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Title: What Ifs? in wargaming
Post by: Jamm on May 24, 2016, 06:31:11 PM
Hey Grogs,

What Ifs and alternate histories have always piqued my interest in wargaming.
I have a few in mind I'd like to embellish with OST, but what are some ideas that interest you guys?

Any scale, any battle and any eras, any thoughts?
Title: Re: What Ifs? in wargaming
Post by: bayonetbrant on May 24, 2016, 06:35:50 PM
Germany retains a controlling interest in the Middle East after WWI.

Pulp-era shootouts between post-Ottoman French Syria and British Jordan on one side, and Babylonian Germans on the other
Title: Re: What Ifs? in wargaming
Post by: GJK on May 24, 2016, 06:52:10 PM
Spain grants access to the Germans through its borders for an attack on Gibraltar.  With control of the Med, Hitler moves in bulk into Africa where he attempts to completely remove the Allies from the area.  With Africa secure, he then invades the mid-East and into Turkey where he then prepares for the assault on Russia through the Caucus area in an attempt to immediately gain oil supplies.
Title: Re: What Ifs? in wargaming
Post by: Uberhaus on May 24, 2016, 07:03:43 PM
Trotsky wins the power struggle with Stalin and becomes leader of the Soviet Union.  No officer purges in the 30's with Barbarossa occurring as normal.
Title: Re: What Ifs? in wargaming
Post by: bayonetbrant on May 24, 2016, 07:07:32 PM
Quote from: Uberhaus on May 24, 2016, 07:03:43 PM
Trotsky wins the power struggle with Stalin and becomes leader of the Soviet Union.  No officer purges in the 30's with Barbarossa occurring as normal.


ooooh, that's good
Title: Re: What Ifs? in wargaming
Post by: Staggerwing on May 24, 2016, 07:10:06 PM
Martian tripods with beam and gas weapons versus an ad-hoc early-post-capitulation mix of Canadian armored infantry and 'seconded' German troops in the Scheldt estuary.
Title: Re: What Ifs? in wargaming
Post by: GJK on May 24, 2016, 07:14:45 PM
France and/or England provides various levels of support to the CSW during the ACW- either in arms and materials or in arms, materials and manpower.
Title: Re: What Ifs? in wargaming
Post by: Barthheart on May 24, 2016, 07:22:07 PM
The French have machine guns at Agincourt.

Napoleon has B-52s at the Battle of Waterloo.

Eleanor Roosevelt can fly in 1941.
Title: Re: What Ifs? in wargaming
Post by: Staggerwing on May 24, 2016, 07:28:08 PM
Czechoslovakia resists in 1938 and sends it's few LT vz. 38 (aka Pz38t) tanks up against the more numerous early German weenie-panzers.
Title: Re: What Ifs? in wargaming
Post by: GJK on May 24, 2016, 07:31:11 PM
Quote from: Staggerwing on May 24, 2016, 07:28:08 PM
Czechoslovakia resists in 1938 and sends it's few LT vz. 38 (aka Pz38t) tanks up against the more numerous early German weenie-panzers.

There's an ASL scenario for that already IIRC.  :)
Title: Re: What Ifs? in wargaming
Post by: Barthheart on May 24, 2016, 07:31:42 PM
The British, after defeating Napolean at Waterloo, mount a full on invasion of the US from Upper Canada in retaliation for its earlier invasion.
Title: Re: What Ifs? in wargaming
Post by: Barthheart on May 24, 2016, 07:36:58 PM
ChiComs, seeing weakness when the Berlin Wall falls, invade Siberia for the resources.
Title: Re: What Ifs? in wargaming
Post by: Staggerwing on May 24, 2016, 07:55:26 PM
(1) After taking down Norway the Germans decide to use the ancient 'Konung's Weg' route from Jarvik into northern Sweden in order to gain control of the strategic iron mines before the Allies can persuade the Swedes to stop exports to Germany.

(2)The Soviets transit a pacified Northern Finland and descend into the Swedish iron ore territories in order to not only cut off Germany from the vital raw material but also gain it for themselves.
Title: Re: What Ifs? in wargaming
Post by: MetalDog on May 24, 2016, 10:43:23 PM
If Subutai and Batu had stayed in Europe rather than go back to Mongolia after Ogedei's death to elect a new Khan.
Title: Re: What Ifs? in wargaming
Post by: bob48 on May 25, 2016, 06:45:30 AM
The period from 1864 to 1871 is pretty neglected, so some games that deal with the war against Denmark, The 7 week war and the France-Prussian war would be good. Also, how about the land part of the Russo-Japanese war of 1904-05?
Title: Re: What Ifs? in wargaming
Post by: Pinetree on May 25, 2016, 07:27:55 AM
The Gallipoli Campaign was successful and knocked Turkey out of WW1 and allowed the Entente to directly help Russia..
Title: Re: What Ifs? in wargaming
Post by: mirth on May 25, 2016, 08:22:38 AM
What if I hadn't rolled a '1' with Sheridan's division at Stone's River
Title: Re: What Ifs? in wargaming
Post by: MetalDog on May 25, 2016, 09:41:04 PM
You might still be riding?
Title: Re: What Ifs? in wargaming
Post by: Wes on May 26, 2016, 01:55:34 AM
I like this place when I'm needing inspiration:

http://althistory.wikia.com/wiki/Alternative_History:List_of_Althists
Title: Re: What Ifs? in wargaming
Post by: nht on May 26, 2016, 10:12:59 PM
Quote from: Jamm on May 24, 2016, 06:31:11 PM
Hey Grogs,

What Ifs and alternate histories have always piqued my interest in wargaming.
I have a few in mind I'd like to embellish with OST, but what are some ideas that interest you guys?

Any scale, any battle and any eras, any thoughts?

I've always been interested in some of the "what-ifs" regarding the potential for conflict between the Western Allies and the Soviets in Central and Eastern Europe in the immediate post-war years. I think Panzer Grenadier has a few modules covering this, but it seems like a scenario in which you might find some fascinating combinations of national forces on the battlefield.
Title: Re: What Ifs? in wargaming
Post by: besilarius on May 26, 2016, 10:39:45 PM
If the Armee du Norde of Waterloo had the wings reversed.
So that D'Erlon and Reille fought Blucher at Ligny, and Vandamme and Gerard fought Wellington at Quatre Bras and Waterloo.

And of course, every francophile's wet dream, if Davout had not been left in Paris.
Title: Re: What Ifs? in wargaming
Post by: bayonetbrant on May 27, 2016, 05:55:09 AM
Quote from: nht on May 26, 2016, 10:12:59 PMI've always been interested in some of the "what-ifs" regarding the potential for conflict between the Western Allies and the Soviets in Central and Eastern Europe in the immediate post-war years. I think Panzer Grenadier has a few modules covering this, but it seems like a scenario in which you might find some fascinating combinations of national forces on the battlefield.

There was a scenario for Lock 'n Load: Band of Heroes called "Ein Freund in Not" that had US & Germans fighting the Russians post-WWII, but it was just a single scenario
Title: Re: What Ifs? in wargaming
Post by: nht on June 10, 2016, 10:22:58 PM
Quote from: bayonetbrant on May 27, 2016, 05:55:09 AM
Quote from: nht on May 26, 2016, 10:12:59 PMI've always been interested in some of the "what-ifs" regarding the potential for conflict between the Western Allies and the Soviets in Central and Eastern Europe in the immediate post-war years. I think Panzer Grenadier has a few modules covering this, but it seems like a scenario in which you might find some fascinating combinations of national forces on the battlefield.

There was a scenario for Lock 'n Load: Band of Heroes called "Ein Freund in Not" that had US & Germans fighting the Russians post-WWII, but it was just a single scenario

Yeah, Panzer Grenadier seems to be the best bet for that kind of thing... but I'm not certain I want to go down that rabbit hole of expensive, OOP module dependencies, etc.

In fact, I'm certain that I don't want to do that. Though I'm leaning more and more towards picking up one of the new 4th edition boxes. Broken Axis looks intriguing.
Title: Re: What Ifs? in wargaming
Post by: MengJiao on June 13, 2016, 02:00:24 PM
Quote from: bayonetbrant on May 24, 2016, 07:07:32 PM
Quote from: Uberhaus on May 24, 2016, 07:03:43 PM
Trotsky wins the power struggle with Stalin and becomes leader of the Soviet Union.  No officer purges in the 30's with Barbarossa occurring as normal.


ooooh, that's good

  The Taiping Rebellion succeeded and:
a) Chinese Gordon died in China (sparing the Muahdi some hearbreak)
b) A progressive, democratic, Guadongish China emerged and Crushed Japan in 1898 -- Remember the TiChiang!  and to Hell with Japan!
c) Tsarist Russia is spared defeat by Japan and becomes a vast, Liberal Empire
d) as do the Rump of China, the Mess of Japan and the Cosmic Greatness of India (with Pakistan still attached!)
e) Roosevelt doesn't get Polio because he is visiting Shanghai and Bankok in the late 1920s