What? No Wendy, Marvin and Wonder Dog? :tickedoff:
Quote from: bbmike on July 24, 2016, 07:50:38 AM
What? No Wendy, Marvin and Wonder Dog? :tickedoff:
DC needs to save something for Phase 2
True, they will most likely get their own movie. Before Aquaman does.
Gleek the Space Monkey will probably have his own movie before Aquaman.
Oh, that looks A LOT more fun than the first two movies so far! O0 :smitten:
Love it.
If they could make a live action version of Justice League: War or better yet, Justice League: Operation Flashpoint, their movies would improve exponentially.
The storylines are SO much better in the DC animated films; I don't get why they produce crap in live-action films but gems in the animated series. They should be hiring the animated series writers to try a script or twelve.
The live-action TV shows tend to be pretty good too, like Arrow.
But yeah, Marvel owns the theaters, and DC owns the small screen
Arrow's writing flops wildly between decent on occasion to dreadful -- Flash and Supergirl are somewhat better -- and I largely swore off Legends of Tomorrow Season 2 after sitting through the whole first season. But even Arrow is usually more fun than the DCCU movies so far.
Quote from: Banzai_Cat on August 04, 2016, 05:56:49 AM
If they could make a live action version of Justice League: War or better yet, Justice League: Operation Flashpoint, their movies would improve exponentially.
...you realize they are in fact kind of trying to do both those things, right?
Quote from: Banzai_Cat on August 04, 2016, 05:56:49 AM
The storylines are SO much better in the DC animated films; I don't get why they produce crap in live-action films but gems in the animated series. They should be hiring the animated series writers to try a script or twelve.
Generally agree, although the quality varies for the animated films (most of which I own).
After watching that trailer, it looks like DC is removing the large stick from their rear orifice and trying to allow more humor into their movies. Didn't really having any good laughs over what I just watched in the trailer, but it I didn't feel like committing Hara-kiri after watching it either.
Awesome.
Can't wait for the JL films to come out.
And the subsequent nerd rage over them. ;D
As 1 of the 4 people on Earth who actually enjoyed BvS, I'm definitely looking forward to this one.
It's hard to make fun of Aquaman after watching that trailer. That hurts my soul and upsets the natural balance of how things should be...... :-\
I want it to be good, but I've wanted every one of the DC movies to be good since they started chasing Marvel's tail and failing to catch anything.
Other than Dark Knight Returns, I've been thoroughly underwhelmed by every one of them, especially SS :(
If the could make something that approach JMD's writing on JLI back in the late 80s, I'd be all in, but then it'll get the Zach Snyder treatment and turn into a Souxsie and the Banshees video as performed by your local Rocky Horror re-enactors at a comic convention, and I'm back to being disappointed.
JL vs Parademons. All good.
"The Aquaman" as a good ol' metal countryboy. ... ....... well, it makes sense, he's technically from Maine, grew up there.
"I'm rich." :bd:
New Batsuit looks like updated version of 1960s TV. Not a fan of this, but I kind of understand the idea.
Wondy looking good as always (so far). Cyborg better than I was worried about so far. Flash holding up well considering he's got a lot of competition from TV's Flash built up. (The writing may be aggressively stupid on that show, but Graves is one of the several good things on it.)
The tonal adjustment hadn't really been completed with Suicide Squad, creating the janky schizophrenic writing. It looks like the tonal adjustment to THIS IS FUN DAMMIT might be closer to spec now. (With maybe too much of the DAMMIT still remaining. ::) :P )
Of course, trailers can be deceiving. It might still be a scattershot mess.
Interested but not impressed--- yet. In order to be good as The Avengers, they have to be like the Avengers, but cannot be the same as the Avengers. Very difficult. We'll see.
I am definitely not going to see this until I see some reviews. Not after that last mess where the trailer pulled everyone in and the trailer was better (and made more sense) than the movie. :DD
Quote from: JasonPratt on March 25, 2017, 08:53:34 PM
"The Aquaman" as a good ol' metal countryboy. ... ....... well, it makes sense, he's technically from Maine, grew up there.
We don't like to advertise that.
Wow, I just read this. Zack Snyder has stepped down from Justice League to deal with the suicide death of his 20 yr old daughter. Joss Whedon is taking over for re-shoots and finishing it up.
http://io9.gizmodo.com/zack-snyder-leaves-justice-league-after-family-tragedy-1795446522
http://io9.gizmodo.com/turns-out-joss-whedon-has-been-working-on-justice-leagu-1795582589
Whedon's on board? Damn, it might be worth seeing now.
Meh.
Aquaman is still gay.
I've been burned by DC movie trailers being far, far more interesting and fun than the movie they purport to represent, so if that line continues, this movie is going to blow harder than either of the Superman movies.
Also not impressed. But they are trying hard. I thought they way they did Daredevil on Netflix would've made a great early Batman type of series. Very similar stories without the blindness. But Daredevil was done so well, you really come to identify with the character. A element still lacking from the DC stories.
I wonder if Whedon can save the flick or if it's too far gone.
Meh indeed. The scenes with Wonder Woman are the only ones that made me take notice. Gadot was born to play WW, a character I never had much interest in before.
There's only so much slo-mo action you can do before you start thinking, "okay, we get it already...please stop." I couldn't get through but half of Wonder Woman because it was AAALLLLLL slo-mo action. ::)
When The Matrix did it in 1999 it was cool, but that was 18 years ago, DC. Stick with animated movies and TV shows.
You didn't care much for Spider Man:Homecoming either as I recall. You know you can catch Matlock and Gunsmoke reruns on cable now, right ;)
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You'd know better than I, old man! :P
Spidey might grow on me. I might have been too harsh. But DC has a downright bad track record and have a LOT of ground to cover with me before I give them any kind of "ooh" or "ahh." Pfft, like they give two tosses what I think.
None of the recent DC movies have really been 'bad' imo. It's just that they should have been so much more. They have failed to capture the fun and humor that have made the MCU movies so successful.
Matlock AND Gunsmoke!? Dammit. That's worth stopping my prunes for.
Quote from: Sir Slash on July 24, 2017, 11:01:07 PM
Matlock AND Gunsmoke!? Dammit. That's worth stopping my prunes for.
"Stopping" is what prunes are all about. Or so I hear from Windy O0
More like un-stopping actually. :2funny:
^ meh.
Looks pretty good to me.
To be fair, the trailers for Man of Steel, Bats vs Supes, et al, all looked good too.
So did the trailers for Prometheus and Convenant.
And Star Trek V.
I don't recall that ever looking good.
Aquaman sure does have a lot of hair for a guy that lives under water. Can't he summon a school of barracudas to give him a shave at least?
I thought aquaman was blond
And whos attacking, rhe wicked witch of the west and her flying monkeys.
Quote from: OJsDad on October 08, 2017, 10:31:30 PM
And whos attacking, rhe wicked witch of the west and her flying monkeys.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parademon
Make no mistake, Aquaman and the actor's pecs/abs are only there to bring in a certain segment of the population. And LongBlade. ;)
This just looks so shite.
Sorry - but it's just bad looking. The DC universe is crying out for great movies to be made as they've got great characters and potentially great stories - but so far, the implementation of anything DC is leaving me really, really cold.
The one take I really liked was Man of Steel. The Batman Dark Knight Trilogy was pretty good. But Suicide Squad was a mess. Batman v Superman had more holes in it than Swiss cheese - AND they killed off Superman!! Wonder Woman wasn't bad.
All of them though - every one of them - suffered from really, really bad CGI.
This looks like it's going to continue the bad CGI trend. :knuppel2:
I will not be going to see this because I don't want them to get anymore money until they start turning out good stuff.
Quote from: BanzaiCat on October 09, 2017, 05:52:50 AM
Make no mistake, Aquaman and the actor's pecs/abs are only there to bring in a certain segment of the population. And LongBlade. ;)
Whatever happened to LB? He hasn't been on Steam in practically a year. Is he okay?
The worrisome review embargo has partially lifted. Partially. Reviewers are allowed to tweet about it.
Wait, mandated under 2 hours??
That's not enough to get me to go see it. The movie needs to be flat-out blowing audiences away, and then I'd think about it.
DC has made too much shite over the years. I don't trust them at all.
Fans have been griping that the films seem hellbent on setting up an "Injustice" storyline, without hardly even building up this storyline first.
Now the cast is talking about being up for an "Injustice" storyline next.
See, this is why Warner Brothers cannot have nice things. :pullhair: "What properties are we making massive money on that we could therefore demonstrably make more massive money on?" "Well Mr. Smithers, we seem to be doing well with the series of "Injustice" fighting games and their spinoff material; and we're busy printing money with a set of original story Lotr games set as prequels to the movie trilogy..."
"Exxxcelllent."
Going on Saturday with my kiddos. I have moderate expectations.
For the Times, this is a pretty favorable review
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/15/movies/justice-league-review-wonder-woman-batman-dc-comics.html
First, a word from the Dark Lord Sequel:
No unexpectedness here. "It looks like WB spent three to four hundred million dollars to remake
Mortal Kombat: Annihilation." :DD
Now to untie the seven!
And the obligatory end credit sequence.
Angry Joe not available yet. Consult later.
DC: BE IMPRESSED PLEASASSSSSEEEEA be impressed BOOM POW BANG SPECKIAL EFFECTOS
Me: Meh
Oh you hate everything
Aww...
If the reviews are indeed positive I might actually go see it in a theater.
I was somewhat underwhelmed by Wonder Woman despite all the positivity around it. It was certainly better than most DC movies, but no way it came close to even the worst Marvel movie.
Superman Return and Man of Steel sucked. The Nolan Batman trilogy was brilliant (considering the crap Batman movies of the past, that wasn't a high bar to clear). Not sure if Justice League is going to be any good, but I guess we'll see.
c'mon. WW was better than the first two Thors or that Edward Norton Hulk movie (yes that's in the MCU).
Okay, I'll agree that WW is better than that first Ang Lee Hulk movie. The Norton version was a LOT better than Ang Lee's but yeah, I'd put that in the basement, too, next to Howard The Duck (even though that wasn't technically a Marvel movie at the time, in my mind it is because it was a Marvel comic long before).
Like I said before, I watched half of WW, got distracted, and never was motivated enough to go back and check the rest of it. I'd rather watch the first Thor movie again, to be honest. :-\
Quote from: BanzaiCat on November 15, 2017, 02:18:04 PM
Okay, I'll agree that WW is better than that first Ang Lee Hulk movie. The Norton version was a LOT better than Ang Lee's but yeah, I'd put that in the basement, too, next to Howard The Duck (even though that wasn't technically a Marvel movie at the time, in my mind it is because it was a Marvel comic long before).
Like I said before, I watched half of WW, got distracted, and never was motivated enough to go back and check the rest of it. I'd rather watch the first Thor movie again, to be honest. :-\
Well I'll be in the minority that I liked the Edward Norton Hulk movie.
Didn't like either of the first 2 thors but the 3rd is easily top 3 in the MCU (probably behind Iron Man 1 and CA:Winter Soldier in my book)
I liked WW until the very end. The DC-U really needs to fire their CGI guys. It's so bad that it breaks immersion for me.
I agree that WW was better than the first two Thor movies. I also agree that it was bad at the end. I also agree that DC needs to look elsewhere for their CGI because ti stinks. They also need to lighten the f**k up - their films are way too dark. And finally - humour. It's often misplaced and not at all punchy enough to warrant being in their movies. They just do not have what the MCU has.
I don't like the DC v MCU thing - each film has to be taken on it's merits - but you can't help get involved in DC v MCU when almost without exception the DC films suck badly and the MCU films are almost without exception just superb.
I like Ruffalo as the Hulk, but Norton I thought played a more intense Banner.
Quote from: BanzaiCat on November 16, 2017, 09:15:08 AM
I like Ruffalo as the Hulk, but Norton I thought played a more intense Banner.
Agreed. I understand that, given the overall project, everyone on board needed to be a team player, and right or wrong the justification for dumping Norton was that he wasn't going to be a team player. But at least he didn't look and act like a nervous football fullback who's worried about crushing the people near him BEFORE Hulking out. I don't really buy Ruffalo as Banner. I like his character, but Norton was better as the character.
Also, I generally like the MCU Hulk film, even though I regard it as the weakest entry so far.
Bruce Banner, to me, should be an intense individual ridden by guilt. Not a one-liner guy. I know Marvel has written and re-written Hulk in the comics over the years with a wide variety of looks and voices, and I wasn't a fan of the Hulk comics back in the day. I think my perception comes from being an avid Incredible Hulk (the TV show) watcher when I was a kid.
Initial impression of JL are so/so. Not as bad as Supes/Bats, but not near as good as WW.
For whatever reason DC just can't get it right. Ever since they did GL (massive pile of steaming dog shit) they can't get it right. Marvel owns their asses in movie making. I'm guessing Marvel has deeper pockets so they can hire the best of the best? DC does make some pretty good animated movies and I think they're great.
I prefer the Ruffalo Banner over Norton or Bana. I like Norton as an actor, but I didn't think he was a great Banner. The Norton Hulk movie was okay, but it just didn't quite click. However, it was a vast improvement over the Ang Lee attempt.
Funny thing is, I really didn't care much for Ruffalo as an actor until he played Hulk/Banner. I think he brings the right mix of humanity, humor and unease to the character.
Quote from: acctingman on November 16, 2017, 09:36:05 AM
Initial impression of JL are so/so. Not as bad as Supes/Bats, but not near as good as WW.
For whatever reason DC just can't get it right. Ever since they did GL (massive pile of steaming dog shit) they can't get it right. Marvel owns their asses in movie making. I'm guessing Marvel has deeper pockets so they can hire the best of the best? DC does make some pretty good animated movies and I think they're great.
To be fair, DC really got it right 30 years before Marvel with the first Christopher Reeves Superman (which still holds up today). And they did alright with the Burton/Keaton Batman and even better with the Nolan/Bale Batman. They really need to get away from the sepia-toned, self-serious Snyder version of the DC Universe.
WW was the first DCEU movie to step outside the Snyder model and it worked great.
I agree that DC animated movies are awesome. More than one, I've thought, would have made an excellent live-action movie.
Despite most of those DC movies sucking, they've made enough money on most of them (sort of like Transformers movies being piles of shit but still making a billion dollars). WW made $412 mil, Man Of Steel $229 mil, but those are exceptions because they actually outpaced their budgets by a decent amount. Nothing like Transformers movie numbers, but if they keep making a profit, they have no reason to change their formula despite the moaning on the Internet.
WB/DC definitely wants to change the formula. They want the billion dollar homeruns and long term franchises that Marvel has built.
DC has a better stable of heroes and villians, imo. They need to execute better. It will be interesting to see if they give Whedon the reins for a couple of movies.
And I can't say that any of the recent DC movies have sucked as bad as the Transformer movies. I think I'd take Green Lantern over the Transformers movies :P
Captain America > Batman
Suck it DC
:P
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I actually liked the first two Thor's and the third one. But they're very different types of movies. I prefer the more serious/dramatic films like the Marvel movies up to Capt. America- Civil War. The more humorous current films like Thor 3, and the Guardians of the Galaxy's are a bit silly for my tastes but are done very well. I think Marvel's trying to give us something new all the time-- maybe too hard. And I think they're looking over their shoulder at the DC films and are becoming a little scared. I liked WW but just in an average way and none of the other DC films have really grabbed me at all.
Quote from: Sir Slash on November 16, 2017, 11:18:33 AM
I actually liked the first two Thor's and the third one. But they're very different types of movies. I prefer the more serious/dramatic films like the Marvel movies up to Capt. America- Civil War. The more humorous current films like Thor 3, and the Guardians of the Galaxy's are a bit silly for my tastes but are done very well. I think Marvel's trying to give us something new all the time-- maybe too hard. And I think they're looking over their shoulder at the DC films and are becoming a little scared. I liked WW but just in an average way and none of the other DC films have really grabbed me at all.
That made me laugh a wee bit. I have no idea why Marvel would be worried about anything DC is throwing out.
Though I will grant you they seem to make money - but if the trend of bad movies continues (I'm counting WW as a blip - though it wasn't great either), then that money might dry up.
I like the first two Thor films, too; more than most people I imagine. They couldn't quite figure out what to do with the Jane Foster character to make her work, without the mechanic of the original Thor comics situation (where he's human and even half crippled in a secret identity), but Natalie Portman took a couple of pro shots at it. In hindsight I think that Kat Jennings' quirky character (Darcey) would have made a better Jane Foster simply because she'd be a better fit into the oddness going on.
Watching DC flounder around trying to course correct in janky half-formed lurches, is entertaining in a way, I suppose. But it isn't like DC will ever simply be taking money away from the MCU at this point.
How the DCEU proceeds from here will be critical. Their primary problem (aside from aggressively stupid scripts, going back at least as far as Dark Knight Rises) is that too many people who don't respect or even understand the traditional appeal of the characters have been in charge of bringing those characters to the screen. (Edited to add: and yes, I would argue at freaking length that this problem applies to DKR, although not to the first two BatNolan films.)
This was a solid B. Good not great. Cast was solid. Story was meh. Steppenwolf was meh. Henry Cavill finally settled into the Superman role and the character felt truly heroic for the first time in 3 tries. Momoa made Aquaman cool and a bad ass. Some nice moments of interplay between the characters, but not much I would consider as depth. Definitely one of the better DC outings, but still not on par with the best of the MCU.
I would still like to see a standalone Batfleck movie even though it doesn't sound like we're going to get one.
Maybe if WW dropped her top the theaters would fill-up. Of course then they would never finish filming cause all the other actors would be stuttering all their lines.
So Angry Joe likes it
And Mark Kermode hates it
However - Angry Joe liked Suicide Squad which I thought was an absolute shambles.
Turns out, even he says the story was a bit gappy. Mark Kermode is much more cutting about the story having holes as well as terrible CGI and too many characters with lots of things no making sense. Sounds to me - on the basis of both reviews - that it's exactly like Suicide Squad.
I'm not punting money to this. I couldn't do Suicide Squad level disappointment again.
Quote from: JudgeDredd on November 20, 2017, 08:49:03 AM
Sounds to me - on the basis of both reviews - that it's exactly like Suicide Squad.
It's far better than Suicide Squad. It's far better than Man of Steel or BvS. It is CGI heavy, but most movies are these days. And you do get a feeling about missing scenes. Again, not surprising since they cut so much for time. I didn't feel like it ruined the story, but I look forward to an extended cut for the home video release.
Saw it this weekend (with Dad and the Bro) along with Thor.
I was surprised and pleased that Danny Elfman was brought on board to write the music, as we got several callbacks to his iconic Batman theme. He even managed to work in a couple of almost-but-not-quite-but-you-know-what-we-meant Williams Superman theme chords. (And one of those was in a dark Superman scene! -- appropriately with a dark anti-theme.)
I remember one gaping plot hole, but I don't remember enough to recall the details -- seemed like something accidentally cut for the last-minute time constraints imposed by Warner Brothers.
Having heard about a (relatively) massive backlash for sexying up WW and the Amazons, I was on the watch for that kind of thing... but I didn't really find it. I mean, I saw what people were complaining about but it's pretty damn minor. Dressing a bit like a runway model when not out in "fashionista" mode, I can understand some complaints on, including the infamous floss-bra when it shows up, although even that wasn't actually as ludicrous as the complaints made it sound. I actually almost missed the first "butt" shot (the second was a little more obvious), and most of the Amazons in the actual film aren't wearing the leather bikini outfits. The outrage about the Flash dropping onto WW is baffling, since if she buffers his fall a visual implication would be unavoidable AND THE FILM MAKES INSTANTLY AS CLEAR AS POSSIBLE THAT NOTHING WAS MEANT BY IT! (Why Gal Godot was vocally annoyed by this I have no idea. The outfit(s) she walks around in while doing streetwork, which makes her look a little like a high-class streetwalker, I could understand, but considering she got this far by being a model whose main job was to model that and much more provocative outfits, maybe she should have some dang perspective. But then again, this might have been her projection against Brett Ratner? I looked for his name in the production list, but it seems like only Ratpac Entertainment per se was involved, not him specifically.) Some complaints are simply the opposite of what was on the screen: when Aquaman is talking about the other members (because he sat on the lasso, which was lying on the Batmobile for literally no good reason other than to set up the joke) he isn't complimenting the men about what they bring to the team. He's dissing them as being useless and in his way! -- then gushes over Diana.
The film itself I was pretty good to go with. I appreciated that the writers used Superman correctly during the final battle: rescuing civilians between adding some extra punch. He finally acted like the character. (But the writers got to tease evil Superman, too.)
Quote from: JasonPratt on November 20, 2017, 10:52:06 AM
I was surprised and pleased that Danny Elfman was brought on board to write the music, as we got several callbacks to his iconic Batman theme. He even managed to work in a couple of almost-but-not-quite-but-you-know-what-we-meant Williams Superman theme chords. (And one of those was in a dark Superman scene! -- appropriately with a dark anti-theme.)
Agreed. Having Elfman do the score was nice touch and the nods to past themes were well done.
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I appreciated that the writers used Superman correctly during the final battle: rescuing civilians between adding some extra punch. He finally acted like the character.
Yep. He finally felt like Superman. It was a real strength of the movie and I wasn't expecting that after how he was portrayed in Man of Steel and BvS.
Interestingly, Danny Elfman was a very late addition to JL
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/justice-league-danny-elfman-hates-reboots-scrap-classic-themes-1059632
I kept waiting to hear his similar theme for the 90s "Flash" TV series, too, but I don't think I ever did.
One downside is that he barely used any of the excellent WW theme (only once for her introduction...?). And didn't really use the John Williams Super-theme, only faked it closely. So was that "only for the ego of the director or the composer", Elfy? How about when you only used the excellent established "Avengers" theme (on a similar last-minute call from Whedon) in half-assed minor fashions? Can't blame that on the director, can you? Granted, you might blame De Palma for your refusal to use the classic Mission Impossible themes only once or twice in very limited fashions. But "dropping in" the theme that way (the article's description -- Elfman made it sound like he had done a lot more), isn't the same as "taking the themes and using them in a way that feels fresh".
But at least the Batman theme is there, and a "twisted" version of William's Super-theme. It's a start.
Now for the only review that truly matters other than your own opinions:
The just ice review. With a cube of ice.
Quote from: JasonPratt on November 20, 2017, 01:06:11 PM
Now for the only review that truly matters other than your own opinions:
+1
Mirth,
Do you think they should have broken this up into 2 movies.
Quote from: OJsDad on November 20, 2017, 01:08:51 PM
Mirth,
Do you think they should have broken this up into 2 movies.
Not sure. Would have to see what was cut. I'm inclined to say no because Steppenwolf was such a weak villian and the story is pretty thin.
I think they were in too much of a rush to make this movie. They should have spent more time introducing the individual heroes through their own movies.
Fwiw, the CGI lip on Henry Cavill is really overblown in my opinion. I didn't even notice during the movie.
Mike & Jay are much harder on JL than I think it deserves. It's not a great movie, but it's definitely better than their take on it.
Quote from: mirth on November 20, 2017, 01:15:37 PM
Quote from: OJsDad on November 20, 2017, 01:08:51 PM
Mirth,
Do you think they should have broken this up into 2 movies.
Not sure. Would have to see what was cut. I'm inclined to say no because Steppenwolf was such a weak villian and the story is pretty thin.
Agreed. The only theoretical split point would be when the League has to bring back Superman and he comes back "Pet Semetary" at first. But dear Lord I wouldn't have wanted to milk either side of that for a two movie split.
Quote from: mirth on November 20, 2017, 01:15:37 PMI think they were in too much of a rush to make this movie. They should have spent more time introducing the individual heroes through their own movies.
Absolutely agree. The whole project has stunk from Marvelenvy from the start -- maybe not with
Man of Steel exactly, but even then WE'RE GOING TO DO JUST LIKE MARVEL BUT REALLY REALLY DIFFERENT LIKE BATMAN WAS BECAUSE THE MCU WAS REACTING AGAINST THE DOUR BATFILMS!
Quote from: mirth on November 20, 2017, 01:18:42 PM
Fwiw, the CGI lip on Henry Cavill is really overblown in my opinion. I didn't even notice during the movie.
I was specifically looking for distortion and never saw it. I think people are imagining it looks different.
The Bag Crew are definitely being a
little harder on the movie than they should be. Mike, notably, loved it, as a bad movie that was so bad it was legitimately great...??? That doesn't even make sense, and he emphasizes that he
doesn't mean that ironically.
I just realized (from the Bag review) what the three marks on the wall from the parademon were supposed to be: the cosmic cubes I MEAN MOTHER BOXES! Why?.... no reason at all. In fact, I remember now that the only thing that would kind of make sense from it leaving that mark, was if they were the creation of Brainiac -- like Batman, Brainiac knows the importance of branding and likes to leave his simple but stylized mark around in ultimately useless ways. But that's a consistent character trait, and with the series heavily implying that the "New Gods" and the Atlanteans and the Amazons and the "old gods" all directly trace back to Kryptonian expansion teams ten thousand years ago (which is kind of usefully clever until you realize the results aren't Superman's power levels or power set) I could see Brainiac being teamed up with Darkseid by that route.
But this is the same movie where a drawing which seems like it's supposed to be centuries old shows Jason Mamoa as Aquaman hanging out with the three Mother Boxes (which gives Bruce a plot opportunity to ask about them and connect them to Atlantis ahead of discussing things with Diana, who would / should / does already know the situation and tells everyone later). That drawing makes less than no sense based on the information given in the movie about Aquaman's pretty normal origin (son of a princess of Atlantis and a lighthouse keeper); and this one isolated fishing village in the middle of nowhere.
On an unrelated note: Arthur having blonde highlights at the ends of his hair, was distracting. Good Lord, movie, if you don't want him to be blond, fine, but stick to it. Don't do dumb things that make less than no sense and which call attention to breaking the immersion (since those things wouldn't last long in the water as decoration, and wouldn't be natural out at the ends like that.) I can understand the scooping decollatage and hair of Mera in the water as a stylistic choice somewhat in keeping with the character, but this is pointless for sake of making a connection that the design department already rejected forcefully.
Arthur sounds like the lighthouse his dad ran must have been off the coast of Florida, too, or maybe Georgia, which doesn't mesh with his ice-cold visual thematics (or coming from Maine).
Quote from: JasonPratt on November 20, 2017, 01:49:02 PM
Quote from: mirth on November 20, 2017, 01:18:42 PM
Fwiw, the CGI lip on Henry Cavill is really overblown in my opinion. I didn't even notice during the movie.
I was specifically looking for distortion and never saw it. I think people are imagining it looks different.
The Bag Crew are definitely being a little harder on the movie than they should be. Mike, notably, loved it, as a bad movie that was so bad it was legitimately great... ??? That doesn't even make sense, and he emphasizes that he doesn't mean that ironically.
I think the truth of it lies somewhere between Joe's review and Mike & Jay's. Joe was a little fanboy-ish and the Bag guys were nitpicking hard.
This is a flawed, but still pretty good genre movie.
So Justice League can't get no... juss--tiss! Take a knee DC! Till we get some ree-spect in the House. :tickedoff:
^ Omg I thought I was going to barf a lung out having to listen to whatever weak-ass version of "the revolution will not be televised, give me my
respect" semi-rap song was playing behind the "Black Panther" ad -- which I had to listen to twice, due to seeing both this and Thor Saturday.
Meanwhile, you might have noticed (but probably didn't) that the "Mr. Sunday Comics" team's review of JL was subtitled "Not The Worst". That wasn't only a review summary in itself, it was also a reference to what we could have and, back in the 90s, did get instead:
However, scientifically we all know that this wasn't the objectively worst version of the League put to live action. That was the live-action Superfriends show, the second of its two episodes being what seemed like a half-ad-libbed fake-audience celebrity roast for... Batman? I can't recall. Each other? I'm sure YT has the video(s) somewhere, as a black hole of pain and despair for generations to come.
It is not physically possible for even BvS to be
that bad. Let us be thankful this holiday season.
Also while I'm pimping those guys for no consideration, their pre-production commentary vid on how to make JL not suck, has aged very well. Or not well. Depending on how you look at it. Maybe both.
Further evidence that Warner Brothers does not have the slightest idea what they're doing, and have made the films for love of money (and maybe jealousy) as their first priority: the Matt Reeves Batman trilogy, which has previously been marketed as outside the DCEU continuity (a bad idea but understandable) and as a prequel showing Batman's history (a good idea imo), is now being discussed by producers for a sequel to Justice League.
As if that isn't schizophrenic enough, producers are also talking about WW just going into a standalone universe for her films, totally apart from DCEU continuity. Which of course was what they were temporarily talking about for the Batfilms. Whereas previously the next WW film was being pre-plotted as a(nother) prequel set during the Cold War. At this point I feel confident predicting they'll toss the pickle-slice of 'a sequel to JL' up onto the window to see if that sticks, too.
Because -- and I won't even try to emphasize this enough -- they really have no plan, and don't really care enough to have a plan that they're willing to believe in and work to make work.
I noticed the same thing about the Black Panther preview at the theater. It wasn't in the trailer I had seen but was damned annoying in the preview. I thought they must be trying real hard to market to what they imagine should be a proper black image. Maybe some fast with an African-type sound would've been far better I think. :-X
Quote from: mirth on November 18, 2017, 04:51:22 PM
This was a solid B. Good not great. Cast was solid. Story was meh. Steppenwolf was meh. Henry Cavill finally settled into the Superman role and the character felt truly heroic for the first time in 3 tries. Momoa made Aquaman cool and a bad ass. Some nice moments of interplay between the characters, but not much I would consider as depth. Definitely one of the better DC outings, but still not on par with the best of the MCU.
I went and saw Justice League yesterday, and this was precisely my take on the movie as well. ("Good, but not great" was exactly what I said to my roommate when he asked me about it.) It's definitely an improvement over most previous DC films, but they have a good ways to go before they're on Marvel's level (if that's even possible at this point).
I too look forward to seeing the extended edition/director's cut. It definitely felt like there are missing scenes that (once re-inserted back into the story) would better flesh out the overall viewing experience.
Quote from: mirth on November 18, 2017, 04:51:22 PM
I would still like to see a standalone Batfleck movie even though it doesn't sound like we're going to get one.
+1
Semi-related-thematic trivia point: for my birthday this past week, my Mom gave me, for the first time I recall in my life, a Superman themed birthday card. Actually suitable for a five-year-old, but with some nice artistic stylization (reminding me a little of the DCAU's "dark deco" art style).
I'm not even all that big a fan of Superman -- I just know various canonical and alt-canon details because I'm a geek and that's part of my cultural hobby to keep up with such things.
But that card meant a lot to me, almost as much as a religious card would have meant (and my family and I are all strongly Christian), because of what she was saying with the card: I help my parents out a lot, and have devoted my adult post-college life to doing so for decades (roughly half my life now, or even more than that if helping at the business during my school years counts), and so she was expressing her gratitude by comparing me with Superman.
That's the cultural importance, not only in America but worldwide, that Warner Brothers had bought to rights to play with, and they pissed it all away on two films that fundamentally sunk the character for sake of being different -- and that's why even non-fans are upset with MoS and BvS. And why JL could feel like what we really always wanted and expected, because Films Are Important and you've got to establish the core appeal of Superman first before creating a deconstructive alternative even means anything. You don't lead with the bleeping deconstructive alternative, morons!!
And even then, they couldn't resist putting one more eeeeevil Superman sequence into JL, just to let us know that they're still thinking of going in that direction later. (Which the cast has vocally said in promotional interviews they're all up and ready for.)
Fuck.
Them.
I don't curse like that much, and I hate using that particular curse, and I want that understood as context when I say with all my heart, FUCK! THEM! My parents for the first time in our lives used that particular ideological character as a way to express how much they love and appreciate me, and that's what Warner Brothers wants to shit on for the sake of artistic ego and/or trying to show they're better and more important than Marvel. >:( :pullhair: The more I think of it, the less inclined I am to give them a pass for finally caving under intense audience dislike and giving us unwashed peons the ideal of the character that has meant something to the very people they're trying to make money off of.
Back to the reviews, this time from HISHE:
Daniel makes a point that I've seen some other people make (like MovieBob Chipman), and that I noticed while watching: it course-corrects soooo hard on what the prior film was supposed to be about, that the film pretends everyone loved Superman and that he was a bright shining light of hope and loved everyone and was glad to be helping and everyone loved him -- instead of him massively dividing the world so hard that Batman thought if there was a 1% chance he was their enemy they should take that as an
ABSOLUTE CERTAINTY. ::) But maybe that's supposed to be, like, a JFK thing? The dialogue given to Batman on the topic is super tone-deaf, though. But maybe that's supposed to be Batman overcompensating for his failures. It would be nice if someone had pointed that out in the film (and now that I think of it there could be a couple of remaining dialogue bits along that line?).
We'll all chip in Jason and get you some strippers
You'll be drunk and laid and then it will be a proper birthday
But only after you puke-- then it's a proper birthday. Whether from the drinking or the strippers is up to you. Happy Belated Birthday! <:-)
Needed more Arkham game footage. Otherwise :bd:
Current plans seem solidified for the Flash solo film to reboot the DCEU with "Flashpoint"; which will be the final outing for Batfleck. Too bad, because I liked him in the role (but then I liked him in Daredevil, too, which is commonly considered heretical.) I didn't think his material and direction were always up to what he was doing on screen, and you can watch him visibly trying to disconnect himself from the ongoing trainwreck on a scene-by-scene basis, but he showed up to go big or go home.
(No doubt some of this decision was partly due to his associations with Weinstein and Ratner, and the Damon bros for that matter, but...)
Exactly what the new Batman trilogy will be about when it arrives, who even knows now. I regard every statement as being facetious at this point. Jon Hamm is being considered for the Batrole, though.
Interesting about using Flashpoint to do a reboot. I wonder if that will lead to other recasting.
I like Batfleck too. He's at least as good as Bale, imo. Bale had far better films though. I think Affleck has been the best Bruce Wayne out of any of them. Clooney looked the part, but he slept walk through that POS movie.
Really not sure about Jon Hamm in the role. Would love to see them give it to Idris Elba. That would set the interwebz on fire.
Flashpoint was a terrifically entertaining animated film. About time they started looking to those writers and storylines for live action transformation.
Current news seems confirmed that Affleck is definitely out with Flashpoint.
But then again, I'm starting to see things suggesting they aren't going to reboot with Flashpoint after all. ::) ...I guess that's par for their course?
Quote from: JasonPratt on December 12, 2017, 09:10:30 AM
...I guess that's par for their course?
If their par is the 'par' in SUBpar when it comes to making movies, then yes. Yes, it is. ::)
My God this is an awful, awful movie.
Liked it better than Last Jedi
Last Jedi wasn't all that great but at least it was engaging. This is a mess. It doesn't know what it wants to be. I'm 28:38 in and am trying, man.
I didn't think it was that bad. No more of a mess than Suicide Squad or Last Jedi. The humor in JL worked better than the humor in LJ.
I'll keep at it. Maybe it'll get better.
OK, I finally finished it, having watched a bit here and there.
It definitely got better. It didn't help that I was pre-disposed to not want to like this from the track record of the previous DC movies.
This felt like it should have been DC's version of The Avengers, with some stand-alone movies for each other than just Wonder Woman and Superman/Superman vs. Bats. I felt it would have had a lot more charisma if I had more buy-in with the characters. Aquaman wasn't half bad - in fact he had some of the best lines. Still not sure why the kid playing The Flash couldn't be the kid from the TV series, nor why he had to have lightning-based powers that did look cool admittedly but didn't make a lot of sense.
Anyway - not a bad movie overall. Not great, could have been better, but not bad.
Blah blah. Go love the JJbramfication of everything
:D
The wife and I rented this from Amazon Prime last night. Never saw it in the theater due to travel and her Dad's health issues.
The villain was just awful. Not awful enough to be comic, but he was really a terrible villain. Need a good villain for a good superhero movie (except Deadpool which is a romantic comedy). The villain for Suicide Squad was better.
All of the individual characters were good. WW was very good (and hot). Flash was funny. Aquaman could swim fast, talk to fish, and hold some water back occasionally. He was pretty strong and could fish really well. Batman was OK. Cyborg was boring to me but my wife liked him. But Steppenwolf was just horrible.
I agree with the others that this was very good for DC but a "B-" overall because the villain was so lame and resurrecting Superman to save everyone is lame and boring. Superman is boring. Hate Superman.
Steppenwolf was a terrible villain, but I'm not sure what's her face in Suicide Squad was better. DC does a worse job with villains than Marvel and that's saying something because most Marvel villains suck.
I actually liked Superman in Justice League. He finally had a little bit of a sense of humor which I think is needed for that character.
Anyway, your score for the movie is fair.
Quote from: mirth on April 03, 2018, 10:06:10 AM
I actually liked Superman in Justice League. He finally had a little bit of a sense of humor which I think is needed for that character.
He certainly kept a stiff upper lip.
http://instantrimshot.com/index.php?sound=rimshot&play=true
One of the best so far.
How about, "it shouldn't have been made in the first place."
Quote from: BanzaiCat on April 09, 2018, 03:37:11 PM
How about, "it shouldn't have been made in the first place."
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Looks like da Justice League can't get no 'justice'! What chu talkin' bout BC?