Sweden announced plans to increase military spending 40% over the next five years and double the required draft from 4,000 to 8,000 in response to Russia.
See: https://www.usnews.com/news/world/articles/2020-10-15/sweden-boosts-military-spending-expands-draft-amid-russia-tensions
When comes Next War: Sweden? :-"
Quote from: airboy on October 15, 2020, 07:05:41 PM
Sweden announced plans to increase military spending 40% over the next five years and double the required draft from 4,000 to 8,000 in response to Russia.
See: https://www.usnews.com/news/world/articles/2020-10-15/sweden-boosts-military-spending-expands-draft-amid-russia-tensions
+8000 conscripts. such a joke.
The French Army recruits 16 000 more volunteers this year. And at least it is able to do something productive with.
The Russian have a mobile force of 30-35 000 professional soldiers fully equipped with Mi28, Mi24VP and armored vehicules. The Spetnatz and the Morskaiya piechota are able to wage very violents battles if they have a chance to deploy. And freaking state of the art subs. What the f**k they believe they will achieve with 8000 conscripts?
Seems that maybe the same thing the Soviets said about Finland back in '39. :coolsmiley:
Quote from: t4rget on October 15, 2020, 08:35:35 PM
Quote from: airboy on October 15, 2020, 07:05:41 PM
Sweden announced plans to increase military spending 40% over the next five years and double the required draft from 4,000 to 8,000 in response to Russia.
See: https://www.usnews.com/news/world/articles/2020-10-15/sweden-boosts-military-spending-expands-draft-amid-russia-tensions
+8000 conscripts. such a joke.
The French Army recruits 16 000 more volunteers this year. And at least it is able to do something productive with.
The Russian have a mobile force of 30-35 000 professional soldiers fully equipped with Mi28, Mi24VP and armored vehicules. The Spetnatz and the Morskaiya piechota are able to wage very violents battles if they have a chance to deploy. And freaking state of the art subs. What the f**k they believe they will achieve with 8000 conscripts?
Well, France has six times the population of Sweden, but I agree we could need more. We rely more on high tech equipment than man power. Granted, we would never ever be able to withstand a Russian invasion, but we could make them bleed significally if they try to take the island Gotland which would be a priority of theirs.
The required draft is on top of their volunteer force. I don't know the size of Sweden's standing army.
^In 2013 it was around 16,000 regulars, its lowest level of troops ever. This year it had planned to bring its numbers up to 50,000 but I do not know if it has reached that level yet. Conscription was gone from 2010-2017.
Conscription achieves a start. A start isn't all you need, but you do need the start. Practice running those through the process, do more next time, get better do more, etc.
Quote from: Sir Slash on October 15, 2020, 09:49:23 PM
Seems that maybe the same thing the Soviets said about Finland back in '39. :coolsmiley:
True, although the Soviets
did win. Barely -- but enough to force a bunch of other border nations to re-evaluate their own chances after the Red Army showed they didn't care how much they had to bleed to get through impossible conditions to crack a defensive line which all military experts in the world had deemed impossible. And I'm not sure the Swedes have a modern-updated Slavic defense zone to work with (yet). Unless that's "Finland". :coolsmiley:
Quote from: JasonPratt on October 16, 2020, 04:36:35 PM
Conscription achieves a start. A start isn't all you need, but you do need the start. Practice running those through the process, do more next time, get better do more, etc.
Quote from: Sir Slash on October 15, 2020, 09:49:23 PM
Seems that maybe the same thing the Soviets said about Finland back in '39. :coolsmiley:
True, although the Soviets did win. Barely -- but enough to force a bunch of other border nations to re-evaluate their own chances after the Red Army showed they didn't care how much they had to bleed to get through impossible conditions to crack a defensive line which all military experts in the world had deemed impossible. And I'm not sure the Swedes have a modern-updated Slavic defense zone to work with (yet). Unless that's "Finland". :coolsmiley:
Russia is not Soviet union
Quote from: jejo68 on October 16, 2020, 05:26:16 PM
Quote from: JasonPratt on October 16, 2020, 04:36:35 PM
Conscription achieves a start. A start isn't all you need, but you do need the start. Practice running those through the process, do more next time, get better do more, etc.
Quote from: Sir Slash on October 15, 2020, 09:49:23 PM
Seems that maybe the same thing the Soviets said about Finland back in '39. :coolsmiley:
True, although the Soviets did win. Barely -- but enough to force a bunch of other border nations to re-evaluate their own chances after the Red Army showed they didn't care how much they had to bleed to get through impossible conditions to crack a defensive line which all military experts in the world had deemed impossible. And I'm not sure the Swedes have a modern-updated Slavic defense zone to work with (yet). Unless that's "Finland". :coolsmiley:
Russia is not Soviet union
In 1939, Russia was known as the Soviet Socialist Republics or more commonly the Soviet Union.
The next knowledge bomb jejo's gonna drop on us: England is not the United Kingdom!
They both have/had a lot of resources, and relatively high-tech ones for the time, plus comparable manpower, to throw at trying to overrun those nations, if they want. That's the relevant comparison.
They also both don't have, or had, much experience yet trying to punch through a slavic defense corridor. Although, the Soviets did have recent experience, including since before becoming Soviets, creating and maintaining defense corridors with modern versions of classic defensive lines (their most recent experience being the creation of the Stalin Line, which ironically they were in the process of blowing up at that time) -- so they might be ahead of modern Russia on that, I'm not sure.
Quote from: t4rget on October 15, 2020, 08:35:35 PM
Quote from: airboy on October 15, 2020, 07:05:41 PM
Sweden announced plans to increase military spending 40% over the next five years and double the required draft from 4,000 to 8,000 in response to Russia.
See: https://www.usnews.com/news/world/articles/2020-10-15/sweden-boosts-military-spending-expands-draft-amid-russia-tensions
+8000 conscripts. such a joke.
The French Army recruits 16 000 more volunteers this year. And at least it is able to do something productive with.
The Russian have a mobile force of 30-35 000 professional soldiers fully equipped with Mi28, Mi24VP and armored vehicules. The Spetnatz and the Morskaiya piechota are able to wage very violents battles if they have a chance to deploy. And freaking state of the art subs. What the f**k they believe they will achieve with 8000 conscripts?
just what the fuck are you smoking?
russian tanks are trash, they can barely afford to fly any aviation assets and those state of the art subs are either catching fire, sinking, or blowing up and then sinking. maybe you would like to talk about their carrier (single) that cant leave port without 2 ocean going tugs.
what other propaganda bullshit would you like to bring up?
^That post was like a shower...refreshing in all the right spots.
I think I got a little on me too. Sometimes Star can be a little over the top. This isn't one of them. This is the Vanilla version. You don't want to see the Extreme Mod. :2funny: O0
old age has calmed me.
back to the original point, Sweden is the Scadinavian Israel.
pretty sure those scrapy fucks came up with dispersed squadrons operation off of highways.
I know our military loves the Carl Gustav system and just bought another 3000 or so improved versions.
there is no ww3 paper, book or scenario where the Soviets, no less the russians, take on Sweden head to head.
the exception would be Hacketts WW3 book where they tried but got the shit kicked out of them.
just imagine if Volvo made an actual tank.
Don't forget the Swedish Bikini Volleyball Team. They'd take-out about a division of troops by themselves. :dreamer: Plus all the dead Vikings that would come-back to life and shamble on Moscow. Seriously, I don't see how a full-on invasion could succeed. NATO Would surely get involved, at least America would, and occupying the whole country would be much harder than Afghanistan and take many more Russians than Putin can afford. More likely he would try some short bullying action to grab-up some cheap real estate like in the Crimea.
I thought Volvo only made tanks.
I thought they made cars like tanks.
Well, modern Russia doesn't have hyper-industrialization comparable to Stalin's Soviet Union (even in 1939). ...or not as far as I know? Maybe they do?
What does modern Russia's basic mobilization potential look like?
Not that it matters much, I suppose: they can't go after Sweden without neutralizing Finland and Norway, and there's no way Russia vs. Scandanavia happens (in any degree) without NATO and the US coming in to re-enact the, ahem, live fire exercise which evicted that Russian assault regiment for its faulty life choices in crossing the Euphrates a few years ago.
Also, either I or the forum engine (or both) can't spell Scandanavia correctly. :hide: