Good article from BBC:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-17026538
In a way, I miss the security of Mutually Assured Destruction. With the rise of religiously influenced whackjobs as well as nutty regimes like Iran who are working hard to get The Bomb, I would give anything to go back to the days of the Evil Empire. I agree with the article when it states that there was more stability then.
The 'slippery slope' the world appears headed down, the idea of a limited nuclear exchange and regional arms races, as well as nuclear terrorism...makes my head spin.
Yeah - it was a bit more simple too - there were just two players NATO - Warsaw Pact. It was good clean terror. None of this asymmetrical shit !
It's amazing how much it influenced our cultures - I know it sounds weird but I'm kinda glad I grew up in that era !
It gives you stories to tell your kids, and grandkids.
I don't miss the fear and sleepless nights (thank you 'The Day After'), but I did miss the opportunity to get a posting to Germany.
For you yungin's:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Day_After
^There was a letter campaign in my elementary school when The Day After came out strongly urging parents of young kids to not let them watch. To this day I have not seen it! I was 8-9 when it was released.
Quote from: Gusington on February 16, 2012, 12:07:33 PM
^There was a letter campaign in my elementary school when The Day After came out strongly urging parents of young kids to not let them watch. To this day I have not seen it! I was 8-9 when it was released.
It frightened the crap out of me.
Quote from: Centurion40 on February 16, 2012, 12:11:54 PM
Quote from: Gusington on February 16, 2012, 12:07:33 PM
^There was a letter campaign in my elementary school when The Day After came out strongly urging parents of young kids to not let them watch. To this day I have not seen it! I was 8-9 when it was released.
It frightened the crap out of me.
Ditto! :o
^Maybe I'm better off for not having seen it at 8. I think I can handle it now though. Maybe.
Quote from: Gusington on February 16, 2012, 12:29:41 PM
^Maybe I'm better off for not having seen it at 8. I think I can handle it now though. Maybe.
And now that it's not likely to go down like that.
I don't know...does it really matter, if you're being nuked, how it's delivered? We're all toast in the end.
Maybe... but the part that really scared me was the way a seemingly small thing in Europe rapidly spun completely out of control in a couple of days and ended everything.... I was 18 and it really hit home how MAD worked ... and then suddenly didn't. :o
Quote from: Gusington on February 16, 2012, 12:45:52 PM
I don't know...does it really matter, if you're being nuked, how it's delivered? We're all toast in the end.
Maybe. The good folks of Hiroshima and Nagasaki seem to be faring well these days, despite fears that a nuke site would be uninhabitable for centuries. And then when you think of the thousands of nuke test firings that have occurred in the 20th century... well, we're still around. ???
You know, I'm at the age where I'd be more likely to sit on my roof and watch the show, rather than hide in the basement and hope that I'll survive it all. Weird.
What the radicals are eventually going to get isn't MAD but rather SIAD - Self-Inflicted Assured Destruction.
They will regrettably eventually cross a line that no one will tolerate.
Then they will come to know first-hand the meaning of nuclear winter. Preferably we'll just use neutron bombs so as not to have the fallout.
The survivors can then pick up the rocks and start flinging them at each other, as they have done since time began.
Quote from: LongBlade on February 16, 2012, 01:15:32 PM
What the radicals are eventually going to get isn't MAD but rather SIAD - Self-Inflicted Assured Destruction.
They will regrettably eventually cross a line that no one will tolerate.
Then they will come to know first-hand the meaning of nuclear winter. Preferably we'll just use neutron bombs so as not to have the fallout.
The survivors can then pick up the rocks and start flinging them at each other, as they have done since time began.
We've You've got a handful of neutrons??!!
Why wait? The Mid East could use an enema. ;)
Quote from: LongBlade on February 16, 2012, 01:15:32 PM
Preferably we'll just use neutron bombs so as not to have the fallout.
Do we actually have any Neutron bombs in our bag o' tricks to spank any chuckleheads with?
Quote from: Centurion40 on February 16, 2012, 01:22:08 PM
Quote from: LongBlade on February 16, 2012, 01:15:32 PM
What the radicals are eventually going to get isn't MAD but rather SIAD - Self-Inflicted Assured Destruction.
They will regrettably eventually cross a line that no one will tolerate.
Then they will come to know first-hand the meaning of nuclear winter. Preferably we'll just use neutron bombs so as not to have the fallout.
The survivors can then pick up the rocks and start flinging them at each other, as they have done since time began.
We've You've got a handful of neutrons??!!
Why wait? The Mid East could use an enema. ;)
I don't know if we do or not, but in the Way Back When machine in my brain I seem to remember a discussion in the news about them. If we made them 20 years ago, we should be able to make them again.
For large strikes I suppose nukes would be the weapon of choice, but conventional ordinance may be the practical way to go if you are attempting to eradicate without irradiating. Fuel air explosives and MOAB's seem to have some potential in this area. The problem with MOAB's may be delivery - based on how the scenario goes down.
Well, I don't do this for a living so I really don't know jack.
All I can say is that I'm afraid that if things continue on their present course the bad guys will eventually trigger a self-inflicted extinction event.
I don't see them changing course. I hope I'm wrong.
I dunno. The thought neutrons is appealing somehow. It would really get into the crevices, you know?
Quote from: LongBlade on February 16, 2012, 01:41:52 PM
Well, I don't do this for a living so I really don't know jack.
All I can say is that I'm afraid that if things continue on their present course the bad guys will eventually trigger a self-inflicted extinction event.
I don't see them changing course. I hope I'm wrong.
Well let's face it, if sane common-sense was widespread over there, a lot of the horrors would never have happened.
Quote from: LongBlade on February 16, 2012, 01:37:34 PM
I don't know if we do or not, but in the Way Back When machine in my brain I seem to remember a discussion in the news about them. If we made them 20 years ago, we should be able to make them again.
I thought the N-bomb got nixed during the early 80's. I'll try a quick google chop:
QuoteThree types of ERW were built by the United States.[8] The W66 warhead, for the anti-ICBM Sprint missile system, was deployed in 1975 and retired the next year, along with the missile system. The W70 Mod 3 warhead was developed for the short-range, tactical Lance missile, and the W79 Mod 0 was developed for artillery shells. The latter two types were retired by President George H. W. Bush in 1992, following the end of the Cold War.[9][10] The last W70 Mod 3 warhead was dismantled in 1996,[11] and the last W79 Mod 0 was dismantled by 2003, when the dismantling of all W79 variants was completed.[12]
Besides the United States and Soviet Union, France and China are understood to have tested neutron or enhanced radiation bombs in the past, with France apparently leading the field with an early test of the technology in 1967[13] and an "actual" neutron bomb in 1980.[14] The 1999 Cox Report indicates that China is able to produce neutron bombs,[15] although no country is currently known to deploy them.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neutron_bomb#Use_of_neutron_bomb
Quote from: Centurion40 on February 16, 2012, 01:00:55 PM
Quote from: Gusington on February 16, 2012, 12:45:52 PM
I don't know...does it really matter, if you're being nuked, how it's delivered? We're all toast in the end.
Maybe. The good folks of Hiroshima and Nagasaki seem to be faring well these days, despite fears that a nuke site would be uninhabitable for centuries. And then when you think of the thousands of nuke test firings that have occurred in the 20th century... well, we're still around. ???
You know, I'm at the age where I'd be more likely to sit on my roof and watch the show, rather than hide in the basement and hope that I'll survive it all. Weird.
You'd get a good show with traks on targets across the Bay of Fundy, until some smaller secondary strike takes out your harbour. Those that argue it wouldn't get a hit don't know geography
Quote from: Staggerwing on February 16, 2012, 01:44:11 PM
Quote from: LongBlade on February 16, 2012, 01:37:34 PM
I don't know if we do or not, but in the Way Back When machine in my brain I seem to remember a discussion in the news about them. If we made them 20 years ago, we should be able to make them again.
I thought the N-bomb got nixed during the early 80's. I'll try a quick google chop.
I think it did, but I'm thinking it's time to bring sexy back.
Yep. I edited my post above. ^^^
Quote from: LongBlade on February 16, 2012, 01:37:34 PM
Quote from: Centurion40 on February 16, 2012, 01:22:08 PM
Quote from: LongBlade on February 16, 2012, 01:15:32 PM
What the radicals are eventually going to get isn't MAD but rather SIAD - Self-Inflicted Assured Destruction.
They will regrettably eventually cross a line that no one will tolerate.
Then they will come to know first-hand the meaning of nuclear winter. Preferably we'll just use neutron bombs so as not to have the fallout.
The survivors can then pick up the rocks and start flinging them at each other, as they have done since time began.
We've You've got a handful of neutrons??!!
Why wait? The Mid East could use an enema. ;)
I don't know if we do or not, but in the Way Back When machine in my brain I seem to remember a discussion in the news about them. If we made them 20 years ago, we should be able to make them again.
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... slap together a neutron bomb from spare H-bomb parts lying around
Quote from: Windigo on February 16, 2012, 01:47:38 PM
Quote from: Centurion40 on February 16, 2012, 01:00:55 PM
Quote from: Gusington on February 16, 2012, 12:45:52 PM
I don't know...does it really matter, if you're being nuked, how it's delivered? We're all toast in the end.
Maybe. The good folks of Hiroshima and Nagasaki seem to be faring well these days, despite fears that a nuke site would be uninhabitable for centuries. And then when you think of the thousands of nuke test firings that have occurred in the 20th century... well, we're still around. ???
You know, I'm at the age where I'd be more likely to sit on my roof and watch the show, rather than hide in the basement and hope that I'll survive it all. Weird.
You'd get a good show with traks on targets across the Bay of Fundy, until some smaller secondary strike takes out your harbour. Those that argue it wouldn't get a hit don't know geography
'parently the Russkies have Halifax well targeted. ICBMs and SLBMs. If I'm at work and it hits, vaporization will be instant. If I'm a home, unless they hit Bedford Basin, it will be a lingering death. I'd prefer vapour.
Now-now! Didn't Christopher Lloyd make a bomb out of old pinball machine parts?
@40Cent,
not sure just how many SLBM's the Ruskies have left....
Quote from: Windigo on February 16, 2012, 01:54:38 PM
@40Cent,
not sure just how many SLBM's the Ruskies have left....
Yeah, I posted an article where they tried to burn one of their subs to the waterline just last year...
Ultimately, I'm not even worried about Ruskie ICBMs, to be honest.
The way this thread is going I am going to start duck and cover drills at home. Everything old is new again! Why can't we just go even further back and decide things with dreadnoughts? So much more civilized.
@ 40cent Does the targeting info impact upon your property assessment at all ? Of course, Peter Kelly could fick that up as well !!!!
lol.
And here I was thinking Halifax might be a good retirement spot for the cheaper land. Do the Ruskies have Vancouver targeted too or just Victoria?
Quote from: Mr. Bigglesworth on February 16, 2012, 02:38:57 PM
lol.
And here I was thinking Halifax might be a good retirement spot for the cheaper land. Do the Ruskies have Vancouver targeted too or just Victoria?
Cheaper land!!! :o For crissake Bigglesworth, what do you consider "cheap"? Still, there are some nice spots on the coast outside of the city....
www.mls.ca
Why would Russia target cute cuddly Canada anyway? Vicious bastards.
Quote from: Centurion40 on February 16, 2012, 02:41:58 PM
Quote from: Mr. Bigglesworth on February 16, 2012, 02:38:57 PM
lol.
And here I was thinking Halifax might be a good retirement spot for the cheaper land. Do the Ruskies have Vancouver targeted too or just Victoria?
Cheaper land!!! :o For crissake Bigglesworth, what do you consider "cheap"? Still, there are some nice spots on the coast outside of the city....
www.mls.ca
Surely there's plenty of cheap land in Montana that isn't targeted by the Russians, and allows us to enjoy the full Bill of Rights.
Not that I have plans to move to the middle of nowhere, but I'm thinking you can have the best of both worlds. (not to invoke the ghost of Miley Cyrus or anything).
Miley schmiley....
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/ciencia/ciencia_uranium40.htm
Woooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo,
my god Harley has a twin
WTF is that?
Quote from: LongBlade on February 16, 2012, 02:54:22 PM
WTF is that?
proof that people should still wear tinfoil hats??
What a nut job! ::)
well and i hoped this would be a thread about Mad magazine.
Me too!
Quote from: LongBlade on February 16, 2012, 02:54:22 PM
WTF is that?
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^It could be about Mad magazine, just post about it.
BTW I met Al Jaffee once, he came to my school to draw sketches for us.
He hated duck and cover drills.
Quote from: Keunert on February 16, 2012, 03:00:05 PM
well and i hoped this would be a thread about Mad magazine.
So did I... so did I.
FWIW, I remember The Day After. That part with the orange hits you like a brick. I still remember the music!