This looks kind of cool, might have to pull the trigger on it. Just trying to find out how much single player content is in it first.
https://store.steampowered.com/app/1874880/Arma_Reforger/
Powered by the new Enfusion engine, Arma Reforger lets you fight for supremacy over 51 km2 of incredible island terrain in an authentic Cold War setting, or create unique scenarios in real-time with the Game Master curation mode. Return to Everon, the war-driven microstate from the hit game that started it all, Arma: Cold War Assault.
Arma Reforger is the first step towards Arma 4 and a versatile, creative, fully-moddable platform for the future, offering a glimpse of things to come.
The best part of this is that it acknowledges and confirms that ARMA4 is real and that it is already under development.
At 1:42...
Yep...and I already broke down and bought this.
Downloading now. I just want to drive around Everon, wish they did Maldon too. I still have flashbacks...those faces... "oh no! One... is down...", "Four... where are...you?"
Not sure what to make of it yet.....seems more like a paid technical demo and an option for ARMA4 modders to get a head start. Thought I saw somewhere mentioned the game would only be supported for about a year before they fully move on to ARMA4. The main single player content is just the tutorial so far and some people have mentioned being able to do some kind o multiplayer bot mode, but I haven't figured that out yet. I really don't care if they ever add a campaign or too many single player missions as lond as the community ends up publishing some of that. Depending on how things pan out over the next week or so, I may consider refunding it and try later when more flushed out.....although based on my history, that isn't likely.
I don't see the point in this, they should released it free to play. 30.00 bucks for this is pretty lame to me. I'm just going to wait for arma4, plus there's already a ton of Cold War content for arma3.
Quote from: Skoop on May 18, 2022, 05:38:23 AM
I don't see the point in this, they should released it free to play. 30.00 bucks for this is pretty lame to me. I'm just going to wait for arma4, plus there's already a ton of Cold War content for arma3.
I think for the average or casual player, $29.99 will not make sense. I think it is overpriced for the content that it presently has. I also think it is overpriced if it is only going to be supported for a year, although I have trouble believing this developer would simply abandon anything seeing how they have supported the other arma titles for years. Still, I got this to support development of arma4...no other reason. I'm not sure when I'll even get around to playing it.
A lot of people seem to be claiming reforger is over simplified for consoles?
Quote from: Destraex on May 18, 2022, 08:00:33 AM
A lot of people seem to be claiming reforger is over simplified for consoles?
I think that is a silly claim. This is very early access. I think part of the whole point of Reforger is that it lets serious players get into the new engine and help shape development, just like Bohemia did with the development branch of ARMA3. This way players can make requests and suggestions for features. Otherwise, the handling of infantry, if anything, is more flexible than it was in ARMA3...pacing, posture and crouching, jumping and vaulting, etc. It is all much more advanced.
People just need to chill. This is the first brush stroke on a new canvas.
Arma4 is coming and I have no doubt Reforger will help make it epic.
I might feel better about paying $30 for the first stroke of a brush on canvas, if there was strong promise of that being a downpayment on the price of the eventual painting. ::)
Quote from: JasonPratt on May 18, 2022, 11:57:22 AM
I might feel better about paying $30 for the first stroke of a brush on canvas, if there was strong promise of that being a downpayment on the price of the eventual painting. ::)
I'll never understand this kind of an attitude. If supporting development is not your thing, fine. I can dig it. But there is literally nothing else out there that even comes close to this combat sandbox and the support that Bohemia has devoted to the last title in the series that is now almost over TEN YEARS old has been second to none. No other developer that I am aware of supports games with patches and fresh content like Bohemia has. To this day, they still support the game and release updates and content.
Its $30 for Christ's sake. It's not like you're talking about a down payment on a house.
Yeah, I am not losing too much sleep over this.....I suspect we will see some of the content I am looking for in single player stuff by mods at some point, enough to keep me busy. From my short time with it, "feels" better to me, smoother than in the past. As for console comments, not sure what that is based on. Granted I have gotten far, but seems very typical ARMA to me so far. I actually like the fact it seems more friendly to controllers as I much prefer that over mouse/keyboard.
My only question/concern about this version and the future ARMA 4 version is how much of the content will be dedicated to single player. Just hope it shares focus with the single player experience. Time will tell.
Quote from: Grim.Reaper on May 18, 2022, 12:46:03 PM
My only question/concern about this version and the future ARMA 4 version is how much of the content will be dedicated to single player. Just hope it shares focus with the single player experience. Time will tell.
Agreed 100%. Arma 3, particularly with its later DLC content set a pretty bad precedent for this. But, yes, there is a tremendous amount of modded content out there for solo players like us, including campaigns and dynamic scenarios.
Just kinda sad that Arma 3 will be heading to the great beyond sooner or later. Still, onwards and upwards!
Quote from: Dammit Carl! on May 18, 2022, 01:28:12 PM
Just kinda sad that Arma 3 will be heading to the great beyond sooner or later. Still, onwards and upwards!
It will always be a great game and will probably always have a spot on my HD...with mods, it has one heck of a foot print too.
Heck, sometimes I still think about re-installing Arma 2!
Just thought I'd get back into ArmA after many years away.
Tried to find some mods and such at Armaholic and darn if
that site is gone. Lotsa good stuff on there it's a shame.
Quote from: gregb41352 on May 18, 2022, 09:16:38 PM
Just thought I'd get back into ArmA after many years away.
Tried to find some mods and such at Armaholic and darn if
that site is gone. Lotsa good stuff on there it's a shame.
Steam workshop, dude.
Quote from: Jarhead0331 on May 18, 2022, 12:06:35 PM
Quote from: JasonPratt on May 18, 2022, 11:57:22 AM
I might feel better about paying $30 for the first stroke of a brush on canvas, if there was strong promise of that being a downpayment on the price of the eventual painting. ::)
I'll never understand this kind of an attitude. If supporting development is not your thing, fine. I can dig it.
I've financially supported
lots of beta and even alpha development over the years, including some Kickstarter boardgames where much less than Reforger (namely nothing playable by me yet) existed. Heck, this past month I played several dozen hours of 7 Days to Die again (until its system architecture inevitably unraveled again, and I don't even like zombie games usually), and it has been in alpha almost as long as Star Citizen. I got into that game no later than Alpha 8, maybe back as far as Alpha 6, and it's now working through build 20.
Anyway, I wasn't AT ALL against supporting the game for future development. My quip was aimed at the rumor that Reforger will be dropped in favor of a separate finished game to be re-bought later.
The key to the rumor or guess about separate builds to buy, goes back to the asking price: $30 seems like about half what the eventual list price will be; so okay they're opening up alpha development for capitalization by early backers, if fans of the series want to. For purposes of making sure early adopters pay the rest of the eventual list price, there has to be two builds, I understand that. But shouldn't that be a pay half (or whatever eventual fraction) now, pay the rest later?
Your own assessment previously, including on the rumor (my italics), was, "I think for the average or casual player, $29.99 will not make sense. I think it is overpriced for the content that it presently has. I also think it is overpriced
if it is only going to be supported for a year, although I have trouble believing this developer would simply abandon anything seeing how they have supported the other arma titles for years."
Well, yes, I also agree that's overpriced, if it is
ONLY going to be supported for a year -- implying the full build must be bought again at full release price (or at the normal temporary release discount let's say). Much moreso by proportion do I agree it's currently overpriced, the less the current content exists (only the first stroke of a brush on new canvas). How am I disagreeing in principle with you there??
And yet, if Bohemia Interactive was making a clear and strong commitment to provide a loyalty discount for early backers, I'd be more likely to invest early, even if this build is only the first brush stroke on a new canvas -- and based on their own comments there seems to be more than just a brush stroke already, which is a good thing, right?
Now, I went to their Early Access FAQ on Steam's game page, to see if they had any clarity on this matter. The only statement I found pertaining to the topic, sort of, was this toward the end: "Will the game be priced differently during and after Early Access?
"The price will remain the same after Early Access."" (This was their least detailed answer by far, btw.)
So... really, Arma 4, the full game, will only be US$30?? That's amazing! We should all be rejoicing! Or did they mean the tech demo will remain the same price, $30, after the full game is released...? That sounds kind of insane, so surely not correct? But maybe they mean the general multiplayer will be $30 (being released in late alpha now for early adopters to help with development, which seems to me a smart idea for this game series), and the singleplayer or co-op campaign will be another $30 or more (sort of on the Star Citizen purchase model). Okay, that's doable, sure -- but how does that fit with the rumor that Reforger will only be supported for a year?
The implications of the rest of their Early Access FAQ look more like what we'd expect if this early build is simply transitioning into the full game eventually, which would be the usual process. They don't say Reforger as a program for sale will only be supported for a year; they say, "We are expecting the Early Access phase to last a year, maximum." Okay, that's fine (if overly optimistic, but they seem to say in their FAQ that a ton of content is already in Reforger.)
It's the (even briefer) statement that the price won't change after EA ends, which is confusing.
Quote from: Jarhead0331 on May 18, 2022, 08:08:40 AM
Quote from: Destraex on May 18, 2022, 08:00:33 AM
A lot of people seem to be claiming reforger is over simplified for consoles?
I think that is a silly claim. This is very early access. I think part of the whole point of Reforger is that it lets serious players get into the new engine and help shape development, just like Bohemia did with the development branch of ARMA3. This way players can make requests and suggestions for features. Otherwise, the handling of infantry, if anything, is more flexible than it was in ARMA3...pacing, posture and crouching, jumping and vaulting, etc. It is all much more advanced.
People just need to chill. This is the first brush stroke on a new canvas.
Arma4 is coming and I have no doubt Reforger will help make it epic.
Nice. That's really good to know. It's always refreshing to get the low down from you guys.
Good material here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m5b9nruiZwU
Thomm
So is Reforger content just Multi-player?
Quote from: ArizonaTank on May 19, 2022, 01:26:59 PM
So is Reforger content just Multi-player?
In the present state, apparently yes.
Best regards
Thomm
Quote from: Thomm on May 19, 2022, 05:00:18 PM
Quote from: ArizonaTank on May 19, 2022, 01:26:59 PM
So is Reforger content just Multi-player?
In the present state, apparently yes.
Best regards
Thomm
You can create quick missions with AI squads. That is my understanding...I have not personally tried it out yet though.
Quote from: Jarhead0331 on May 18, 2022, 09:21:27 PM
Quote from: gregb41352 on May 18, 2022, 09:16:38 PM
Just thought I'd get back into ArmA after many years away.
Tried to find some mods and such at Armaholic and darn if
that site is gone. Lotsa good stuff on there it's a shame.
Steam workshop, dude.
Of course but there were mods for ArmA2 and OFP and other things not on Steam workshop.
After watching the videos, the game play does look way more fluid and improved. Still would not spend 30bucks on this, I'd be all in if it was F2P or even 10bucks.
I'd even preorder arma4 for 60 bucks if they threw this in for free.
Reforger Roadmap released...
https://reforger.armaplatform.com/news/roadmap (https://reforger.armaplatform.com/news/roadmap)