No, I did not read the article. No, I don't care what they put first. I just figured there were enough of you on here that you would enjoy ranking your order against theirs. In the end, it's all moot really because KHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANNNN!
http://www.comicbookresources.com/article/ranking-every-star-trek-movie-from-worst-to-best
Any list that doesn't put Star Trek V last is just plain wrong.
Then you should tell them. Loudly. Constantly. And all over the internet. It's your right, nay, DUTY, as a Star Trek nerd, to do exactly that!
Nah. I'll just post some more pun memes. It's very therapeutic.
The needs of the many out-weigh the needs of the few, or the one. :P
Quote from: mirth on July 05, 2016, 08:42:38 PM
Nah. I'll just post some more pun memes. It's very therapeutic.
Now you're just being mean. :P
Quote from: mirth on July 05, 2016, 08:03:38 PM
Any list that doesn't put Star Trek V last is just plain wrong.
Any list that includes that new "Trek Wars" crap is just plain wrong.
Quote from: mirth on July 05, 2016, 08:03:38 PM
Any list that doesn't put Star Trek:Nemesis last is just plain wrong.
I fixed your post for you. You can thank me later.
Now the clickbait is, ranking 39 characters from all five canon shows from worst to first:
http://www.msn.com/en-us/tv/gallery/all-39-%E2%80%98star-trek%E2%80%99-main-characters-ranked-from-spock-to-wesley/ss-BBuAntL?li=BBnb2gh&ocid=mailsignout#image=1
Ah, good ol' clickbait.
Lord, I had forgotten how bland the Enterprise crew was.
Well, Mr. Crusher is worst. As I am sure everyone would agree. Number one (and I don't mean Riker), however, is certainly debatable.
Scotty's ranked 12th?! Behind Odo and Kira Nerys?! That's some bullshit!
I have to stop falling for these clickbait rankings. They angry up the blood.
How did you like the person they put number one?
Go through this one and tell me what's wrong
http://www.msn.com/en-us/movies/gallery/star-trek-movies-where-are-they-now/ss-BButniy
A little more Star Trek history:
http://www.msn.com/en-us/tv/news/how-lucille-ball-saved-star-trek/ar-BBu6app
Quote from: mirth on July 21, 2016, 08:37:01 PM
Go through this one and tell me what's wrong
http://www.msn.com/en-us/movies/gallery/star-trek-movies-where-are-they-now/ss-BButniy
Michael Dorn looks suspiciously like Levar Burton?
^That, in my infinite nerd-dom, I actually new.
Quote from: MetalDog on July 21, 2016, 08:40:31 PM
Quote from: mirth on July 21, 2016, 08:37:01 PM
Go through this one and tell me what's wrong
http://www.msn.com/en-us/movies/gallery/star-trek-movies-where-are-they-now/ss-BButniy
Michael Dorn looks suspiciously like Levar Burton?
Lol, yes. And vice-versa.
Not the worst list. Well reasoned.
I'd put TMP and Final Frontier lower. Undiscovered Country one higher.
Really, my list..
1. Wrath of Khan (of course)
2. Undiscovered Country
3. Voyage Home
4. First Contact
5. Star Trek (09)
6 Search for Spock
----Bad Films Below-----
7. Generations
8. Insurrection
9. Into Darkness
10. Nemesis
11. Final Frontier
12. The Motion Picture
^ Star Trek means so many different things to people and that's why when people rank the movies there is never much agreement.
That said, TMP in last place at #12? Are you kidding me?!? [/nerd rage] ;D
And Undiscovered Country at #2? Inconceivable!
We may have to throw SirAndrewD into water and see if he floats. >:D
I think we've had this nerd-gument in other threads here, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't revisit it every six months! :D
With regards to the movies - Star Trek V is easily the worst. Period. Nemesis is very close. The best are of course Wrath of Khan (natch) and I think First Contact is up there, too. I don't get the hate for the new 'reboot' Star Trek...only because I was firmly in that camp when it first came out, and didn't see it in the theater, but when I did I really liked how they did things. As for Into Darkness, it grew on me a little. I like Benedict and he can certainly play an intense character like Khan as well as Ricardo could back in the day. (Though Ricardo still beats him side-by-side.) I've heard a resounding 'meh' from the Internet on this latest Star Trek film, but I'm wanting to see it in the theater since I've not seen one there, yet (didn't see Into Darkness in the theater, either).
As for characters, I can't get on the Wesley Hate Bandwagon...couldn't then, can't now. Sure, he was annoying, but one thing you need to keep in mind is that those first two seasons were PAINFUL. Rehashes of old OS storylines with a flash of brilliance here and there, though not many. Not even Q left a good impression in those first two episodes of Season 1. My friends (yes, they were nerds too, and probably still are if I'm any indication of that) all hated Wesley's guts. I think my lack of hate for Wes comes from having a lot of respect for Wil as an actor and a self-depreciating kind of guy. Anyone that doesn't take themselves too seriously is good in my book. But even back in 1988-89, I gave the whole show a LOT of slack because while it was PAINFUL (yes, all caps), it still had those flashes that kept me engaged. (See what I did there? "Engage"d? HA! Sigh. :-\ )
I really liked the Hoshi Sato character. I didn't see her as "a poor man's Uhura" like the article says with dripping hipster arrogance. Enterprise wasn't really that bad a series; the writing wasn't as good as the later years of ST:TNG nor DS9, but it was serviceable and entertaining. The theme song sucked Gorn balls, though. (Ha! More nerd references!)
B'Elanna was a great character! F*ck you, article. Though, her eyes don't line up and that's a little odd.
Yar should easily have been in last place of that list.
The Doctor should have been MUCH closer to the top.
But whatever. It's just my opinion(s) and it's the Internet, so I know even less than Jon Snow. (BAZINGA!)
Quote from: Banzai_Cat on July 22, 2016, 08:03:37 AM
As for characters, I can't get on the Wesley Hate Bandwagon...couldn't then, can't now.
You were doing just fine til this point. Now you're getting the float test too.
I think we're gonna need a bigger lake.
It's a fair cop, but society's to blame!
I liked the one where Kirk found-out Khan was really his Father. Oh, wait. That wasn't Star Trek. My Bad. :idiot2:
Just got back from seeing Star Trek: Beyond with my kids. I thought it was great. Maybe not as good as the first one, but still very enjoyable.
Trek Wars Beyond dropped 69% (http://www.forbes.com/sites/scottmendelson/2016/07/30/friday-box-office-star-trek-plunges-69-ghostbusters-topping-100m/#206c9f0f6736) on its second Friday. Sounds about right.
Everyone I know who has seen Beyond has liked it. Still, I can't bring myself to see it in the theater. I'll watch it online at some point.
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That emoticon is getting quite a workout.
Star's cooking?
Quote from: mirth on July 31, 2016, 09:59:50 AM
That emoticon is getting quite a workout.
In this world, he has a lot do.
I saw it with my son today and we both liked it for what it was; a well done action movie.
Yep. It wasn't genius by any stretch, but it was entertaining.
Quote from: mirth on July 31, 2016, 08:42:00 AM
Everyone I know who has seen Beyond has liked it. Still, I can't bring myself to see it in the theater. I'll watch it online at some point.
I didn't hate it but it's in the meh category for me. not that you read my posts.
Quote from: GDS_Starfury on August 02, 2016, 04:37:48 PM
Quote from: mirth on July 31, 2016, 08:42:00 AM
Everyone I know who has seen Beyond has liked it. Still, I can't bring myself to see it in the theater. I'll watch it online at some point.
I didn't hate it but it's in the meh category for me. not that you read my posts.
I read them. I just don't care what you think.
Quote from: mirth on August 02, 2016, 05:32:01 PM
Quote from: GDS_Starfury on August 02, 2016, 04:37:48 PM
I didn't hate it but it's in the meh category for me. not that you read my posts.
I read them. I just don't care what you think.
I propose:
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:))
^ No, no, no that's two men enter...
Ha, 'two men enter' - the motto of Thunderdome!
Or the motto of DP pr0n.
Quote from: bbmike on July 22, 2016, 07:44:39 AM
^ Star Trek means so many different things to people and that's why when people rank the movies there is never much agreement.
That said, TMP in last place at #12? Are you kidding me?!? [/nerd rage] ;D
Yep, although it may get me thrown into a lake, I generally feel TMP is the weakest of the films. It's close between it, Final Frontier and Nemesis, but from a sheer watchability standpoint TMP falls flat to the bottom.
My reasoning? First, it's too much a rehash of the classic, and much better TOS Episode "The Changeling". The movie tries much much too hard to be a copy of 2001 a Space Oddssey, complete with opening orchestra, intermissions and extreme long shots to classical music. It has, by far and away, the worst costuming of any Star Trek on TV or film. It adds unnecessary characters to the detriment of original cast members that could've been given a bigger role and screen time. Its characterization of Spock is disjointed and bizarre, and clearly tacked as a result of the initial impression that he'd be unwilling to work on the film. And, well, honestly I could go on, but suffice to say that despite horrendous flaws in Final Frontier and Nemesis, I felt like they at least succeeded in being more watchable, even if some of the ridiculous plot points in those films were far more glaring than TMP's failings.
I think I give TMP a harder time because it actually had a higher potential that it failed to live up to, where Final Frontier and Nemesis were DOA. If TMP had been shorter, more tightly plotted and didn't feel like it wasn't exactly what it was, a rewrite of a TOS episode that was originally meant to be the pilot of Star Trek Phase II, I'd have it higher.
Really TMP is the example of what was very wrong with many of the Phase II scripts. It didn't know what it wanted to be, a sequel or a remake. There was so much rehashing of the TOS in those scripts, that I'm very very thankful Phase II was shelved as I worry it'd have set Trek back a lot.
Quote from: SirAndrewD on August 04, 2016, 06:01:19 PM
Really TMP is the example of what was very wrong with many of the Phase II scripts.
TMP was a victim of Roddenberry and his vision of what Star Trek should be.
Quote from: mirth on August 04, 2016, 06:08:23 PM
Quote from: SirAndrewD on August 04, 2016, 06:01:19 PM
Really TMP is the example of what was very wrong with many of the Phase II scripts.
TMP was a victim of Roddenberry and his vision of what Star Trek should be.
Very true, his very heavy hand is all over the film.
TNG season 1 is even more an example on this. The documentary "Chaos on the Bridge" is an amazing insight into that.
I love what Roddenberry gifted the world with Star Trek, but wasn't the best thing for it after it took off.
Of course he was still better than Berman, Braga or Fred Freiberger.
:knuppel2:
I think we all secretly hate Star Trek.
Quote from: mirth on August 04, 2016, 07:07:46 PM
I think we all secretly hate Star Trek.
Ha! Speak for yourself.
Although, kidding aside, maybe we all do. There's so much Star Trek that it's easy to pick out the parts you love and hate.
I absolutely love the first to seasons of TOS, most of DS9 and all but the bottom tier episodes of TNG. I'm about 50/50 with the films and absolutely can't stand, even for a moment Voyager.
Enterprise, well, that's another very very long winded, super nerdy reply that goes over my problems with their approach to the canon, starship design lineage, Federation history, and my absolute disgust at the introduction, AGAIN of Time Travel.
DS9 is easily my favorite. I'm about due for a re-watch, actually.
Next it's a toss-up between Voyager and TOS. TOS had so many cringe-worthy moments, even back in the early 80s when I was first watching them. My dad always had it on before SNL (you know, when SNL was funny) and I got hooked on it.
TNG isn't bad but it comes up next on my list. The first two seasons were atrocious, but it really came into its own soon after that. Thing is, though, I've tried to re-watch it a few times on Netflix, but I just can't get into it like I can into Voyager or DS9 or even TOS. :(
Alright Banzai Cat. Done! I really want my place at the bottom of that lake, so I'm going to give my top and bottom ten Star Trek Episodes.
TOP!
1. City on the Edge of Forever - TOS: Written by Harlan Ellison. The look on Kirk's face when he stops Bones. Spock's agony for his friend. I don't know. It's something stunningly amazing and shows off the fact that the actors that worked on TOS WERE in fact very good at their craft, all of them. Still, it's a hard time putting it at number one because number two was so, brutally good. Possibly the most underrated episode in Trek.
2. The Visitor - DS9 - Honestly, one of the only episodes of Star Trek that made me cry. Hugo Nominated, but lost to an equally good episode of Babylon 5. Still, as much as I loved B5, this was better and the Hugo voting was actually deeply biased voting against it and it's created a huge rift in the actual relevancy of the Hugo since. Tony Todd was amazing in this. I honestly find it hard to watch, even harder than the episode at number 1. Amazing stuff, and the best that Trek really has to offer.
3. Space Seed - TOS: Well, of course. Khan. Such men dare take what they want. The fact that Kirk gets a nemesis that his is equal, he spars with him like a chess player, and does not, completely win is magnificent.
4. Amok Time - TOS: Jim...JIM! Yep.
5. The Trouble with Tribbles - TOS: The core of the light and fun in Star Trek. Still one of the most iconic episodes ever made.
6. The Inner Light - TNG : Still the best TNG episode ever. Picard's journey is something that is hard to accept and deal with, but he does it with his normal strength. But what he lives through stays with him in future episodes. The best of TNG.
7. The Best of Both Worlds 1,2 - TNG: The Borg are the most horrifying, direct and disturbing foe ever in Star Trek. These two episodes were the height of their absolute, disturbing terror. They were the inevitable going to far for intrepid explorers of Star Trek.
8. Measure of a Man - TNG: The best of early TNG. The moment where we really have to address the concept of what is sentient, what gives us the right to address that concept, and what implications come from our placing a mantle of judgment on ourselves.
9. Chain of Command - TNG: THERE ARE FOUR LIGHTS! Master thespian Patrick Stewart ladies and gentlemen.
10. Mirror Mirror - TOS: To the Agony booth with you if you disagree! A great high, sci-fi episode about alternate universes, and an exploration of how just a few twists and turns can become good or evil.
And.....the bottom 10...
10. Spock's Brain - TOS: Typically put at number one, it IS awful, but not as bad as some others. A disjointed mess that most of the cast was clearly uncomfortable with.
9. Shades of Grey -TNG: Star Trek's only clip show. Not higher because it was the result of a strike and budget problems. Pretty much unwatchable, but a product of bad times and was not the intent of anyone involved in the production.
8. Justice - TNG: Utopian sexy times and Wes in trouble! "I'm with Starfleet, we don't lie!" I sort of had a sexual awakening with the outfits on the hot super sex aliens watching this when I was a kid though, so it's not higher.
7. The Neutral Zone - TNG: Wow, the most obscenely moralistic episode of Star Trek ever. Crusher "In the 20th Century people were actually afraid of DYING!". SUCH BARBARIANS the crew announces. A brutish, cruel, obscenely judgmental episode on the horrors of 20th century society. Picard, whom I love, is a total space dick here, dismissing the 20th century castaways as little more than flesh chewing cannibalistic Neanderthals.
6. The Omega Glory - TOS: First, REALLY STARFLEET! Another insane starship captain? I mean, is every single serving Constitution class captain insane except Kirk? Your psych eval program is really, deeply lacking. Aside from that, the blitheringly insane alt earth concept is deeply overused here and at this point just hurts.
5. The Way to Eden - TOS: Stepping into Eden, yay brother. Seriously, I like to watch this one deeply drunk and I sing along. So maybe it's not so bad.
4. Profit and Lace - DS9: DS9 has some amazing and truly AWFUL episodes. This is almost the worst of them. Quark in a dress is too much for me to deal with.
3. Threshold - VOY- The worst show has only one of the top ten worse episodes. Still, this one has virtually no redeeming qualities. Hot lizard sex between the crew is not really what I was looking forward to.
2. A Night in Sickbay - ENT: You know, I mean, I guess I like that Archer loves his dog. But nothing else about this episode is good. Archer is a diplomat on the level of Donald Trump at a Muslim pride rally. It's boring, it's absurd, it makes the characters insane and unlikable. There were episodes of ENT that made me more MAD, but none that made me more sickeningly upset to actually be watching TV and not doing something productive like huffing paint or murdering a transient than this one.
1. Let He Who is Without Sin - DS9: Stunning that a show with so much good can have such an unredeemingly bad episode. Worf and Dax on Risa, acting like they're completely insane and totally bad for each other, honestly ruining their relationship for me for the rest of the show. Brutally insane pro-isolationist Trump like Feddies. Ridiculous story line of Worf even REMOTELY sympathizing with these turds. A brutally boring, deeply uninteresting script that just makes you want to see the credits, hopefully through an alcohol induced haze. Maybe more than alcohol.
At least it has Chase Masterson in a bath showing very, very wonderfully large amounts of cleavage. Still, not enough to make this at all even remotely redeemable as an hour of entertainment.
I'm not NEARLY nerdy enough to rank actual episodes, SirAndrewD (LOL). But, I would have to say 'The Visitor' is the best Star Trek episode across ALL shows, period. At least, IMO.
The crying bit...yep. That episode was disturbingly powerful.
Spock's Brain is the best episode. Not just for Trek, but in the entire history of television.