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Title: John Tiller Games Sale
Post by: Rayfer on June 14, 2020, 04:24:17 PM
Sorry if this has already been posted, but I just saw a post on Facebook that Tiller is having a Summer sale starting 7/1/20.  All but the five most recent releases on sale for $29.95. https://mailchi.mp/johntillersoftware/2020sale?e=005fdf8556&fbclid=IwAR2szBJvrbreqv4u068tF6rpl6uYrfQc5MQ9joa3Axx-K_Q493DOWcauQZM
Title: Re: John Tiller Games Sale
Post by: MengJiao on June 14, 2020, 05:04:37 PM
Quote from: Rayfer on June 14, 2020, 04:24:17 PM
Sorry if this has already been posted, but I just saw a post on Facebook that Tiller is having a Summer sale starting 7/1/20.  All but the five most recent releases on sale for $29.95. https://mailchi.mp/johntillersoftware/2020sale?e=005fdf8556&fbclid=IwAR2szBJvrbreqv4u068tF6rpl6uYrfQc5MQ9joa3Axx-K_Q493DOWcauQZM

Very Tempting!
Title: Re: John Tiller Games Sale
Post by: DoctorQuest on June 14, 2020, 05:46:23 PM
It also looks like he is placing a deadline on migrating your HPS/Tiller games over to JTS support. June 30, 2020.

I can't say I blame him.

I really need to do that......................
Title: Re: John Tiller Games Sale
Post by: JasonPratt on June 14, 2020, 08:22:09 PM
"Games Tiller Sale John": I understand what those words mean separately, but I can't figure out how to put them together in a recognizable way. That didn't work either.

:coolsmiley:
Title: Re: John Tiller Games Sale
Post by: MengJiao on June 14, 2020, 09:06:02 PM
Quote from: JasonPratt on June 14, 2020, 08:22:09 PM
"Games Tiller Sale John": I understand what those words mean separately, but I can't figure out how to put them together in a recognizable way. That didn't work either.

:coolsmiley:

    I got the Renaissance for next to nothing.
Title: Re: John Tiller Games Sale
Post by: ArizonaTank on June 15, 2020, 10:42:25 AM
Quote from: DoctorQuest on June 14, 2020, 05:46:23 PM
It also looks like he is placing a deadline on migrating your HPS/Tiller games over to JTS support. June 30, 2020.

I can't say I blame him.

I really need to do that......................

I have about 10 games squirreled away somewhere. For years after my computers no longer had CD drives, I still had the disks within easy reach...  now, three house moves later, I have no idea where they are... :(  I'll take one more trawl through old boxes this weekend...but I am not hopeful...
Title: Re: John Tiller Games Sale
Post by: Jarhead0331 on June 15, 2020, 10:56:54 AM
Quote from: ArizonaTank on June 15, 2020, 10:42:25 AM
Quote from: DoctorQuest on June 14, 2020, 05:46:23 PM
It also looks like he is placing a deadline on migrating your HPS/Tiller games over to JTS support. June 30, 2020.

I can't say I blame him.

I really need to do that......................

I have about 10 games squirreled away somewhere. For years after my computers no longer had CD drives, I still had the disks within easy reach...  now, three house moves later, I have no idea where they are... :(  I'll take one more trawl through old boxes this weekend...but I am not hopeful...

I did this dance a few weeks ago and think I found most of them. Had the codes and digital access a few hours later.
Title: Re: John Tiller Games Sale
Post by: steve58 on June 15, 2020, 11:17:23 AM
From the JTS support page:

Proof of purchase is required and can either be through us searching the database for the original sales or through a picture of the original cd(s).

All I've got are 8 original CDs+cases acquired over the years from various sources.  Anyone submitted pics of the original CDs?  Just looking at that form on his Support page, not sure it would support pic uploads.
Title: Re: John Tiller Games Sale
Post by: Jarhead0331 on June 15, 2020, 11:20:34 AM
Quote from: steve58 on June 15, 2020, 11:17:23 AM
From the JTS support page:

Proof of purchase is required and can either be through us searching the database for the original sales or through a picture of the original cd(s).

All I've got are 8 original CDs+cases acquired over the years from various sources.  Anyone submitted pics of the original CDs?  Just looking at that form on his Support page, not sure it would support pic uploads.

Yes. That is what I did. I sent pics of the CD jewel cases.
Title: Re: John Tiller Games Sale
Post by: steve58 on June 15, 2020, 11:24:24 AM
^Through that form on their Support page?
Title: Re: John Tiller Games Sale
Post by: ArizonaTank on June 15, 2020, 11:48:37 AM
Quote from: Jarhead0331 on June 15, 2020, 10:56:54 AM
I did this dance a few weeks ago and think I found most of them. Had the codes and digital access a few hours later.

I did have three games I could find...I just sent an email to the support email address with a picture of my disks...  Rich Hamilton responded within a day.

But as I said, I know I have at least 10 more....just have to find them...
Title: Re: John Tiller Games Sale
Post by: JasonPratt on June 15, 2020, 12:17:12 PM
I think all my HPS games are together in a CD case stack somewhere, in a drawer.
Title: Re: John Tiller Games Sale
Post by: nelmsm on June 15, 2020, 04:28:24 PM
Quote from: ArizonaTank on June 15, 2020, 11:48:37 AM
Quote from: Jarhead0331 on June 15, 2020, 10:56:54 AM
I did this dance a few weeks ago and think I found most of them. Had the codes and digital access a few hours later.

I did have three games I could find...I just sent an email to the support email address with a picture of my disks...  Rich Hamilton responded within a day.

But as I said, I know I have at least 10 more....just have to find them...

I'd let Rich know what you have missing yet because if you bought them from HPS he can look it up in the database without the pictures.  He usually only needs the pictures if you aren't in that database.
Title: Re: John Tiller Games Sale
Post by: Gusington on June 15, 2020, 07:44:23 PM
How is Renaissance?
Title: Re: John Tiller Games Sale
Post by: Toonces on June 15, 2020, 07:48:49 PM
Alright, I gotta get on this transition thing.  Thanks for the head's up.  I have Campaign Gettysburg and Midway sitting around unplayed because I don't have a disk drive on my lappy anymore.  I gotta get those done digitally.

I was looking at Jutland.  How's that?
Title: Re: John Tiller Games Sale
Post by: MengJiao on June 15, 2020, 08:22:04 PM
Quote from: Gusington on June 15, 2020, 07:44:23 PM
How is Renaissance?

  Rather nice really, all-in-all.  The battles are small and vicious.  Some AI-driven Venetian mercenaries, swept down, cut through the whole French Advanced guard and manhandled my artillery...which I recaptured just in time to blast another batch of mercenaries coming from the other side.

  All at Fornovo in 1495.  It's the same modification of the game system that is used for seven-years war (here's the opening shot of that battle from the ambushing Venetian artillery):
 
Title: Re: John Tiller Games Sale
Post by: MengJiao on June 15, 2020, 08:28:59 PM
Quote from: Toonces on June 15, 2020, 07:48:49 PM
Alright, I gotta get on this transition thing.  Thanks for the head's up.  I have Campaign Gettysburg and Midway sitting around unplayed because I don't have a disk drive on my lappy anymore.  I gotta get those done digitally.

I was looking at Jutland.  How's that?

  Pretty bad.  definitely the worst Jutland out there.  The Iron and Steam Jutland is better...but really there has yet to be any particularly good Jutlands.  I blame the High Seas Fleet for being a big mistake from day one.  Nearly any fleet and battle you can imagine would make more sense.
Title: Re: John Tiller Games Sale
Post by: Toonces on June 15, 2020, 09:13:35 PM
Thanks, Meng.  I'm lukewarm on JTS system anyway, so that feedback is all I need.

I so, so wish that (Operation Art of War) guy had made a less-intrusive, and more...known if working/compatible...Jutland game.  I'd happily pay full price if I knew it was going to work, but I have no confidence in that and, I can't even get the demo to work which doesn't bode well.  Otherwise, I'd easily drop $100 on the whole set, it looks incredible.
Title: Re: John Tiller Games Sale
Post by: Gusington on June 15, 2020, 10:09:36 PM
Thanks Meng!
Title: Re: John Tiller Games Sale
Post by: MengJiao on June 16, 2020, 04:41:52 AM
Quote from: Gusington on June 15, 2020, 10:09:36 PM
Thanks Meng!

  You're welcome.  Apparently Renaissance is always on sale.  the real sale at JT doesn't start until July.
Title: Re: John Tiller Games Sale
Post by: MengJiao on June 16, 2020, 04:54:46 AM
Quote from: Toonces on June 15, 2020, 09:13:35 PM
Thanks, Meng.  I'm lukewarm on JTS system anyway, so that feedback is all I need.

I so, so wish that (Operation Art of War) guy had made a less-intrusive, and more...known if working/compatible...Jutland game.  I'd happily pay full price if I knew it was going to work, but I have no confidence in that and, I can't even get the demo to work which doesn't bode well.  Otherwise, I'd easily drop $100 on the whole set, it looks incredible.

   Yeah.  That bizarre episode with the Capell-meister and so on was truly bizarre.  Visually it was pretty innovative and I think that went to their heads.  However, Jutland tends to bring out some oddness lurking even in relatively stable people.  There was even a project to build the rangefinding systems from the period as 3D working virtual reality machines (but before virtual reality was real).  Oh boy.  Why would you want to watch an archaic analogue system solve differential equations?

   On the other hand, Peter Turock (sp?) -- the guy with the trireme simulator -- wrote a marvelous Jutland simulator in the mid-1990s.  It was brilliant if fantastically ugly, but all of the technical detail was absolutely perfect and exact even if watching it do its thing was simply impossible.

Title: Re: John Tiller Games Sale
Post by: Tripoli on June 16, 2020, 05:33:07 AM
Quote from: Toonces on June 15, 2020, 07:48:49 PM
Alright, I gotta get on this transition thing.  Thanks for the head's up.  I have Campaign Gettysburg and Midway sitting around unplayed because I don't have a disk drive on my lappy anymore.  I gotta get those done digitally.

I was looking at Jutland.  How's that?

I wasn't happy with Jutland.  It has been almost 15 years since I last played it, so my memory is dim as to exactly why I was so disappointed, but my recollection is the game didn't feel right. I'm not just that Tiller "gets" naval warfare.  I had the same impression with his Guadalcanal game. You might try "Steam and Iron" if you need a Jutland fix. Unfortunately, there aren't a lot of decent WWI at sea games.
Title: Re: John Tiller Games Sale
Post by: steve58 on June 17, 2020, 10:16:22 AM
Question for you guys.  Anyone here own Sealion 40??

In taking pics of the 8 CDS I have to send to Rich, I noticed something that seems odd.  All my HPS CDS have titles like Korea '85, France '14, etc.  But on my Sealion 40 CD, the title/text on the CD insert and CD are all Sealion 40'.  ???  Other than that it looks just like all my other HPS CDs.

Just wondering if I somehow/somewhere picked up a counterfeit CD or if it was just a typo  :(
Title: Re: John Tiller Games Sale
Post by: Philippe on June 17, 2020, 10:32:47 AM
I don't own that particular title so I wouldn't know, but I remember having a conversation with Chris Dean a few years ago and being surprised to learn just how many counterfeit copies of HPS games he used to run into.

Having said that, it does look like the kind of mistake that would get made in Estonia or Singapore (or the heartland of America given the decline of our public education).
Title: Re: John Tiller Games Sale
Post by: steve58 on June 17, 2020, 10:40:37 AM
Quote from: Philippe on June 17, 2020, 10:32:47 AM
I don't own that particular title so I wouldn't know, but I remember having a conversation with Chris Dean a few years ago and being surprised to learn just how many counterfeit copies of HPS games he used to run into.

Having said that, it does look like the kind of mistake that would get made in Estonia or Singapore (or the heartland of America given the decline of our public education).

Hhhmmm, maybe its your 3rd option.  Just found this pic on HPS own site.  Looking to me more like a typo from the first(?) or one of the CD manufacturing runs.

(https://www.grogheads.com/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.hpssims.com%2FPages%2FProducts%2FPZC%2FPZC_Sealion%2FSealion%2520CD%2520Rom_small.jpg&hash=28ae7fe0a3240503dfca44b1f787f01266f37a0d)
Title: Re: John Tiller Games Sale
Post by: MengJiao on June 17, 2020, 11:49:50 AM
Quote from: steve58 on June 17, 2020, 10:40:37 AM
Quote from: Philippe on June 17, 2020, 10:32:47 AM
I don't own that particular title so I wouldn't know, but I remember having a conversation with Chris Dean a few years ago and being surprised to learn just how many counterfeit copies of HPS games he used to run into.

Having said that, it does look like the kind of mistake that would get made in Estonia or Singapore (or the heartland of America given the decline of our public education).

Hhhmmm, maybe its your 3rd option.  Just found this pic on HPS own site.  Looking to me more like a typo from the first(?) or one of the CD manufacturing runs.

(https://www.grogheads.com/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.hpssims.com%2FPages%2FProducts%2FPZC%2FPZC_Sealion%2FSealion%2520CD%2520Rom_small.jpg&hash=28ae7fe0a3240503dfca44b1f787f01266f37a0d)

   Maybe its one of those widely-rumored crypto-games like SealionWarhammer 40,600 AD or something.  You just need to do some things with blockchains to figure out how to decode the game concealed on the CD.

   https://news.crypterium.com/blockchain-games-2020/

Title: Re: John Tiller Games Sale
Post by: smittyohio on June 20, 2020, 05:54:00 PM
What's the best JTS Civil War game as far as AI, number of smaller battles, and quality of campaign?
Title: Re: John Tiller Games Sale
Post by: Grim.Reaper on June 20, 2020, 06:23:42 PM
Quote from: smittyohio on June 20, 2020, 05:54:00 PM
What's the best JTS Civil War game as far as AI, number of smaller battles, and quality of campaign?

I suspect the AI is similar in most of the modules as they keep them updated across the series...personally, I think it depends what battles your interested in, but if me I would go for the latest (and last) module of Campaign Shenandoah.  For me, the graphics seem the best and does mostly contain smaller scenarios as indicated in this review.  Still haven't played a ton yet, but what I have I have enjoyed...especially since I don't like moving thousands of counters:)

https://www.wargamer.com/reviews/campaign-shenandoah/
Title: Re: John Tiller Games Sale
Post by: GJK on June 20, 2020, 07:36:24 PM
Quote from: Toonces on June 15, 2020, 07:48:49 PM
Alright, I gotta get on this transition thing.  Thanks for the head's up.  I have Campaign Gettysburg and Midway sitting around unplayed because I don't have a disk drive on my lappy anymore.  I gotta get those done digitally.

I was looking at Jutland.  How's that?


"Midway" is one of my fav PC wargames.  It's not flashy.  It's not pretty, but there is no other PC game that has the depth of carrier deck management that this one has.  The sounds are just awesome as well - the dive bomber sound is pretty intense. It can frustrate you though until you learn it - read the PDF that comes with the game if you want to learn how to really play it.
Title: Re: John Tiller Games Sale
Post by: berto on June 20, 2020, 07:44:23 PM
Quote from: Grim.Reaper on June 20, 2020, 06:23:42 PM
Quote from: smittyohio on June 20, 2020, 05:54:00 PM
What's the best JTS Civil War game ...
... the latest (and last) module of Campaign Shenandoah ...

:-"
Title: Re: John Tiller Games Sale
Post by: Grim.Reaper on June 20, 2020, 08:02:51 PM
Quote from: berto on June 20, 2020, 07:44:23 PM
Quote from: Grim.Reaper on June 20, 2020, 06:23:42 PM
Quote from: smittyohio on June 20, 2020, 05:54:00 PM
What's the best JTS Civil War game ...
... the latest (and last) module of Campaign Shenandoah ...

:-"

sounds like your implying it now won't be the last:)
Title: Re: John Tiller Games Sale
Post by: berto on June 20, 2020, 08:06:12 PM
 ;)
Title: Re: John Tiller Games Sale
Post by: Philippe on June 21, 2020, 02:42:35 PM
The one regret that I've had about Campaign Shenandoah is the really small map used in the Fort Stephens scenario.  I lived a bit to the west of it when I was growing up, and there were marked and unmarked civil war fortifications not far from my house.  I recently came across a civil war era map of the fortifications of Washington D.C. and after figuring out where I used to live, I finally understood why there were these strange embankments in the woods that I used to walk around in (fortified gun emplacements detached from the main fort).
Title: Re: John Tiller Games Sale
Post by: ArizonaTank on June 21, 2020, 03:26:54 PM
Quote from: Philippe on June 21, 2020, 02:42:35 PM
The one regret that I've had about Campaign Shenandoah is the really small map used in the Fort Stephens scenario.  I lived a bit to the west of it when I was growing up, and there were marked and unmarked civil war fortifications not far from my house.  I recently came across a civil war era map of the fortifications of Washington D.C. and after figuring out where I used to live, I finally understood why there were these strange embankments in the woods that I used to walk around in (fortified gun emplacements detached from the main fort).

I agree, a better depiction of Ft. Stephens would be great.

Just for fun, here is the Google street view of Ft. Stephens:

https://www.google.com/maps/@38.9637717,-77.0289802,3a,42.1y,342.2h,97.56t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s643Q6I2tg3wYOYjkRbzmAw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192 (https://www.google.com/maps/@38.9637717,-77.0289802,3a,42.1y,342.2h,97.56t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s643Q6I2tg3wYOYjkRbzmAw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192)
Title: Re: John Tiller Games Sale
Post by: steve58 on June 21, 2020, 04:12:46 PM
Quote from: steve58 on June 15, 2020, 11:17:23 AM
From the JTS support page:

Proof of purchase is required and can either be through us searching the database for the original sales or through a picture of the original cd(s).

All I've got are 8 original CDs+cases acquired over the years from various sources.  Anyone submitted pics of the original CDs?  Just looking at that form on his Support page, not sure it would support pic uploads.

Bumping to just say Thanks to Rich at JTS.  He fixed me up....even responding on a weekend!  Thanks Rich!  :hug:  O0
Title: Re: John Tiller Games Sale
Post by: devoncop on June 22, 2020, 05:29:15 AM
For any JTS afficionado's out there Wargame Design Studios who are involved in updating the presentation of the games has just released a big update on the soon to be released "Scheldt 44". Frankly it looks really impressive and incredibly well researched and includes an absolutely huge Market-Garden scenario much expanded from the JTS Pander Campaign Market Garden version.

:notworthy:
Title: Re: John Tiller Games Sale
Post by: DoctorQuest on June 22, 2020, 09:06:29 AM
Quote from: steve58 on June 21, 2020, 04:12:46 PM
Quote from: steve58 on June 15, 2020, 11:17:23 AM
From the JTS support page:

Proof of purchase is required and can either be through us searching the database for the original sales or through a picture of the original cd(s).

All I've got are 8 original CDs+cases acquired over the years from various sources.  Anyone submitted pics of the original CDs?  Just looking at that form on his Support page, not sure it would support pic uploads.

Bumping to just say Thanks to Rich at JTS.  He fixed me up....even responding on a weekend!  Thanks Rich!  :hug:  O0

Agreed!! +100
Title: Re: John Tiller Games Sale
Post by: RedArgo on June 22, 2020, 10:32:08 AM
Quote from: steve58 on June 21, 2020, 04:12:46 PM
Quote from: steve58 on June 15, 2020, 11:17:23 AM
From the JTS support page:

Proof of purchase is required and can either be through us searching the database for the original sales or through a picture of the original cd(s).

All I've got are 8 original CDs+cases acquired over the years from various sources.  Anyone submitted pics of the original CDs?  Just looking at that form on his Support page, not sure it would support pic uploads.

Bumping to just say Thanks to Rich at JTS.  He fixed me up....even responding on a weekend!  Thanks Rich!  :hug:  O0

I agree, from the time I sent my first e-mail until I had my new copy of Midway was maybe two hours.  Great service.
Title: Re: John Tiller Games Sale
Post by: stolypin on June 22, 2020, 02:08:17 PM
Quote from: RedArgo on June 22, 2020, 10:32:08 AM
Quote from: steve58 on June 21, 2020, 04:12:46 PM
Quote from: steve58 on June 15, 2020, 11:17:23 AM
From the JTS support page:

Proof of purchase is required and can either be through us searching the database for the original sales or through a picture of the original cd(s).

All I've got are 8 original CDs+cases acquired over the years from various sources.  Anyone submitted pics of the original CDs?  Just looking at that form on his Support page, not sure it would support pic uploads.

Bumping to just say Thanks to Rich at JTS.  He fixed me up....even responding on a weekend!  Thanks Rich!  :hug:  O0

I agree, from the time I sent my first e-mail until I had my new copy of Midway was maybe two hours.  Great service.

Ditto.  Had an installation issue with one of the Gold Panzer Campaigns updates.  Had a response / fix from Rich within a half hour (even though it was Saturday).
Title: Re: John Tiller Games Sale
Post by: Strela on June 23, 2020, 01:52:23 AM
Quote from: devoncop on June 22, 2020, 05:29:15 AM
For any JTS afficionado's out there Wargame Design Studios who are involved in updating the presentation of the games has just released a big update on the soon to be released "Scheldt 44". Frankly it looks really impressive and incredibly well researched and includes an absolutely huge Market-Garden scenario much expanded from the JTS Pander Campaign Market Garden version.

:notworthy:

Thanks for the mention Devoncop!!  :)

We are really excited about Scheldt '44. As you mention the research behind it is very exacting and we expect it to be a bit of a revelation in terms of game play. Adding our take on Market-Garden is just an added bonus!

Hopefully, you all won't have to wait too long before being able to play it!!!

David
Title: Re: John Tiller Games Sale
Post by: devoncop on June 23, 2020, 05:21:46 AM
Quote from: Strela on June 23, 2020, 01:52:23 AM
Quote from: devoncop on June 22, 2020, 05:29:15 AM
For any JTS afficionado's out there Wargame Design Studios who are involved in updating the presentation of the games has just released a big update on the soon to be released "Scheldt 44". Frankly it looks really impressive and incredibly well researched and includes an absolutely huge Market-Garden scenario much expanded from the JTS Pander Campaign Market Garden version.

:notworthy:

Thanks for the mention Devoncop!!  :)

We are really excited about Scheldt '44. As you mention the research behind it is very exacting and we expect it to be a bit of a revelation in terms of game play. Adding our take on Market-Garden is just an added bonus!

Hopefully, you all won't have to wait too long before being able to play it!!!

David

My pleasure David.

Kudos to how you are reinvigorating the system.
Title: Re: John Tiller Games Sale
Post by: ArizonaTank on June 26, 2020, 02:57:11 PM
My only hope is that I still have money left for JTS after the Steam Summer Sale.