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Title: Tank under wraps?
Post by: junk2drive on September 12, 2012, 08:10:03 PM
Here in NW Arizona it is not unusual to see IFVs and other vehicles on flat bed trucks or train loads. I've also spotted the special nuke transports on the less traveled roads. Normally these are uncovered.

Today there were two flatbeds with small tanks, covered in black tarps. About Chaffee size, low profile and medium size gun barrel. I've seen Bradleys and M1s and this wasn't it. Strangest part was the covering. Even the gun barrel.

Is there a new medium tank under development?
Title: Re: Tank under wraps?
Post by: eyebiter on September 12, 2012, 08:18:37 PM
Stryker MGS perhaps?. Did you see tires or treads?  Could you count number of road wheels?
Title: Re: Tank under wraps?
Post by: Staggerwing on September 12, 2012, 08:22:46 PM
Quote from: eyebiter on September 12, 2012, 08:18:37 PM
Stryker MGS perhaps?. Did you see tires or treads?  Could you count number of road wheels?

Look anything like this?

(https://www.grogheads.com/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.military-today.com%2Fartillery%2Fstryker_mgs.jpg&hash=2a919fcacfe60ffaaa296a35fa6153e4404653c5)
Title: Re: Tank under wraps?
Post by: junk2drive on September 12, 2012, 08:32:16 PM
It was tracked and I could see part of the center section which had small rubber tired wheels. The turret was normal shape for a tank, not tall and not long out the rear.
Title: Re: Tank under wraps?
Post by: Staggerwing on September 12, 2012, 08:37:28 PM
Some M551s were modified to act as OPFOR units after the tank itself was withdrawn from service. There could still be a few around:

(https://www.grogheads.com/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fupload.wikimedia.org%2Fwikipedia%2Fcommons%2Fthumb%2F7%2F72%2FM551_Sheridan_vismod_T-80.jpg%2F640px-M551_Sheridan_vismod_T-80.jpg&hash=8c8515458ec9c1335fa78174525162623b112a15)
Title: Re: Tank under wraps?
Post by: LongBlade on September 12, 2012, 10:12:10 PM
Quote from: Staggerwing on September 12, 2012, 08:37:28 PM
Some M551s were modified to act as OPFOR units after the tank itself was withdrawn from service. There could still be a few around:

(https://www.grogheads.com/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fupload.wikimedia.org%2Fwikipedia%2Fcommons%2Fthumb%2F7%2F72%2FM551_Sheridan_vismod_T-80.jpg%2F640px-M551_Sheridan_vismod_T-80.jpg&hash=8c8515458ec9c1335fa78174525162623b112a15)

I would assume you don't depress that gun below the horizon or it runs the chance of putting you in low Earth orbit.
Title: Re: Tank under wraps?
Post by: bayonetbrant on September 13, 2012, 06:21:34 AM
A bunch of details about the Sheridans at Ft Irwin:

The guns are just PVC pipe.  The original gun was the 152mm short-barrel that shot both 'real' ammo and the old Shillelagh missile.  When it fired live ammo, it would rock back 2 road-wheels; couldn't fire on-the-move.  Current M551s have the breach block removed and the MILES gear semi-permanently installed.  When they did the vis-mod to the Sheridan for the OPFOR, they had to lengthen the gun barrels, so they bolted on some PVC pipe over the old barrel housing.

Some of them have thermal sights when they shipped the former 3-73 AR vehicles there from Ft Bragg when they inactivated that unit.  That was the last operational M551 unit, and it was closed down in the mid-90s.
They are NOT operational vehicles.  They're only there to play OPFOR for units training there.

There are more than "a few" around.  There's about 180 or so at Ft Irwin, though a bunch of those are just parked right now until another one breaks.

FYI, that one above is D/1-11 ACR, 2d platoon leader.  The bumper numbers on the side ID them all  :D
Title: Re: Tank under wraps?
Post by: bayonetbrant on September 13, 2012, 06:23:23 AM
Quote from: junk2drive on September 12, 2012, 08:10:03 PMToday there were two flatbeds with small tanks, covered in black tarps. About Chaffee size, low profile and medium size gun barrel. I've seen Bradleys and M1s and this wasn't it. Strangest part was the covering. Even the gun barrel.

could've also been a Russian tank being hauled to a range to be shot at for testing.
Title: Re: Tank under wraps?
Post by: MIGMaster on September 13, 2012, 07:43:57 AM
I ownder if it was one of the prototypes for the various vehicles being fielded for the Close Combat Vehicle competition here in Canada ? Some of the companies involved are US firms  and some of the CCV's look like low-profile tanks ??????
Title: Re: Tank under wraps?
Post by: junk2drive on September 13, 2012, 08:06:51 AM
I only got a quick glance at the road wheels as I was driving past but they seemed to be 1-2 feet diameter. Wish I would have had a better look.

I tried looking around global security .org but it wanted me to register.
Title: Re: Tank under wraps?
Post by: bayonetbrant on September 13, 2012, 08:50:37 AM
take a look at www.army-technology.com and see if there's something relevant over there

they cover a lot of prototype stuff, too, where companies are building one-offs in the hope of finding a buyer.
Title: Re: Tank under wraps?
Post by: MIGMaster on September 13, 2012, 09:06:28 AM
Here's one of the contenders and one that decided not to enter but is looking for other markets:

(https://www.grogheads.com/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fmedia.defenseindustrydaily.com%2Fimages%2FLAND_CV90_Norwegian_Afghanistan_Rubber_Tracks_lg.jpg&hash=0730eb43ca80317c1a0c58190829760341e442fe)

(https://www.grogheads.com/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fmedia.defenseindustrydaily.com%2Fimages%2FLAND_Puma_IFV_Rear_Open_lg.jpg&hash=5ed6f5922efc14ea9f1462e6c6b4130fbde411fd)
Title: Re: Tank under wraps?
Post by: Staggerwing on September 13, 2012, 06:20:44 PM
^That mantlet looks like it was inspired by the Panther.
Title: Re: Tank under wraps?
Post by: MIGMaster on September 13, 2012, 09:07:05 PM
Good eye Dude !
Title: Re: Tank under wraps?
Post by: LongBlade on September 13, 2012, 09:26:33 PM
Quote from: Staggerwing on September 13, 2012, 06:20:44 PM
^That mantlet looks like it was inspired by the Panther.

Reminds me of the failed Porsche turret on the King Tiger.
Title: Re: Tank under wraps?
Post by: Staggerwing on September 13, 2012, 09:35:09 PM
That too...
Title: Re: Tank under wraps?
Post by: junk2drive on September 14, 2012, 08:46:51 PM
So I posted about mystery tanks. I search globalsecurity. I try to think of where they are going around here. Trying to remember bases in Arizona, I mapquest Fort Huachuca. Nope, too far South. There is one on I-40 with mounds of ammo. I move mapquest around and find Fort Wingate. Zoom in and look around.

Next morning the govt test fires a missile from Ft Wingate and White Sands.

I expect the black SUVs to be circling me soon... again...
Title: Re: Tank under wraps?
Post by: LongBlade on September 15, 2012, 12:15:46 PM
Quote from: junk2drive on September 14, 2012, 08:46:51 PM
So I posted about mystery tanks. I search globalsecurity. I try to think of where they are going around here. Trying to remember bases in Arizona, I mapquest Fort Huachuca. Nope, too far South. There is one on I-40 with mounds of ammo. I move mapquest around and find Fort Wingate. Zoom in and look around.

Next morning the govt test fires a missile from Ft Wingate and White Sands.

I expect the black SUVs to be circling me soon... again...

Heh.