Link (http://www.cnn.com/2013/02/03/world/europe/richard-iii-search-announcement/index.html)
Cool story. I'm always fascinated when they find a piece of history like this.
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DNA tests have confirmed that human remains found buried beneath an English car park are those of the country's King Richard III.
British scientists announced Monday they are convinced "beyond reasonable doubt" that a skeleton found during an archaeological dig in Leicester, central England, last August is that of the former king, who was killed at the Battle of Bosworth Field in 1485.
Mitochondrial DNA extracted from the bones was matched to Michael Ibsen, a Canadian cabinetmaker and direct descendant of Richard III's sister, Anne of York.
Experts say other evidence -- including battle wounds and signs of scoliosis, or curvature of the spine, found during the search and the more than four months of tests since support the DNA findings.
The skeleton was discovered buried among the remains of what was once the city's Greyfriars friary, but is now a council car park.
Richard III's remains will be reburied in Leicester Cathedral, close to the site of his original grave, in a memorial service expected to be held early next year, once analysis of the bones is completed.
Read more: Richard III: The king and the car park?
Archaeologists say the man they found appears to have met a violent death: There is evidence of a severe blow to the skull, and an arrowhead was found among the skeleton's vertebrae.
Investigators from the University of Leicester had been examining the remains for months. Others got their first glimpse of the battle-scarred skull that may have once worn the English crown early Monday when the university released a photograph ahead of its announcement.
"The skull was in good condition, although fragile, and was able to give us detailed information," said Jo Appleby, a lecturer in human bioarchaeology at the university who led the exhumation of the remains last year.
Supporters of the infamous king, including members of the Richard III Society, hoped the discovery would force academics to rewrite history, which they say has been tainted by exaggerations and false claims.
Screenwriter Philippa Langley, who championed the search for several years, told CNN she wanted "the establishment to look again at his story," saying she wanted to uncover the truth about "the real Richard, before the Tudor writers got to him."
"The trouble is we judge Richard by a pseudo-Victorian values system, but we judge others in the context of their time," she said.
"He was a medieval man. If you put him back into the 15th century, he's exactly as the others are -- princes, dukes, nobles, they're all doing exactly the same things, and he's better than some."
Wild! Thanks for the post.
Thanks for sharing, Martok.
I wonder if Richard III was the person responsible for the deaths of his nephews Edward V and his brother Richard (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Princes_in_the_Tower), Duke of York. Hopefully science will someday solve that mystery.
Cool story thanks for sharing.
http://www.tcm.com/mediaroom/video/474365/Goodbye-Girl-The-Movie-Clip-Don-t-Give-Me-Bette-Midler.html
That is interesting. I am curious as to how he investigation was brought to the parking lot in the first place.
Somebody posted this on Fark back last year. Fans of Blackadder will recognize the quote.
http://m.fark.com/comments/7323237/Blackadder-is-not-going-to-like-this-bones-of-Richard-III-have-apparently-been-found?startid=79336205&from_page=main
(http://m.fark.com/comments/7323237/Blackadder-is-not-going-to-like-this-bones-of-Richard-III-have-apparently-been-found?startid=79336205&from_page=main)
Somebody cut my head off at one point, but otherwise
everything went swimmingly. ...and how are you, Edna?
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Thanks for the link Martok
Quote from: Greybriar on February 04, 2013, 08:33:48 AM
I wonder if Richard III was the person responsible for the deaths of his nephews Edward V and his brother Richard (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Princes_in_the_Tower), Duke of York. Hopefully science will someday solve that mystery.
+1
Unless & until such time as the mystery is solved, however, the subject appears to remain one of lively debate. :)
Quote from: Gusington on February 04, 2013, 09:12:16 AM
That is interesting. I am curious as to how he investigation was brought to the parking lot in the first place.
Apparently Richard III haunted this poor woman...
http://www.radiotimes.com/news/2013-02-04/meet-philippa-langley-the-woman-who-discovered-richard-iii-in-a-car-park
Quote from: steve58 on February 04, 2013, 12:00:46 PM
Quote from: Gusington on February 04, 2013, 09:12:16 AM
That is interesting. I am curious as to how he investigation was brought to the parking lot in the first place.
Apparently Richard III haunted this poor woman...
http://www.radiotimes.com/news/2013-02-04/meet-philippa-langley-the-woman-who-discovered-richard-iii-in-a-car-park
Funny in a strange sort of way.
Quote from: Gusington on February 04, 2013, 09:12:16 AM
That is interesting. I am curious as to how he investigation was brought to the parking lot in the first place.
They have been doing a fair bit of digging round that area lately after some construction turned up various
battlefield remains. This caused a rethink of the exact location of the battle and subsequent archaeological
diggings which have been turning up all kinds of interesting stuff over a period of some years. They knew the battle
was fought around there in various fields and the area has been overlain by later developments. When
the first of the latest bunch of finds turned up they were able to zero in on exactly where some of the
described events took place and find more stuff. Pretty exciting and great scientific detective work.
Anyone with an interest in Richard III....not to mention anyone who just enjoys a helluva good read...should pick up Sharon Kay Penman's "The Sunne In Splendour". She is an excellent writer with a real ability to write historical fiction that involves you with her subjects intimately. And if you like "Sunne", by all means read the rest of her novels. Her accounting of Llewelyn, Prince of Wales, is riveting and remains my favorite of her books.
Amazoning that now. What a history England has...so much of it that some is buried under parking lots! And that haunting link above is just what the doctor odered.
Quote from: Gusington on February 04, 2013, 02:19:07 PM
Amazoning that now. What a history England has...so much of it that some is buried under parking lots! And that haunting link above is just what the doctor odered.
We're catching up. There are civil war battlefields under parking lots already and it's only been 150 years.
I can only hope that something as inconspicuous as a car lot would be built over my grave, rather than say, a Red Robin or a Gamestop.
Won't be a Gamestop although that would be nice.
I'd like a brothel please.
In regards to the Princes in the Tower, Thomas Moore investigated the issue out of curiousity. As Henry VIII's chief minister, presumably he had access to a lot of material that the public never would have heard of.
IIRC he came to the conclusion there was no solid evidence, but that a lot of circumstantial facts made him feel Richard had it done.
Whether you agree with him or not, Moore was an independent thinker and hardly a tool of Henry.
LOL, Dan, a knocking shop was my first thought as well.
Quote from: LongBlade on February 04, 2013, 12:38:26 PM
Quote from: steve58 on February 04, 2013, 12:00:46 PM
Quote from: Gusington on February 04, 2013, 09:12:16 AM
That is interesting. I am curious as to how he investigation was brought to the parking lot in the first place.
Apparently Richard III haunted this poor woman...
http://www.radiotimes.com/news/2013-02-04/meet-philippa-langley-the-woman-who-discovered-richard-iii-in-a-car-park
Funny in a strange sort of way.
I friggen love it! So very... British!!
And now for something completely different:
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...and now they've put a face to the legend (http://www.foxnews.com/science/2013/02/05/reconstruction-reveals-face-england-long-lost-king-richard-iii/?intcmp=features).
Quote from: Centurion40 on February 05, 2013, 09:58:59 AM
And now for something completely different:
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LOL. Love it!
that is soooooo British and actually funny ;D
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I love it.
14 quick facts along with images if you're interested: http://www.hlntv.com/slideshow/2013/02/04/king-richard-iii-facts-skeleton-remains-parking-lot
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how long before someone buries a live monarch?
or tries to bury a butterfly?
Steelie I am checking out that book you recommended yesterday. It weighs in at about 950 pages so I am a bit intimidated. Is it a really dense 950 or does it fly by? The reviews for it are overwhelmingly good.
Quote from: Gusington on February 05, 2013, 12:56:50 PM
Steelie I am checking out that book you recommended yesterday. It weighs in at about 950 pages so I am a bit intimidated. Is it a really dense 950 or does it fly by? The reviews for it are overwhelmingly good.
Gus, Penman has an easy writing style and is a great storyteller, so much so that sometimes you have to remind yourself that she wasn't really there taking notes. The story flows smoothly and you will find yourself very involved with the characters. So I don't think it's a difficult read and it's well worth your time.
On a minor note, my oldest son once sent her an email praising her books in some detail and was surprised to receive a rather lengthy response from her. She was very gracious and spoke of how much she shared and appreciated his love of history. It was pretty cool!
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Barbara Michaels wrote an entertaining mystery with this topic:
Murders of Richard III
Dammit Steeli now I have to get it. A great historical writer and cool? Damn you. I am sending you the receipt if it doesn't work out. And Bart that is hilarious.
Quote from: Gusington on February 06, 2013, 08:43:37 AM
Dammit Steeli now I have to get it. A great historical writer and cool? Damn you. I am sending you the receipt if it doesn't work out. And Bart that is hilarious.
It's been years since I read any Penman and I'm ordering the same book myself to reread. So there 8)
Get two! Thanks Dad.
He also has another claim to fame. In rhyming slang, a turd is referred to as a 'Richard the Third', as in 'I just trod on a Richard'
Thought you may want to know that.
^Something only the natives would know 8)
^yup :)
Fearing copy cat grave robbers, the presumed bones of Alfred the Great have been removed to safety.
http://www.itv.com/news/update/2013-03-26/alfred-the-great-bones-exhumed-in-case-of-theft/
Who on Earth would try to rob a grave?
Disgusting to think there are people so low.
http://www.pasthorizonspr.com/index.php/archives/02/2013/richard-iiis-scarred-skeleton-becomes-a-battlefield-for-academics
Most recent views.
Quote from: besilarius on March 31, 2013, 01:28:18 PM
http://www.pasthorizonspr.com/index.php/archives/02/2013/richard-iiis-scarred-skeleton-becomes-a-battlefield-for-academics
Most recent views.
"Article created on Tuesday, February 5, 2013"
Meh. Latest thing I've seen.
Quote from: LongBlade on March 26, 2013, 07:55:56 PM
Who on Earth would try to rob a grave?
Disgusting to think there are people so low.
http://behindthewall.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/03/24/17389580-search-for-love-in-china-fuels-ghost-marriages-grave-robbing?lite (http://behindthewall.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/03/24/17389580-search-for-love-in-china-fuels-ghost-marriages-grave-robbing?lite)
^ Now that's a bit strange.
http://www.pasthorizonspr.com/index.php/archives/02/2015/forensic-pathologist-discovers-trauma-evidence-for-killer-blow-to-richard-iii
Likely death blow.
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^ROFL
Quote from: Steelgrave on February 04, 2013, 01:00:18 PM
Anyone with an interest in Richard III....not to mention anyone who just enjoys a helluva good read...should pick up Sharon Kay Penman's "The Sunne In Splendour". She is an excellent writer with a real ability to write historical fiction that involves you with her subjects intimately. And if you like "Sunne", by all means read the rest of her novels. Her accounting of Llewelyn, Prince of Wales, is riveting and remains my favorite of her books.
Thanks Steelie :), I'll look out for it.
You might also like the Cousin's War series by Philippa Gregory, which is quite entertaining. I first saw it on telly, then got the DVD last year. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_White_Queen_(TV_series) I've since started reading the books. It isn't the battle scenes that make this series (they are pretty rubbish IMHO) but the political shenanigins going on. It is refreshing to see Richard III portrayed other than Tudor propagandists would like (Shakespeare is quite shameless in his portrayal), since there were so many other potential culprit's for the murder of the princes in the tower.
On a Tudor theme I'm also following Hilary Mantel's Wolf Hall (Based on Wolf Hall, and Bring up the Bodies) about Sir Thomas Cromwell, which is pretty interesting, and casts Cromwell in more ambiguous, although probably kinder light than most historians. (For those unfamiliar with Sir Thomas Cromwell, he was Henry VIII's Chief minister and hatchet man, from the time of Anne Boleyn until the divorce of Anne of Cleves, when he got the chop.). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Cromwell Interestingly, Oliver Cromwell descended from Sir Thomas' elder sister - Katherine... :o
http://www2.le.ac.uk/offices/press/press-releases/2015/april/did-richard-iii-manage-to-keep-his-scoliosis-a-secret-up-until-his-death-in-1485
Some speculation on Richard's scoliosis.
What better way to celebrate the end of a dynasty than a musical show?
http://artdaily.com/news/79598/City-celebrates-Richard-III-with--car-park-king--musical#