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Digital Gaming => Computer Gaming => Topic started by: Gusington on October 19, 2022, 07:30:01 PM

Title: VR WWI Flight Sims
Post by: Gusington on October 19, 2022, 07:30:01 PM
I can swear I have seen other WWI flight sims in VR besides Flying Circus. Have I lost my mind? Post what you know here to stave off my further mental decline.
Title: Re: VR WWI Flight Sims
Post by: SirAndrewD on October 19, 2022, 10:06:03 PM
Only one I directly know of. 

https://store.steampowered.com/app/1546500/Warplanes_WW1_Fighters/
Title: Re: VR WWI Flight Sims
Post by: Gusington on October 20, 2022, 06:44:16 AM
Thanks D. That was the one I was thinking of - not sure why I was under the impression there were more. Early onset dementia? Wishful thinking?
Title: Re: VR WWI Flight Sims
Post by: SirAndrewD on October 20, 2022, 12:15:46 PM
Probably just the idea that there are a bunch of WW1 Flight Sims but the better and more fleshed out ones don't have VR. 

I'm hoping one day Flying Circus will catch up to Rise of Flight, but I'm not holding my breath.  The process on it's been slow compared to its older brother.
Title: Re: VR WWI Flight Sims
Post by: Gusington on October 20, 2022, 12:38:48 PM
Yeah progress on WWI flying games is slow, VR or not.
Title: Re: VR WWI Flight Sims
Post by: Father Ted on October 20, 2022, 01:33:39 PM
Sadly it's a niche market, so there's no one out there prepared to invest in making a new one.  In the community there the perception that even FC is just a loss-leader for its WW2 big brother - hence the slow development.  Your only alternative to FC for a sim is WOFF, but that is based off of a truly ancient game, so VR won't be coming to that.
Title: Re: VR WWI Flight Sims
Post by: SirAndrewD on October 20, 2022, 01:44:40 PM
I like WOFF and it's got a lot out of the engine, but Rise of Flight is still a very valid and fine choice.  Heck I played a few missions last night. 

The lack of VR hurts it as a I feel WW1 sims REALLY shine with VR, but it's still a good option.

I'll take today's mix of options over the dark days of the early 00's post Red Baron 3d any day.
Title: Re: VR WWI Flight Sims
Post by: Jarhead0331 on October 20, 2022, 02:00:57 PM
Quote from: Father Ted on October 20, 2022, 01:33:39 PM
Sadly it's a niche market, so there's no one out there prepared to invest in making a new one.  In the community there the perception that even FC is just a loss-leader for its WW2 big brother - hence the slow development.  Your only alternative to FC for a sim is WOFF, but that is based off of a truly ancient game, so VR won't be coming to that.

Not necessarily. VR is coming to Falcon 4.0 in the form of BMS. It will be part of the next release. So, while I agree it is a long shot, never say never.
Title: Re: VR WWI Flight Sims
Post by: Skoop on October 20, 2022, 05:55:18 PM
Gus, VR in flying circus is as good as your going to get.  For single player career, use the Pat Wilson career app.  You download it free on the mod forums of the il2 site.  It's really good, better than the stock il2 career mode and comparable to woffs career.  Give it a go, and if that doesn't scratch the itch, I'm afraid your at a dead end.

There's also YouTubes about it if you want to check it out before you go down the rabbit hole of installing it.
Title: Re: VR WWI Flight Sims
Post by: SirAndrewD on October 20, 2022, 06:13:39 PM
Quote from: Skoop on October 20, 2022, 05:55:18 PM
Gus, VR in flying circus is as good as your going to get.  For single player career, use the Pat Wilson career app.  You download it free on the mod forums of the il2 site.  It's really good, better than the stock il2 career mode and comparable to woffs career.  Give it a go, and if that doesn't scratch the itch, I'm afraid your at a dead end.

There's also YouTubes about it if you want to check it out before you go down the rabbit hole of installing it.

I second that.

PWCG is really, really solid. 

I absolutely adore VR in FC as well.  There's honestly nothing quite like it.  It's going to cost me about $2k in December when I get and Aero.
Title: Re: VR WWI Flight Sims
Post by: Gusington on October 20, 2022, 07:18:10 PM
Thanks Skoop and D. I would invest in a VR set just for the above mod you mentioned...worth the money? Even though the options are limited this thread has me jonesing now :/
Title: Re: VR WWI Flight Sims
Post by: Jarhead0331 on October 20, 2022, 07:20:50 PM
Quote from: Gusington on October 20, 2022, 07:18:10 PM
Thanks Skoop and D. I would invest in a VR set just for the above mod you mentioned...worth the money? Even though the options are limited this thread has me jonesing now :/

If you want a headset, and don't mind one slightly used, let me know. I have a spare HP Reverb G2. It's one of the best headsets for simming available on the market now. 
Title: Re: VR WWI Flight Sims
Post by: Father Ted on October 20, 2022, 07:45:14 PM
Quote from: Jarhead0331 on October 20, 2022, 02:00:57 PM
Quote from: Father Ted on October 20, 2022, 01:33:39 PM
Sadly it's a niche market, so there's no one out there prepared to invest in making a new one.  In the community there the perception that even FC is just a loss-leader for its WW2 big brother - hence the slow development.  Your only alternative to FC for a sim is WOFF, but that is based off of a truly ancient game, so VR won't be coming to that.

Not necessarily. VR is coming to Falcon 4.0 in the form of BMS. It will be part of the next release. So, while I agree it is a long shot, never say never.

Sorry, I didn't know that these were WW1 sims.
Title: Re: VR WWI Flight Sims
Post by: SirAndrewD on October 20, 2022, 09:14:02 PM
Just a suggestion to those thinking of WWI peripherals. 

I have totally replaced my Virpil Mongoose throttle with the Control Panel 3 with the four lever throttle quadrant. 

There's no scenario where a WW1 game requires all the buttons on my Mongoose, and the CP 3 throttle feels more natural for a WW1 bird, and has the convenient mixture and radiator handle right where it should be. 

If you're a WW1 or WW2 only simmer, thinking of Virpil and you're intimidated by the cost and size of the Mongoose, consider the CP 3 instead.  I'm transitioning to using it for WW2 as well since I can put pretty much every control I really need for quick access on my Stick plus CP1/2.

It's also super comfortable for VR since each of the levers are contoured so you can feel which part of the quadrant is which.
Title: Re: VR WWI Flight Sims
Post by: Gusington on October 21, 2022, 10:09:48 AM
^I think I am most attracted to WWI aircraft (and have been forever) because of their simplicity and to see that reflected in the 21st century gaming tech makes me squee with delight. When I was in my teens and 20s I could handle learning Falcon or similar but now at 48 my skills are...less...than they were.
Title: Re: VR WWI Flight Sims
Post by: Father Ted on October 21, 2022, 01:00:13 PM
Not needing to learn and use virtual avionics is definitely a plus for WW1 simming   :bd:.  A lot of purists will decry FC as simplistic, but you still need throttle, mixture, radiator and (in some cases) blip switch and elevator trim.  Then you also have bomb release, re-load guns, view control (FOV, bombsight, and map) and sundry other less-used functions.  It's all pretty do-able in VR without extra kit.
Title: Re: VR WWI Flight Sims
Post by: Skoop on October 21, 2022, 02:19:54 PM
I do play woff and FC occasionally but it is mostly to do coop with my son who absolutely loves all things WWI including the aircraft.  Personally, I love the techieness of modern aircraft.  I've also fallen into the latest Cold War craze that's struck the dcs online community.  It's a good balance of dog fighting in visual range, but being able to zoom around in jets.  The Cold War birds are not that difficult to operate either.
Title: Re: VR WWI Flight Sims
Post by: CaptainKoloth on October 21, 2022, 04:56:51 PM
Interestingly enough this was just published today on one of the YouTube channels I follow.
https://youtu.be/4sKverX9vvk
Title: Re: VR WWI Flight Sims
Post by: Jarhead0331 on October 21, 2022, 05:04:49 PM
^Damn. That actually makes me want to try it out.
Title: Re: VR WWI Flight Sims
Post by: Father Ted on October 21, 2022, 05:35:19 PM
Do it man. Those close-in dogfights are intense - especially in VR
Title: Re: VR WWI Flight Sims
Post by: Gusington on October 21, 2022, 05:47:15 PM
Well this thread has taken on more life suddenly. Thank you Father Ted and CPT Koloth.
Title: Re: VR WWI Flight Sims
Post by: SirAndrewD on October 21, 2022, 05:56:24 PM
Growling Sidewinder should get commission from me getting into VR from his videos.

There's nothing like being in a WW1 plane flying over no mans land and being able to just stare over the side of your plane and see the ground.
Title: Re: VR WWI Flight Sims
Post by: Silent Disapproval Robot on October 21, 2022, 06:01:48 PM
I think we've got enough for a GH WWI dogfights server!  (Somebody's gotta let Gus be rear gunner.  I've witnessed the carnage firsthand.)
Title: Re: VR WWI Flight Sims
Post by: Gusington on October 21, 2022, 06:30:07 PM
^I thought no one would remember that. All those deaths I suffered were not at my own hand! Think of the children!!
Title: Re: VR WWI Flight Sims
Post by: Dammit Carl! on October 21, 2022, 07:36:15 PM
Dang.  Gonna have to get Flying Circus now.  Hate having to re-buy all those beauts after sinking the dosh into Rise of Flight years ago.
Title: Re: VR WWI Flight Sims
Post by: Father Ted on October 22, 2022, 04:35:08 AM
Quote from: Dammit Carl! on October 21, 2022, 07:36:15 PM
Dang.  Gonna have to get Flying Circus now.  Hate having to re-buy all those beauts after sinking the dosh into Rise of Flight years ago.

FC 1 is quite often heavily discounted so doesn't have to be too painful