Round One Fight!
Who would win the following fight and why?
An Imperial Star Destroyer complete with full compliment of Tie-Fighters and Tie-Bombers versus an Imperium of Man Battleship?
The Imperium Battleship of course, for no other reason necessary than it has the Righteous Fury of the God Emperor of Mankind on its side.
Any other answer is heresy.
Space Marines boarding would be omnipotent, not least because there are very few if any 'Force' users in the Empire, but plenty of equivalent users in the Imperium.
Many Ties have no shields. I'm less familiar with Imperium fighters and similar small craft, but I suspect there's a superiority of average quality there. No idea about numerical superiority either way (my loose guess would be a SD.)
I'd have to look up size (which could translated to vulnerability in several different ways), shield, and armaments (number, hitting power, and shot rates) of the two main craft. But I feel pretty sure I recall that Imperium Force-user equivalents can affect how the main ship fights and survives, which is an advantage even Darth Vader doesn't usually grant to a Star Destroyer (though the expanded material may show otherwise) -- but without a sufficient number of Force users on the SD, trained for main ship support, the 40K Imperium should have a big advantage there.
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Good answers guys.
If you do have the time to look into it further I'd like to hear your analysis Jason. :cool:
That's an easy one. Everybody knows the Imperials couldn't hit their own shoes when they take a Pee Pee. The worst duty on a Star Destroyer is Latrine Duty. Because nobody can hit anything. :HideEyes:
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Next up: Who would win? Dick Buckshot vs. Buck Dickshot :tophat: :headscratch: :HideEyes:
Dr. Who enters the chat :evil:
Not sure al, but a, 'Dickshot' is hard to pull-off. Just sayin'. :snipersmilie:
Ok now you're just yankin' my chain.
Well played! :notworthy:
Okay, on scale alone the Impy battleship wins. (Jeez, those guns are as big as Godzilla.) Not sure versus the Executor or other super-class Imperial frames, but then again the better 'Force' access and applications plus VASTLY much better Space Marines boarding options, would necessarily tip the balance in favor of the -erium over the -erials.
'Destroyer' vs Destroyer looks like a better fight.
Having said that, I might give some edge to the Space Battleship Andromeda with two wave motion guns (or the equivalents if that's Macross instead.)
So, 'Bigger' IS better when it comes to Space Battleships. Got it! :wink:
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Why is she wearing a hard hat....Nevermind.
Quote from: JasonPratt on July 03, 2023, 08:04:33 AMOkay, on scale alone the Impy battleship wins. (Jeez, those guns are as big as Godzilla.) Not sure versus the Executor or other super-class Imperial frames, but then again the better 'Force' access and applications plus VASTLY much better Space Marines boarding options, would necessarily tip the balance in favor of the -erium over the -erials.
'Destroyer' vs Destroyer looks like a better fight.
Having said that, I might give some edge to the Space Battleship Andromeda with two wave motion guns (or the equivalents if that's Macross instead.)
That's not even a big Imperial Battleship. Retribution class so it's a baby. If it were facing something like an ISD it wouldn't even waste the ammo, it'd just use its ramming prow to brush it aside.
Imperial Apocalypse Class Battleships could just use their own version of the wave motion gun, the Nova Cannon if it didn't want to get the prow dirty.
Not even going to bother with what the Gloriana Class would do to it.
Don't forget that Imperial Navy ships almost never have Astartes contingents aboard. An Astartes Strike Cruiser with its teleporters would make short work of any SW Imperial Navy ship.
Why is Tom not?
Ok not really a who would win and why but consider this...
Why is a Slaanesh Chaos Cultist usually regarding as pure evil and therefor hated by all but a Sith Lord can be presented as a 'good guy' with misdirected anger? I mean is it not easier to emphasize with a Sith Lord vs. a Chaos Daemon?
I haven't read NEARLY enough of the SW lore to understand the motives of Sith Lords (much less other Dark Side users), but Chaos cultists are trying to bring about the dissolution of all reality into the contradictive insanity of "chaos undivided", a never-ending hellish nightmare, within which they may or may not have some power over other people. That sets an awfully low bar for other evildoers to clear!
Also, Siths can look "usefully" hot; not so much Chaos Lords-and/or-Ladies-and/or-Others. :rolleyes: Shallow, indeed, but Siths can be easier to forgive or tolerate or even want to redeem. Barely anyone wants to pity and reach out to save Chaos cultists.
I'm not well read on either lores, but the specification of Slaanesh cultists makes this an interesting question for me since I'm familiar enough with them to know they're all about earthly pleasure and hedonism. That does make me wonder, for those in the know, how this coalesces with the Chaos Daemons goal for dissolution of all reality.
Does part of "chaos undivided" involve a giant orgy? Because if so, W8 might be onto something that they're not all that bad after all. :grin:
The Eldar could talk to you about that: they're the ones who created Slaanesh as part of a massive sex-and-violence orgy, specifically intending to create a god who would serve those purposes for them forever, but the actual result was a giant black-hole-ish rip in reality called the Eye of Terror and Slaanesh laying claim to every Eldar soul afterward even the ones who weren't part of the orgy plan. Those spirits do not have a good time afterward. On the contrary, the most important reason the Dark Eldar go so hard into destructive and even self-destructive hedonism, is that they're hoping to thus convince Slaanesh to claim them LAST! Not exactly the best selling point for signing up with Slaanesh.
In-universe the four Chaos Gods and their subsidiaries do have some selling points for desperate people looking for short-term fixes, or for prideful people figuring they can ride the alligator rather than be eaten by it -- or ideally they just overwhelm people and populations without giving them anything in return. (Part of the point to identifying psychers asap in the Imperium, aside from feeding them to the Emperor to keep him alive, is that demons can use them to erupt into mundane reality even without permission, so they're like walking nuclear weapons with quasi-random detonation timers.)
I gathered that W8's question was why fans, who know the overarching situation in the lore, tend to regard even Slaanesh Cultists as absolutely evil, but not necessarily Sith Lords (not even counting other Dark Side users).
Yes great catch guys. I choose Slaanish because while they have a plan that sounds appealing they're still wretchedly more evil than any Sith Lord could dream of.
When you tear holes in the fabric of the space time continuum which allows daemons to pour through this dimension that's bad news no matter how sexy the aliens are.
At least Sith Lords are content to limit their evil to causing the extinction of the Jedi. (Which is still evil but only one calorie diet doctor evil compared to Chaos).
he wins.
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^Yup. :RockOn:
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"You have an entry, just like any other sentient being -- "
"Under cause of death."
which one said that? Im reading it in Capaldi's voice.
You are full of correctness! Excelsius or some episode title like that. He's saving Missy's life.
Q: In the Star Wars universe, what is a stormtroopers favorite store to shop at?
A: The one next to Target
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The doors in that store are a little short for a stormtrooper, admittedly. :evil: