http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2012/08/01/steams-sub-agreement-prohibits-class-action-lawsuits/#more-118376
Its a interesting article about Steam and its policy concerning class action lawsuits.
Without engaging my grey matter, I read this is a post about a new NWS game called "Steam and Class" action! :)
Steam covers its arse, like all the rest.
Yes, I noticed that the last Steam updated required you to waive your legal rights. LOL
Quote from: Herman Hum on August 01, 2012, 06:00:04 PM
Yes, I noticed that the last Steam updated required you to waive your legal rights. LOL
They must have something planned that will piss people off.
Perhaps liquidating their service to the wind, taking the money to run with. Sounds like Microsoft is putting the scare into them. ;D
I got an email yesterday informing me that I am part of a class action suit against Netflix and if I didn't want to participate, I had to inform the court and remove my name. WTF!?!? I checked it and its legitimate, but where do they get off making someone a part of a lawsuit without their permission? Or participation???
I emailed back demanding that my name be removed only to be informed that such a request had to be made via certified mail!!! And when you read the details of the suit, the lawyers get a minimum 25% of the settlement plus expenses and the rest goes to charity. I am infuriated to have my name associated with another craptastic, frivolous class action lawsuit that only benefits lawyers, all because Netflix retained viewing info too long, and then have them deliberately make it more difficult to have your name removed from the suit.
GRRRRRRRRRRRRR................ >:(
That's terrible Steelgrave. :o
Follow the money.. you'll eventually find out who orchestrated the whole thing whether for power or pocket change.
Quote from: Steelgrave on August 01, 2012, 10:02:49 PM
I got an email yesterday informing me that I am part of a class action suit against Netflix and if I didn't want to participate, I had to inform the court and remove my name. WTF!?!? I checked it and its legitimate, but where do they get off making someone a part of a lawsuit without their permission? Or participation???
I emailed back demanding that my name be removed only to be informed that such a request had to be made via certified mail!!! And when you read the details of the suit, the lawyers get a minimum 25% of the settlement plus expenses and the rest goes to charity. I am infuriated to have my name associated with another craptastic, frivolous class action lawsuit that only benefits lawyers, all because Netflix retained viewing info too long, and then have them deliberately make it more difficult to have your name removed from the suit.
GRRRRRRRRRRRRR................ >:(
I just got a similar email. I wonder if Netflix themselves has any suggestions to make clear our disapproval of this action?
Quote from: Nefaro on August 01, 2012, 09:53:52 PM
Quote from: Herman Hum on August 01, 2012, 06:00:04 PM
Yes, I noticed that the last Steam updated required you to waive your legal rights. LOL
They must have something planned that will piss people off.
Perhaps liquidating their service to the wind, taking the money to run with. Sounds like Microsoft is putting the scare into them. ;D
The part of the article I most agree with was:
Quotelike most of what's written in a EULA, it's more about what the company hopes will be law, rather than what actually is. And as ever, until such inclusions are legally challenged, no one has any idea if they're at all enforceable. Which in Valve's case will take a group starting a class action lawsuit against them.
I do wonder what the world is coming to.
Attempts to create rules that waive your rights, lawyers getting fat on useless and non purposeful law suits, companies phoning you after an accident to tell you you can sue company/person x
Such a shame we've turned into this - but greed is a powerful immoral driver
Hopefully competition will keep Steam in check. They don't have a monopoly....yet anyway...
Quote from: Staggerwing on August 01, 2012, 10:16:20 PM
Quote from: Steelgrave on August 01, 2012, 10:02:49 PM
I got an email yesterday informing me that I am part of a class action suit against Netflix and if I didn't want to participate, I had to inform the court and remove my name. WTF!?!? I checked it and its legitimate, but where do they get off making someone a part of a lawsuit without their permission? Or participation???
I emailed back demanding that my name be removed only to be informed that such a request had to be made via certified mail!!! And when you read the details of the suit, the lawyers get a minimum 25% of the settlement plus expenses and the rest goes to charity. I am infuriated to have my name associated with another craptastic, frivolous class action lawsuit that only benefits lawyers, all because Netflix retained viewing info too long, and then have them deliberately make it more difficult to have your name removed from the suit.
GRRRRRRRRRRRRR................ >:(
I just got a similar email. I wonder if Netflix themselves has any suggestions to make clear our disapproval of this action?
Me, too.
I have seen a couple of these as the years have rolled by. Generally speaking a check shows up that won't cover the cost of a Vente mocha cappucino at Starbucks.
In the case of Netflix I believe the stated intent was to give the money to some charity.
I didn't opt out and I didn't read it too closely. Netflix may or may not have done something wrong, but I've never seen one of these settlements yield anything worth me spending any time on, so it's easier to ignore than it is to devote a moment's thought to it.
On checking my other email (the one where I'm concerned about signing up for something & receiving unwanted spam), it seems that I've been automatically included in that class action lawsuit too.
I just don't understand why I'm automatically included in this lawyer payday. Who do I complain to in order to prevent this nonsense in the future, anyway?
Quote from: Nefaro on August 04, 2012, 11:36:21 AM
Who do I complain to in order to prevent this nonsense in the future, anyway?
... A lawyer. :D
Quote from: Nefaro on August 04, 2012, 11:36:21 AM
On checking my other email (the one where I'm concerned about signing up for something & receiving unwanted spam), it seems that I've been automatically included in that class action lawsuit too.
I just don't understand why I'm automatically included in this lawyer payday. Who do I complain to in order to prevent this nonsense in the future, anyway?
That's what makes me mad, Nefaro. It's not so much what Netflix may or may not have done, its' the sheer gall of including me in a class action suit without my consent. I don't understand how they can get away with doing so, but regardless, it's wrong no matter what the justification or legalities which allow it.
Quote from: Steelgrave on August 04, 2012, 01:44:07 PM
That's what makes me mad, Nefaro. It's not so much what Netflix may or may not have done, its' the sheer gall of including me in a class action suit without my consent. I don't understand how they can get away with doing so, but regardless, it's wrong no matter what the justification or legalities which allow it.
There are more tutored minds on these boards than me in this regard, but pretty much every class action notice I've received has been structured like this. It may be because of it's very nature: class action = all customers that were treated like XYZ. It's easier to start to include everyone who was wronged and ask them to opt out than it is to invite everyone into it. And the logic isn't completely unsound - the suit starts with the premise that an entire group of people was wronged. It's natural to assume that if the suit has merit they'll want redress.
Quote from: Steelgrave on August 04, 2012, 01:44:07 PM
That's what makes me mad, Nefaro. It's not so much what Netflix may or may not have done, its' the sheer gall of including me in a class action suit without my consent. I don't understand how they can get away with doing so, but regardless, it's wrong no matter what the justification or legalities which allow it.
Perhaps there is grounds here... for a
class action lawsuit! Wouldn't that be surreal?
It just rubs my libertarian nature the wrong way, you know? Or maybe its my contrarian nature. That may be more likely ::)
Quote from: Steelgrave on August 04, 2012, 05:43:36 PM
Or maybe its my contrarian nature. That may be more likely ::)
Yeah, I think we've hit paydirt ;)
Isn't there a poem about you?
QuoteSteelie, Steelie quite contrary,
how does your class action lawsuit grow?
He is just getting old and cranky. Sons of Arthritis and all that.
I'll add a general "bite me" to the last two posts 8)
Quote from: Steelgrave on August 04, 2012, 05:43:36 PM
It just rubs my libertarian nature the wrong way, you know? Or maybe its my contrarian nature. That may be more likely ::)
I always wanted to be a libertarian - I luv books !
Quote from: MIGMaster on August 04, 2012, 10:04:14 PM
Quote from: Steelgrave on August 04, 2012, 05:43:36 PM
It just rubs my libertarian nature the wrong way, you know? Or maybe its my contrarian nature. That may be more likely ::)
I always wanted to be a libertarian - I luv books !
Mayhaps you've also secretly envisioned yourself as the Enforcer of Silence as well... 8)
Amazing - you're not Kreskin are you ?