Greetings
My apologies if this is the wrong forum for this. And I also apologize becasue this is going to be a lot of rambling, but none of my friends are gamers.
I'm new to this site, but I lurk a lot! O0
You folks are entertaining, informative and have helped me out a lot. Ok, enough gushing over you and this forum. :smitten:
I've been gaming since 94'-95', however, most of it has been MMO's. UO, EQ, WOW, etc....etc... I've done very little gaming, comparatively speaking to MMO's/RPG's, in the world war 2 genre, and it's kind of funny, since I LOVE the era. I consider myself a "nerd" when it comes to equipment, tactics, battles fought, etc....but I never really got into WW2 PC or board gaming.
PC games I've tried....
1)The Battle Academy series. Fun little game, but I found myself bored after a few hours. It's seems cartoon'ish and simplistic. I just can't seem to play it anymore.
2)Panzer Corps/General. Even more simple than Battle Academy, however, it's a nice game for a time killer (however, I find myself rather doing yard work than playing a simple time killer PC game...and I HATE yard work).
3)Steel Pathers.....just cannot get past the top down Atari 2600 graphics. Tried playing it again recently and I uninstalled it several minutes later :-\
4)John Tiller Campaign Series....I bought this several years ago and honestly, I felt it a chore. This is on me.....I'm not a patient gamer. I want to blame this on my MMO's...clicky...clicky...button mash..clicky....clicky..for years.
5)Combat Mission: Fortress Italy DEMO....I want to like this game, I REALLY do, but after trying it out for a couple hours, I got frustrated and uninstalled it. Did I mention how much I want to love this game? It's absolutely gorgeous. I like pretty graphics....thanks highly detailed MMO graphics....thanks for ruining it for me! :tickedoff:
There have been a few others, but nothing worth mentioning, really.
I've tried my hand at some board games, mainly Conflict of Heroes. I like it, but truthfully, I can't get into board games. Not sure why. Maybe I haven't given it much of a chance. Not sure I'm a fan of cardboard counters. It's the visuals, again I'm afraid. I like miniatures, but the time to paint them isn't appealing and I have no one to game with. There are some gaming groups where I live, but no one plays rules I like. And, I'm not a social creature. I prefer solitude to crowds.
I just had a 5 day weekend and maybe it's the weather here (Seattle.....85 degrees!!!) but I found myself washing the car, reading some RA Salvatore (read a book and a half in 4 days...I've NEVER done that before :uglystupid2:), walked the dog...a lot, etc....
I tried about 10 to 12 games I have on my PC/Steam account. Some, I fired up for the first time. I don't think I played anything for more than 15 minutes and I found myself uninspired.
I'm wondering if gaming isn't for me? I want to love it, but I just can't find anything out there that is inspiring any passion in me. Maybe I'm trying too hard?
Part of my problem is two fold. I like pretty graphics (not a strong argument for liking a good war game....I hate counter style art) and my patience is minimal....a buzz kill for getting into any game with a semblance of a learning curve (Combat Mission games).
Thinking I should just walk away. I'm not sure I'll ever find what I'm looking for in war gaming, or any form of gaming for that matter.
I know I should like war gaming, but nothing really inspires me. Honestly, this kind of bums me out :'(
Looking at Hearts of Iron 4, but with my ADD-like lack of patience and somewhat disturbing need for pretty graphics, I think I'm screwed.
Sorry for the rambling but I'm wondering if someone here has/is going through the same experience and what it turned out for them. I can't go back to my roots. I have lost all passion I had for MMO gaming and sitting in a chair for hours on end is not only hurting my back, but I just can't do it anymore.
My poor fiancee' had to listen to me and her simple response was "go outside more" :2funny: O0 I think she might have nailed it on the head!
Thanks for reading my ramblings.
Love this forum and thank you all for your wisdom.
Matrix' adaptation of Conflict of Heroes has some pretty visuals.
http://www.matrixgames.com/products/473/details/Conflict.of.Heroes:.Storms.of.Steel
http://www.matrixgames.com/products/424/details/Conflict.of.Heroes:.Awakening.the.Bear!
Yup, saw those games a while ago. Thought about picking them up. Wish they had the ability to mod those two games.
Might pick those up when/if they ever go one sale.
What about
Ultimate General Gettysburg?
It has groovey graphics, is all smooth flowing and easy to get into and play.
Vietnam '65?
Its a very visual boardgame style game, where you're not really smashing troop counters together, more like orchestrating some bigger zone control and supply missions..
Hegemony: the Rise of Caesar?
It is a smooth looking, faster paced game - with good visuals and combat..
R.U.S.E.?Tis old, but a good one. A bit of a looker, good for timed orchestration.. zoom in and out.. forerunner of the Wargame series (which may also be worth a look-see)
Unity of Command?It's a hex and chit game, but really, its a very polished turn based game - but with some excellent supply and breakthrough mechanics..
Anyway, just some ideas...
Thanks Spelk
Unity of Command looks interesting. RUSE does too. The others aren't WW2, but again, thanks!
How about World in Conflict? That's a very nice-looking game, doesn't require a lot of studying the manual.
Company of Heroes or COH 2?
Its been recommended to you in the past.
Men of War Assault Squad 1 or 2. Just shut up and try it, dude.
Its beautiful. Its fast paced and heavy on action and carnage. Its clicky, but not too clicky so it will appeal to your MMORPG senses. It incorporates realistic concepts, but nothing too realistic. It has Common Wealth, German, American, Russian and Japanese OOBs, diverse maps and impressive TO&Es. Mods. Its got lots of mods. Its dirt f*%king cheap.
What are you waiting for?
Quote from: Jarhead0331 on April 20, 2016, 01:24:56 PM
Its been recommended to you in the past.
Men of War Assault Squad 1 or 2. Just shut up and try it, dude.
Its beautiful. Its fast paced and heavy on action and carnage. Its clicky, but not too clicky so it will appeal to your MMORPG senses. It incorporates realistic concepts, but nothing too realistic. It has Common Wealth, German, American, Russian and Japanese OOBs, diverse maps and impressive TO&Es. Mods. Its got lots of mods. Its dirt f*%king cheap.
What are you waiting for?
Ok, ok....I will! :-[
And you better enjoy it :knuppel2:
Quote from: acctingman on April 20, 2016, 01:40:42 PM
Quote from: Jarhead0331 on April 20, 2016, 01:24:56 PM
Its been recommended to you in the past.
Men of War Assault Squad 1 or 2. Just shut up and try it, dude.
Its beautiful. Its fast paced and heavy on action and carnage. Its clicky, but not too clicky so it will appeal to your MMORPG senses. It incorporates realistic concepts, but nothing too realistic. It has Common Wealth, German, American, Russian and Japanese OOBs, diverse maps and impressive TO&Es. Mods. Its got lots of mods. Its dirt f*%king cheap.
What are you waiting for?
Ok, ok....I will! :-[
Don't do buy it yet. I may have a spare copy in my steam account. I'll gift it to you if its there.
Quote from: acctingman on April 20, 2016, 01:14:04 PM
The others aren't WW2, but again, thanks!
After a while at it, you'll realise that wargaming encompasses all wars, and the ones that really stand out tend to be the ones that aren't following the tired formula of presenting WWII again.. nothing wrong with WWII games, I love 'em, but you should try the musket era, or something ancient, or japanese, or a good civil war or two, or perhaps a really obscure colonial defense in the heart of Zulu country. ;)
Some of the more involved WWII games are coming to the forefront graphically speaking these days, but they do often require quite a bit of patience and tenacity to learn their intricacies. Graviteam Mius Front, for example. But there are a bucket of older titles, that could well fit the bill Panzer Command: Ost Front, or Germany at War: Barbarossa 1941, Close Combat.. The Few, Men of War stuff...
I suppose if you want easy on the eye, and ease of play Company of Heroes, Victory at Sea, Atlantic Fleet, Sid Meier's Ace Patrol: Pacific Skies.. War Thunder, World of Tanks, Battlestations Pacific.. etc... (not all strictly wargames, but maybe games about war).
Spelk
Thank you. Some serious food for thought.
JarHead, thank you (very kind of you) but I already got it. Used a Steam gift card I had for Xmas :)
Expanding on what Spelk said, I have been curious about the strategy genre. A game like Civ 5 or similar has peak my interest, but again, I struggle with the patience thing :uglystupid2:
Something like a Civ 5 game set in the Tolkien realm would I for sure would try!
Maybe I have exhausted my WW2 gaming needs and have to branch out. Who wuddya thunk it! :crazy2:
Quoted myself for extra special effects! :uglystupid2:
Sorry
Quote from: acctingman on April 20, 2016, 02:34:53 PM
Expanding on what Spelk said, I have been curious about the strategy genre. A game like Civ 5 or similar has peak my interest, but again, I struggle with the patience thing :uglystupid2:
Something like a Civ 5 game set in the Tolkien realm would I for sure would try!
Maybe I have exhausted my WW2 gaming needs and have to branch out. Who wuddya thunk it! :crazy2:
There is a CivV mod for everything, including LOTR ;)
Here's a couple links and I'm sure there must be more just a Google away
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=257882191
http://civilization.wikia.com/wiki/Lord_of_the_Rings_(Civ5)
Quote from: steve58 on April 20, 2016, 02:42:35 PM
Quote from: acctingman on April 20, 2016, 02:34:53 PM
Expanding on what Spelk said, I have been curious about the strategy genre. A game like Civ 5 or similar has peak my interest, but again, I struggle with the patience thing :uglystupid2:
Something like a Civ 5 game set in the Tolkien realm would I for sure would try!
Maybe I have exhausted my WW2 gaming needs and have to branch out. Who wuddya thunk it! :crazy2:
There is a CivV mod for everything, including LOTR ;)
Here's a couple links and I'm sure there must be more just a Google away
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=257882191
http://civilization.wikia.com/wiki/Lord_of_the_Rings_(Civ5)
Very interesting!!!
Thanks steve
It's important when playing R.U.S.E. to ignore the fact that it's called R.U.S.E. :buck2:
Quote from: JasonPratt on April 20, 2016, 03:21:36 PM
It's important when playing R.U.S.E. to ignore the fact that it's called R.U.S.E. :buck2:
I'd just jump straight to recommending
Wargame: AirLand Battle and
Wargame: Red Dragon instead of that older thing.
They may not be WW2, but he should expand outwards anyway. Especially when looking for such pretty & clicky games with tons of military equipment to play with.
So, what makes you think you should love wargames? I'm not saying you shouldn't, but you seem to want to like them as a concept, but the nature of wargames seems to be opposite of what you actually enjoy playing. There's nothing at all wrong with that.
Also, not being a wargamer doesn't mean that you aren't a gamer of some sort. If you keep finding that the type of games you think that you should like aren't doing it for you, stop wasting your time and go find some stuff that you do like. Go grab a CRPG, or an FPS game and give those a try. Try a platformer. There's a ton of other stuff out there.
I think it's pretty tough to be a wargamer if you don't have significant interests in military history and military science. Again, I'm not saying you don't, but I think it's worth asking yourself if those are real interests of yours. Being interested in those things isn't the same as being interested in weapons, or explody things, or intense action. Those kinds of things can happen or be important in wargames, but they aren't the primary focus. (Disclaimer: I'm referring to wargames in the context of the sort of games like Tiller and Battlefront games that acctingman said he's not enjoying as a form of shorthand. I'm NOT trying to open up the never ending debate about "what's a wargame?")
I'm pretty sure you can still hang out here even if it turns out you aren't really into wargames, too. :)
Quote from: panzerde on April 20, 2016, 06:00:52 PM
I'm pretty sure you can still hang out here even if it turns out you aren't really into wargames, too. :)
It's true. I wouldn't know a wargame if it fell on me and they let me stay. Of course, the deal is I have to clean up after Goatfury, mirth, and Gus, but, I wouldn't mind sharing the chores :)
Quote from: MetalDog on April 20, 2016, 07:25:42 PM
Of course, the deal is I have to clean up after Goatfury, mirth, and Gus, but, I wouldn't mind sharing the chores :)
Speaking of, I'm out of clean underwear.
Quote from: acctingman on April 20, 2016, 02:34:53 PM
Something like a Civ 5 game set in the Tolkien realm would I for sure would try!
There's a mod for it in the Steam Workshop, with several submods adding units, art etc... Have fun! O0
Quote from: mirth on April 20, 2016, 07:39:16 PM
Quote from: MetalDog on April 20, 2016, 07:25:42 PM
Of course, the deal is I have to clean up after Goatfury, mirth, and Gus, but, I wouldn't mind sharing the chores :)
Speaking of, I'm out of clean underwear.
How can you be out of something you don't own?
Quote from: MetalDog on April 20, 2016, 07:44:58 PM
Quote from: mirth on April 20, 2016, 07:39:16 PM
Quote from: MetalDog on April 20, 2016, 07:25:42 PM
Of course, the deal is I have to clean up after Goatfury, mirth, and Gus, but, I wouldn't mind sharing the chores :)
Speaking of, I'm out of clean underwear.
How can you be out of something you don't own?
Good point.
Gus is out of clean underwear.
Quote from: mirth on April 20, 2016, 07:46:13 PM
Quote from: MetalDog on April 20, 2016, 07:44:58 PM
Quote from: mirth on April 20, 2016, 07:39:16 PM
Quote from: MetalDog on April 20, 2016, 07:25:42 PM
Of course, the deal is I have to clean up after Goatfury, mirth, and Gus, but, I wouldn't mind sharing the chores :)
Speaking of, I'm out of clean underwear.
How can you be out of something you don't own?
Good point.
Gus is out of clean underwear.
Sounds like a job for.....Accounting Man!!!
Is there a way to get the LoTR mod for Civ 5 if it wasn't purchased from Steam?
Bought it at a local Target for $9.99!
Thanks for the suggestions and panzerde.....your comments are appreciated. I never looked at my situation that way. I like ww2 videos.....seeing all the equipment, stats, etc....I thought that would mean I'd like ww2 games (some maybe, but not all of them)
Total shot in the dark but if you like Salvatore, why not try a Hack & Slash based on one of his books? I'm particularly thinking, "Icewind Dale" series. Great games and they're dirt cheap at Great Old Games. Both simple and pretty. Just a thought.
They are awesome. Own that and the BG series. Played them to death! O0
Quote from: acctingman on April 20, 2016, 09:14:06 PM
Is there a way to get the LoTR mod for Civ 5 if it wasn't purchased from Steam?
Bought it at a local Target for $9.99!
Thanks for the suggestions and panzerde.....your comments are appreciated. I never looked at my situation that way. I like ww2 videos.....seeing all the equipment, stats, etc....I thought that would mean I'd like ww2 games (some maybe, but not all of them)
here's a link to a dude who has LotR mods for Civ V and one of the download options
isn't Steam
http://forums.civfanatics.com/downloads.php?do=file&id=23089
there's also a ton of other mods available for all the Civ series at CivFanatics.
Quote from: panzerde on April 20, 2016, 06:00:52 PM
So, what makes you think you should love wargames? I'm not saying you shouldn't, but you seem to want to like them as a concept, but the nature of wargames seems to be opposite of what you actually enjoy playing. There's nothing at all wrong with that.
Also, not being a wargamer doesn't mean that you aren't a gamer of some sort. If you keep finding that the type of games you think that you should like aren't doing it for you, stop wasting your time and go find some stuff that you do like. Go grab a CRPG, or an FPS game and give those a try. Try a platformer. There's a ton of other stuff out there.
I think it's pretty tough to be a wargamer if you don't have significant interests in military history and military science. Again, I'm not saying you don't, but I think it's worth asking yourself if those are real interests of yours. Being interested in those things isn't the same as being interested in weapons, or explody things, or intense action. Those kinds of things can happen or be important in wargames, but they aren't the primary focus. (Disclaimer: I'm referring to wargames in the context of the sort of games like Tiller and Battlefront games that acctingman said he's not enjoying as a form of shorthand. I'm NOT trying to open up the never ending debate about "what's a wargame?")
I'm pretty sure you can still hang out here even if it turns out you aren't really into wargames, too. :)
all of this, good post sir
dont try and fit your square peg in a round hole - hope you find what you need from the Civ 5 mod - i didnt know there was such a thing, sounds very appealing
ill second the wargame series too, airland battle and red dragon and now that you mention it i think it would be cool if they went back to WW2 knowing what they know now - releasing P51s over a bridge full of germans with the new engine would be awesome
Quote from: acctingman on April 20, 2016, 09:14:06 PM
Is there a way to get the LoTR mod for Civ 5 if it wasn't purchased from Steam?
Bought it at a local Target for $9.99!
Thanks for the suggestions and panzerde.....your comments are appreciated. I never looked at my situation that way. I like ww2 videos.....seeing all the equipment, stats, etc....I thought that would mean I'd like ww2 games (some maybe, but not all of them)
Pretty sure CivV is Steam-only, so what you bought at Target is probably just a box with a Steam code that'll let you download the CivV game. If you don't already have a Steam acct, you can easily set one up and its free. Then'll you also be able to access the CivV mods there as well.
Quote from: steve58 on April 21, 2016, 06:53:33 AM
Pretty sure CivV is Steam-only, so what you bought at Target is probably just a box with a Steam code that'll let you download the CivV game. If you don't already have a Steam acct, you can easily set one up and its free. Then'll you also be able to access the CivV mods there as well.
Nope - I've got a non-Steam version of Civ5 :D
Yeah, I've got a non-Steam version of all the Civs. O0
??? Now ya got me curious. Is the non-Steam version of Civ 5 a Mac version or did they make a non-Steam version for the PC?
Here's the PC Complete version (http://www.civilization5.com/complete/#buy). I still think you have to activate on Steam though.
Quote from: steve58 on April 21, 2016, 09:17:52 AM
??? Now ya got me curious. Is the non-Steam version of Civ 5 a Mac version or did they make a non-Steam version for the PC?
Obviously I have a Mac O0
Dunno about a PC version, tho
The ten best WW2 wargames on the PC article:
http://www.pcgamesn.com/war-thunder/the-10-best-world-war-2-pc-games
Quote from: rwenstrup on April 21, 2016, 06:44:08 PM
The ten best WW2 wargames on the PC article:
http://www.pcgamesn.com/war-thunder/the-10-best-world-war-2-pc-games
That is probably THE most worthless "best of" list I have ever seen.
Yeah unless you specifiy the genre of game with the setting. Youre list is going to...kinda suck
Quote from: glen55 on April 20, 2016, 01:24:49 PM
Company of Heroes or COH 2?
Free wee-kend (and sale) going on http://store.steampowered.com/app/231430/
Free week-end ends this Sunday at 1pm PST; sale ends on Monday at 10am PST.
As Nefaro and undercovergeek already suggested I would heartily recommend Wargame: Red Dragon.
It goes on sale on steam for roughly 75% off every couple months so it won't burn a hole in ye' old pocket if you decide you don't like it. At its core it's a great game though it certainly has its problems (anyone who's played it much knows the agony of the raging storm of SMERCH spam) but it's a solid, fun RTS with incredible replayability. I should know, I've somehow put nigh 1000 hours into it.
There is only one unavoidable problem in Red Dragon and that's it's player community. They can sometimes be rather how to put it politely....caustic. Still that won't stop you from enjoying it.
As for LOTR games, if you've ever played Crusader Kings II you might want to consider checking out the Middle Earth Project for it.
http://www.moddb.com/mods/ck2-middle-earth-project