He died in the hospital upon arrival, most likely due to the gunshot wound being a pre-existing condition.
https://www.foxnews.com/us/shocking-video-shows-unitedhealthcare-ceo-brian-thompson-gunned-down-nyc-street
Quote from: SpaceGameJunkie on December 04, 2024, 10:07:05 PMQuote from: al_infierno on December 04, 2024, 09:54:06 PMHe died in the hospital
Hope he was in network.
Just another preventable death caused by the broken American healthcare system :cry:
Quote from: al_infierno on December 04, 2024, 10:11:46 PMQuote from: SpaceGameJunkie on December 04, 2024, 10:07:05 PMQuote from: al_infierno on December 04, 2024, 09:54:06 PMHe died in the hospital
Hope he was in network.
Just another preventable death caused by the broken American healthcare system :cry:
If this is a coy way of you suggesting the problem is the firearm, this took place in the most gun restricted city in the world. This was clearly a targeted hit. The assassin had a suppressed firearm that likely caused malfunction with the cycling of the slide. The shooter appeared prepared for this in the video. This was someone with a target and experience. No gun law would have prevented this.
Regardless, you know better. If, on the other hand, I'm wrong about my assumption, I apologize.
Quote from: Jarhead0331 on December 04, 2024, 10:24:01 PMQuote from: al_infierno on December 04, 2024, 10:11:46 PMQuote from: SpaceGameJunkie on December 04, 2024, 10:07:05 PMQuote from: al_infierno on December 04, 2024, 09:54:06 PMHe died in the hospital
Hope he was in network.
Just another preventable death caused by the broken American healthcare system :cry:
If this is a coy way of you suggesting the problem is the firearm, this took place in the most gun restricted city in the world. This was clearly a targeted hit. The assassin had a suppressed firearm that likely caused malfunction with the cycling of the slide. The shooter appeared prepared for this in the video. This was someone with a target and experience. No gun law would have prevented this.
Regardless, you know better. If, on the other hand, I'm wrong about my assumption, I apologize.
No way man, I'm 100% pro-gun. I know I'm generally pretty left leaning, but that's one area where I'm always butting heads with other lefties. I was just saying that if his company didn't regularly make a habit out of screwing people on claims, he might still be alive.
That said, with what you mentioned about how professional the shooter appears, it seems more likely to me this was some kind of corporate hit rather than an angry customer whose grandma died of cancer after having her claim denied or what have you.
EDIT - If anything, this story is a pretty good case for why people should be allowed to arm themselves -- not that he really had a chance to defend himself in this scenario, but you never know.
Quote from: al_infierno on December 04, 2024, 10:28:06 PMQuote from: Jarhead0331 on December 04, 2024, 10:24:01 PMQuote from: al_infierno on December 04, 2024, 10:11:46 PMQuote from: SpaceGameJunkie on December 04, 2024, 10:07:05 PMQuote from: al_infierno on December 04, 2024, 09:54:06 PMHe died in the hospital
Hope he was in network.
Just another preventable death caused by the broken American healthcare system :cry:
If this is a coy way of you suggesting the problem is the firearm, this took place in the most gun restricted city in the world. This was clearly a targeted hit. The assassin had a suppressed firearm that likely caused malfunction with the cycling of the slide. The shooter appeared prepared for this in the video. This was someone with a target and experience. No gun law would have prevented this.
Regardless, you know better. If, on the other hand, I'm wrong about my assumption, I apologize.
No way man, I'm 100% pro-gun. I know I'm generally pretty left leaning, but that's one area where I'm always butting heads with other lefties. I was just saying that if his company didn't regularly make a regular habit out of screwing people on claims, he might still be alive.
That said, with what you mentioned about how professional the shooter appears, it seems more likely to me this was some kind of corporate hit rather than an angry customer whose grandma died of cancer after having her claim denied or what have you.
Gotcha. Yeah...I agree that this was most likely not a disgruntled insured. I mean...you never know, but money, planning, and some level of professionalism makes me think this involved business on a higher level.
United Healthcare is my Medicare provider and I've found them to be very well run, fair in their coverage and extremely easy to deal with. They're not the ones charging over $1000 for a two week supply of Ozempic. Nor are they responsible for having to wait 2-4 months to see a specialist. And after all, they didn't force me to sign-up with them, I made that decision on my own. Like everybody else. This is a terrible tragedy for this man's family and company that he had run very successfully and for only a very short time.
Quote from: Sir Slash on December 04, 2024, 11:25:25 PMThis is a terrible tragedy for this man's family and company that he had run very successfully and for only a very short time.
The company he ran denied hundreds of thousands of claims, including medically necessary and fully covered treatments that were auto-denied by an AI system they continued utilizing even after knowing it was causing false denials of legitimate claims. Compared to how much grief and suffering he caused countless American families who financed his lavish lifestyle, only to watch family members die slow and agonizing deaths while denied coverage, I think I'd probably need a deductible of $1,500 to give a shit about him or his family, who are surely more well off and set up for life than the majority of people who were screwed by his company.
QuoteAnd after all, they didn't force me to sign-up with them, I made that decision on my own.
Dunno what kind of job you work (or worked if you're retired), but in my current role as a contractor for a tech company, I had no choice but United Healthcare or Kaiser. And I'm not a fan of the whole Kaiser exclusivity thing, so that didn't leave me with many choices.
I wonder whether we can have life expectancy stats for the US broken up by health insurance provider.
The same stat between countries doesn't look good for the US.
Quote from: Jarhead0331 on December 04, 2024, 10:29:48 PMGotcha. Yeah...I agree that this was most likely not a disgruntled insured. I mean...you never know, but money, planning, and some level of professionalism makes me think this involved business on a higher level.
Not sure about that... The bullet casings found at the site had words engraved into them: "deny," "defend," and "depose."
Maybe I just watch too many hit man movies...but why would a professional leave a message? Assuming the part about the words is correct.
Those are interesting words BTW. My wife makes me watch British crime shows all the time (and there a alot of those shows...those Brits do love a good murder)...so my well-tuned "murder show" mind is wondering if these words are from some official correspondence related to a claim denial, or lost court case.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/unitedhealthcare-ceo-brian-thompson-shot-dead-gunman-bullet-casings-rcna182975 (https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/unitedhealthcare-ceo-brian-thompson-shot-dead-gunman-bullet-casings-rcna182975)
You guys are like moths to the flame. It's amazing how news with any tangential connection to controversial political issues attracts posts like flies on dog$hit.
We're gamers! Why don't gaming threads ever take over the new post index!? :hair: :ROFL: :cylonA: :judge: :HideEyes:
Quote from: ArizonaTank on December 05, 2024, 08:28:04 AMQuote from: Jarhead0331 on December 04, 2024, 10:29:48 PMGotcha. Yeah...I agree that this was most likely not a disgruntled insured. I mean...you never know, but money, planning, and some level of professionalism makes me think this involved business on a higher level.
Not sure about that... The bullet casings found at the site had words engraved into them: "deny," "defend," and "depose."
Maybe I just watch too many hit man movies...but why would a professional leave a message? Assuming the part about the words is correct.
Hard to say...upon further analysis, some things were also off with respect to his foot placement and arm positioning, as well as the distance between him and the target when firing and some of the post shot maneuvering that could betray a lack of experience/professionalism.
The can and the preparedness for the short cycling initially led me to believe that this was a targeted quasi-professional hit, but now...who knows. :headscratch:
I don't think you need wider conspiracy theories to explain this.
Quote from: Redwolf on December 05, 2024, 10:51:18 AMI don't think you need wider conspiracy theories to explain this.
It is not indulging in conspiracy theories to take a close look at details and to review and analyze the available evidence. Since when is rushing to judgment based purely on speculation and probably a distrust of the health insurance industry a good thing, particularly when it involves murder?
I can only relate my personal experience with United Healthcare. If what al says is true, I'd love to see actual proof here not just personal speculation. And how's the guy walking around not in an orange jumpsuit? If your work only allows coverage by one company that is THAT bad, maybe you should consider working elsewhere. When I worked for the State of Florida, Blue Cross & Blue Shield was our insurer and while they weren't perfect, I was satisfied enough to stay where I was. As a nurse I could've found another job with better insurance if that was what was most important to me. Maybe the tech industry is different. I would think that would be an excellent subject to bring to my Union's or elected representative's attention.
No matter how bad the guy was or was not, murder is not what he deserved.
Hahahaha... "Union." Yeah, that's a good one. I'm gonna go call my Silicon Valley tech industry union.
Elected representative... Yeah, I'm sure ole Gavin Newsom's just a phone call away from stepping up to bat and making a big tech company give me a less exploitative healthcare package.
Slash, it's actually adorable how out of touch and naive you are. Here's a few more pieces of choice reading, but somehow I don't think any of this will convince you what a piece of shit this guy was.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/unitedhealth-lawsuit-ai-deny-claims-medicare-advantage-health-insurance-denials/
https://www.foxbusiness.com/healthcare/unitedhealthcare-ceo-murder-comes-amid-insurance-coverage-controversies
Quotehow's the guy walking around not in an orange jumpsuit?
Why do you think? Because he was ultra wealthy and killed people via paperwork, not a gun.
Quotemurder is not what he deserved.
I agree. He deserved a lot worse.
Listen...this is technically R&P and its clearly crossed that line.
We can't have people suggesting that the murder of Brian Thompson was justified and since this current event is far afield from military and strategic matters I'm going to lock the thread.