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Digital Gaming => Computer Gaming => Topic started by: MengJiao on February 25, 2013, 04:59:52 PM

Title: Arma3 steam only
Post by: MengJiao on February 25, 2013, 04:59:52 PM

I back-tracked to this from SimHQ:

http://www.bistudio.com/english/company/developers-blog


This is fine with me.  I have reluctantly accepted the steam thing, problematic as it often is.

I think steam is getting better.  After my first experiences, I hunted it down and wiped it off my machine.

Now it is always there doing something or other. 

Title: Re: Arma3 steam only
Post by: Huw the Poo on February 25, 2013, 05:01:57 PM
I understand their reasoning from their own point of view, but it's disingenuous to make up some thin excuses for the "good of the customer".  Monopolies are never good for the customer.  Plus I hardly think Steam is the best platform; I'd have preferred Desura if there had to be only one.
Title: Re: Arma3 steam only
Post by: DoctorQuest on February 25, 2013, 05:18:30 PM
I'll wait until it's released on gog.
Title: Re: Arma3 steam only
Post by: Jarhead0331 on February 25, 2013, 05:36:30 PM
Steam is my favorite of the third-party digital programs.  I'll never understand why so many people detest it from a technical standpoint.  When there is a problem, yes, it can be extremely frustrating, no question...but at least for me, 99% of the time, it has run everything flawlessly and has been extremely convenient when changing computers.
Title: Re: Arma3 steam only
Post by: Yskonyn on February 25, 2013, 05:40:02 PM
Yeah I am with JH on this. In fact, I've been buying games I already owned a harcopy of in Steam for rediculously low prices. Just so I can get rid of all the boxes and still have the same game library where I do not have to worry about finding DVD's or such back. ;)
Steam has never given me any problems in all those many years I've been using it.
Title: Re: Arma3 steam only
Post by: Longdan on February 25, 2013, 06:18:04 PM
I have been using steam forever and have well over a hundred games there.  When it works it is great and that is almost
always.  When it doesn't work right you are out of luck.  As in out of luck.  99% is about right.  A couple of things won't or
can't work and I have given up even trying to deal with their customer service robot.  Overall 99% is good.  I have never
had a problem with Desura and GG's customer service is excellent.
Title: Re: Arma3 steam only
Post by: Arctic Blast on February 26, 2013, 01:24:23 AM
Quote from: Huw the Poo on February 25, 2013, 05:01:57 PM
I understand their reasoning from their own point of view, but it's disingenuous to make up some thin excuses for the "good of the customer".  Monopolies are never good for the customer.  Plus I hardly think Steam is the best platform; I'd have preferred Desura if there had to be only one.

Never going to happen for one simple reason...how much of this does Desura offer for free?

-Integrated patching
-multi player matchmaking
-achievements
-integrated DLC and microtransactions
-full system support regardless of where the game is sold
-cloud saves
-optional anti-cheat
-community features (groups and the like)
-in game chat.

Plus, there's apparently a lot of background stuff for devs and publishers that gives a lot of sales/play information. And of course things like higher level DRM options and key creation and so on. I can't blame a developer for going with that when the other option is to pay to set up that infrastructure themselves, and then be stuck with maintaining said infrastructure.
Title: Re: Arma3 steam only
Post by: GDS_Starfury on February 26, 2013, 01:32:45 AM
ARMA3 is the one with the Zmod isnt it?
Title: Re: Arma3 steam only
Post by: Huw the Poo on February 26, 2013, 01:39:01 AM
Arctic: Yeah I realise all that, I'm just saying that I would've preferred Desura.  As I said, I don't doubt their reasoning and that the move is good for the devs.  The best scenario would be multiple distribution platforms so that the customer has some choice.
Title: Re: Arma3 steam only
Post by: Toonces on February 26, 2013, 01:41:56 AM
I'm with Jarhead and Yskonyn on this one.

I'll even go further and say that I have no problems with Steam 99.9% of the time.  About two weeks ago my internet crapped out and Steam even defaulted to offline mode without me needing to go through that connect-select offline-disconnect thing.  It just puttered on without internet like nothing.

I also have started buying games I already own again on Steam just to not have to worry about the disk anymore (Oblivion, numerous Total War games, etc.).

The best, though, has been modding Skyrim.  I go to the workshop, find a mod that looks interesting, hit subscribe...done.  No hassles, no sketchy downloads from rapidfire or any of that crap, no hoops.  Just subscribe-done.  Don't like it?  Unsubscribe-done.

Honestly, it's just so doggone convenient anymore that I don't even shop at any type of gamestore.  In fact, I'd go so far to say that I've almost stopped buying games unless they're on Steam.  Now that's nuts.   ???
Title: Re: Arma3 steam only
Post by: jomni on February 26, 2013, 06:52:57 AM
Steam is a good platform for gaming since it is very convenient.

The biggest problem of the model is the big question mark when Steam bites the dust. 
But like anything else, there will be catastrophic failures... even with your beloved HDD or CD backups (they might die or get lost in the future).
Title: Re: Arma3 steam only
Post by: Jarhead0331 on February 26, 2013, 07:11:36 AM
From a technical perspective, I find that the biggest problems arrive when there is an added unnecessary layer of DRM, such as with Ubisoft or EA games.  Why buy them through steam if you still have to run uplay or origins in order to play the game.  It is through these third third-party systems that I've experienced some difficulty.  It is unfortunate when select AAA titles operate this way.

As for what happens when steam is no longer around?  Keep buying games to help avoid that, but in the end, if it happens without any reasonable concession being offered?  Well, that's a class action lawsuit I'd love to take.
Title: Re: Arma3 steam only
Post by: TheCommandTent on February 26, 2013, 08:18:13 AM
Quote from: GDS_Starfury on February 26, 2013, 01:32:45 AM
ARMA3 is the one with the Zmod isnt it?

No thats ARMAII you are thinking of.
Title: Re: Arma3 steam only
Post by: MengJiao on February 26, 2013, 10:45:38 AM
Quote from: GDS_Starfury on February 26, 2013, 01:32:45 AM
ARMA3 is the one with the Zmod isnt it?


ARMA3 isn't out yet.  The standard misgivings about it are that it is futuristic and maybe even a bit Sci -Fi -- which is fine with me.

Some good things about it might be underwater stuff and other improved representations of a complete world (such as all the armas have tried to do: working clocks, constellations, clouds, sun and moon etc.).

I'll get it as soon as it comes out as I've done with all the ARMAs since the first one (the original operation flashpoint).  I was a year late on the first one.  I got it in 2002.
Title: Re: Arma3 steam only
Post by: Silent Disapproval Robot on February 26, 2013, 11:23:55 AM
You can sign up for the alpha now.  It goes live on Mar 5.  $25 to do so but you get the final release of the game when it's released.
Title: Re: Arma3 steam only
Post by: MengJiao on February 26, 2013, 02:30:02 PM
Quote from: Silent Disapproval Robot on February 26, 2013, 11:23:55 AM
You can sign up for the alpha now.  It goes live on Mar 5.  $25 to do so but you get the final release of the game when it's released.

That's good news, but I think I'll need a new machine for ARMA3 so I'll have to hold off for a few months.