A promo video for B-17 Flying Fortress Leader!
https://youtu.be/DIj2z1eYZeE
This got pushed off until February, I think.
When will the new Israeli leader game come out??
I love Dan's games - I do - but he needs to do a bit more for people.
By that I mean he often posts and then disappears. He never, ever (that I've seen) follows his threads up...he never checks in to see if anyone has any questions. It's like a one stop, fire off marketing strategy...almost like a digital spam posts.
I wouldn't be surprised if they're somehow posted automatically.
If I was running around marketing my product, I would definitely be checking in after a few days (wherever I posted) to see who had questions....at least once. It just goes to show you're paying attention to the people you're aiming your products at.
It's the same on the Kickstarter page. A bunch of us backers have posted asking for any info on delivery but not one word from DVG. Last thing was basically "Hey! Back our Israeli Air Force game too!" Not impressed with the customer service so far.
Quote from: JudgeDredd on December 13, 2016, 01:39:54 AM
I love Dan's games - I do - but he needs to do a bit more for people.
By that I mean he often posts and then disappears. He never, ever (that I've seen) follows his threads up...he never checks in to see if anyone has any questions. It's like a one stop, fire off marketing strategy...almost like a digital spam posts.
I wouldn't be surprised if they're somehow posted automatically.
If I was running around marketing my product, I would definitely be checking in after a few days (wherever I posted) to see who had questions....at least once. It just goes to show you're paying attention to the people you're aiming your products at.
I've seen you post questions before and wanted to drive down there and give you a big hug and whisper 'there's no one there JD, there's no one there'
When your last question was answered with
'Hiiiiiiiiiii, buy more of my games over here' I thought you would give up
it looks like beside a promo thread start he confines his activity to Facebook
expect a one hit wonder Sherman Tank leader kickstarter promo thread materialize here any hour ^-^
personally i would have like to see the Huey Leader Game in the production queue first.
or the next wave of Warfighter Modern goodies.
Sherman Tank ? that Tiger Games was IMHO already ...Meh! compared to outstanding TAL
Quote from: undercovergeek on December 13, 2016, 08:33:51 AM
Quote from: JudgeDredd on December 13, 2016, 01:39:54 AM
I love Dan's games - I do - but he needs to do a bit more for people.
By that I mean he often posts and then disappears. He never, ever (that I've seen) follows his threads up...he never checks in to see if anyone has any questions. It's like a one stop, fire off marketing strategy...almost like a digital spam posts.
I wouldn't be surprised if they're somehow posted automatically.
If I was running around marketing my product, I would definitely be checking in after a few days (wherever I posted) to see who had questions....at least once. It just goes to show you're paying attention to the people you're aiming your products at.
I've seen you post questions before and wanted to drive down there and give you a big hug and whisper 'there's no one there JD, there's no one there'
When your last question was answered with
'Hiiiiiiiiiii, buy more of my games over here' I thought you would give up
I would've taken that hug :hug:
Quote from: MikeGER on December 13, 2016, 10:18:10 AM
it looks like beside a promo thread start he confines his activity to Facebook
expect a one hit wonder Sherman Tank leader kickstarter promo thread materialize here any hour ^-^
personally i would have like to see the Huey Leader Game in the production queue first.
or the next wave of Warfighter Modern goodies.
Sherman Tank ? that Tiger Games was IMHO already ...Meh! compared to outstanding TAL
I'm sure I've got Huey Leader on Pre-order - paid £5 for it (and IAF).
Perhaps it's just not worth pre-ordering board games if they are nowhere to be seen. I mean - how did the shop that I pre-ordered for actually get the details when it's not even in the queue?? :knuppel2:
Quote from: JudgeDredd on December 13, 2016, 01:39:54 AM
I love Dan's games - I do - but he needs to do a bit more for people.
I love them too...but would really love them if he had more than just tepid support for Vassal.
Quote from: ArizonaTank on December 14, 2016, 01:15:17 AM
Quote from: JudgeDredd on December 13, 2016, 01:39:54 AM
I love Dan's games - I do - but he needs to do a bit more for people.
I love them too...but would really love them if he had more than just tepid support for Vassal.
ArizonaTank, if you happen to have that 'Tabletop Simulator' in you Steam library collection
there is a free user made module of Warfighter Modern (the whole shebang!) so you can play a little in that virtual environment also.
I hope more DVG fan made stuff will show up there
(AFAIK DVG had sold their rights for Tabletop Simulator version of that game to Berserker-Games and they tolerate user made modules until they bring an official released version to buy from them on the market)
Quote from: JudgeDredd on December 13, 2016, 01:39:54 AM
I like Dan - I do - but he needs to do a bit (lot) more when developing his games.
Fixed it for you. ;)
I pestered them via FB. They posted an update on KS. Game is now scheduled for a February release.
The Delivery date got pushed back to March (according to the KS page update by Dan). :(
BTW, I posted the Single Bomber Mission Log Sheet/Rules and the B-17 Leader/Down in Flames Rules on the BGG site (files section).
https://www.boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/188164/b-17-flying-fortress-leader
The latest update is kind of a downer...
QuoteA Mess
Posted by Dan Verssen (Creator)
The past few weeks have been filled with bad news.
The plan was to have Tumbling Dice produce the minis, ship them to China, where the printer would insert the pre-bagged minis, stands, and magnets into the game boxes. Once that was done, China would ship me the games.
Seemed like a simple enough plan.
So, Tumbling Dice produced the minis. Yay!
Tumbling Dice shipped them to China, while the printer was printing the components. Yay!
The boxes of minis arrived in China and were stopped by customs for inspection. Not a big surprise.
Then the bad news.
Because the minis are considered toys, customs wanted "at least" $5000 in import taxes (roughly twice the value of the shipment) to "see about" allowing the minis into China.
The printer agreed that this was not a good option. So, they tried to send the boxes back to Tumbling Dice. Only to find out that because the boxes contain tiny 2mm and 3mm magnets, China would not approve them for air freight. So, they would have to be sent back to the UK via... ship. Which would take 6 to 8 weeks.
It appears, appears, that somehow the printer was able to get them back to the UK in a matter of days, not weeks. I will know more in the next few days. I'm not going to ask how they did it. At several times they mentioned making "special payments" for approval which I'm sure does not mean what some people might (incorrectly) guess it means. I'm thinking it's probably just a translation error. In fact, I'm sure of it.
Through all of this, Tumbling Dice and the printer have gone above and beyond to bring this all together and I appreciate everything they have done. Thank you!
Sounds like they're finally shipping. Communication's still not the greatest. A number of people on the KS page said they'd received shipping notifications from UPS last week. DVG's update today said they were shipping out today in the US. International customers would get theirs shipped from the UK but that the games hadn't arrived there yet.
I thought it was a bit strange that they'd ship to Canada from the UK but as I hadn't received any shipping info from DVG (despite asking them on KS and FB) so I called them. Said everyone in the US, Canada, and Mexico should have their copy shipped by Thursday at the latest. UK stuff should be arriving at the same time and start shipping out then.
answered my own question...sorry
I just watched a 45 minute youtube video by the developer...the game looks good, but not as good as Thunderbolt/Apache Leader, in my opinion.
Also...I got a good deal on TAL online, but this is a one hundred dollar boardgame, with another twenty dollars for shipping. I just can't see paying that much money...no matter how great the game.
My copy has gone MIA after it shipped out from the UK. Can't get a straight answer out of the shipping company and DVG isn't answering on KS or FB.
EDIT: I was able to get in touch with someone at DVG via phone and they took down my info and said they'd mail another copy. Fingers crossed.
Turns out the courier screwed up twice. Not only did he drop it off without a signature (even though the email said it was signed for) but he went to the wrong street and the wrong street number on that street.
The lady who lives there was kind enough to walk my package over this evening and drop it off. Hopefully I can get in touch with DVG first thing tomorrow morning before they ship out another copy.
^You're lucky to have such a nice neighbor. Here in DC that package would have never been seen again. :buck2:
This is the kind of thing that drives me nuts:
https://boardgamegeek.com/filepage/146690/b-17-ffl-rulebook-version-2-draft
DRAFT of VERSION 2?
Whiskey the Actual Foxtrot shipped with this game?
I don't much care for solo games and this one was never in my wheelhouse, but Bruce Geryk;s "Wild Weasel" #10 turned me on to the mess that was this rulebook at launch. I understand the distinction between procedural and more traditional rulebooks -- I far prefer the latter -- but this reads as more fundamental than that.
Between this and "Tiger Leader", it's really starting to sound like Mr. Verssen needs to slow the heck down and hire an editor or three.
I'm glad he's responding and fixing it. That's good. It should never have been released in such a state.
Kickstarter = fast money = poison to quality...
I'm not too bothered by the changes to the rule book. That's easy enough to print out once it's fine she'd with the editing. It's all the mistakes on the components that disappoint me. The cost for one of the bomber groups is incorrect on the card. The dispersion penalty info is missing from one of the bomber group chits. Date available for the jet fighter groups is wrong on the cards. German tech development time is wrong on the cards and in the rule book but correct on the chits. The game flow chart printed on the board is missing key steps. Setup info on one of the mission cards is wrong.
Quote from: Silent Disapproval Robot on May 17, 2017, 03:55:03 PM
I'm not too bothered by the changes to the rule book. That's easy enough to print out once it's fine she'd with the editing. It's all the mistakes on the components that disappoint me. The cost for one of the bomber groups is incorrect on the card. The dispersion penalty info is missing from one of the bomber group chits. Date available for the jet fighter groups is wrong on the cards. German tech development time is wrong on the cards and in the rule book but correct on the chits. The game flow chart printed on the board is missing key steps. Setup info on one of the mission cards is wrong.
I just bought this Sunday. Can you please more clearly ID the problems? This will save me doing the research.
I DID download version 2 of the rulebook from boardgame geek...and still have to print it out and micro the original game.
You can find the errata for the components in the back of v2 of the rulebook. I'd recommend printing an extra copy of the revised sequence of play chart and keeping that handy for playthroughs.
Quote from: Silent Disapproval Robot on May 31, 2017, 04:42:27 PM
You can find the errata for the components in the back of v2 of the rulebook. I'd recommend printing an extra copy of the revised sequence of play chart and keeping that handy for playthroughs.
I printed out the entire version 2 rulebook, in color. I then put the entire thing in document protectors, and a small binder. I am nothing if not thorough!
I haven't edited the game itself, to take into account the errata.
I just got off work an hour ago, and don't need to go back until 6/12. This, and WWII Warfighter will keep me very busy for the next week plus! :uglystupid2:
You may want to print out the example of play from the first ed. rulebook as well since the updated .pdf rulebooks no longer contain it.
Quote from: Silent Disapproval Robot on June 02, 2017, 01:01:44 PM
You may want to print out the example of play from the first ed. rulebook as well since the updated .pdf rulebooks no longer contain it.
Will do. Good call. I did watch the 45 minute long let's play by Dan. Seems reasonably simple.