The story is developing and is still based on unconfirmed reports
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4569638/Car-ploughs-20-people-London-Bridge.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4569638/Car-ploughs-20-people-London-Bridge.html)
Shit, not again...
Prayers for the victims. :(
>:(
As if every week is Ramadan nowadays.
>:(
Has been reports of accompanying knife attacks.
Maybe it's the Buddhists .. or something? ::)
Dammit, we need to stop this crap. :tickedoff:
How? Ban all vans and small trucks?
Knife attacks as well.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/03/world/europe/london-bridge-van.html
.....
Just another holiday season.
You know, I can't even muster a response to these anymore beyond just weak sickened defeated depression.
Pointless waste of lives. So sad.
Quote from: Staggerwing on June 03, 2017, 06:00:45 PM
How? Ban all vans and small trucks?
Staggerwing - actually, it is easier than you think to significantly reduce a nation's risk to this sort of thing. In this instances, like many others previously, we will find out later that these people have been subject to police surveillance at some stage, but, that the police stopped tracking them because the police simply do not have the resources to track all suspects in order to obtain sufficient evidence to lay criminal charges. In a recent report, the UK Government said they believed 3,000 persons had been radicalised and posed a threat, and a further 20,000 (based on national surveys) displayed some sympathies to radical Islam.
Is there anything that can be done? We can use technology, a 'tweaking' of the laws that apply to other criminals and stronger law enforcement to collectively reduce the risks.
In Australia, if you try and unlawfully download movies and similar IP protected materials by visiting certain websites your ISP is required to report you. The ISP can ban you if you repeat the transgression and give your name and contact details to various US companies who may wish to sue you in court - all for trying to download a copy of a 10 year old movie!
Separately, people who visit and view child pornography are routinely tracked, identified and arrested (and do serious time in jail) - locking up these people is something I fully support.
If that type of legal action is generally acceptable to society and has been legislated, there is no reason why we should not electronically track and identify people visiting certain ISIS and similar terrorist website and who are participating in radicalised activity over the net. We should change the law to bring it into line with the examples I have indicated above. People supporting terrorist groups by visiting their websites and communicating with them should be identified and hunted down. If these people are not citizens then deport them - no ifs or buts - and if they are citizens, lock them up in the same way we do to paedophiles.
Imprisoned radicals will find it harder to carry out terrorist activities. This is not a total cure, but, it will certainly substantially reduce the problem. We can also engage them in the fight at a time and place of society's choosing. We will regain the initiative in what is a low-level armed conflict.
Western lawmakers are more worried about being labelled as racists/bigots/whatever than implementing a more aggressive policy to save lives and prevent such things.
Doubly so, since many don't even want to curb the influx of a violent foreign culture & belief system predicated on imposing itself over others. The people running the show attempt to increase it, for reasons I won't speculate here, while making excuses for, and downplaying, the accompanying violence. In some places, even going so far as to investigate or arrest people who speak against it. :uglystupid2:
Meanwhile, Grande, Bieber, et al, held a concert to promote hugs and openness as the solution to all our problems.
I would say they're addressing the wrong people, but they know who they're addressing (i.e., not radical Muslims, the ones who actually attacked Grande.)
Fuck yeah, Millwall!
http://www.unilad.co.uk/news/lion-of-london-bridge-took-on-london-terror-attackers-with-bare-fists/
I read about that guy yesterday and had the same reaction - he should never pay for another pint for the rest of his life!
Quote from: Gusington on June 07, 2017, 08:27:08 AM
I read about that guy yesterday and had the same reaction - he should never pay for another pint for the rest of his life!
Or never have to pay for a premium seat at Millwall games.
Vote him in to Parliament. Or Funkadelic. He can handle both.
Quote from: Gusington on June 07, 2017, 08:51:01 AM
Vote him in to Parliament. Or Funkadelic. He can handle both.
HA!
(well-played... :clap: )
Thank you.
Damn! What was he drinking? I also heard about a bouncer at a down town bar that saved a bunch of people by throwing chairs and beer bottles at the "Man-Made Diaster" specialists. Way to go Britain! :bd:
Quote from: bayonetbrant on June 07, 2017, 08:13:40 AM
Fuck yeah, Millwall!
http://www.unilad.co.uk/news/lion-of-london-bridge-took-on-london-terror-attackers-with-bare-fists/
Ha awesome
We don't need armed police we need West Ham, Chelsea and millwall fans patrolling the streets
Quote from: bayonetbrant on June 07, 2017, 08:13:40 AM
Fuck yeah, Millwall!
http://www.unilad.co.uk/news/lion-of-london-bridge-took-on-london-terror-attackers-with-bare-fists/
:bd:
UCG I think you just solved the problem.
Get a few toon fans as well.
Toon?
LOL - ask Brant, he'll explain :-)
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Quote from: undercovergeek on June 07, 2017, 11:22:53 AM
Quote from: bayonetbrant on June 07, 2017, 08:13:40 AM
Fuck yeah, Millwall!
http://www.unilad.co.uk/news/lion-of-london-bridge-took-on-london-terror-attackers-with-bare-fists/
Ha awesome
We don't need armed police we need West Ham, Chelsea and millwall fans patrolling the streets
Just not the same streets at the same time...
Quote from: bob48 on June 07, 2017, 05:23:16 PM
LOL - ask Brant, he'll explain :-)
let'em figure it out ;)
...or use Google.....
Howay the lads ;D
Unlike these fuckers
Daily Mail: Saudi soccer team refuse to stand for London victims.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4584294/Saudi-soccer-team-refuse-stand-London-victims.html
Says so much. But we won't learn.
Throw the buggers out.
Saudi Arabia has a soccer team? :o What, do they drive around in golf carts and stop to have the drivers get out and kick the ball when they get to it? That actually might make soccer interesting to watch.
tells it all!
even if the players were not informed/briefed on opening procedure they could just have mirrored the behavior of the other team (standing as a looser group near the circle and with a puzzled expression looking around and to the coach for advice) That is what normally people would do
...that was clearly deliberat!
Saudi Arabia can shove their apologies elsewhere.
Quote from: Sir Slash on June 08, 2017, 09:58:15 PMSaudi Arabia has a soccer team?
They're actually not half-bad within the AFC, but as soon as they get to the World Cup, they get clobbered by real teams.
But plenty of other teams have noted their attitude of arrogance and self-entitlement, even after being on the losing end of 5-0 and 7-0 drubbings.
I work with an 82 year old retired USAF pilot who also had several other fascinating careers after retiring from the service. He lived in SA for years and has told me tales of the mostly utter uselessness and arrogance of most Sunni (Saudi) Arabs.
He also spent time in Iran and was much more impressed with the Iranians and their Shiite/Persian culture, though he's equally disgusted with their government as he is with SA's.
Quote from: Ubercat on June 09, 2017, 08:45:33 AMI work with an 82 year old retired USAF pilot who also had several other fascinating careers after retiring from the service. He lived in SA for years and has told me tales of the mostly utter uselessness and arrogance of most Sunni (Saudi) Arabs.
When I was at Ft Knox, I played for the base soccer team. We used to practice out on the big parade ground in the middle of the base, and on the soccer goals next to ours, a bunch of the foreign students would have their regular afternoon pickup games - a mixture of Saudis, Kuwaitis, and Egyptians, mostly.
One afternoon during one of our water breaks, one of their guys started talking some shit, so our 'coach' (really just the longest-tenured player on the team, but a great player and later a carded USSF coach) tells them to lace up and we'll play them in a scrimmage.
About 15 minutes in, and 5 or so goals for us, one of their guys starts claiming every move we make is a foul. Guy takes the ball away from him - it's a foul. Guy runs past him - it's a foul. Someone sneezes near him - it's a foul.
I made some sort of not-quite-under-my-breath comment about "FFS, just because you suck doesn't mean we're fouling you."
One of their players heard me and next time he kind of jogged past me, he said "He's Saudi, he's not used to people who don't let him win."
Apparently that guy was Egyptian and had been dealing with the other guy's crap on the soccer field for about 6 months.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/jun/07/spaniard-ignacio-echeverria-confirmed-as-killed-in-london-attack
Spanish guy took on the attackers in the Borough Market, with his skateboard
QuoteEcheverría, who was from Madrid but lived in London and worked for HSBC, has been hailed as the "skateboard hero" because of his efforts to fight back against the attackers.
Guillermo Sánchez, a fellow Spaniard who had been skating near Tate Modern with Echeverría and another friend, told Spain's El País that the trio had been on their way to have dinner in Whitechapel when they came across a man staggering through Borough Market.
At first, they thought he was drunk, but then they saw a police officer collapse to the ground and a woman being assaulted.
"I'm focusing on her and then, suddenly, I see that Ignacio's there, starting to hit [the attackers] with his skateboard," Sánchez told the paper.
"Then he falls to the ground – I don't know how – I don't know if he's slipped or whatever, but he falls."
After what Sánchez described as "microseconds", he saw Echeverría lying on his back while one of the attackers stabbed him and the others stood close by. He said the terrorists were armed with carving knives.
"The last thing I remember is Ignacio, lying there still conscious and clutching his skateboard."
Fearing for his life, Sánchez threw the bike he had been riding at the attackers and ran off with his other friend. They tried to turn back to help Echeverría, but were moved away by police.
He and Capt. Fuck You I'm Milwall have to get together.
I think he's dead. The account is from the friend, who ran away.
Crap.
Too bad that wasn't one of those .45cal armed skateboards. The kids in my neighborhood all have them.
Quote from: Zulu1966 on June 08, 2017, 02:43:30 PM
Says so much. But we won't learn.
That's the current situation. In a nutshell.
And it happened again.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/london-pedestrians-struck-by-vehicle-in-major-incident-police-say?via=desktop&source=copyurl
At least one person was killed early Monday after a van struck several worshippers leaving a mosque in North London, authorities said. Several others were reported injured in the incident, which London Mayor Sadiq Khan described as a "horrific terrorist attack."