http://video.foxnews.com/v/5369642345001/
Someone opened fire from a Home Depot truck and also ran down 4 bikers.
http://www.news.com.au/world/north-america/fatal-shooting-in-new-york-after-gunman-fires-from-his-truck/news-story/bbe4711b2f82da10f193000f549de063
Merde
It wasn't a shooting. The weapon was a vehicle.
At least eight dead now. :(
So many things I want to say right now, but 99.99% of it would be out of anger.
Feel so sorry for the lost lives and the people hurt by this :'(
Hope that f'er gets his.
I saw where he killed a bunch of people with the truck, and had a gun that he was firing at people. Anyone dead from GSW? Or all from the truck?
no GSW,
would have been hard to achieve with paintball gun (depending on the filling? steal balls, stone balls?) and pellet gun
(i guess by displaying that 'guns' he want to
-a) create more panic and so more injured persons who head over heels fleeing the scene
-b) get mortal shot by the police force as a 'true Islamic state warrior', fame, virgins and all)
Uzbek migrant seem to have self-radicalized or had been wonover by IS inside the USA in a short time?
lived a normal live before ...but of course has had the -let's call it: agars, provided by a certain upps, we not to speak about of PI reasons, in it.
-on a side note
yesterday GSG9 cracked down on a 19j old Syrian Merkel's-"refugee" of 2015 in German city of Schwerin, who was about to finish construction of a remote controlled TATP-filled bomb ...was under surveillance since month so authorities waited until they had enuf evidence but before imminent public danger.
It was reported that he (was) radicalized in Germany by others in RL and social media, who still has to be identified in more detail. Asylumseeker, was captured alive and without being injured. Good! so he can be interrogated about contacts, as also will be the NYC-terrorist.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-41827435
One woman from my country got killed and 3 more Belgians are injured.
They were visiting NY on a city trip ...
The guns this one had were pellet/paintball guns. AFAIK all the casualties were caused by the truck. He also rammed a school bus.
QuoteA 29-year-old man, an Uzbek immigrant, was shot and injured by police as he left the vehicle. He is under arrest.
The suspect, named by media as Sayfullo Saipov, reportedly shouted "Allahu Akbar" ("God is greatest") as he left the truck. Mr Cuomo said he was radicalised in the US.
Emphasis mine. "Reportedly shouted" ::)
Where he was radicalized doesn't matter. Like Cuomo is saying that so people don't look negatively at Muslim immigrants?
Quote from: BanzaiCat on November 01, 2017, 08:30:28 AM
QuoteA 29-year-old man, an Uzbek immigrant, was shot and injured by police as he left the vehicle. He is under arrest.
The suspect, named by media as Sayfullo Saipov, reportedly shouted "Allahu Akbar" ("God is greatest") as he left the truck. Mr Cuomo said he was radicalised in the US.
Emphasis mine. "Reportedly shouted" ::)
Where he was radicalized doesn't matter. Like Cuomo is saying that so people don't look negatively at Muslim immigrants?
This is what I fear. There is going to be more hatred thrown at Muslim immigrants who are here trying to have a normal, healthy and productive life. They are going to be looked at with disgust and anger. I fear there will be (more) hate crimes incoming.
Quote from: Gusington on November 01, 2017, 08:14:14 AMThe guns this one had were pellet/paintball guns.
I missed that somewhere in the limited reporting I saw
Report this am that 5 of the 8 killed were Argentinians. Opps! Guess he didn't think to check the nationality of the innocent victims he ran down first. #:-)
I doubt that he would really care about nationality.
Just got back from running an errand. While I was waiting they had the news on, which was holding a press conference. I waited 1.5 or so hours and in that whole time they said precisely diddly.
Meanwhile I open my AP news app and find out tons about the guy. Apparently he's been here since 2010, had a couple of transport businesses, but lately he's gotten no work because his dumb ass had parking tickets (and NY don't play with those). A few months ago his delivery truck blew an engine. On top of all that he's been pretty pissy with relatives and friends, "not respectful of elders," and just generally an asshole spouting off radical nonsense. Basically, it's everyone else's fault but his own that his life sucks. ::)
Quote from: acctingman on November 01, 2017, 08:36:12 AM
Quote from: BanzaiCat on November 01, 2017, 08:30:28 AM
QuoteA 29-year-old man, an Uzbek immigrant, was shot and injured by police as he left the vehicle. He is under arrest.
The suspect, named by media as Sayfullo Saipov, reportedly shouted "Allahu Akbar" ("God is greatest") as he left the truck. Mr Cuomo said he was radicalised in the US.
Emphasis mine. "Reportedly shouted" ::)
Where he was radicalized doesn't matter. Like Cuomo is saying that so people don't look negatively at Muslim immigrants?
This is what I fear. There is going to be more hatred thrown at Muslim immigrants who are here trying to have a normal, healthy and productive life. They are going to be looked at with disgust and anger. I fear there will be (more) hate crimes incoming.
Perhaps that fear will inspire the moderate Muslims you mention to finally take action -- as THIS is their religion being taken hostage and therefore their problem that only they can solve. Christians and Catholics reformed their's ions ago and it's far past time Muslims do the same. As the Hate starts within and is being taught-- so enough excuses already. the rest of us are doing what comes logically and naturally-- protecting and defending ourselve-- and if that mean we blanket screen anyone who is muslim then that's how it has to be---and perhaps when they get tired enough of the stegma branded on them they're find mostly it's deserved---as they sit on their hands and do nothing but complain to us westerners when in fact they need to start complaining to their eastern counterparts.
There have been a few large scale marches lately by normal Muslims against radicals and ISIS, particularly in the UK (Manchester, London). So not all of them are totally silent anymore.
Quote from: BanzaiCat on November 01, 2017, 08:30:28 AM
QuoteA 29-year-old man, an Uzbek immigrant, was shot and injured by police as he left the vehicle. He is under arrest.
http://edition.cnn.com/2017/04/11/europe/stockholm-terror-attack-rakhmat-akilov/index.html
Looks a lot like the terrorist attack in Stockholm earlier this year :
The man suspected of the Stockholm truck attack has admitted to carrying out a "terrorist crime", his lawyer said.
At a hearing in the Swedish capital on Tuesday, the lawyer for Rakhmat Akilov, a 39 year-old from the central Asian republic of Uzbekistan, said that his client accepted his continued detention.
Quote from: Gusington on November 01, 2017, 01:23:51 PM
There have been a few large scale marches lately by normal Muslims against radicals and ISIS, particularly in the UK (Manchester, London). So not all of them are totally silent anymore.
It's going to take a hell of a lot more than that. Look at the scope of the problem. it's top to bottom. If you doubt that ask yourself how many books are there out there about Jesus. How many books are out there about such and such Christian leader or Catholic. how many movies. How many documentaries.
Now ask yourself how many...if any...books on Muhammad? Can you name more than a handful? Why.. I'll tell you why. Fear. You'd be killed.
It starts with the religion and it's not ending until that religion reforms. And as long as Muslims refuse to do that they're going to have to live with the fact we westerners cannot blindly just let them stroll across our borders.
^Not sure what you're trying to say. If the problem really was top to bottom with Muslims then there would be mass chaos, slaughter, every day between religions. There isn't. I do agree that Muslims can do more to fight/destroy ISIS, though.
And a quick search for Muhammed (the prophet) on Amazon brought up 3,552 titles. A search for Jesus Christ brought up 85,000 titles. Big difference, but if you want to read about Muhammed, there are 1000s of titles to choose from.
Quote from: ghostryder on November 01, 2017, 02:49:16 PM
Quote from: Gusington on November 01, 2017, 01:23:51 PM
There have been a few large scale marches lately by normal Muslims against radicals and ISIS, particularly in the UK (Manchester, London). So not all of them are totally silent anymore.
It's going to take a hell of a lot more than that. Look at the scope of the problem. it's top to bottom. If you doubt that ask yourself how many books are there out there about Jesus. How many books are out there about such and such Christian leader or Catholic. how many movies. How many documentaries.
Now ask yourself how many...if any...books on Muhammad? Can you name more than a handful? Why.. I'll tell you why. Fear. You'd be killed.
It starts with the religion and it's not ending until that religion reforms. And as long as Muslims refuse to do that they're going to have to live with the fact we westerners cannot blindly just let them stroll across our borders.
Please do not speak for me :-X
Or me. And there wasn't anything blind about letting him into the country. He was radicalized here.
Quote from: ghostryder on November 01, 2017, 11:37:47 AM
Quote from: acctingman on November 01, 2017, 08:36:12 AM
Quote from: BanzaiCat on November 01, 2017, 08:30:28 AM
QuoteA 29-year-old man, an Uzbek immigrant, was shot and injured by police as he left the vehicle. He is under arrest.
The suspect, named by media as Sayfullo Saipov, reportedly shouted "Allahu Akbar" ("God is greatest") as he left the truck. Mr Cuomo said he was radicalised in the US.
Emphasis mine. "Reportedly shouted" ::)
Where he was radicalized doesn't matter. Like Cuomo is saying that so people don't look negatively at Muslim immigrants?
This is what I fear. There is going to be more hatred thrown at Muslim immigrants who are here trying to have a normal, healthy and productive life. They are going to be looked at with disgust and anger. I fear there will be (more) hate crimes incoming.
Perhaps that fear will inspire the moderate Muslims you mention to finally take action -- as THIS is their religion being taken hostage and therefore their problem that only they can solve. Christians and Catholics reformed their's ions ago and it's far past time Muslims do the same. As the Hate starts within and is being taught-- so enough excuses already. the rest of us are doing what comes logically and naturally-- protecting and defending ourselve-- and if that mean we blanket screen anyone who is muslim then that's how it has to be---and perhaps when they get tired enough of the stegma branded on them they're find mostly it's deserved---as they sit on their hands and do nothing but complain to us westerners when in fact they need to start complaining to their eastern counterparts.
It might help if we'd stop sending billions of dollars worth of arms to the Saudis and our other 'allies' who keep fomenting extremism and violence...oh, that's right, they're our 'friends'. ::)
Quote from: Gusington on November 01, 2017, 01:23:51 PM
There have been a few large scale marches lately by normal Muslims against radicals and ISIS, particularly in the UK (Manchester, London).
That's correct there where some protest and call for peace by some groups also in Berlin
the problem is:
1.) Sunni Islam is splintered in all kind of shades. there is no central (even moral) authority.
Every single imam preach his own interpretation. So one group even in the same neighborhood cant speak for another around the next corner.
Also there are dynamic processes.
A mosque known for been "moderate" for years can sudden change into a radical one when a traveling guest-imam stayed there for some time and forms a splinter group of radicals inside the existing community.
the problem here is that the still a majority at that time of moderate Muslims in the very mosque, don't report the formation of the new subsplinters who now had started holding (more clandestine) lectures in private rooms with their beloved traveling guest-imam.
those moderate Muslims has to answer the question why they invited that guest-imam from the start anyway, and also didn't chased him of their mosque-property when hearing his radical preaching for the firs time?
My personal conclusion: they secretly admire his views but are to settled-in and feed-up in our western life convenience to follow his rally atm but they surly liked what they had heard.
2.) in the Western World we have the common agreement that:
All men are equal, and should be treated with the same law of basic moral ethics. no one is superior by definition (no masterrace n' stuff) and believes are a private thing for an individual to choose free and also change. there is no strong interweave between state and religion and state-laws and religious-laws. state laws rules over religious additional laws, that a single individual may choose or choose not to follow also, if that did not break the state laws of course
while Islam divides the people into believers and unbelievers and but also demands different ethics to be used when dealing with unbelievers. Tolerance, Equality, and freedom of choice of the individual is not in their book.
(example: in the West its 'a sin' or 'a crime' if you trick any! person.
in Islam its only a sin if you trick a fellow Muslim. It's ok, or even can be seen as 'a good work in the eye of God' if you betray an unbeliever.)
...its akin to fascism concepts
That is the main underlying difference which makes Islam incompatible to the West.
and this incompatibility will not go away!
I am no Islamic scholar by any means. I can only judge the Muslims I have met. And unless they were hiding a dagger behind their back, the Muslims I have met personally were/are very normal people who have no Islamofascist tendency. It's self defeating to say that there's a terrorist under every bed...there are relatively few of them and the chances of getting hurt or killed in an attack carried out by a Muslim terrorist are lower than getting struck by lightning.
The media do not help the situation, though...but then again it has become their job to spread panic and fear.
Quote from: Gusington on November 02, 2017, 08:03:12 AM
The media do not help the situation, though...but then again it has become their job to spread panic and fear.
And sell us things in between those messages of panic and fear.
That's how I ended up with my counter trimmer.
What about that nose hair trimmer?
I'm giving that to you for Hanukkah.
ugh, please tell me you guys at least disinfect it when you hand it off
Wait, they have a trimmer for nose hair? :o How come nobody tells me these things? Now I can finally get rid of that annoying nickname since high school-- "Snuffy". <:-)
Amazed that this thread hasn't gone to RPFL yet, but maybe this will push it over.
Democrats accidentally scheduled a commercial for release ahead of (basically) today, election day, showing a nightmare collectively had by more-or-less-non-white children being hunted by a dixie-flag waving republican truck trying to run them over. "IS THIS WHAT TRUMP MEANS BY...?" the commercial rhetorically asks (actual answer: no), before urging voters to vote against republicans today.
#:-) L:-)
Stefan Molyneaux has some pretty interesting musings on the attack. I suspect that he's speaking extemporaneously so the first five minutes are a bit rambling but then he hits his stride about the six minute mark.
Who TF is Stephan Molyneaux and why would I give a rats ass what his opinion is? Just cause he's some blowhard with a video camera we're supposed to listen to him? :idiot2:
Quote from: Barthheart on November 02, 2017, 04:00:56 PM
Who TF is Stephan Molyneaux and why would I give a rats ass what his opinion is? Just cause he's some blowhard with a video camera we're supposed to listen to him? :idiot2:
He has a Youtube channel. He must be an expert!
Isn't he the guy behind Populous! :p
Quote from: joram on November 02, 2017, 04:36:43 PM
Isn't he the guy behind Populous! :p
That's Peter Molyeaux
Quote from: Silent Disapproval Robot on November 02, 2017, 02:42:33 PMStefan Molyneaux has some pretty interesting musings on the attack.
Quote from: Barthheart on November 02, 2017, 04:00:56 PMWho TF is Stephan Molyneaux
There's multiple Molyneauxs (Molyneauxi?)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stefan_Molyneux <--- right-wing youtube troll, just this side of Milo
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_Molyneux <--- British academic specializing in educational technology
I'd never heard of the first until someone brought him up on GH; I'd read a bunch of the second's research while working on my PhD
Quote from: Barthheart on November 02, 2017, 04:00:56 PM
Who TF is Stephan Molyneaux and why would I give a rats ass what his opinion is? Just cause he's some blowhard with a video camera we're supposed to listen to him? :idiot2:
Well you could, you know, go in with an open mind, listen to the guy's arguments and refute or agree but you do you.
I saw that political add Jason. Gillespie said it tripled his campaign donations and the group that came-up with it has since pulled it altogether. A Shamefurl-Dispray.
Quote from: Silent Disapproval Robot on November 02, 2017, 06:28:32 PM
Quote from: Barthheart on November 02, 2017, 04:00:56 PM
Who TF is Stephan Molyneaux and why would I give a rats ass what his opinion is? Just cause he's some blowhard with a video camera we're supposed to listen to him? :idiot2:
Well you could, you know, go in with an open mind, listen to the guy's arguments and refute or agree but you do you.
Sorry SDR, my rant wasn't aimed at you. It's just I've never heard of this dude before about 1 year a go then all of a sudden he's freakin everywhere. I've listened to some of his stuff and I still don't get why I should care any more about his opinion than some other random person's.... why is he so apparently popular?
Maybe I should start a U-tube channel and start blathering on about stuff and see if I can become popular too..... :crazy2:
Do some Grogheads podcasts! You'll be famous!
He's already famous. He's the "Decisive Campaigns Whisperer".