Well, so they say. I wonder what the soldiers on the ground think?
http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/iraqi-commander-fallujah-fully-liberated-40137592
It's not like victory hasn't been pronounced before while the battle continues to rage.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Saipan#Aftermath
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Iwo_Jima#Northern_Iwo_Jima (Read the end of this section)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cursed_soldiers
Even more strangely...
http://www.japantoday.com/category/arts-culture/view/how-japanese-soldiers-helped-the-british-in-1944-java-conflict
We've liberated Fallujah about 8 times now since 2003. At this point, I'm fine if we just level the f'n' place and not have to liberate it anymore.
Quote from: bayonetbrant on June 27, 2016, 12:19:46 PM
We've liberated Fallujah about 8 times now since 2003. At this point, I'm fine if we just level the f'n' place and not have to liberate it anymore.
On the other hand, this time it was actually the Iraqis who did the liberating (with our heavy support in air, intel, etc.).
As if civilians in Iraq could not just be civilians but have to be either with (pro-)NATO forces or against them. That attitude has really hardened.
Based on past experience, it will probably take time before the city can be inhabited in a normal fashion again, as IS likes to leave boobytraps all over the place.
QuoteEven more strangely...
http://www.japantoday.com/category/arts-culture/view/how-japanese-soldiers-helped-the-british-in-1944-java-conflict
The Japanese had actively encouraged anti-Dutch propaganda throughout the occupation of the DEI, and many insurgents could use Japanese weapons and sometimes even Japanese instructors during their fight with the Dutch.
A "relatively peaceful" occupation still meant the Dutch were locked away in camps. Not the POW forced labour camps on the Asiatic continent, but still camps. They remained there after the surrender of the Japanese, for their own safety as Dutch troops could not get to the DEI in strength until 1946.
I wonder how "full of praise" the Dutch citizens truly were. Although the situation in that area might not have been so bad that they hated the Japanese, being confined to camps wasn't pleasant.
Quote from: ComradeP on June 27, 2016, 01:37:02 PM
As if civilians in Iraq could not just be civilians but have to be either with (pro-)NATO forces or against them. That attitude has really hardened.
Based on past experience, it will probably take time before the city can be inhabited in a normal fashion again, as IS likes to leave boobytraps all over the place.
QuoteEven more strangely...
http://www.japantoday.com/category/arts-culture/view/how-japanese-soldiers-helped-the-british-in-1944-java-conflict
The Japanese had actively encouraged anti-Dutch propaganda throughout the occupation of the DEI, and many insurgents could use Japanese weapons and sometimes even Japanese instructors during their fight with the Dutch.
A "relatively peaceful" occupation still meant the Dutch were locked away in camps. Not the POW forced labour camps on the Asiatic continent, but still camps. They remained there after the surrender of the Japanese, for their own safety as Dutch troops could not get to the DEI in strength until 1946.
I wonder how "full of praise" the Dutch citizens truly were. Although the situation in that area might not have been so bad that they hated the Japanese, being confined to camps wasn't pleasant.
I agree with all you say.
I just put the link in to show the irony that when hostilities were supposed to have ended in the area, even currently active enemies - the British and Japanese, closed ranks to face off Sukarno as fighting was continuing in "peaceful" area.
Quote from: Airborne Rifles on June 27, 2016, 01:28:43 PM
Quote from: bayonetbrant on June 27, 2016, 12:19:46 PM
We've liberated Fallujah about 8 times now since 2003. At this point, I'm fine if we just level the f'n' place and not have to liberate it anymore.
On the other hand, this time it was actually the Iraqis who did the liberating (with our heavy support in air, intel, etc.).
they supposedly did it the first time, before the contractors were strung up outside of town on the overpass.
Very different context this time around. Then we were trying to pacify Iraq. Now the Iraqi's are in effect fighting a proxy war for us.
Quote from: Airborne Rifles on June 27, 2016, 03:04:08 PM
Very different context this time around. Then we were trying to pacify Iraq. Now the Iraqi's are in effect fighting a proxy war for us.
that's a fair difference
Quote from: Airborne Rifles on June 27, 2016, 03:04:08 PM
Very different context this time around. Then we were trying to pacify Iraq. Now the Iraqi's are in effect fighting a proxy war for us.
about fucking time.
And this time they didn't run away after throwing our kit on the ground for ISIS to pick up and use! Progress!
ISIS fighters decided to try to flee Falujah in a big fat juicy convoy. Results were...predictable:
http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/30/middleeast/iraq-militants-airstrike/index.html (http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/30/middleeast/iraq-militants-airstrike/index.html)
Three hundred times 72 equals a lot of Virgins.
Some of them may have to shift gender roles for priority cases... :knuppel2:
Quote from: JasonPratt on July 02, 2016, 10:11:56 AM
Some of them may have to shift gender roles for priority cases... :knuppel2:
Or even species of mammal...
... if you have to spend a whole eternity in a promised paradise, only 72 virgins is a very bad deal anyway. ...stupid Muslims O0
With my luck, they'd all be 'On-the-Rag' at the same time.
They struck back in Baghdad. 250 dead
http://edition.cnn.com/2016/07/04/middleeast/iraq-baghdad-death-knocks/
I hope this is legit
http://americanmilitarynews.com/2016/08/iraqi-woman-shoots-dead-isis-commander-that-once-made-her-a-sex-slave-2/
WOW
Quote from: bayonetbrant on August 25, 2016, 07:59:33 AM
I hope this is legit
http://americanmilitarynews.com/2016/08/iraqi-woman-shoots-dead-isis-commander-that-once-made-her-a-sex-slave-2/
A happy ending to a bad experience. :-\ Good riddance to the bastar*! :knuppel2: