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Title: New Canadian Sea King Replacements to be Delayed ?
Post by: MIGMaster on July 04, 2012, 06:19:24 AM
http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/story/2012/07/04/weston-naval-helicopter-delays.html

I loved this line "modern anti-warfare systems,"  - I think they may have submarine out.
Title: Re: New Canadian Sea King Replacements to be Delayed ?
Post by: Martok on July 04, 2012, 09:54:36 AM
WTH?  Your country's problems with developing/building military hardware seems to be officially approaching absurd levels (not that we're much better)... 


Title: Re: New Canadian Sea King Replacements to be Delayed ?
Post by: Shelldrake on July 04, 2012, 10:11:00 AM
Too much political interference is the problem. If the Liberals hadn't cancelled the EH-101 purchase back in the mid 90's the RCN wouldn't be in its current fix. I can't believe that the F-35 purchase will go any better.
Title: Re: New Canadian Sea King Replacements to be Delayed ?
Post by: Barthheart on July 04, 2012, 10:12:03 AM
Quote from: Shelldrake on July 04, 2012, 10:11:00 AM
Too much political interference is the problem. If the Liberals hadn't cancelled the EH-101 purchase back in the mid 90's the RCN wouldn't be in its current fix. I can't believe that the F-35 purchase will go any better.

Bingo!  >:(
Title: Re: New Canadian Sea King Replacements to be Delayed ?
Post by: Centurion40 on July 16, 2012, 07:37:46 AM
http://thechronicleherald.ca/opinion/117638-taylor-politicians-pass-buck-while-bureaucrats-don-t-acknowledge-problems

QuotePoliticians pass buck while bureaucrats don't acknowledge problems

(https://www.grogheads.com/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fthechronicleherald.ca%2Fsites%2Fdefault%2Ffiles%2Fimagecache%2Fch_article_main_image%2Farticles%2Fcopter2.jpg&hash=e331226ebbd8eb7b02c66748164f83bcbd7f4ac4)
Title: Re: New Canadian Sea King Replacements to be Delayed ?
Post by: mirth on July 16, 2012, 09:00:15 AM
Between the US and Canada, it's hard to tell which country has bigger procurement problems.
Title: Re: New Canadian Sea King Replacements to be Delayed ?
Post by: GDS_Starfury on July 21, 2012, 03:12:39 AM
Canada does.
ours my cost a fuckton but they work.
Canada buys second hand and it fails.
the stuff they bought new is so old it makes Windy look like a teenager.  ;)
Title: Re: New Canadian Sea King Replacements to be Delayed ?
Post by: Shelldrake on July 21, 2012, 04:32:57 AM
Quote from: GDS_Starfury on July 21, 2012, 03:12:39 AM
Canada does.
ours my cost a fuckton but they work.
Canada buys second hand and it fails.
the stuff they bought new is so old it makes Windy look like a teenager.  ;)

Agreed. The only thing we seem to have got right in recent memory were the Halifax class frigates and they are going on 20 years old! At this rate they will be going out of service before the Sea King replacements arrive. :(
Title: Re: New Canadian Sea King Replacements to be Delayed ?
Post by: mirth on July 22, 2012, 02:29:07 PM
Quote from: GDS_Starfury on July 21, 2012, 03:12:39 AM
Canada does.
ours my cost a fuckton but they work.
Canada buys second hand and it fails.
the stuff they bought new is so old it makes Windy look like a teenager.  ;)

Well the F-22 isn't exactly working. The F-35 program is a mess. The LCS ships are behind schedule, overbudget, and don't seem all that capable. The lead ship of  San Antonio-Class LPDs wasn't even seaworthy when commissioned.

The advantage we have over Canada is that we can keep throwing money against the wall until something sticks.
Title: Re: New Canadian Sea King Replacements to be Delayed ?
Post by: GDS_Starfury on July 30, 2012, 06:12:04 PM
well, our tanks already come with A/C.  the F-22 is doing a lot better then the Arrow.  and the LCS schedule is more a problem with congress they the builders.  and they are QUITE capable.  and except for disgruntled sailors our subs dont catch fire.  8)
Title: Re: New Canadian Sea King Replacements to be Delayed ?
Post by: MIGMaster on October 12, 2012, 06:35:54 AM
Some more on the story:

http://thechronicleherald.ca/canada/146829-feds-re-negotiating-helicopter-contract-with-sikorsky-aircraft
Title: Re: New Canadian Sea King Replacements to be Delayed ?
Post by: eyebiter on October 12, 2012, 09:09:37 AM
Sikorsky got a 100 million dollar bonus and they don't want to deliver the helicopters?  Make em give the money back and cancel the program.  See if that makes them change their tune.
Title: Re: New Canadian Sea King Replacements to be Delayed ?
Post by: Mr. Bigglesworth on October 12, 2012, 05:00:06 PM
Quote from: eyebiter on October 12, 2012, 09:09:37 AM
Sikorsky got a 100 million dollar bonus and they don't want to deliver the helicopters?  Make em give the money back and cancel the program.  See if that makes them change their tune.


Can we hire you a defense chief?