*rant*
Over time it seems things get dumbed down.
I was watching a film not that long ago from my youth. It was an 18. Recently my daughter wanted to watch a film - I read reviews and comments about it. It had gratuitous sex (admittedly not hardcore), bad language, use of controlled substances - and it was a 12. I'm not necessarily saying the film I watched in my youth was worthy of an 18, my point is more to do with the more recent movie being a 12!
With the advent of Facebook, people leave themselves logged in, someone else types details on their page and it's called "fraped". I'm rather disgusted that I see the word rape used so easily. It's a heinous crime and worthy of having it's own word - and using that word for "other means" (and benial means) seems to somewhat weaken the word and the crime. The same as the use of the c word. There are young girls where I work (my work is full of school leavers because it is "that kind of job")...and they are ALWAYS using it. I asked one of them not to the other week when we were out drinking - she had been throwing it about like it was a normal word - and not quietly - and her re torte was along the lines of "I have one - why shouldn't I use it?" (clever - but not the answer I was expecting).
I know they're only words - and perhaps we shouldn't be hung up on them. But those two specific words are really quite vile to me - but I am seeing them used in every day life more and more. I am not against swearing per se. Sometimes you need a good swear word to get your f***ing point across. But it seems to be certain words which were always generally avoided (in the circles I moved anyway - and I was in the army) are used as a matter of course.
The volume these people use these words too is alarming. Like no-one has any respect for anyone else around them.
As for films - I have absolutely NO IDEA what has happened to the certification system. I was watching a film a couple of weeks ago with my kids (it was a 12) and this woman was seducing a man. She had him up against the wall and slid down his body. You didn't see anything - but it was very clear what was being implied! I'm not saying the film I watched in my youth was worthy of an 18. In fact, I agree that was an over-exaggerated rating - but like most things, the pendulum seems to have swung the other way!
*rant*
We've (not us specifically!) talked about dumbing down of games over the years - but what about dumbing down of values?
I wouldn't call it dumbing down so much as a coarsening of culture. It's one of the downsides of a deregulated media market that caters to the demands of the majority. Doesn't speak we'll of the majority of the populace to see that channels like TLC and History have gone from showing fairly scholarly documentaries 15 years ago to shows like Honey Boo Boo and Ancient Aliens because that's what the masses would rather see.
There's also more people now so with that, naturally, come more idiots.
Quote from: Gusington on January 08, 2013, 08:22:55 AM
There's also more people now so with that, naturally, come more idiots.
There should be a nationally agreed level of stupidity acceptance, those who come below the level should be sterilised, and sent to their own island, or Wales (although every time i speak to a Welsh person i think this program has already been instigated)
(except Huw, Huw's an honorary Englishman)
Keep the consumers at a constant level of high emotion - fear, anxiety, violence, or sexual tension. Makes them more impulsive and less likely to think twice before buying...
Is Wales really that bad? Like the Ndw Jersey of the UK? I am about to win a glorious victory with the Welsh in my Britannia campaign.
I love the Welsh. Many great accomplices have originated from there - and a couple of great pals.
Looks like you will have to challenge Geek to fisticuffs at dawn.
But Gus - I'm a lover not a fighter! ;D
*edited to get Gus's name spelt right!!*
Quote from: JudgeDredd on January 08, 2013, 11:03:53 AM
But Guds - I'm a lover not a fighter! ;D
lmao - i have to be careful cos i love the Huw but god help me they do need a bit of help, you know, breathing and standing up at the same time
i think its the lack of vowels
Maybe Wales and New Jersey can unite and form their own union.
certainly visiting each other's realms should be no problem.
On a standard map, they are only about six inches apart, the Welsh can just step across, and the Jerseyites do a hopscotch.
That is one of the real problems of North Am. Except for a few names like Price or Morgan or Jones
you never know who should be Welsh or who is secretly Welsh and pretending to be normal.
To the uneducated or those deaf to accent a Welshman is the same as an Irishman.
I knew a guy who thought he was English but his mother was Welsh. Really.
I'm waiting for Huw to invoke the power of the druids.
Wales, especially North Wales, the Snowdonia National Park and the Cambrian coast, is a beutiful place - except for Angelsey - which is as flat as a fart.
Apparently my great-grandfather Watkins was a Welshman.
Judge I agree with you on the devaluing of values in today's society. In fact values appear to not be taught at all from what I see on a day to day basis.
I don't know why society is devolving the way it is today, but it is devolving. Curse those who say live and do what you want and what makes you feel good because at it's extreme we enter anarchy. Maybe there is no room anymore for old fashioned thinkers like us. I've been feeling kind of sad lately and that there is no point in trying to fight it.
So I try to raise my kids the way I was raised and hope for the best. At least no spawn of mine will contribute to society's decay. That's my goal.
I'm told there was some Welsh in my blood from way back. Not much, but there ya have it.
Quote from: W8taminute on January 10, 2013, 03:49:40 PM
...So I try to raise my kids the way I was raised and hope for the best. At least no spawn of mine will contribute to society's decay. That's my goal.
It's all we can do. I bring them up as I was brought up and hope my values stick and the values other kids are taught (or not) do not rub off on my kids.
Thankfully - my kids seem to be heading on the right path.
Just don't raise your kids to be Welsh.
I know a Welsh girl. She has a soft mountainous exterior
and a warm wet interior.
Does she keep a welcome in the hillside, a welcome in the vale?
Quote from: bob48 on January 10, 2013, 02:56:40 PM
I'm waiting for Huw to invoke the power of the druids.
Wales, especially North Wales, the Snowdonia National Park and the Cambrian coast, is a beutiful place - except for Angelsey - which is as flat as a fart.
oh tis a beautiful place theres no denying that, its just that, you know................
............its full of Welsh people!!!
I only mentioned the scenery, Geek. ;)
I did not Like Moby Dick.
But Wales is another story.
Davey Jones locker fits in here somewhere but I don't know where.
Flat as a fart is pretty damned flat. By the by, I am just about to win my Britannia campaign in M2TW...as Wales.
I did that once and my King got assassinated in London.
They apparently don't like Welshmen there either.
I am four regions away from declaring my Pax Welshanica. But the Irish are well...being the Irish. In a brawl who would you rather fight, a Scotsman or an Irishman?
Depends. What's my goal? Am I English and/or of English decent?
You are Welsh, of course. Your goal is to be the last man standing.
He is Klingon. A Klingon who hate de site o'blood. rrrrrr.
Quote from: Longdan on January 11, 2013, 03:23:38 PM
He is Klingon. A Klingon who hate de site o'blood. rrrrrr.
Not blood. Just spiders. He has blood pudding for
breakfast. And maybe waffles n' OJ.
Quote from: Silent Disapproval Robot on January 08, 2013, 07:46:13 AM
I wouldn't call it dumbing down so much as a coarsening of culture. It's one of the downsides of a deregulated media market that caters to the demands of the majority. Doesn't speak we'll of the majority of the populace to see that channels like TLC and History have gone from showing fairly scholarly documentaries 15 years ago to shows like Honey Boo Boo and Ancient Aliens because that's what the masses would rather see.
Is it really the case? What if they try to convert the bright lights to drooling imbeciles?
A new conspiracy theory is born!
[B/W Frankenstein set] It's alive!
When they started showing JAG on History channel my TV went the way of the dinosaur.
Not even for half-Iranian Catherine Bell dressed up as the cutest little Marine ever.
Gone. No more TV.
Quote from: Gusington on January 11, 2013, 02:27:55 PM
You are Welsh, of course. Your goal is to be the last man standing.
Then go for the Irish. I'd sooner fight on the rolling hills & plains of Eire than the Scottish highlands!
Also, if Medieval 2 is even remotely like the first MTW, Scottish lands probably aren't that great for income.
Quote from: Staggerwing on January 11, 2013, 10:19:26 PM
Quote from: Longdan on January 11, 2013, 03:23:38 PM
He is Klingon. A Klingon who hate de site o'blood. rrrrrr.
Not blood. Just spiders. He has blood pudding for breakfast. And maybe waffles n' OJ.
You're damn right, sir. ;D
Rolling plains? Try bogs. They don't call us bogtrotters for nothing.
I took on both the Irish and the Scots and won the campaign yesterday. Kneel nefore my Welshosity.
Quote from: Martok on January 11, 2013, 02:17:42 PM
Depends. What's my goal? Am I English and/or of English decent?
The other factor is alcohol. I am lead to believe that the Welsh can scrap better at higher levels of intoxication. The problem is that most people cannot stand, let alone swing a punch, at those extreme levels of intoxication.
Quote from: Centurion40 on January 14, 2013, 09:08:49 AM
Quote from: Martok on January 11, 2013, 02:17:42 PM
Depends. What's my goal? Am I English and/or of English decent?
The other factor is alcohol. I am lead to believe that the Welsh can scrap better at higher levels of intoxication. The problem is that most people cannot stand, let alone swing a punch, at those extreme levels of intoxication.
i think thats scots and irish
you wont even get welsh in a pub unless theres singing about mines, and sheep
The intro to the Charlotte Church Show taught me that drunken fighting is a common Welsh thing. That said, common does not necessarily = excellence.
Quote from: Gusington on January 14, 2013, 08:55:42 AM
I took on both the Irish and the Scots and won the campaign yesterday. Kneel nefore my Welshosity.
Sweet! So did you take them one at a time, or both at once?
Quote from: Centurion40 on January 14, 2013, 09:19:53 AM
The intro to the Charlotte Church Show taught me that drunken fighting is a common Welsh thing. That said, common does not necessarily = excellence.
That's a fairly brave confession right there!
What, that I've seen the Charlotte Church Show a couple of times??!! Hey, I spent a few days in jolly ole London town back in 2006. TV in the hotel had all of 6 channels. It was the best thing on the telly at the time.
six? six? you should be so lucky - when i were a lad all we had to watch was 1 channel, in the middle of the road!
And, if you were the youngest, you had to stand on an orange box holding the ariel to get a signal....
...and you try tellin' the kids of today than, and they won't beleive you >:(
Quote from: undercovergeek on January 14, 2013, 02:41:42 PM
six? six? you should be so lucky - when i were a lad all we had to watch was 1 channel, in the middle of the road!
Well, it was the big city after all!
Quote from: Centurion40 on January 14, 2013, 02:59:29 PM
Quote from: undercovergeek on January 14, 2013, 02:41:42 PM
six? six? you should be so lucky - when i were a lad all we had to watch was 1 channel, in the middle of the road!
Well, it was the big city after all!
Gerroff - it was Leeds! They had to knock most of it down to buid a slum!
Quote from: bob48 on January 14, 2013, 02:51:55 PM
And, if you were the youngest, you had to stand on an orange box holding the ariel to get a signal....
...and you try tellin' the kids of today than, and they won't beleive you >:(
When I was kid, we had 4 channels (in Montreal), then 2 when we moved to Nova Scotia; the CBC and an independent CTV affiliate. Then CBC French appeared, but people (except for Habs fans) only watched it on Saturday nights for the racy movies. Then, around the time that I was 9, a new independent appeared, a Global affiliate, and it was wonderful. About a year later, cable TV arrived, bringing a whopping 13 channels (including 4 US networks: ABC, CBS, NBC & PBS)!! It was TV heaven! After that, I've lost count.
My grandmother had cable in her small town. We lived in a larger town with only three channels. It blew my mind when I found an episode of Space 1999 on her TV. I still don't think I ever got a proper explanation as to why her smaller town had better channels than us.
Took on both the Irish and Scots at the same time :)
I remember when the TV was delivered in 1958. Until then I thought the only TV was at Grampa's house.
I could never figure out how there could be the same TV show on at both houses! Then we moved to
The States for a while and we had eleven channels!! WTF!! Saturday morning cartoons!!
Life was never the same. Until French CBC and adult fare as Cent remembered. At one in the afternoon!
Not goin to work today!! Kids these days.
Quote from: Gusington on January 14, 2013, 03:47:29 PM
Took on both the Irish and Scots at the same time :)
You, sir, are nuts! Well done. 8)
Gus - you know no fear!
^^Think I'll play that for a while now.
Quote from: undercovergeek on January 14, 2013, 02:41:42 PM
six? six? you should be so lucky - when i were a lad all we had to watch was 1 channel, in the middle of the road!
Hah. When I was a lad, all we had was endless Punch and Judy reruns. In the rain.
(https://www.grogheads.com/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fupload.wikimedia.org%2Fwikipedia%2Fcommons%2Fthumb%2Fc%2Fca%2FSwanage_Punch_%2526_Judy.JPG%2F220px-Swanage_Punch_%2526_Judy.JPG&hash=08b059469629c964ee23d18b7e69795311f3e2c6)
We had to act it out ourselves before the TV.
In the snow.
over to the professionals:-
FOURTH YORKSHIREMAN:
I was happier then and I had nothin'. We used to live in this tiny old house with great big holes in the roof.
SECOND YORKSHIREMAN:
House! You were lucky to live in a house! We used to live in one room, all twenty-six of us, no furniture, 'alf the floor was missing, and we were all 'uddled together in one corner for fear of falling.
THIRD YORKSHIREMAN:
Eh, you were lucky to have a room! We used to have to live in t' corridor!
FIRST YORKSHIREMAN:
Oh, we used to dream of livin' in a corridor! Would ha' been a palace to us. We used to live in an old water tank on a rubbish tip. We got woke up every morning by having a load of rotting fish dumped all over us! House? Huh.
FOURTH YORKSHIREMAN:
Well, when I say 'house' it was only a hole in the ground covered by a sheet of tarpaulin, but it was a house to us.
SECOND YORKSHIREMAN:
We were evicted from our 'ole in the ground; we 'ad to go and live in a lake.
THIRD YORKSHIREMAN:
You were lucky to have a lake! There were a hundred and fifty of us living in t' shoebox in t' middle o' road.
^
"Luxury! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xe1a1wHxTyo)"
I've had cable tv since 1978. At least thirty channels since then.
its a beautiful thing, and as a Yorkshireman so, so true
On a side note i feel cheated, on that link is another link to meet Rebecca, a buxom over fifty year old who wants me to join mature dating .com and she is ready for a shag tonight and only lives 3 miles away - thing is at work this morning (40 miles away) she was on another site and still only lived 3 miles away - and i thought i was special!!!
unless theres two:-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xZhQpyr2FBw
Quote from: undercovergeek on January 14, 2013, 06:48:41 PM
over to the professionals:-
FOURTH YORKSHIREMAN:
I was happier then and I had nothin'. We used to live in this tiny old house with great big holes in the roof.
SECOND YORKSHIREMAN:
House! You were lucky to live in a house! We used to live in one room, all twenty-six of us, no furniture, 'alf the floor was missing, and we were all 'uddled together in one corner for fear of falling.
THIRD YORKSHIREMAN:
Eh, you were lucky to have a room! We used to have to live in t' corridor!
FIRST YORKSHIREMAN:
Oh, we used to dream of livin' in a corridor! Would ha' been a palace to us. We used to live in an old water tank on a rubbish tip. We got woke up every morning by having a load of rotting fish dumped all over us! House? Huh.
FOURTH YORKSHIREMAN:
Well, when I say 'house' it was only a hole in the ground covered by a sheet of tarpaulin, but it was a house to us.
SECOND YORKSHIREMAN:
We were evicted from our 'ole in the ground; we 'ad to go and live in a lake.
THIRD YORKSHIREMAN:
You were lucky to have a lake! There were a hundred and fifty of us living in t' shoebox in t' middle o' road.
Shoebox! They were LUCKY to have a shoebox. Our whole town lived in a coal heap in the middle of a bog.
The Welsh needed some respect you know? It was kind of awesome seeing 2/3 the map of the UK a briny green under Welsh rule. But satisfying.
"When I was a lad, we had too eat a pound of poison every day!" - Marty Feldman.
At least you had something to eat.
Quote from: Gusington on January 14, 2013, 09:07:29 PM
The Welsh needed some respect you know? It was kind of awesome seeing 2/3 the map of the UK a briny green under Welsh rule. But satisfying.
Well it's more than I've ever done. Even in the original MTW Viking Invasion campaign, I never have won playing as the Welsh. (Indeed, the only Celtic faction I've beat that campaign with has been as the Irish.)
This campaign was not a tough one, I won it in under 100 turns. The only easier one that I recall is the Crusades campaign which I won in about 25 turns as the Egyptians.