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Title: Fire & Maneuver Alpha Gameplay - WEGO victorian era game
Post by: Destraex on June 17, 2022, 07:55:47 AM
The Armchair Historian comes a new strategy game set in the Victorian Era.
Colour me at least a little interested. If the graphics and animations were top notch as well as the troop numbers this would be amazing. A great replacement for total war it would be.

https://youtu.be/myE5elSIGAU
Title: Re: Fire & Maneuver Alpha Gameplay - WEGO victorian era game
Post by: Jarhead0331 on June 17, 2022, 08:13:05 AM
http://www.grogheads.com/forums/index.php?topic=26308.0 (http://www.grogheads.com/forums/index.php?topic=26308.0)
Title: Re: Fire & Maneuver Alpha Gameplay - WEGO victorian era game
Post by: Rayfer on June 17, 2022, 10:12:10 AM
Quote from: Destraex on June 17, 2022, 07:55:47 AM
The Armchair Historian comes a new strategy game set in the Victorian Era.
Colour me at least a little interested. If the graphics and animations were top notch as well as the troop numbers this would be amazing. A great replacement for total war it would be.

https://youtu.be/myE5elSIGAU

And, according to the video link, the base game will be free...not bad!
Title: Re: Fire & Maneuver Alpha Gameplay - WEGO victorian era game
Post by: Destraex on June 17, 2022, 10:45:44 PM
Quote from: Jarhead0331 on June 17, 2022, 08:13:05 AM
http://www.grogheads.com/forums/index.php?topic=26308.0 (http://www.grogheads.com/forums/index.php?topic=26308.0)

I did a search sorry. Must have screwed that up. I think I spell maneuver a strange way and have never managed to correct myself.
Title: Re: Fire & Maneuver Alpha Gameplay - WEGO victorian era game
Post by: Destraex on June 17, 2022, 10:47:07 PM
Quote from: Rayfer on June 17, 2022, 10:12:10 AM
Quote from: Destraex on June 17, 2022, 07:55:47 AM
The Armchair Historian comes a new strategy game set in the Victorian Era.
Colour me at least a little interested. If the graphics and animations were top notch as well as the troop numbers this would be amazing. A great replacement for total war it would be.

https://youtu.be/myE5elSIGAU

And, according to the video link, the base game will be free...not bad!

Yep apparently free with microtransactions for cosmetics?
Title: Re: Fire & Maneuver Alpha Gameplay - WEGO victorian era game
Post by: PAK on July 15, 2022, 02:51:28 AM
From description: "The game's innovative "simultaneous turn system". Judging from this and from videos, it is simply WEGO. I wouldn't say it is terribly innovative, Atomic Games used WEGO back in 1991 in their V for Victory series. ;-)
Still, WEGO is rather rarely used and I like this system very much and will wait for F&M eagerly.
Title: Re: Fire & Maneuver Alpha Gameplay - WEGO victorian era game
Post by: The_Admiral on July 15, 2022, 03:31:22 AM
Some newer gameplay ;)
Title: Re: Fire & Maneuver Alpha Gameplay - WEGO victorian era game
Post by: Grim.Reaper on July 15, 2022, 05:00:49 AM
Sounds like this releases today around noon eastern time.  Will definitely check it out.
Title: Re: Fire & Maneuver Alpha Gameplay - WEGO victorian era game
Post by: Destraex on July 15, 2022, 09:28:26 AM
Yeah. I am a bit disappointed that by WEGO they mean that both players units that they first chose to set a move up for go without the rest of the army following. Thus it's not true WEGO, but rather simultaneous unit by unit turns. I will certainly be trying it to see if this system works. It might mean that the supporting unit you are waiting for being perhaps the 3rd unit that will move or fire just misses out on supporting the 1st unit you moved and it loses. I gather though that combat takes a fair few turns to resolve so this may not matter so much.

When I move my army I want to see the entire line move at once, otherwise it does not look so glorious...  ;D
Title: Re: Fire & Maneuver Alpha Gameplay - WEGO victorian era game
Post by: Gusington on July 15, 2022, 10:11:16 AM
^That last line, heh  :notworthy:
Title: Re: Fire & Maneuver Alpha Gameplay - WEGO victorian era game
Post by: SirAndrewD on July 15, 2022, 10:37:11 AM
My loins are moist. 

I'd prefer something a bit more straight like Age of Rifles, but hopefully this will do. 

I look forward to digging into this one while at work today.
Title: Re: Fire & Maneuver Alpha Gameplay - WEGO victorian era game
Post by: steve58 on July 15, 2022, 11:36:50 AM
Quote from: Grim.Reaper on July 15, 2022, 05:00:49 AM
Sounds like this releases today around noon eastern time.  Will definitely check it out.

The 3 DLCs are showing release times of 2-4 hours.  Wonder if that also applies to the as yet unreleased base game?
Title: Re: Fire & Maneuver Alpha Gameplay - WEGO victorian era game
Post by: SirAndrewD on July 15, 2022, 12:27:52 PM
Quote from: steve58 on July 15, 2022, 11:36:50 AM
Quote from: Grim.Reaper on July 15, 2022, 05:00:49 AM
Sounds like this releases today around noon eastern time.  Will definitely check it out.

The 3 DLCs are showing release times of 2-4 hours.  Wonder if that also applies to the as yet unreleased base game?

Looks like it.  Forums expect release at 3pm EST now.
Title: Re: Fire & Maneuver Alpha Gameplay - WEGO victorian era game
Post by: Grim.Reaper on July 15, 2022, 12:51:32 PM
Quote from: steve58 on July 15, 2022, 11:36:50 AM
Quote from: Grim.Reaper on July 15, 2022, 05:00:49 AM
Sounds like this releases today around noon eastern time.  Will definitely check it out.

The 3 DLCs are showing release times of 2-4 hours.  Wonder if that also applies to the as yet unreleased base game?

Yeah, a posting in the forum originally said 12pm but certainly must have been wrong...as long as today, not big deal for me.
Title: Re: Fire & Maneuver Alpha Gameplay - WEGO victorian era game
Post by: SirAndrewD on July 15, 2022, 12:53:25 PM
^ But, what the heck am I supposed to do at work till then?
Title: Re: Fire & Maneuver Alpha Gameplay - WEGO victorian era game
Post by: CJReich46 on July 15, 2022, 02:34:13 PM
Right now it's I'll believe it when I see it. 
Title: Re: Fire & Maneuver Alpha Gameplay - WEGO victorian era game
Post by: PAK on July 15, 2022, 03:32:37 PM
Quote from: The_Admiral on July 15, 2022, 03:31:22 AM
Some newer gameplay ;)


Ah, das Yorck'scher March! +5 for coolness! ;-)
Title: Re: Fire & Maneuver Alpha Gameplay - WEGO victorian era game
Post by: SirAndrewD on July 15, 2022, 04:05:13 PM
Quote from: CJReich46 on July 15, 2022, 02:34:13 PM
Right now it's I'll believe it when I see it.

According to their discord they're having a few issues they're trying to iron out with beta testers before release, but if they can't fix them they're going to put it up anyway "soon". 

Guess I'll have to.....work..for the rest of my workday.    :pullhair:
Title: Re: Fire & Maneuver Alpha Gameplay - WEGO victorian era game
Post by: Jarhead0331 on July 15, 2022, 04:17:13 PM
Quote from: SirAndrewD on July 15, 2022, 04:05:13 PM
Quote from: CJReich46 on July 15, 2022, 02:34:13 PM
Right now it's I'll believe it when I see it.

According to their discord they're having a few issues they're trying to iron out with beta testers before release, but if they can't fix them they're going to put it up anyway "soon". 

Guess I'll have to.....work..for the rest of my workday.    :pullhair:

Did you work today at all, or have you just been banging on the refresh button?  :crazy2:
Title: Re: Fire & Maneuver Alpha Gameplay - WEGO victorian era game
Post by: SirAndrewD on July 15, 2022, 04:29:13 PM
Quote from: Jarhead0331 on July 15, 2022, 04:17:13 PM

Did you work today at all, or have you just been banging on the refresh button?  :crazy2:

I apologize for nothing.
Title: Re: Fire & Maneuver Alpha Gameplay - WEGO victorian era game
Post by: steve58 on July 15, 2022, 04:36:35 PM
Its available...and downloading.

DLCs are in the ~$15 range.
Title: Re: Fire & Maneuver Alpha Gameplay - WEGO victorian era game
Post by: CJReich46 on July 15, 2022, 04:42:43 PM
Woot. 15? that's not entirely bad.
Title: Re: Fire & Maneuver Alpha Gameplay - WEGO victorian era game
Post by: Grim.Reaper on July 15, 2022, 04:43:19 PM
Little more than I thought the dlc would be
Title: Re: Fire & Maneuver Alpha Gameplay - WEGO victorian era game
Post by: CJReich46 on July 15, 2022, 04:44:02 PM
Quote from: Grim.Reaper on July 15, 2022, 04:43:19 PM
Little more than I thought the dlc would be

Ditto and given that my familiarity with this era is hazy...this might be interesting to say the least.
Title: Re: Fire & Maneuver Alpha Gameplay - WEGO victorian era game
Post by: steve58 on July 15, 2022, 06:25:55 PM
Maybe its just me, but am having interface issues.  Can't quit game and maneuvers seem to work sometimes, other times not.  When I have some time, going to have to spend more time listening/watching the "tutorial", since it doesn't seem to be an interactive tutorial...still an early access game, so...
Title: Re: Fire & Maneuver Alpha Gameplay - WEGO victorian era game
Post by: Grim.Reaper on July 15, 2022, 06:26:33 PM
Just a heads up if you click one of the DLC you then have access to purchase the standard bundle with all the DLC for around $24...versus buying the DLC separate.
Title: Re: Fire & Maneuver Alpha Gameplay - WEGO victorian era game
Post by: SirAndrewD on July 15, 2022, 06:51:13 PM
Quote from: steve58 on July 15, 2022, 06:25:55 PM
Maybe its just me, but am having interface issues.  Can't quit game and maneuvers seem to work sometimes, other times not.  When I have some time, going to have to spend more time listening/watching the "tutorial", since it doesn't seem to be an interactive tutorial...still an early access game, so...

It's not just you.

Also no support for super ultra widescreen format which is a tiny bummer but not huge.
Title: Re: Fire & Maneuver Alpha Gameplay - WEGO victorian era game
Post by: Jarhead0331 on July 15, 2022, 07:02:51 PM
I couldn't quit either...not the greatest first impression, but the art style is pleasant and there is definitely potential here.
Title: Re: Fire & Maneuver Alpha Gameplay - WEGO victorian era game
Post by: Silent Disapproval Robot on July 15, 2022, 07:15:29 PM
Does anyone else find that the units appear to be very blurry when zoomed in?  I've tried switching up gfx resolutions, settings, and post effects but no matter what I try, the units are super blurry.
Title: Re: Fire & Maneuver Alpha Gameplay - WEGO victorian era game
Post by: Gusington on July 15, 2022, 07:55:31 PM
I also could not quit and yes my units appear to be a bit blurry. But I'm willing to overlook these things in the alpha state for that sweet, sweet European Empires dlc. Haven't bought it yet but it's just a matter of...minutes. This is something I've been waiting for...forever.
Title: Re: Fire & Maneuver Alpha Gameplay - WEGO victorian era game
Post by: Silent Disapproval Robot on July 15, 2022, 09:06:06 PM
I think it's the Depth of Field option.  I can't seem to get it to turn off from the settings menu.  I'll poke around tomorrow and see if there's somethin in an .ini or .cfg file that I can change in order to turn it off.
Title: Re: Fire & Maneuver Alpha Gameplay - WEGO victorian era game
Post by: Grim.Reaper on July 16, 2022, 09:25:53 AM
Haven't put a lot of time into it yet, but struggle a little with the UI and options.  Hated the very long intro/tutorial video that was forced the first time loading, couldn't find any way to skip it.  Luckily the next time playing didn't happen.  Still way early in the early access so I am hopeful and will be keeping up with it.
Title: Re: Fire & Maneuver Alpha Gameplay - WEGO victorian era game
Post by: SirAndrewD on July 16, 2022, 12:02:06 PM
Yeah, this one needs a lot of work. 

Probably going to let this one rest for a bit while development gets goes longer.
Title: Re: Fire & Maneuver Alpha Gameplay - WEGO victorian era game
Post by: Jarhead0331 on July 16, 2022, 04:54:18 PM
The devs posted an update on Steam today addressing a lot of the bugs, criticisms and problems and laying our sort of a roadmap.
Title: Re: Fire & Maneuver Alpha Gameplay - WEGO victorian era game
Post by: Grim.Reaper on July 16, 2022, 06:06:51 PM
Great, look forward to see what they have done.  Hoping at some point you can use the mouse more for scrolling the battlefield and such versus keyboard, unless I missed an option for it.
Title: Re: Fire & Maneuver Alpha Gameplay - WEGO victorian era game
Post by: Destraex on July 16, 2022, 08:41:38 PM
Not liking it so far. It's even far inferior to a total war game let alone a scourge of war game.

The whole movement system is unpredictable and clunky. You have no idea when an enemy unit will move and in what order and so it makes the battlefield hard to read and looks very disjointed time flow wise. Then you have the movement cutting corners of roads and all sorts of things... I have no idea how to keep my units quick marching on roads if they even do that?
I also have no idea how to allow my troops to fire on approaching enemy instead of just allowing themselves to be charged for no reply or how to retreat unit (or at least disengage) while in a fight.
It is really hard to know when you can do what in terms of orders like faceing, fire orders etc
Add to that that the whole thing is very hard to look at.
I am used to being spoiled by scourge of war waterloos order system.. which is clunky but has so many options.
If this was TRUE wego things would be markedly different I suspect.

I get that it is a small enthusiast crew. So it's a good effort to begin with. But that does not make it playable. This one is a bust out of the gate for me so far. Needs to be torn apart and rebuilt.
Title: Re: Fire & Maneuver Alpha Gameplay - WEGO victorian era game
Post by: ArizonaTank on July 17, 2022, 09:54:46 AM
Played around with it a bit...  In general I am happy to see it here. But I agree it does still need some polishing. Giving commands is still too fiddly. Overall, it feels like Slitherine's "Sengoku-Jidai" somewhat...not a bad thing, but definitely putting the game in the "light" category.
Title: Re: Fire & Maneuver Alpha Gameplay - WEGO victorian era game
Post by: Silent Disapproval Robot on July 17, 2022, 07:25:24 PM
I ended up refunding it.  The latest update killed it for me.  I couldn't even start a quick battle.  Hopefully they can get it patched up to a state where it's playable and then I'll probably pick it up. 
Title: Re: Fire & Maneuver Alpha Gameplay - WEGO victorian era game
Post by: Jarhead0331 on July 17, 2022, 07:41:11 PM
Why would they release it in such a sorry state? Bizarre decision.
Title: Re: Fire & Maneuver Alpha Gameplay - WEGO victorian era game
Post by: Grim.Reaper on July 17, 2022, 07:50:47 PM
And isn't the main developer someone on YouTube that has played and reviewed a ton of strategy games?  I had thought coming from a gamer like that they would have understood the basics but really surprised by how far that might have missed the mark.  Still likely will keep for now and see how it plays out, but don't see me investing in any further dlc.
Title: Re: Fire & Maneuver Alpha Gameplay - WEGO victorian era game
Post by: Silent Disapproval Robot on July 17, 2022, 09:44:54 PM
There are more than a few posts in the Discord and on the Steam page saying that some people get a black screen after booting up the game which corrupts things so badly they have to reinstall Win 10.  Surprised Steam allows the game to still be up if that's the case.
Title: Re: Fire & Maneuver Alpha Gameplay - WEGO victorian era game
Post by: al_infierno on July 17, 2022, 10:12:01 PM
Quote from: Silent Disapproval Robot on July 17, 2022, 09:44:54 PM
There are more than a few posts in the Discord and on the Steam page saying that some people get a black screen after booting up the game which corrupts things so badly they have to reinstall Win 10.  Surprised Steam allows the game to still be up if that's the case.

:hide: :timeout:  Holy crippity crap.
Title: Re: Fire & Maneuver Alpha Gameplay - WEGO victorian era game
Post by: Silent Disapproval Robot on July 17, 2022, 10:39:53 PM
Reading through the Discord a bit more, it looks like a lot of the posts are from the same guy using different login names.  Hopefully the issue is with his PC and not with the game.  Lots of others reporting the black screen lockup forcing them to reboot but not having to reinstall their OS.
Title: Re: Fire & Maneuver Alpha Gameplay - WEGO victorian era game
Post by: Gusington on July 18, 2022, 08:26:58 AM
Oh Lordy Lord...I uninstalled the base game. Will revisit...at some distant point in time  :buck2:
Title: Re: Fire & Maneuver Alpha Gameplay - WEGO victorian era game
Post by: MC on July 18, 2022, 08:42:43 AM
This is exactly why I don't purchase early access until I research reviews and see a steady flow of positive progress. I have such a backlog that I don't want to waste my time on Alpha/Beta releases. It goes on my wishlist so I remember to occasionally check on it. If everything looks positive and the price will jump after release, I will buy early access. If not, I'll wait until release. It's not like they will sell out and I won't get a copy until weeks later.
Title: Re: Fire & Maneuver Alpha Gameplay - WEGO victorian era game
Post by: Jarhead0331 on July 18, 2022, 08:50:21 AM
I think we should measure some of the criticism here. I mean, there is a sock puppet on discord claiming he had to reinstall windows. I'm not saying it didn't happen, but why does he keep creating new accounts to make the same claim? Sounds like a guy with an axe to grind.

Its got issues, no question. But I was able to play it and I wasn't totally turned off by the experience. They released in early access most likely because they need the funding. Don't these guys deserve a chance? I'm willing to spend $15-$20 to help support the concept and design.
Title: Re: Fire & Maneuver Alpha Gameplay - WEGO victorian era game
Post by: The_Admiral on July 18, 2022, 01:14:45 PM
Guys, just wanna point out, not unlike Jarhead, that mathematically, using a conservative multiplier, 688 reviews means that at the very least between 25000 and 30000 people have already installed this game (which doesn't amount to playing it, but still). I wouldn't be too worried about the tech-related fundamentals.
Title: Re: Fire & Maneuver Alpha Gameplay - WEGO victorian era game
Post by: ArizonaTank on July 18, 2022, 06:11:59 PM
Quote from: Jarhead0331 on July 18, 2022, 08:50:21 AM
I think we should measure some of the criticism here. I mean, there is a sock puppet on discord claiming he had to reinstall windows. I'm not saying it didn't happen, but why does he keep creating new accounts to make the same claim? Sounds like a guy with an axe to grind.

Its got issues, no question. But I was able to play it and I wasn't totally turned off by the experience. They released in early access most likely because they need the funding. Don't these guys deserve a chance? I'm willing to spend $15-$20 to help support the concept and design.

Running fine for me, even after the last patch. Agree, the game needs work, but I do like where it is going.
Title: Re: Fire & Maneuver Alpha Gameplay - WEGO victorian era game
Post by: Silent Disapproval Robot on July 18, 2022, 06:48:19 PM
Mine was running until the update from 2 days ago.  After that, I couldn't start a quick battle.  I'd select my forces and click the ready button but nothing would happen.  I'd restart the game and try again but I'd just keep getting the sane result and by queue of battles ended up filling the entire column on the left.  I also found that all the nations on the campaign map had locked themselves.   

I Uninstaller, deleted the files in users/appdata... and reinstalled but ran into the same problem.  I was getting close to the 2 hour total "playtime" limit for refunds and decided to bin it.

If they patch it up and make it more stable, I'll likely grab it again.