I didn't make this a poll because I (and others) would probably enjoy seeing why you do enjoy playing with bots, or absolutely despise it.
I have played Verdun and Tannenberg with bots only, because MP gaming is the devil's den.
So what say you? Bots for all old timey curmudgeons like me? Or put on some big boy gaming pants and get down to it with some MP?
Also - if you do utilize bots...which game do you use them in?
Not a lot of experience playing with/against bots other than on World of Warships. I prefer playing against human players on WoWS (usually harder, but more fun), but having bots to fight against for a few quick games (bot games are almost always quicker) is OK...mostly to grab the daily rewards :P
I like having the option of adding some of them into an MP game to flesh out teams. Gives cack-handed flailers like me a chance to get a few kills in a round while still keeping things challenging and unpredictable by having some humies on the other team.
'Cack-handed flailers'
One big reason I like bots is not because I like playing 'lone wolf' (although sometimes that is case) and bots are easy targets.
It is because bots are the closest you can come to real-life unit behavior in MP. I think the best use of bots is when games allow MP players to command a unit, and the player can give the bot unit group commands. When you have 15 human players on a side, each commanding a handful of bots in coordinated units...then you have a battle.
In non-bot, FPS MP games, the vast, vast majority of MP players don't train as units (however, I have seen this on a very rare occasion or two). Usually MP battles consist of players randomly disgorging from the spawn point towards the objective. If the individual MP players are cooperating, it is mostly ad hoc.
The result is that most MP games without bots just remind me of "team-building" laser tag with your office mates. An uncoordinated gaggle with laser fire firefights degenerating into wild laser brawls.
Not all bot games are interesting to me however. Bot games that have bots just as extra targets to fill in the gaps...don't interest me as much.
I like shooting bots, but generally not having them on my team.
I'll post my thoughts on this later when I have some time but I do love having bots as an option.
Overall, I would prefer full server with humans. However, that being said, I enjoy playing Verdun and Tannenburg with bots. They Play rather well and enhance the experience.
'I like big bots and I cannot lie?'
I'll see myself out.
^LOL
Quote from: Trooperc7 on December 16, 2022, 08:54:55 AM
Overall, I would prefer full server with humans. However, that being said, I enjoy playing Verdun and Tannenburg with bots. They Play rather well and enhance the experience.
When I do play Tannenburg I play private matches with bots that I setup. I can't seem to last for 5 seconds when I play a match against humans. Even against bots I'm lucky if I live for more than 2 minutes. I have a learning curve to hurdle on this game for sure.
Now with Heroes & Generals you can opt to play in matches that are mixed with real human players and bots. I find the luxury of chilling out easily killing bots to grind xp while at the same time having the option to focus on going after human players all in one match to be quite satisfying.
Then there are the all human player matches that I go to after I get warmed up fighting bots.
Games like COD, Battlefield, and Hell Let Loose are filled with nothing but relentless human players who know how to kill me in nanoseconds after I spawn. My fist shakes wildly at the screen as I sink into an unholy anger filled rage. My wife walks into the room to see if I'm ok, my tantrums can get so bad. Then I tell her that I'm ok, just relaxing playing some games. No, seriously. :)
Yeah, I really need bots in my life to calm me down. I also need to play shooter games that let me play with bots and have human players that aren't all mega rambo killing machines.
^I've been killed within minutes in Tannenberg with just bots too!
I love the ideas and look of Isonzo but I fear it would be pretty much the same. I'll probably pick it up anyway on discount at some point since I can't resist and have always been fascinated by that WWI front.
Sir Gus-a-lot has spoken!
I think it really depends on your play style and how much you play. My son, who plays at least an hour or two of MP games with a few of his friends every day, prefers exclusively human-v-human games. But that's because he and his friends have played together enough to recognize and respond to each other's style. They're young enough that they're not always professional about gauging results (e.g., "We always scream at Josh not to go charging in but he always does and gets killed, so we mostly end up playing together in 3-v-4 team matches"), but they very much develop a sense for who can do what and when.
If you play more casually, and/or don't play with the same set of people, I think there's a much larger role for bots.
It also depends on what your will-to-control is. Some people like God Games, where you can control every little thing and the challenge is coming up with the best approach. Others enjoy a more reactive play style, where the game world evolves rapidly and figuring out how to respond is more than half the challenge. This instinct can also drive how much of different game types one plays (e.g., WoWS vs. RTS games vs. TBS games vs. 4x games).
Great Topic!
Back in the day I played a mix of bots and players in Counter-Strike/Quake/Unreal tournament/etc. LOL the real players were usually my three girls. To this day we meet each December to have a Unreal Tournament slugfest and they are all in their 20s now. I like playing with RL players when they are not being complete d#cks. I completely rage quit Squad because of the jerk unit I got into that had no patience for a new player learning the ropes. It was a miserable experience. A lot of my past MMO playing were with good people with the occasional jerk. So for me if the players are cool in game then I usually enjoy the time. And I'm usually the guy with the negative score due to being capped more then doing any capping myself.
But I agree with all the sentiment about Bots. Occasionally, I do enjoy setting up a game with the bots at a lower aggression level and going around the map feeling mighty OP ;D.
^That's the spirit!
Quote from: SlagDog on December 16, 2022, 12:11:14 PM
Great Topic!
Back in the day I played a mix of bots and players in Counter-Strike/Quake/Unreal tournament/etc. LOL the real players were usually my three girls. To this day we meet each December to have a Unreal Tournament slugfest and they are all in their 20s now. I like playing with RL players when they are not being complete d#cks. I completely rage quit Squad because of the jerk unit I got into that had no patience for a new player learning the ropes. It was a miserable experience. A lot of my past MMO playing were with good people with the occasional jerk. So for me if the players are cool in game then I usually enjoy the time. And I'm usually the guy with the negative score due to being capped more then doing any capping myself.
But I agree with all the sentiment about Bots. Occasionally, I do enjoy setting up a game with the bots at a lower aggression level and going around the map feeling mighty OP ;D.
I feel the learning curve would be less in games like squad and hell let loose if they had all the maps with bots so players could practice all the game mechanics.
Quote from: Gusington on December 16, 2022, 11:44:44 AM
^I've been killed within minutes in Tannenberg with just bots too!
I love the ideas and look of Isonzo but I fear it would be pretty much the same. I'll probably pick it up anyway on discount at some point since I can't resist and have always been fascinated by that WWI front.
The graphic fidelity is definitely better in Izonso. The gameplay is slightly different, player movement is faster and feels more fluid, on par with most FPS standards. There's a bit of building stuff like squad / HLL. Overall it's a nice update to the series, but nothing earth shattering. Getting it on sale would be the best bet if your going to casual play with bots.
http://www.grogheads.com/forums/index.php?topic=26710.0#:~:text=I%20feel%20the%20learning%20curve%20would%20be%20less%20in%20games%20like%20squad%20and%20hell%20let%20loose%20if%20they%20had%20all%20the%20maps%20with%20bots%20so%20players%20could%20practice%20all%20the%20game%20mechanics.
Skoop, the developers of Squad and Hell Let Loose just called . . . they want to offer you a job ;D.
That's actually a brilliant idea!
Thanks Skoop - will I get killed just as efficiently in Isonzo?
Quote from: Gusington on December 16, 2022, 09:44:38 AM
'I like big bots and I cannot lie?'
I'll see myself out.
You started a whole thread just for that pun? Respect!
;D
I don't have a problem with bots in FPS games per sae.
I think this thread was started with reference to the thread on WAR OR RIGHTS civil war FPS game.
* Morale - Bots generally don't have morale from what I have seen in other games. A good example is Red Orchestra 2's bots.
* Formations - Bots tend to charge you or form in perfect formations? Now this is not something I am entirely sure of. I just seem to remember in mount and blade warband trying the commander mode and noticing very stale looking uninteresting perfectly formed soldiers. Prussians to the man.
* Bots don't talk to you. Part of the interesting thing in War of Rights is the talking and role playing a lot of the guys do. I am betting a lot of them are re-enactors.
Just knowing that all of the people storming over a bridge are thinking that getting across the other side and forming up is a priority. Knowing they are going to be affected when we start losing men. Knowing they will actually consider retreating if they see too many men get cut down. That they will communicate about their experience and learn from it. That's much better than a bot experience in my book.
(https://i.imgur.com/xZzq2ex.png)
Even in chat here you can see the guys communicating as they get the range on the enemy.
(https://i.imgur.com/BXkDoZQ.png)
The line is not perfect. Men are trying to survive as they fire back currently. Bots would just mill around.
(https://i.imgur.com/DjcUBqP.png)
Quote from: Silent Disapproval Robot on December 15, 2022, 09:44:43 PM
I like having the option of adding some of them into an MP game to flesh out teams. Gives cack-handed flailers like me a chance to get a few kills in a round while still keeping things challenging and unpredictable by having some humies on the other team.
I'd like bots in practice areas in games like HLL. One of the problems in HLL is the roles are pretty fixed and...well if you are me...you have tended to be a "Squad leader (SL)"
(commanding a large fireteam of six actually) too much of the time and you
are really pretty bad with the non-SL weapons like the bazooka or the BAR or machine guns. If I could get some practice by shooting some sneaky bots I might get better someday, maybe.
When I read AI Bots I was thinking the ones used on websites as customer help.....
Quote from: fran on December 18, 2022, 12:58:49 AM
When I read AI Bots I was thinking the ones used on websites as customer help.....
I would love to shoot them, too. :crazy2:
What are bots? Like having the AI play a nation or something?
Quote from: solops on December 18, 2022, 02:40:34 PM
What are bots? Like having the AI play a nation or something?
It's usually with regards to shooter games, but yes - it means having the AI fill in for other players.
I wish I could have AI bots fill in for other humans in most aspects of my life.
You might get what you wish for over the next 10 to 15 years.
If I decide I miss actual people, can I revert?
Quote from: al_infierno on December 18, 2022, 02:23:33 AM
Quote from: fran on December 18, 2022, 12:58:49 AM
When I read AI Bots I was thinking the ones used on websites as customer help.....
I would love to shoot them, too. :crazy2:
Agree!
Side track but the visuals in WAR OR RIGHTS civil war FPS game, looks stunning!
Quote from: Gusington on December 18, 2022, 05:34:52 PM
If I decide I miss actual people, can I revert?
I hear the resell value of used implants is not great....
;D