I read a forum post here today (I can't find it now) where someone stated they were downloading the game Sleeping Dogs. Then I happen to see this article on PC Gamer and thought I would link to it.
http://www.pcgamer.com/2012/08/14/sleeping-dogs-six-months-of-dlc-incoming/
I would be pretty ticked off to read that the just released game I purchased has six months of intensive upcoming DLC planned. This would lead me to believe the developer/publisher had the DLC planned from the beginning and I in turn would have to question "Did I just pay full price for half a game?" or "Why is the upcoming DLC not already in the game?". To me DLC is getting out of control but unfortunately it has become the accepted business model. The only way to fight it is to never buy a game until the "game of the Year" edition is out.
In a effort at fairness, here is Paradox's views on DLC:
http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2012/07/25/paradoxs-dlc-policy-dont-piss-off-the-community/
I personally don't get the hate on for DLC. Would you have been angry to hear a developer say they had plans to release an expansion in 6 months?
Later this week, the first DLC comes out. It's a new set of clothes? Honestly, who cares? If someone wants to shell out for that, more power to them. Meanwhile, the graphics artists get to be employed a little longer.
Is the game any good?
Quote from: Jarhead0331 on August 14, 2012, 10:13:34 PM
Is the game any good?
I've seen enough that I'm interested...so I'm about to pick it up. ;D
For a while I saw 2 DLCs available on Steam for it yesterday.
One of them was all about giving you extra Experience Points, seriously :P
Anyway, I can't play this until Friday (the release date for non-Americans).
Quote from: Arctic Blast on August 14, 2012, 10:06:58 PM
I personally don't get the hate on for DLC. Would you have been angry to hear a developer say they had plans to release an expansion in 6 months?
Later this week, the first DLC comes out. It's a new set of clothes? Honestly, who cares? If someone wants to shell out for that, more power to them. Meanwhile, the graphics artists get to be employed a little longer.
Whatever. If you have money to blow, send it to me. Maybe I'll send you back a sticker and you can attached to your Sleeping Dogs game and call it DLC.
Quote from: Fighting Farmer on August 15, 2012, 12:34:46 PM
Quote from: Arctic Blast on August 14, 2012, 10:06:58 PM
I personally don't get the hate on for DLC. Would you have been angry to hear a developer say they had plans to release an expansion in 6 months?
Later this week, the first DLC comes out. It's a new set of clothes? Honestly, who cares? If someone wants to shell out for that, more power to them. Meanwhile, the graphics artists get to be employed a little longer.
Whatever. If you have money to blow, send it to me. Maybe I'll send you back a sticker and you can attached to your Sleeping Dogs game and call it DLC.
Yeah...ok...but how is the actual game?
Quote from: Jarhead0331 on August 15, 2012, 12:48:44 PM
Quote from: Fighting Farmer on August 15, 2012, 12:34:46 PM
Quote from: Arctic Blast on August 14, 2012, 10:06:58 PM
I personally don't get the hate on for DLC. Would you have been angry to hear a developer say they had plans to release an expansion in 6 months?
Later this week, the first DLC comes out. It's a new set of clothes? Honestly, who cares? If someone wants to shell out for that, more power to them. Meanwhile, the graphics artists get to be employed a little longer.
Whatever. If you have money to blow, send it to me. Maybe I'll send you back a sticker and you can attached to your Sleeping Dogs game and call it DLC.
Yeah...ok...but how is the actual game?
I have no idea. Its not my kind of game. I should not have been so flippant with my previous post, how people spend their money is their own business. Besides, why should I care how businesses market their products. Methinks I'm no longer going to be a gaming consumer for the next year or so; I'm going to retire from purchasing games and sort through my backlog.
^You mean you don't even have it? Ohhhhhhh...ok. This is one of those "complain about DLC for a game I would never buy anyway threads..." ???
Quote from: Jarhead0331 on August 15, 2012, 01:25:10 PM
^You mean you don't even have it? Ohhhhhhh...ok. This is one of those "complain about DLC for a game I would never buy anyway threads..." ???
It's the American way.
Quote from: Jarhead0331 on August 15, 2012, 01:25:10 PM
^You mean you don't even have it? Ohhhhhhh...ok. This is one of those "complain about DLC for a game I would never buy anyway threads..." ???
Ah. Sarcasm, how cute. I suppose one has to starve first before he can complain about rising food prices or children going hungry in the third world. I guess I'm not allowed to complain about the rise of bank fees if I don't have a bank account. I should not voice concerns if the stock market looses 400 points if I don't own stocks.
I better make a list of everything I own so I'll know what I'm allowed to comment on and what I can't.
Quote from: tgb on August 15, 2012, 03:30:47 PM
Quote from: Jarhead0331 on August 15, 2012, 01:25:10 PM
^You mean you don't even have it? Ohhhhhhh...ok. This is one of those "complain about DLC for a game I would never buy anyway threads..." ???
It's the American way.
What the hell is that supposed to mean?
Quote from: Fighting Farmer on August 15, 2012, 03:56:48 PM
Quote from: Jarhead0331 on August 15, 2012, 01:25:10 PM
^You mean you don't even have it? Ohhhhhhh...ok. This is one of those "complain about DLC for a game I would never buy anyway threads..." ???
Ah. Sarcasm, how cute. I suppose one has to starve first before he can complain about rising food prices or children going hungry in the third world. I guess I'm not allowed to complain about the rise of bank fees if I don't have a bank account. I should not voice concerns if the stock market looses 400 points if I don't own stocks.
I better make a list of everything I own so I'll know what I'm allowed to comment on and what I can't.
I wasn't trying to censor you. If I was, you would have known it. I was only trying to point out for others from where your perspective is coming and why you started this thread. That being said, I don't like your tone. Please adjust it.
Quote from: Fighting Farmer on August 15, 2012, 12:34:46 PM
Quote from: Arctic Blast on August 14, 2012, 10:06:58 PM
I personally don't get the hate on for DLC. Would you have been angry to hear a developer say they had plans to release an expansion in 6 months?
Later this week, the first DLC comes out. It's a new set of clothes? Honestly, who cares? If someone wants to shell out for that, more power to them. Meanwhile, the graphics artists get to be employed a little longer.
Whatever. If you have money to blow, send it to me. Maybe I'll send you back a sticker and you can attached to your Sleeping Dogs game and call it DLC.
LOL!
;D
FF does have a point that makes you wonder.. just how much stuff may have been held back for the DLC instead of released along with the game.
Surely we all realize that this is likely to happen with
some companies, if it hasn't already.
Quote from: Nefaro on August 15, 2012, 04:11:20 PM
Quote from: Fighting Farmer on August 15, 2012, 12:34:46 PM
Quote from: Arctic Blast on August 14, 2012, 10:06:58 PM
I personally don't get the hate on for DLC. Would you have been angry to hear a developer say they had plans to release an expansion in 6 months?
Later this week, the first DLC comes out. It's a new set of clothes? Honestly, who cares? If someone wants to shell out for that, more power to them. Meanwhile, the graphics artists get to be employed a little longer.
Whatever. If you have money to blow, send it to me. Maybe I'll send you back a sticker and you can attached to your Sleeping Dogs game and call it DLC.
LOL!
;D
FF does have a point that makes you wonder.. just how much stuff may have been held back for the DLC instead of released along with the game.
Surely we all realize that this is likely to happen with some companies, if it hasn't already.
Has plenty and plenty of times.
A lot (if not most) DLC bearing games these days come with the DLCs already included in the base game, and just require you to pay to unlock.
If I remember correctly, Bioshock 2 was the first to do so, and was criticized at the time for it (and as usual, it still worked very well for them).
DLC or not, I find that one would be hard-pressed to make the argument that the game was released without value or significant content. Most are agreeing that the single-player experience in Sleeping Dogs is at least one that will take you between 20 and 25 hours to complete. that's far more than most games released these days.
nevermind - I just remembered I owned Saints Row! Double standards! :p
I didn't really know much about this game but after watching the Giant Bomb quick look video, I think I might pick it up. Looks like stupid fun.
http://www.giantbomb.com/quick-look-sleeping-dogs/17-6456/ (http://www.giantbomb.com/quick-look-sleeping-dogs/17-6456/)
I picked it up and put a couple of hours in to it so far.
First off, it's actually a very visually appealing game. Very nice graphics, especially for an open world sandbox style game. The same sort of free flow, easy to control melee combat system as the recent Batman games, but with the addition of combos and grabs and throws and environmental attacks (I am using a control pad. I can't play 3rd person action games with mouse & keyboard). Driving is slick and arcadey. You can jump in and explore around the city almost from the start. You'll level up your Triads level and Cop level as you play towards one side or the other, with unlock options as you move along.
Seems quite good so far.
Thanks for the link to that video SDR - it actually looks like good fun.
I may well make a purchase when I get back from holiday...and it wasn't going to get a second look from me as of yesterday!
It loks like a quality game that wouldn't disappoint any fan of the GTA / Saints Row genre.
I think i may grab it in a sale.
I've put many more hours in to it, and this is probably my current game of the year.
I've unlocked car racing, and good lord are they not easy to win! Especially when you buy higher end cars that open up the higher level circuits.
I've experienced gun play. Aiming and firing while driving a car works quite well with a controller. I like that rather than just trade shots with a guy, you can aim for vulnerable spots. Shoot him in the knee, then kick his head in when he drops. Or put one in his forearm and make him drop the gun. Blow out a couple of tires on a rival car driving at high speed and make it flip in to a wall. Aiming while on foot is a bit floaty, BUT they nailed the whole Hong Kong action movie style of multiple trick shots while jumping over something by allowing bullet time when you vault over cover. You can also do a vault disarm move.
Melee combat continues to be good and challenging. I've also learned a few nasty combo attacks by finding the stolen jade statues of a Kung Fu instructor, then trading those in to learn something new. Every time you do, you choose which path to 'learn' from, same as with your escalating Triad and Cop scores.
It looks great. The music is really good. And the story line is actually quite good...I don't know where this is going to end up, and I mean that in a good way.
^+1. I'm hooked.
Is this still getting played or has it become "samey"?
I tried to play the demo but I couldn't get it to work. I went through all the setup screens and mapped the keys how I wanted them, but the game wouldn't recognize my keystrokes. It seems to think my HOTAS throttle is a console controller and will only accept commands from that device. Trying to control the game character with a tiny hat switch just wasn't working for me. I suppose I could just crawl under my desk and yank out the USBs for my joystick, pedals, throttle, and TrackIR but having to do that every time I want to swap between this game and a flight sim sounds like more tedium than I'm willing to put up with.
Quote from: JudgeDredd on August 30, 2012, 02:25:12 PM
Is this still getting played or has it become "samey"?
Well, I played it to completion and quite enjoyed the whole experience. All the little pieces of the game just fit together really well, and almost everything is very well done.
How long did it take you arctic? I've logged about 20 hours and have not finished yet, but I feel like I'm getting close.
Quote from: Jarhead0331 on August 30, 2012, 10:14:26 PM
How long did it take you arctic? I've logged about 20 hours and have not finished yet, but I feel like I'm getting close.
According to Steam, I played for 17 hours. I skipped most of the race events, though...just never been something I'm all that interested in.
Quote from: Silent Disapproval Robot on August 30, 2012, 05:41:39 PM
I tried to play the demo but I couldn't get it to work. I went through all the setup screens and mapped the keys how I wanted them, but the game wouldn't recognize my keystrokes. It seems to think my HOTAS throttle is a console controller and will only accept commands from that device. Trying to control the game character with a tiny hat switch just wasn't working for me. I suppose I could just crawl under my desk and yank out the USBs for my joystick, pedals, throttle, and TrackIR but having to do that every time I want to swap between this game and a flight sim sounds like more tedium than I'm willing to put up with.
That's a common problem with FPS games - especially the last decade - and I'm going to go out on a limb and say it's with console ports and laziness of porting.
The reason I say that is I'm pretty sure this never happened with PC based games like Operation Flashpoint (original one) or ARMA and ARMA II but has happened on games designed (I think) for console and PC like Batman:Arkham Asylum, Saints Row The Third. I first noticed the problem back when I got Conflict:Desert Storm.
It's easily rectifiable by unplugging peripherals...I bought a desktop USB hub for £8 to stop me having to climbing under the desk to disconnect my X52 Pro joystick and Formula Force wheel.
I'm going to leave this for the sale. It'll be on sale at some point and I was having a fair old time with Saints Row The Third last night...and I've got MASSES of that island to conquer - having only conquered a small portion of the first island!
Quote from: JudgeDredd on August 31, 2012, 01:28:26 AM
I'm going to leave this for the sale. It'll be on sale at some point and I was having a fair old time with Saints Row The Third last night...and I've got MASSES of that island to conquer - having only conquered a small portion of the first island!
Saints Row 3 was also excellent, so I certainly can't fault you there. :)
Well...beat the game. Took 21 hours. One of the few games that I have played until the very end. Hard to believe Activision walked away from this one. It was really fantastic.