'll get lucky and find out they copied the oxygen system from the F-22.
Title: Re: Chinese stealth fighter update
Post by: LongBlade on May 20, 2012, 08:43:46 PM
Quote from: mirth on May 20, 2012, 05:51:26 PM
Maybe we'll get lucky and find out they copied the oxygen system from the F-22.

Nice.
Title: Re: Chinese stealth fighter update
Post by: Gusington on May 21, 2012, 01:02:04 PM
The day that a J-20 sneaks under US radar and is able to buzz American airspace is the day I eat my hat.
Title: Re: Chinese stealth fighter update
Post by: besilarius on May 21, 2012, 05:54:12 PM
Hmm, Gus. 
You're in good company.  Reichsmarschall Herman Goering said that if Berlin were ever bombed, you could call him Mayer.
Maybe a group photo of you and Herman.  He could be getting raspberries, while you apply Hoisin sauce to your chapeau.
Title: Re: Chinese stealth fighter update
Post by: Staggerwing on May 21, 2012, 06:09:07 PM
Don't do it Guss! Not on your chappy! Remember what happened to those guys on Amazon who put some kind of cream stuff on their bells&clappers!!! Chinese creams and sauces are probably worse due to all the MSG!
Title: Re: Chinese stealth fighter update
Post by: Gusington on May 21, 2012, 09:20:14 PM
Goering was an obese drug addict. That is not good company!! My hat stays on my head.
Title: Re: Chinese stealth fighter update
Post by: Keunert on May 22, 2012, 02:57:12 AM
and he wasn't too much into jews.
particulary the new york woody allen intelligenzia jew branch.
He is said to have walked out of Zelig.
Title: Re: Chinese stealth fighter update
Post by: MIGMaster on May 22, 2012, 08:37:53 AM
Quote from: Gusington on May 21, 2012, 09:20:14 PM
Goering was an obese drug addict. That is not good company!! My hat stays on my head.

Gus you forgot the cowardly sociopath part.
Title: Re: Chinese stealth fighter update
Post by: Gusington on May 22, 2012, 10:01:00 AM
Was Goering a cowardly sociopath?
Title: Re: Chinese stealth fighter update
Post by: LongBlade on May 22, 2012, 11:52:55 AM
Quote from: Gusington on May 22, 2012, 10:01:00 AM
Was Goering a cowardly sociopath?

I thought the entire Nazi leadership was pretty much cowardly and psychopathic. Goering may have been the exception - I can't remember his war record in WWI.
Title: Re: Chinese stealth fighter update
Post by: mirth on May 22, 2012, 12:01:38 PM
His record in WWI was rather notable. I believe he flew in Richtoffen's unit and was regarded for his skill as a pilot. His weight gain and drug addiction came on after he was shot during the Beer Hall Putsch. Not to excuse him and his actions as a Nazi, but I think a lot his issues were related to the morphine addiction.
Title: Re: Chinese stealth fighter update
Post by: Gusington on May 22, 2012, 12:25:38 PM
^That's correct, Goering was a lot of things. But cowardly? Well, not in his younger years.
Title: Re: Chinese stealth fighter update
Post by: Centurion40 on May 22, 2012, 01:06:01 PM
Perhaps he was a coward who flew on Liquid Courage?  Somehow, I doubt it.


FYI, Liquid Courage:

(https://www.grogheads.com/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fcdn.mintees.com.s3.amazonaws.com%2Ffiles%2Ftees%2F3%2F345289%2F800x400-liquid-courage-mint-tees.jpg&hash=7952bb2f5154484221cf0a65fb9a87590c01e0b0)
Title: Re: Chinese stealth fighter update
Post by: Gusington on May 22, 2012, 01:16:52 PM
From what I've read about him, he was fine and dandy until he got involved with the Nazis. It all started to go downhill in the mid-1920s.
Title: Re: Chinese stealth fighter update
Post by: besilarius on May 22, 2012, 05:26:04 PM
In World War I, he was a good enough pilot to get into Richtofen's Flying Circus, and after the Red Baron's death, the command was given to him.
The knock on him, was that he was too aggressive.
Richtofen built up a formidable cadre of aces.  He husbanded them and kept the unit effective, even through the regular losses you would expect for the fire engine unit.  It was always sent to the danerous area, and had a lot of attrition.
Under Goering, the unit was fought too aggressively, and he burned it out.
You could argue that he never really changed his appreciation from that of a squadron leader.  Even as head of the Luftwaffe, whenever he got involved, it was usually a bad choice that he made.
Title: Re: Chinese stealth fighter update
Post by: MIGMaster on May 22, 2012, 08:34:35 PM
Quote from: Gusington on May 22, 2012, 12:25:38 PM
^That's correct, Goering was a lot of things. But cowardly? Well, not in his younger years.

Not in his younger years, but as the war progressed he became  a cowering brown-noser. I wish I could remember where I read that. It was a really humorous and well-written paragraph in a book about the Eastern Front
Title: Re: Chinese stealth fighter update
Post by: Keunert on May 23, 2012, 04:05:08 AM
so you lot come to the conclusion that one of the leading nazi massmurderers was on average a rather fine chap?

What about Himmler? was he mislead and lied to by Hitler and probably a little naive? but a heart of gold?
Title: Re: Chinese stealth fighter update
Post by: Staggerwing on May 23, 2012, 06:43:53 AM
If you guys are looking for a scrap of virtue you're discussing the wrong Goering:

Albert Goering (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_G%C3%B6ring#Anti-Nazi_activity) (brother of Hermann)

More than just a scrap. There's been talk of adding his name to the Garden of the Righteous Among the Nations at the Yad Vashem Memorial.
Title: Re: Chinese stealth fighter update
Post by: LongBlade on May 23, 2012, 07:58:35 AM
Quote from: Keunert on May 23, 2012, 04:05:08 AM
so you lot come to the conclusion that one of the leading nazi massmurderers was on average a rather fine chap?

What about Himmler? was he mislead and lied to by Hitler and probably a little naive? but a heart of gold?

No, that's not what we're saying at. Merely discussing whether everyone in the leadership was cowardly. Apparently there was an exception.
Title: Re: Chinese stealth fighter update
Post by: Shelldrake on May 23, 2012, 10:13:07 AM
Quote from: Staggerwing on May 23, 2012, 06:43:53 AM
If you guys are looking for a scrap of virtue you're discussing the wrong Goering:

Albert Goering (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_G%C3%B6ring#Anti-Nazi_activity) (brother of Hermann)

More than just a scrap. There's been talk of adding his name to the Garden of the Righteous Among the Nations at the Yad Vashem Memorial.

Interesting! I didn't know about Albert so thanks for thlink Staggerwing.
Title: Re: Chinese stealth fighter update
Post by: Centurion40 on May 23, 2012, 01:43:27 PM
Quote from: Shelldrake on May 23, 2012, 10:13:07 AM
Quote from: Staggerwing on May 23, 2012, 06:43:53 AM
If you guys are looking for a scrap of virtue you're discussing the wrong Goering:

Albert Goering (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_G%C3%B6ring#Anti-Nazi_activity) (brother of Hermann)

More than just a scrap. There's been talk of adding his name to the Garden of the Righteous Among the Nations at the Yad Vashem Memorial.

Interesting! I didn't know about Albert so thanks for thlink Staggerwing.

His life could make for an interesting movie.
Title: Re: Chinese stealth fighter update
Post by: Arctic Blast on May 23, 2012, 10:13:35 PM
Quote from: Shelldrake on May 23, 2012, 10:13:07 AM
Quote from: Staggerwing on May 23, 2012, 06:43:53 AM
If you guys are looking for a scrap of virtue you're discussing the wrong Goering:

Albert Goering (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_G%C3%B6ring#Anti-Nazi_activity) (brother of Hermann)

More than just a scrap. There's been talk of adding his name to the Garden of the Righteous Among the Nations at the Yad Vashem Memorial.

Interesting! I didn't know about Albert so thanks for thlink Staggerwing.

I'll admit that I didn't even know of the man's existence prior to reading that. Really interesting.
Title: Re: Chinese stealth fighter update
Post by: Staggerwing on May 24, 2012, 05:53:49 AM
Quote from: Arctic Blast on May 23, 2012, 10:13:35 PM
I'll admit that I didn't even know of the man's existence prior to reading that. Really interesting.

That's what's so sad about his story. Instead of embracing him and his actions postwar German society shunned him because of his name. He died almost unknown.