Has anyone else experienced this? I discovered this past year when I decided to play the first PBEM games of my life playing Strategic Command WW1/WAW and then finally WITP Admirals Edition that MP is all I want to play now. It is so much fun playing another human with all of the challenges and surprises that give me such a rush and a high that whenever I fire up any other game to play against the AI my eyes just glaze over with boredom and I quit. Single player just feels so lifeless now. I don't know if I will ever be able to go back to playing SP games again. Has this happened to anyone else? Should I enter rehab? Asking for a friend...
No. People suck.
Quote from: Jarhead0331 on January 20, 2022, 09:39:10 PM
No. People suck.
After decades of being beaten by most human opponents, I find the AI to be a refreshing change as a rule.
Sorry but if I could replace most people I know in real life with AI, I would.
I sometimes sit and wonder if I am really the AI and the AI is playing me. :o Except if I am the AI, then the AI really sucks at a lot of these games. :coolsmiley:
Quote from: Gusington on January 20, 2022, 10:30:22 PM
Sorry but if I could replace most people I know in real life with AI, I would.
O0
Nailed it as usual Gus (and Jarhead)
We are a misanthropic bunch on here aren't we :)
Quote from: Sir Slash on January 20, 2022, 10:52:29 PM
I sometimes sit and wonder if I am really the AI and the AI is playing me. :o Except if I am the AI, then the AI really sucks at a lot of these games. :coolsmiley:
There are limits to what AI can do, you know? Or maybe, that's AI having a Cunning Plan, keeping us happy within our own ignorance. Or is that the AI, running circles around us, too? You are into something nefarious here! :wow:
With the giant steps games took in the graphics department I don't see the same amount of improvement on the AI front.
But I don't see much improvement with the people around me either >:D.
Quote from: Pete Dero on January 21, 2022, 04:07:19 AM
With the giant steps games took in the graphics department I don't see the same amount of improvement on the AI front.
But I don't see much improvement with the people around me either >:D.
At least the AI is moving forwards rather than regressing. If only humanity could say the same....
Quote from: devoncop on January 21, 2022, 04:46:56 AM
Quote from: Pete Dero on January 21, 2022, 04:07:19 AM
With the giant steps games took in the graphics department I don't see the same amount of improvement on the AI front.
But I don't see much improvement with the people around me either >:D.
At least the AI is moving forwards rather than regressing. If only humanity could say the same....
There are still good people around. I met one 10 years ago.
Quote from: Pete Dero on January 21, 2022, 04:07:19 AM
With the giant steps games took in the graphics department I don't see the same amount of improvement on the AI front.
But I don't see much improvement with the people around me either >:D.
When I got better glasses, I found the graphics had improved even in reality itself. The weirdest case was this garden gnome thing that puzzled me for years. With improved bifocals it turned out to be
the exposed, gnarled root of a tree. What an aesthetic revelation!
My dos centavos,
Playing against randoms is, overall, kind of ok. Most of the random people I've come against in MP games seem to be ok. There seems to be less jerk-clowns than there was back in the early days of MP gaming. But I think it's because of the type of games I play against others that dictates this shaky civility.
Playing against people you know is really fun however. Even when I get crushed by a friend in a game I'm ok with it because I know the guy who beat me is a nice guy in real life. Not sure if I'm making sense to anyone.
The only problem I have with playing games with real people online is because, and rather selfishly I must admit, I'd rather play games by myself due to time constraints. Playing alone for me is one of the few ways I decompress after a stressful workday. Once I calm down, I'm good for playing against/with other humans.
Pete Dero is my spirit animal with his last 2-3 posts in this thread.
Quote from: Jarhead0331 on January 20, 2022, 09:39:10 PM
No. People suck.
+1
Some good games have been ruined by trash AI. MP is clunky and I want to play on my own schedule. MP can be really good though. As said elsewhere, AI has not been pushed as it could have been. And games need to be designed with the AI in mind. It simply cannot handle the bells and whistles many games offer. SSG was the best at AI and design coordination. This was a bit rambling....an AI made me do it!
Quote from: W8taminute on January 21, 2022, 10:58:34 AM
My dos centavos,
Playing against randoms is, overall, kind of ok. Most of the random people I've come against in MP games seem to be ok. There seems to be less jerk-clowns than there was back in the early days of MP gaming. But I think it's because of the type of games I play against others that dictates this shaky civility.
Playing against people you know is really fun however. Even when I get crushed by a friend in a game I'm ok with it because I know the guy who beat me is a nice guy in real life. Not sure if I'm making sense to anyone.
The only problem I have with playing games with real people online is because, and rather selfishly I must admit, I'd rather play games by myself due to time constraints. Playing alone for me is one of the few ways I decompress after a stressful workday. Once I calm down, I'm good for playing against/with other humans.
Oh absolutely the key here is finding people you like playing against and can count on to stay the course. Just playing some Joe Rando that you have no idea how reliable they are or cannot relate to is a bad idea. Look for those you have similarities to and can relate to. Sense of humor, love of strategy games, frequents the forums, etc...
Quote from: Tanaka on January 21, 2022, 01:50:35 PM
Quote from: W8taminute on January 21, 2022, 10:58:34 AM
My dos centavos,
Playing against randoms is, overall, kind of ok. Most of the random people I've come against in MP games seem to be ok. There seems to be less jerk-clowns than there was back in the early days of MP gaming. But I think it's because of the type of games I play against others that dictates this shaky civility.
Playing against people you know is really fun however. Even when I get crushed by a friend in a game I'm ok with it because I know the guy who beat me is a nice guy in real life. Not sure if I'm making sense to anyone.
The only problem I have with playing games with real people online is because, and rather selfishly I must admit, I'd rather play games by myself due to time constraints. Playing alone for me is one of the few ways I decompress after a stressful workday. Once I calm down, I'm good for playing against/with other humans.
Oh absolutely the key here is finding people you like playing against and can count on to stay the course. Just playing some Joe Rando that you have no idea how reliable they are or cannot relate to is a bad idea. Look for those you have similarities to and can relate to. Sense of humor, love of strategy games, frequents the forums, etc...
+1 Reliability is really critical...particularly for long games. It sucks to put a bunch of effort into playing a game over several months, only to have your opponent ghost you at the end.
I also agree that it is better to play someone you know at least somewhat personally.
Being alone and playing is a huge +1 for me too.
What really bothers me is playing a solitaire game such as World in Flames and my opponent beats me. :-\
Usually I do prefer multiplayer using the Matrixgames PBEM++ since it relieves me of downloading and moving a file to a save folder.
Don't forget PvE can be really fun. You'll see this in DCS, half the servers are PVE. Can be really fun teaming up with your bros in F16s and accomplishing missions against AI. Or steel division campaign where your friends can help you fight the battle against AI.
It's a little of best of both worlds.
I love playing MP in co-op games. Part of that is because my schedule is crazy erratic, so I can only count on close friends (with an interesting in gaming) to tolerate my starts and stops.
Mostly, though, I play SP. I play more PC games co-op in a PvE mode than I do MP against other humans.
Quote from: Wburn on January 21, 2022, 04:02:06 PM
What really bothers me is playing a solitaire game such as World in Flames and my opponent beats me. :-\
Usually I do prefer multiplayer using the Matrixgames PBEM++ since it relieves me of downloading and moving a file to a save folder.
Vs ths AI? I thought WIF had no AI?
Quote from: Tanaka on January 21, 2022, 10:24:14 PM
Quote from: Wburn on January 21, 2022, 04:02:06 PM
What really bothers me is playing a solitaire game such as World in Flames and my opponent beats me. :-\
Usually I do prefer multiplayer using the Matrixgames PBEM++ since it relieves me of downloading and moving a file to a save folder.
Vs ths AI? I thought WIF had no AI?
LOL!
I think Wburn was making a joke there. Implying that he gets bothered when he beats himself. (there is no ai in WIF so he plays both sides) ;D
Briefly MP ruined my SP experience. Started playing pbem for the first time around 3 years ago or so. Hit it hard and heavy, had as much as 7 different games playing pbem. Pretty much had given up SP for that period. Lasted about 6 months for me before i burned out. All my opponents were good, respectful, considerate players. Now i'm about 70% SP and 20% MP, the other 10%, which is a surprise to me is hotseat. Never thought i'd enjoy hotseat, but i just do a turn a day in hotseat mode, and i'll be damned if i don't forget the what and where of the other side. I still play pbem, i have just one like minded opponent these days. We both like to play a lot of different games, we're pretty relaxed about it and we're not min/max players. I think the most important parts of finding someone to pbem with is your like minded about games and roughly the same skill level, we play for fun. We currently have 4 games going, Decisive Campaigns Ardennes, World at War Bull Run scenario, Shadow Empire, and Shenandoah Studio's Battle of the Bulge. I'm an average player so most times the AI is fine for me. As far as games are concerned i'm a jack of all trades, master of none.
Quote from: W8taminute on January 21, 2022, 10:46:34 PM
Quote from: Tanaka on January 21, 2022, 10:24:14 PM
Quote from: Wburn on January 21, 2022, 04:02:06 PM
What really bothers me is playing a solitaire game such as World in Flames and my opponent beats me. :-\
Usually I do prefer multiplayer using the Matrixgames PBEM++ since it relieves me of downloading and moving a file to a save folder.
Vs ths AI? I thought WIF had no AI?
LOL!
I think Wburn was making a joke there. Implying that he gets bothered when he beats himself. (there is no ai in WIF so he plays both sides) ;D
Haha gotcha! ;D
Quote from: Skoop on January 21, 2022, 04:19:08 PM
Don't forget PvE can be really fun. You'll see this in DCS, half the servers are PVE. Can be really fun teaming up with your bros in F16s and accomplishing missions against AI. Or steel division campaign where your friends can help you fight the battle against AI.
It's a little of best of both worlds.
Yeah I 've always wanted to try this. Are there any turn based strategy games that are PvE? Don't really enjoy real time games...
Quote from: -budd- on January 21, 2022, 10:58:03 PM
Briefly MP ruined my SP experience. Started playing pbem for the first time around 3 years ago or so. Hit it hard and heavy, had as much as 7 different games playing pbem. Pretty much had given up SP for that period. Lasted about 6 months for me before i burned out. All my opponents were good, respectful, considerate players. Now i'm about 70% SP and 20% MP, the other 10%, which is a surprise to me is hotseat. Never thought i'd enjoy hotseat, but i just do a turn a day in hotseat mode, and i'll be damned if i don't forget the what and where of the other side. I still play pbem, i have just one like minded opponent these days. We both like to play a lot of different games, we're pretty relaxed about it and we're not min/max players. I think the most important parts of finding someone to pbem with is your like minded about games and roughly the same skill level, we play for fun. We currently have 4 games going, Decisive Campaigns Ardennes, World at War Bull Run scenario, Shadow Empire, and Shenandoah Studio's Battle of the Bulge. I'm an average player so most times the AI is fine for me. As far as games are concerned i'm a jack of all trades, master of none.
Yeah I guess I am in that period. Never tried hotseat. Agreed sounds like the same type of player I am. I want to get DCA when it goes on sale. How do you like it so far?
Never heard of WAWBullRun? Have Shadow Empire but just cannot get into it...I guess that would be a PvE turn based game!
For me it depends on the type of game. A FPS or combat flight sim holds no interest for me if it's not PvP. This is not because I'm any good at these sorts of games. It's because I generally play games of that type to try to create a feeling of being there and bots' behaviour always detracts from that. It's also quite a social thing for me. The games I play generally have quite a low player-count, and we know that to keep the fun coming we need people to hang about, so the communities are invariably friendly.
On the other hand I'm quite happy playing any wargame against the AI. I'm probably not a good enough player to have my experience ruined by AI that sucks, so there's no drive to seek out real opponents. I've briefly tried PBEM, but found the lack of immediacy of turn-taking off-putting. I'll have to find a strategy/tactical game that works "live" I think to enjoy PvP.
Quote from: Tanaka on January 22, 2022, 03:44:43 AM
Quote from: W8taminute on January 21, 2022, 10:46:34 PM
Quote from: Tanaka on January 21, 2022, 10:24:14 PM
Quote from: Wburn on January 21, 2022, 04:02:06 PM
What really bothers me is playing a solitaire game such as World in Flames and my opponent beats me. :-\
Usually I do prefer multiplayer using the Matrixgames PBEM++ since it relieves me of downloading and moving a file to a save folder.
Vs ths AI? I thought WIF had no AI?
I think Wburn was making a joke there. Implying that he gets bothered when he beats himself. (there is no ai in WIF so he plays both sides) ;D
Haha gotcha! ;D
You sneaky rascal you! Haha!! ;D
Nice one!
LOL!
I love playing hotseat by myself.
Quote from: Tanaka on January 22, 2022, 03:55:56 AM
Quote from: -budd- on January 21, 2022, 10:58:03 PM
Briefly MP ruined my SP experience. Started playing pbem for the first time around 3 years ago or so. Hit it hard and heavy, had as much as 7 different games playing pbem. Pretty much had given up SP for that period. Lasted about 6 months for me before i burned out. All my opponents were good, respectful, considerate players. Now i'm about 70% SP and 20% MP, the other 10%, which is a surprise to me is hotseat. Never thought i'd enjoy hotseat, but i just do a turn a day in hotseat mode, and i'll be damned if i don't forget the what and where of the other side. I still play pbem, i have just one like minded opponent these days. We both like to play a lot of different games, we're pretty relaxed about it and we're not min/max players. I think the most important parts of finding someone to pbem with is your like minded about games and roughly the same skill level, we play for fun. We currently have 4 games going, Decisive Campaigns Ardennes, World at War Bull Run scenario, Shadow Empire, and Shenandoah Studio's Battle of the Bulge. I'm an average player so most times the AI is fine for me. As far as games are concerned i'm a jack of all trades, master of none.
Yeah I guess I am in that period. Never tried hotseat. Agreed sounds like the same type of player I am. I want to get DCA when it goes on sale. How do you like it so far?
Never heard of WAWBullRun? Have Shadow Empire but just cannot get into it...I guess that would be a PvE turn based game!
DCA is friggin great in both SP and MP, can't recommend it enough. Shadow Empire is pretty much PvE for us, it more of a slow burn game. We've played 40 turns and we seen no sign of each other. Sorry got the title wrong it's Wars Across the World https://store.steampowered.com/app/341040/Wars_Across_The_World/ we picked this up in the Steam sale and our giving it a spin in pbem. It is fun and interesting to go into a pbem cold where you both don't have any experience with the game. We're trying the base game which has a bunch of different scenarios from different time periods, we're currently playing Bull Run.
Quote from: Jarhead0331 on January 20, 2022, 09:39:10 PM
No. People suck.
This. I'm on medical retirement and play what I want, when I want.
It's not untypical for me to be playing Field of Glory II at 4pm, still in pajamas.
Played one game of Close Combat: Russian Front online against a human and it was quite unpleasant.
Tom
I am retired, too. Because I am old.
Another retired person here. No MP for me, it's AI only. Both because people suck, and I suck at wargames despite how much I love them. ;D My main issue is that I bounce around between so many games, and different genres, that I never have time to get to be any good at any of them.
Quote from: Sigwolf on January 23, 2022, 11:07:26 AM
Another retired person here. No MP for me, it's AI only. Both because people suck, and I suck at wargames despite how much I love them. ;D My main issue is that I bounce around between so many games, and different genres, that I never have time to get to be any good at any of them.
Sig....you somehow exactly described my gaming experience, and I'm retired as well. Are you me? :-\ :o ;)
'Is that you John Wayne?'
I am so much better at being retired than I ever was at working for a living that I should've done this first. I also bounce around from game to game depending on my mood at present. I'm glad my AI opponent is always a willing and ready presence. :hug:
but theres something fulfilling about beating another person.
up to a point.
while Ive enjoyed many solo games its the ones that have a healthy pvp element that I really enjoy.
where I find it falls flat is that many pvp games market themselves in such a way as to attract shit transient players that just throw the whole balance off these days.
Quote from: Thomas Davie on January 23, 2022, 09:09:32 AM
Played one game of Close Combat: Russian Front online against a human and it was quite unpleasant.
Tom
I miss those days.... :dreamer:
Quote from: -budd- on January 22, 2022, 09:59:47 PM
Quote from: Tanaka on January 22, 2022, 03:55:56 AM
Quote from: -budd- on January 21, 2022, 10:58:03 PM
Briefly MP ruined my SP experience. Started playing pbem for the first time around 3 years ago or so. Hit it hard and heavy, had as much as 7 different games playing pbem. Pretty much had given up SP for that period. Lasted about 6 months for me before i burned out. All my opponents were good, respectful, considerate players. Now i'm about 70% SP and 20% MP, the other 10%, which is a surprise to me is hotseat. Never thought i'd enjoy hotseat, but i just do a turn a day in hotseat mode, and i'll be damned if i don't forget the what and where of the other side. I still play pbem, i have just one like minded opponent these days. We both like to play a lot of different games, we're pretty relaxed about it and we're not min/max players. I think the most important parts of finding someone to pbem with is your like minded about games and roughly the same skill level, we play for fun. We currently have 4 games going, Decisive Campaigns Ardennes, World at War Bull Run scenario, Shadow Empire, and Shenandoah Studio's Battle of the Bulge. I'm an average player so most times the AI is fine for me. As far as games are concerned i'm a jack of all trades, master of none.
Yeah I guess I am in that period. Never tried hotseat. Agreed sounds like the same type of player I am. I want to get DCA when it goes on sale. How do you like it so far?
Never heard of WAWBullRun? Have Shadow Empire but just cannot get into it...I guess that would be a PvE turn based game!
DCA is friggin great in both SP and MP, can't recommend it enough. Shadow Empire is pretty much PvE for us, it more of a slow burn game. We've played 40 turns and we seen no sign of each other. Sorry got the title wrong it's Wars Across the World https://store.steampowered.com/app/341040/Wars_Across_The_World/ we picked this up in the Steam sale and our giving it a spin in pbem. It is fun and interesting to go into a pbem cold where you both don't have any experience with the game. We're trying the base game which has a bunch of different scenarios from different time periods, we're currently playing Bull Run.
Nice will have to pick DCA up sometime!
So SE as PvE does that mean you both play against the AI and will not attack one another?
Interesting Wars Across the World never seen that one before any good?
^I have WAW but have only played the June 1967 Six Day War scenario.
https://store.steampowered.com/app/547620/Wars_Across_the_World_Six_Days_1967/
It's a fun war gaming system but a little too simplistic for my tastes as a single player game. I do see however that it could be fun playing against a human opponent.
Quote from: W8taminute on January 27, 2022, 09:04:59 AM
^I have WAW but have only played the June 1967 Six Day War scenario.
https://store.steampowered.com/app/547620/Wars_Across_the_World_Six_Days_1967/
It's a fun war gaming system but a little too simplistic for my tastes as a single player game. I do see however that it could be fun playing against a human opponent.
Yeah that's how I feel about the SGS games: https://store.steampowered.com/curator/36173274
I just can't get into them as the AI is poor and cards in strategy games are a turn off for me...
Does anyone enjoy these in single player?
Quote from: Tanaka on January 27, 2022, 12:58:56 AM
Quote from: -budd- on January 22, 2022, 09:59:47 PM
Quote from: Tanaka on January 22, 2022, 03:55:56 AM
Quote from: -budd- on January 21, 2022, 10:58:03 PM
Briefly MP ruined my SP experience. Started playing pbem for the first time around 3 years ago or so. Hit it hard and heavy, had as much as 7 different games playing pbem. Pretty much had given up SP for that period. Lasted about 6 months for me before i burned out. All my opponents were good, respectful, considerate players. Now i'm about 70% SP and 20% MP, the other 10%, which is a surprise to me is hotseat. Never thought i'd enjoy hotseat, but i just do a turn a day in hotseat mode, and i'll be damned if i don't forget the what and where of the other side. I still play pbem, i have just one like minded opponent these days. We both like to play a lot of different games, we're pretty relaxed about it and we're not min/max players. I think the most important parts of finding someone to pbem with is your like minded about games and roughly the same skill level, we play for fun. We currently have 4 games going, Decisive Campaigns Ardennes, World at War Bull Run scenario, Shadow Empire, and Shenandoah Studio's Battle of the Bulge. I'm an average player so most times the AI is fine for me. As far as games are concerned i'm a jack of all trades, master of none.
Yeah I guess I am in that period. Never tried hotseat. Agreed sounds like the same type of player I am. I want to get DCA when it goes on sale. How do you like it so far?
Never heard of WAWBullRun? Have Shadow Empire but just cannot get into it...I guess that would be a PvE turn based game!
DCA is friggin great in both SP and MP, can't recommend it enough. Shadow Empire is pretty much PvE for us, it more of a slow burn game. We've played 40 turns and we seen no sign of each other. Sorry got the title wrong it's Wars Across the World https://store.steampowered.com/app/341040/Wars_Across_The_World/ we picked this up in the Steam sale and our giving it a spin in pbem. It is fun and interesting to go into a pbem cold where you both don't have any experience with the game. We're trying the base game which has a bunch of different scenarios from different time periods, we're currently playing Bull Run.
Nice will have to pick DCA up sometime!
So SE as PvE does that mean you both play against the AI and will not attack one another?
Interesting Wars Across the World never seen that one before any good?
For SE we just haven't run into each other yet, but there is no agreement on not attacking each other. My start has been a little slow as i was short on food, water and IP with the starting spot i began with and only now am i getting my civ moving. Right now its just like an SP game, but you now there's another human out there. We send messages about our progress with each turn as this is our first go at MP. SE in general is a relaxed, slow moving game.
Wars Across the World is a title we talked about getting during the sale, probably wouldn't have got it if my pbem partner wasn't going to get it. We were attracted to all the different scenarios. We like to play a bunch of different kinds of PBEM games, to soon to tell if its a good lasting MP title, were only 5 turns into Bull Run, a smaller scenario to learn the ropes.
The SGS games we considered for same reasons we ended up getting Wars Across the World, but WATW was cheaper during the sale.
People don't suck, you just have to find a like minded[game wise] roughly the same skill level player to play with. He's retired and travels, i'm still working with a teenage daughter still in the house and a grandson we watch 3 or 4 times a week so the turn exchange is irregular at best. We keep in good contact and turns come when the come, there is always SP in the meantime. If anyone is not having fun with a scenario we move on to something else, no hard feelings. It's competitive but not competitive if you know what i mean. He's more of an attacking player, while i'm more measured. It's funny how you learn your PBEM partners patterns, sometimes you just know what there going to do in a situation and manage to beat them to the punch, and other times it's like where the hell did that come from, big part of what makes playing a real person fun i suppose. An AI might surprise you but its different when its another human.
I resisted MP for a lot of years with the same reasons people list here. The biggest reason i never played PBEM was my worry that i wouldn't be a good opponent, like i said i'm average at best at these games. I'm sure for some of the opponents i played when i started i was a speed bump, but they were all nice about it and i moved on to other opponents. If you play a person that has sunk hours upon hours into one game and you haven't your going to get smoked most times.
If i had time i'd let all you first time pbem players tune up beating my sorry ass, but right now i have more games than time.
Quote from: -budd- on January 28, 2022, 11:44:35 PM
Quote from: Tanaka on January 27, 2022, 12:58:56 AM
Quote from: -budd- on January 22, 2022, 09:59:47 PM
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Quote from: -budd- on January 21, 2022, 10:58:03 PM
Briefly MP ruined my SP experience. Started playing pbem for the first time around 3 years ago or so. Hit it hard and heavy, had as much as 7 different games playing pbem. Pretty much had given up SP for that period. Lasted about 6 months for me before i burned out. All my opponents were good, respectful, considerate players. Now i'm about 70% SP and 20% MP, the other 10%, which is a surprise to me is hotseat. Never thought i'd enjoy hotseat, but i just do a turn a day in hotseat mode, and i'll be damned if i don't forget the what and where of the other side. I still play pbem, i have just one like minded opponent these days. We both like to play a lot of different games, we're pretty relaxed about it and we're not min/max players. I think the most important parts of finding someone to pbem with is your like minded about games and roughly the same skill level, we play for fun. We currently have 4 games going, Decisive Campaigns Ardennes, World at War Bull Run scenario, Shadow Empire, and Shenandoah Studio's Battle of the Bulge. I'm an average player so most times the AI is fine for me. As far as games are concerned i'm a jack of all trades, master of none.
Yeah I guess I am in that period. Never tried hotseat. Agreed sounds like the same type of player I am. I want to get DCA when it goes on sale. How do you like it so far?
Never heard of WAWBullRun? Have Shadow Empire but just cannot get into it...I guess that would be a PvE turn based game!
DCA is friggin great in both SP and MP, can't recommend it enough. Shadow Empire is pretty much PvE for us, it more of a slow burn game. We've played 40 turns and we seen no sign of each other. Sorry got the title wrong it's Wars Across the World https://store.steampowered.com/app/341040/Wars_Across_The_World/ we picked this up in the Steam sale and our giving it a spin in pbem. It is fun and interesting to go into a pbem cold where you both don't have any experience with the game. We're trying the base game which has a bunch of different scenarios from different time periods, we're currently playing Bull Run.
Nice will have to pick DCA up sometime!
So SE as PvE does that mean you both play against the AI and will not attack one another?
Interesting Wars Across the World never seen that one before any good?
For SE we just haven't run into each other yet, but there is no agreement on not attacking each other. My start has been a little slow as i was short on food, water and IP with the starting spot i began with and only now am i getting my civ moving. Right now its just like an SP game, but you now there's another human out there. We send messages about our progress with each turn as this is our first go at MP. SE in general is a relaxed, slow moving game.
Wars Across the World is a title we talked about getting during the sale, probably wouldn't have got it if my pbem partner wasn't going to get it. We were attracted to all the different scenarios. We like to play a bunch of different kinds of PBEM games, to soon to tell if its a good lasting MP title, were only 5 turns into Bull Run, a smaller scenario to learn the ropes.
The SGS games we considered for same reasons we ended up getting Wars Across the World, but WATW was cheaper during the sale.
People don't suck, you just have to find a like minded[game wise] roughly the same skill level player to play with. He's retired and travels, i'm still working with a teenage daughter still in the house and a grandson we watch 3 or 4 times a week so the turn exchange is irregular at best. We keep in good contact and turns come when the come, there is always SP in the meantime. If anyone is not having fun with a scenario we move on to something else, no hard feelings. It's competitive but not competitive if you know what i mean. He's more of an attacking player, while i'm more measured. It's funny how you learn your PBEM partners patterns, sometimes you just know what there going to do in a situation and manage to beat them to the punch, and other times it's like where the hell did that come from, big part of what makes playing a real person fun i suppose. An AI might surprise you but its different when its another human.
I resisted MP for a lot of years with the same reasons people list here. The biggest reason i never played PBEM was my worry that i wouldn't be a good opponent, like i said i'm average at best at these games. I'm sure for some of the opponents i played when i started i was a speed bump, but they were all nice about it and i moved on to other opponents. If you play a person that has sunk hours upon hours into one game and you haven't your going to get smoked most times.
If i had time i'd let all you first time pbem players tune up beating my sorry ass, but right now i have more games than time.
Nice write up. Agree that people don't suck if you find the right ones. I've made a good friend with similar interests along the way. I also resisted until the pandemic year and decided to give it a go and am glad I did. It is so true about patterns. My good friend OCB talks about my patterns in our current game. It is fun to watch your PBEM's!
Yeah as far as being a good opponent I am definitely not the best I just like to have fun. I have never beaten OCB at SCWW1 he is so good but I was able to beat him at SCWAW. I have no interest in playing people just interested in blood sport. I like the journey not the destination and look for like-minded.
Quote from: Tanaka on January 28, 2022, 09:30:19 PM
Quote from: W8taminute on January 27, 2022, 09:04:59 AM
^I have WAW but have only played the June 1967 Six Day War scenario.
https://store.steampowered.com/app/547620/Wars_Across_the_World_Six_Days_1967/
It's a fun war gaming system but a little too simplistic for my tastes as a single player game. I do see however that it could be fun playing against a human opponent.
Yeah that's how I feel about the SGS games: https://store.steampowered.com/curator/36173274
I just can't get into them as the AI is poor and cards in strategy games are a turn off for me...
Does anyone enjoy these in single player?
I do.
Quote from: MengJiao on January 31, 2022, 03:53:50 PM
Quote from: Tanaka on January 28, 2022, 09:30:19 PM
Quote from: W8taminute on January 27, 2022, 09:04:59 AM
^I have WAW but have only played the June 1967 Six Day War scenario.
https://store.steampowered.com/app/547620/Wars_Across_the_World_Six_Days_1967/
It's a fun war gaming system but a little too simplistic for my tastes as a single player game. I do see however that it could be fun playing against a human opponent.
Yeah that's how I feel about the SGS games: https://store.steampowered.com/curator/36173274
I just can't get into them as the AI is poor and cards in strategy games are a turn off for me...
Does anyone enjoy these in single player?
I do.
Which one of the SGS games is your favorite? Could you go into more detail as to why you like them? I want to but need some convincing..
I liked Winter War and The Mexican War. Many others were pretty bad, even Afrika Corps was kind of unexciting. I might try Tunisia. I liked the way the cards provided some
strategies, but also some uncertainty.
For me personally it's often more a case of "MP ruined my faith in humanity, and caused me to never feel like playing "game X" ever again"
I think I've put my finger on why I do not enjoy multiplayer gaming...I'm just too damn competitive. It no longer is about relaxation and having fun. It becomes totally about destroying the other side and winning at all costs. The heart beats faster, the adrenaline surges, etc. It's like a real confrontation and winning means saving face. Not fun at game time.
You should see my family when we play board games. My wife and I are so friggin cut throat. We both need to win...even in the most childish games we play with our 8 and 2 year olds. We don't even let the kids win. I'll always remember this time we took our daughter to a birthday party where everyone gets to paint a picture on canvas. The image was a unicorn with a rainbow and we both were so into out painting the other it was like we were painting the god damn Sistine chapel. Meanwhile, nobody is watching the kid or helping her with her piece...the kids were off somewhere flinging poop. We were just so focused on having the better unicorn. LoL.
Co-op is better, but it still becomes about performance which takes away from my ability to simply enjoy the game.
In any event, I may be speculating. But I think this has got to be the answer.
^That is the answer for me. I just wanna chill. Most of the time.
Some of my best gaming experiences have been in MP, but mostly in games that are designed from the ground up to play that way.
For example, I had a multi-year run with Aces High 2 where through luck I joined a squadron of like-minded individuals. It was just incredible to log on to the server, find a fellow squaddie, and fly as a team in the arena. No SP flight sim I've ever played equaled the experience of a human-controlled wingman.
Similarly, if you can get on the right server, the RO2/Rising Storm series has been some great experiences.
I've never played PBEM or other wargames like that.
So I guess the answer for me is "it depends." 99% of the time I'm SP, but playing MP in the aforementioned games is super fun for what it is.
Quote from: Jarhead0331 on February 01, 2022, 07:50:48 AM
I think I've put my finger on why I do not enjoy multiplayer gaming...I'm just too damn competitive. It no longer is about relaxation and having fun. It becomes totally about destroying the other side and winning at all costs. The heart beats faster, the adrenaline surges, etc. It's like a real confrontation and winning means saving face. Not fun at game time.
You should see my family when we play board games. My wife and I are so friggin cut throat. We both need to win...even in the most childish games we play with our 8 and 2 year olds. We don't even let the kids win. I'll always remember this time we took our daughter to a birthday party where everyone gets to paint a picture on canvas. The image was a unicorn with a rainbow and we both were so into out painting the other it was like we were painting the god damn Sistine chapel. Meanwhile, nobody is watching the kid or helping her with her piece...the kids were off somewhere flinging poop. We were just so focused on having the better unicorn. LoL.
Co-op is better, but it still becomes about performance which takes away from my ability to simply enjoy the game.
In any event, I may be speculating. But I think this has got to be the answer.
I'm more competitive than you...
;D
Quote from: Father Ted on February 01, 2022, 01:50:19 PM
Quote from: Jarhead0331 on February 01, 2022, 07:50:48 AM
I think I've put my finger on why I do not enjoy multiplayer gaming...I'm just too damn competitive. It no longer is about relaxation and having fun. It becomes totally about destroying the other side and winning at all costs. The heart beats faster, the adrenaline surges, etc. It's like a real confrontation and winning means saving face. Not fun at game time.
You should see my family when we play board games. My wife and I are so friggin cut throat. We both need to win...even in the most childish games we play with our 8 and 2 year olds. We don't even let the kids win. I'll always remember this time we took our daughter to a birthday party where everyone gets to paint a picture on canvas. The image was a unicorn with a rainbow and we both were so into out painting the other it was like we were painting the god damn Sistine chapel. Meanwhile, nobody is watching the kid or helping her with her piece...the kids were off somewhere flinging poop. We were just so focused on having the better unicorn. LoL.
Co-op is better, but it still becomes about performance which takes away from my ability to simply enjoy the game.
In any event, I may be speculating. But I think this has got to be the answer.
I'm more competitive than you...
No you're not! :coolsmiley:
Quote from: Jarhead0331 on February 01, 2022, 07:50:48 AM
I think I've put my finger on why I do not enjoy multiplayer gaming...I'm just too damn competitive. It no longer is about relaxation and having fun. It becomes totally about destroying the other side and winning at all costs. The heart beats faster, the adrenaline surges, etc. It's like a real confrontation and winning means saving face. Not fun at game time.
You should see my family when we play board games. My wife and I are so friggin cut throat. We both need to win...even in the most childish games we play with our 8 and 2 year olds. We don't even let the kids win. I'll always remember this time we took our daughter to a birthday party where everyone gets to paint a picture on canvas. The image was a unicorn with a rainbow and we both were so into out painting the other it was like we were painting the god damn Sistine chapel. Meanwhile, nobody is watching the kid or helping her with her piece...the kids were off somewhere flinging poop. We were just so focused on having the better unicorn. LoL.
Co-op is better, but it still becomes about performance which takes away from my ability to simply enjoy the game.
In any event, I may be speculating. But I think this has got to be the answer.
Yeah that part can make it a lot more stressful than SP for sure. Being competitive vs another human makes you take games more seriously and thus stress. In my WITPAE PBEM I would get stressed out just loading the game thinking about getting my carriers sunk or something haha. Because you put all this work into a game and it can go down the toilet in one strike. So you can stress about it in real life.
I discovered when I started playing Band of Brothers music it became more fun and relaxing like I was watching a movie and being a part of it. I will lose as Japan but I can have fun making things difficult for my opponent. Just trying to enjoy the journey and not the destination. Less stress more fun the music helped a lot with that. So I totally get that. SP is definitely more relaxing.
Sorry guys but I couldn't resist based off of the last couple of posts.
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Americans, traditionally, have always loved a winner. And will not tolerate a loser!
A virtual George Patton once slapped me for loosing a battle in Combat Mission.
What I also like about multiplayer is that under most circumstances I will finish a game. It motivates me to get out of my comfort zone think and strategize a move. Whereas when I am doing single player, I get lazy and quit a lot of times if the game gets too long winded or I'm distracted. Most games we play do take a commitment of time more so than most board games I played when I was in school or before personal PCs.
Quote from: Wburn on February 02, 2022, 03:22:52 PM
What I also like about multiplayer is that under most circumstances I will finish a game. It motivates me to get out of my comfort zone think and strategize a move. Whereas when I am doing single player, I get lazy and quit a lot of times if the game gets too long winded or I'm distracted. Most games we play do take a commitment of time more so than most board games I played when I was in school or before personal PCs.
THIS yes very good point. I am motivated to keep playing and I cannot save scum and reload. I am so tempted to want to redo things when playing SP and quit especially mid and end games when things get bloated. MP really makes you have to deal with your decisions and losses and makes you have to carry on! Another great reason for MP so true!