My entire life, I've somehow managed to not play any of the Civ titles. It was never on purpose, really -- I just never got around to it.
That will change, however, when my copy of Civ IV: Complete arrives from Amazon. OJsDad had noticed Amazon was selling it for $25.50 (physical copy), which I deemed to be a reasonable enough price. Now I just have to wait til it gets delivered (I'm guessing sometime the first week of July) to check it out.
I'm simultaneously anticipating and dreading this...
Whenever you are ready to get serious about playing this, drop me a line. I am certainly not the best player of this game, but I sure do enjoy playing this game. As a matter of fact, as soon as I am done reading the forums this morning, it will be on to my ongoing Rhye's and Fall of Civilization scenario I have going. I am the Middle Kingdom of China and I am getting my a$$ handed to me.
I recall attempting to play the first Civ, or maybe the second, and also giving Alpha Centauri a try long ago too. I just couldn't get into them back then.
A couple years ago, an old friend of mine gave me his Civ 4 because he couldn't get into it. So I figured.. "what the hell, surely it's been improved over the years", and fired it up. I enjoyed Civ 4 for the light turn-based game it is. I certainly enjoyed it more than my earlier tries at the series.
I'm sure you'll also have some fun with it here & there.
Weird, I just reinstalled Civ4 earlier today! Started a game as the Egyptians. Will probably play it quite a bit tonight.
Why did you go for 4 and not 5, Martok?
Quote from: Martok on June 23, 2012, 09:44:58 AM
My entire life, I've somehow managed to not play any of the Civ titles. It was never on purpose, really -- I just never got around to it.
That will change, however, when my copy of Civ IV: Complete arrives from Amazon. OJsDad had noticed Amazon was selling it for $25.50 (physical copy), which I deemed to be a reasonable enough price. Now I just have to wait til it gets delivered (I'm guessing sometime the first week of July) to check it out.
I'm simultaneously anticipating and dreading this...
I also own Civ 4. Let me know when your copy arrives if you want to try some multiplayer. We will be at the same level as I have not yet played it.
Congratulations, Martok. Civilization IV: The Complete Edition includes the reimagined Colonization along with the base game and its two expansions. That will provide you with many hours of PC gaming.
Quote from: Greybriar on June 23, 2012, 03:19:17 PM
Congratulations, Martok. Civilization IV: The Complete Edition includes the reimagined Colonization [/b]along with the base game and its two expansions. That will provide you with many hours of PC gaming.
WOT?!
I've wanted to play an updated
Colonization, and I'm a bit wary of just how much a Civ mod would play like the original. I don't have the Complete Edition, obviously.
So tell me more. Is it just a wannabe mod or is that actually a good representation?
I had Civ4 and I think I sold it.
I think on the whole the Civ Series is beautiful conceived. However, I could never deal with end game when there are tons of military units and wars require the move of each and every unit.
It just gets so tedious.
I did play quite a bit of the original Civ.
Also, I don't know who said it, but despite all the automation aids which were added through the versions, Civ1 has the most snappy game play feel. I think I can agree with that. Too many games tend to ever increasing complexity and lose the essence which made them what they were.
Quote from: Nefaro on June 23, 2012, 03:37:23 PM
I've wanted to play an updated Colonization, and I'm a bit wary of just how much a Civ mod would play like the original. I don't have the Complete Edition, obviously.
So tell me more. Is it just a wannabe mod or is that actually a good representation?
In my opinion,
Sid Meier's Civilization IV: Colonization (http://www.firaxis.com/games/game_detail.php?gameid=21) is not as much fun as the original
Colonization. There have been some improvements--galleons can carry more than one treasure, ships can carry wagons, and the graphics are updated. But the mechanics of immigration as well as those of educating/training colonists was changed and "on-the-job training" was removed. The Fountain of Youth and the Custom House were done away with. The cost of horses was increased dramatically in the first patch, so unless you have a Seasoned Scout waiting on the immigrant dock when the game starts, you may as well start over.
This thread (http://www.gog.com/en/forum/colonization_sid_meiers/bravo_gog_well_trolled/page1) at the GOG forums may be of interest to you.
Quote from: Greybriar on June 23, 2012, 06:34:17 PM
Quote from: Nefaro on June 23, 2012, 03:37:23 PM
I've wanted to play an updated Colonization, and I'm a bit wary of just how much a Civ mod would play like the original. I don't have the Complete Edition, obviously.
So tell me more. Is it just a wannabe mod or is that actually a good representation?
In my opinion, Sid Meier's Civilization IV: Colonization (http://www.firaxis.com/games/game_detail.php?gameid=21) is not as much fun as the original Colonization. There have been some improvements--galleons can carry more than one treasure, ships can carry wagons, and the graphics are updated. But the mechanics of immigration as well as those of educating/training colonists was changed and "on-the-job training" was removed. The Fountain of Youth and the Custom House were done away with. The cost of horses was increased dramatically in the first patch, so unless you have a Seasoned Scout waiting on the immigrant dock when the game starts, you may as well start over.
This thread (http://www.gog.com/en/forum/colonization_sid_meiers/bravo_gog_well_trolled/page1) at the GOG forums may be of interest to you.
Thanks GB.
You're welcome, Nefaro.
Quote from: MetalDog on June 23, 2012, 09:58:49 AM
Whenever you are ready to get serious about playing this, drop me a line.
Quote from: Shelldrake on June 23, 2012, 12:36:55 PM
I also own Civ 4. Let me know when your copy arrives if you want to try some multiplayer. We will be at the same level as I have not yet played it.
Roger that. :)
Quote from: Huw the Poo on June 23, 2012, 11:50:28 AM
Why did you go for 4 and not 5, Martok?
Three reasons, mainly. In no particular order:
1.)
Civilization IV doesn't require Steam.
2.) As I mentioned over in the
Civ V: Gods and Kings thread, there's long been a pretty solid consensus (at least on just about all the game sites I've ever frequented) that Civ IV is generally considered excellent. On the other hand, opinion on Civ V is clearly far more...divided. If I'm going to spend money -- and even more importantly, time -- on one of these two titles, then Civ IV seemed like the safer bet.
3.) Whenever possible -- and assuming I can stand to wait long enough! -- I like to purchase a game with all its expansions/DLC in a single package/bundle. Civ IV already comes in such a package, whereas it's obviously going to be a while yet before we'll see something similar for Civ V.
Quote from: Greybriar on June 23, 2012, 03:19:17 PM
Congratulations, Martok. Civilization IV: The Complete Edition includes the reimagined Colonization along with the base game and its two expansions. That will provide you with many hours of PC gaming.
Thanks
Greybriar! I am definitely looking forward to it. :D
I was once a Civ junkie. Wasted many many many years playing all the civs particularly Civ3. I'm a reformed addict now but if you ever get the urge to PBEM or live MultiPlay let me know. I guess I could delve into the abyss again! :D
^Don't let him fool you. He'd throw his own mother under the bus to get some Civ play time in! ;-)
Yeah, something tells me it wouldn't require much arm-twisting to bring him back... ;)
Yea!!! Mine shipped today. Should be here Monday.
Mine shipped on Tuesday, so it'll be interesting to see if I get it before the 4th or not.
Of course, later that same evening, I saw Target is now selling the game (same edition) for just $21. Argh!
I got my copy today. I'm shocked that the USPS got it here early.
Martok, you're going to get a bonus. This copy I got comes with both CIV III and CIV IV complete editions, all on a single disk. I already had CIV III, but it's still a nice bonus. I don't have time to load today, as I have to head for Columbus in 30 mins, so will load tomorrow.
Coolio!
Did your copy come in a DVD case, by the way?
Yes. No manual or anything else but a single dvd
Between being on way to Columbus for wedding and no power at home I did get to load it yet. We got hit with large storms yesterday. Over half of aep customers in the six couty area are out. We are on coop had power until about an hour ago. Wedding were going to has no power along with large parts of columbus
This is strange. I got the game loaded and there are four desktop icons. One for Colonization, which was expected, and then three for Civ IV, one Complete, one Warlord and one Beyond the Sword. Silly me, thought using the Complete icon would give you the base game plus all of the expansions. However, that does not seem to be the case. For some reason, the Complete version seems to be only the base game. Just looking at the available civs is enough to see this.
Quote from: OJsDad on June 30, 2012, 02:17:30 PM
Between being on way to Columbus for wedding and no power at home I did get to load it yet. We got hit with large storms yesterday. Over half of aep customers in the six couty area are out. We are on coop had power until about an hour ago. Wedding were going to has no power along with large parts of columbus
Ugh. That sounds familiar (I'm suddenly having flashbacks to last weekend). I hope everything turned out all right!
Quote from: OJsDad on July 01, 2012, 08:43:49 AM
This is strange. I got the game loaded and there are four desktop icons. One for Colonization, which was expected, and then three for Civ IV, one Complete, one Warlord and one Beyond the Sword. Silly me, thought using the Complete icon would give you the base game plus all of the expansions. However, that does not seem to be the case. For some reason, the Complete version seems to be only the base game. Just looking at the available civs is enough to see this.
Huh. Yeah, that's weird.
So whenever I get my copy (hurry up, damn you!), I'm going to want to click the
Beyond the Sword icon then, correct?
Warlords and Beyond The Sword (BTS) each add more content to the base game. That's why there are seperate icons for each game. Honestly, I would start with the base game to familiarize myself with the game and concepts before tackling the expansions. Then again, you can do like most of us guys and just load it and start playing. Figure it out as you go along.
Ahhh the memories of play by email games with Civ IV. Great times.... Slow but fun.
I've played all the Civ games since they were released and every new one has become a favourite. I know a lot of people love Civ II more than any of them but when Civ III came out I preferred that, when Civ IV came out I preferred than and now Civ V is my favourite.
Single player games of Civ are great but the most fun is playing human opponents. I don't have time to sit and have a long multiplayer session so I always preferred play by Email. It's slow.... Very slow but I don't mind that.
There doesn't seem to be a tutorial with either Warlords or BTS, so you'll want to go into complete and go through the tutorial there. I think it took me about 45mins. It leaves a lot to be desired.
Manuals don't seem to be copied over from the DVD to the HD either, so you'll want to grab them.
My copy has arrived! Woot!
^We won't be seeing you for a while :-) Happy gaming!
Question: Since this isn't actually what I ordered (I was expecting just the Civ IV: Complete Edition, but received Civ IV: Complete plus Civ III: Complete), does anyone know if there's onerous DRM on this package? Or is it the same?
I do not. My IV Complete was purchased at Target and didn't come with III.
Quote from: Martok on July 05, 2012, 10:53:01 PM
Question: Since this isn't actually what I ordered (I was expecting just the Civ IV: Complete Edition, but received Civ IV: Complete plus Civ III: Complete), does anyone know if there's onerous DRM on this package? Or is it the same?
Civilization III Complete has SecuROM according to DAEMON Tools (http://forum.daemon-tools.cc/gamedb.php?letter=C).
There are two games with very similar names:
Civilization IV Complete (http://www.mobygames.com/game/windows/sid-meiers-civilization-iv-complete) (2007) and
Civilization IV The Complete Edition (http://www.mobygames.com/game/sid-meiers-civilization-iv-the-complete-edition) (2009). The earlier one did not include
Colonization. The version you have was touted (http://www.2kgames.com/civ4/complete/) as being
"DRM Free: The complete Civ IV experience with no Digital Rights Management limitations."
Quote from: Greybriar on July 06, 2012, 06:22:38 AM
The version you have was touted (http://www.2kgames.com/civ4/complete/) as being "DRM Free: The complete Civ IV experience with no Digital Rights Management limitations."
See, that's the problem: While that is indeed what I *ordered* (and I ordered that specific version partially because it's DRM-free), it's not what I actually *received*.
This (http://www.amazon.com/Sid-Meiers-Civilization-IV-Complete-Pc/dp/B0026EGO3A/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1341576694&sr=8-2&keywords=Civilization+III+%26+IV+Complete+Edition) is what I ordered, but this (http://www.amazon.com/CIVILIZATION-3-AND-4-COMPLETE-Pc/dp/B005UKT826/ref=sr_1_9?ie=UTF8&qid=1341576694&sr=8-9&keywords=Civilization+III+%26+IV+Complete+Edition) is what I got. (Also, I see the latter product is far cheaper, which does not amuse me.)
EDIT: I looked up the License Agreement on the Take2 site. I'm not sure exactly what this part means, but it does concern me a little:
Quote
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The version I have is Civ 4 Complete (includes Civ 4 GOTY + Warlords + Beyond the Sword expansions), no Civ 3 and no Colonization. It is from Take 2 so sounds like the 2007 version.
Quote from: Martok on July 06, 2012, 07:16:43 AM
See, that's the problem: While that is indeed what I *ordered* (and I ordered that specific version partially because it's DRM-free), it's not what I actually *received*....
Unless you like Civ3 (and I'm not one of its followers, although some are) and don't mind missing out on Civ4
Colonization, I would demand a refund or
Civ 4: The Complete Edition.
You guys setting up an PBEM game?
Quote from: Greybriar on July 06, 2012, 11:28:54 AM
Quote from: Martok on July 06, 2012, 07:16:43 AM
See, that's the problem: While that is indeed what I *ordered* (and I ordered that specific version partially because it's DRM-free), it's not what I actually *received*....
Unless you like Civ3 (and I'm not one of its followers, although some are) and don't mind missing out on Civ4 Colonization, I would demand a refund or Civ 4: The Complete Edition.
Thanks
Greybriar. That's what I'm starting to contemplate (demanding a refund).
I'd determined long ago (based on what I'd seen/heard) that I had no interest in Civ III. And since I can't tell whether or not this bundle has the same lack of DRM, I'm not inclined to keep it in any case.
Quote from: Bismarck on July 06, 2012, 11:55:19 AM
You guys setting up an PBEM game?
Possibly.
OJsDad and I have been discussing doing one together (since we're both Civ IV virgins), plus both
MetalDog &
W8taminute have expressed interest in a PBEM game as well.
Quote from: Martok on July 06, 2012, 01:16:25 PM
Quote from: Bismarck on July 06, 2012, 11:55:19 AM
You guys setting up an PBEM game?
Possibly. OJsDad and I have been discussing doing one together (since we're both Civ IV virgins), plus both MetalDog & W8taminute have expressed interest in a PBEM game as well.
Me too please!
Quote from: Barthheart on July 06, 2012, 02:15:42 PM
Quote from: Martok on July 06, 2012, 01:16:25 PM
Quote from: Bismarck on July 06, 2012, 11:55:19 AM
You guys setting up an PBEM game?
Possibly. OJsDad and I have been discussing doing one together (since we're both Civ IV virgins), plus both MetalDog & W8taminute have expressed interest in a PBEM game as well.
Me too please!
And me!
Well I contacted Amazon tonight, and they're sending me a shipping label so I can return it for a refund. In the meantime, I'll see if I can't pick up a copy of
Civ IV: The Complete Edition at my local store sometime in the next day or two.
Quote from: Shelldrake on July 06, 2012, 03:34:39 PM
Quote from: Barthheart on July 06, 2012, 02:15:42 PM
Quote from: Martok on July 06, 2012, 01:16:25 PM
Quote from: Bismarck on July 06, 2012, 11:55:19 AM
You guys setting up an PBEM game?
Possibly. OJsDad and I have been discussing doing one together (since we're both Civ IV virgins), plus both MetalDog & W8taminute have expressed interest in a PBEM game as well.
Me too please!
And me!
Well damn, looks like it's gonna be a party!
Of course, you realize there's nothing stopping the rest of you guys from getting a PBEM campaign going in the meantime.
OJsDad and I are gonna need a little shakedown time with the game first anyway, so no need to wait for us. 8)
I'll break out the Civ4 for some pbem if there's room.
Alright, it DOES sound like a party! Anyone interested, send me a PM. Please include suggestions for map size, victory conditions, etc. Once we get this going, we can start another one when Martok and OJs Dad get comfy.
Now I'm pissed off...
So I went to Target this morning after work to pick up a copy of Civilization IV: The Complete Edition...only to discover that they're completely out already. What's more, none of the three next closest Targets have it either (they checked for me). I went to four other stores in town, and none of them carried it at all.
I then look to see if I can order the game directly from the Take 2 site. It turns out I can...but at the price of 40 bucks.
Un-f*****g-believable.
^Just get it on Steam... Ya know ya wanna.... ;)
Bartheart, my friend, you know I love you...but right now I want to smack you upside the head. :P
Quote from: Martok on July 08, 2012, 03:10:59 PM
Bartheart, my friend, you know I love you...but right now I want to smack you upside the head. :P
Love you too man!
8)
Quote from: Martok on July 08, 2012, 02:34:25 PM
Now I'm pissed off...
So I went to Target this morning after work to pick up a copy of Civilization IV: The Complete Edition...only to discover that they're completely out already. What's more, none of the three next closest Targets have it either (they checked for me). I went to four other stores in town, and none of them carried it at all.
I then look to see if I can order the game directly from the Take 2 site. It turns out I can...but at the price of 40 bucks.
Un-f*****g-believable.
Martok,
NWS Online has Civ 4 Complete for $10.
http://yhst-12000246778232.stores.yahoo.net/ci4co.html
They give excellent service and if you email Chris he will confirm that you get the version you want.
Quote from: Shelldrake on July 08, 2012, 03:16:21 PM
Quote from: Martok on July 08, 2012, 02:34:25 PM
Now I'm pissed off...
So I went to Target this morning after work to pick up a copy of Civilization IV: The Complete Edition...only to discover that they're completely out already. What's more, none of the three next closest Targets have it either (they checked for me). I went to four other stores in town, and none of them carried it at all.
I then look to see if I can order the game directly from the Take 2 site. It turns out I can...but at the price of 40 bucks.
Un-f*****g-believable.
Martok,
NWS Online has Civ 4 Complete for $10.
http://yhst-12000246778232.stores.yahoo.net/ci4co.html
They give excellent service and if you email Chris he will confirm that you get the version you want.
+1 for NWS!
Thanks guys! I'll check it out.
Rejoice! It appears the gaming gods have taken pity on me.
While on my weekend vacation driving around the state and visiting people, I randomly stopped at a Target store (in Rochester) to pick up a couple things for the road. While there, I decided to quick check the PC games section on the off-chance they still had some of those copies of Civ IV Complete for $20...and lo & behold they did!
So now I have the specific version of the game I want, and at a slightly cheaper price. Huzzah!
Congrats Martok
Good deal. Now, if I can figure out how to set the SMTP server, we can MP PBEM.
Civilization IV: Complete (http://www.mobygames.com/game/windows/sid-meiers-civilization-iv-complete) or Civilization IV: The Complete Edition (http://www.mobygames.com/game/windows/sid-meiers-civilization-iv-the-complete-edition)? The former does not include Civilization IV: Colonization (http://www.mobygames.com/game/sid-meiers-civilization-iv-colonization) and the latter does.
But regardless of which one you got, I am glad to hear that you are happy with your purchase, Martok.
Installing now!
Of course, I'll probably have to wait to actually play it til after I wake up. Gah!
Quote from: Greybriar on July 23, 2012, 08:21:15 PM
Civilization IV: Complete (http://www.mobygames.com/game/windows/sid-meiers-civilization-iv-complete) or Civilization IV: The Complete Edition (http://www.mobygames.com/game/windows/sid-meiers-civilization-iv-the-complete-edition)? The former does not include Civilization IV: Colonization (http://www.mobygames.com/game/sid-meiers-civilization-iv-colonization) and the latter does.
But regardless of which one you got, I am glad to hear that you are happy with your purchase, Martok.
I got the latter, just like what I'd originally ordered (but didn't receive). So I'm definitely good. :D
Quote from: Martok on July 24, 2012, 08:49:54 AM
....I got the latter, just like what I'd originally ordered (but didn't receive). So I'm definitely good. :D
Outstanding! You did well.
Ye gods, I think I spent over three hours just playing the tutorial scenario! I swear it didn't feel like that much time had passed... :o
Say goodbye to sleep for a while :-)
Quote from: Martok on July 30, 2012, 08:47:50 AM
Ye gods, I think I spent over three hours just playing the tutorial scenario! I swear it didn't feel like that much time had passed... :o
Don't worry this phase will pass. Soon it'll be 5 hours have passed before you know it!
Bison's right. Although, it's customary to keep an accurate count of how many times you said, "Just one more turn" until you reach a thousand. Shouldn't take but a few days :-)