...sounds like the results are in, but who is it?
Maybe it's just the Cardinals treating their glaucoma.
Damn. Beaten to the punch!
Registering for eventual discussion (and news).
Quote from: mirth on March 13, 2013, 01:20:42 PM
Maybe it's just the Cardinals treating their glaucoma.
LMAO! So you think the smoke smells "funny"?
I think it will come down to either Starfury or JH.
Quote from: Gusington on March 13, 2013, 01:57:09 PM
I think it will come down to either Starfury or JH.
Ha!
...and the new pope is Jorge Mario Bergoglio (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jorge_Bergoglio) from Argentina...taking the name Francis I.
Good thing there are no A-10's in the area - you don't wanta be popping smoke around those dude !
New pointy hat FTW!
First non-European Pope in over 1000 years.
Possibly first-non-European Pope who wasn't a Berber, too!
First Southern Hemisphere Pope ever. First New World Pope ever.
I am waiting for the outgoing Pontiff's episode of Red Shoe Diaries.
It might be PG.
white dope smoke for the Pope.
I for one welcome your new Pope.
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That's Pope Psycho too you.
Woah...
First New World Pope!
First Jesuit Pope!
Big historical moment! I can't help but be extremely excited as a historian, medievalist, and graduate of a Jesuit university!
Quote from: son_of_montfort on March 13, 2013, 10:32:28 PM
Woah...
First New World Pope!
First Jesuit Pope!
Big historical moment! I can't help but be extremely excited as a historian, medievalist, and graduate of a Jesuit university!
It's like Christmas!
Jesuits scare the crap outa me.
Quote from: Longdan on March 13, 2013, 10:42:12 PM
Jesuits scare the crap outa me.
Aren't Depends covered by Canadian National Healthcare?
Jesuits aren't and health Care is a Provincial responsibility.
Glad to see it's still cool to mock Catholicism here.
The only Jesuit joke I can recall.
Three priests are playing golf, a Franciscan, a Dominican, and a Jesuit.
They are having a terrible day, the foursome before them are playing so slow, throws off their timing, the game is awful.
Back in the clubhouse they are asked how it their round was, and they all replied how bad they played, and blamed the four in front of them for playing so slowly.
Well, don't be angry with them, those four were blind golfers.
"Oh my God, " said the Franciscan. "They were blind?" He got on his knees and prayed for forgiveness.
The Dominican also starts to pray, "Dear God thank you so much for the gift of sight. I am so unworthy."
The Jesuit thinks a little, "If they're blind, why don't they play at night?"
The only Jesuit joke I can recall.
Three priests are playing golf, a Franciscan, a Dominican, and a Jesuit.
They are having a terrible day, the foursome before them are playing so slow, throws off their timing, the game is awful.
Back in the clubhouse they are asked how it their round was, and they all replied how bad they played, and blamed the four in front of them for playing so slowly.
Well, don't be angry with them, those four were blind golfers.
"Oh my God, " said the Franciscan. "They were blind?" He got on his knees and prayed for forgiveness.
The Dominican also starts to pray, "Dear God thank you so much for the gift of sight. I am so unworthy."
The Jesuit thinks a little, "If they're blind, why don't they play at night?"
I've read up on this. Some of the mainstream media stuff is either weird or irrelevant.
1] The guy is old. Only 2 years younger than Benedict when he was elected.
2] He is not a member of the Vatican bureauracry.
3] He has lived a relatively humble life (clothing, using public transport, flying economy, no cook)
4] He has been an outspoken advocate for the poor.
5] He has been a parish priest and a bishop overseeing parishes. This is closer to John Paul II than Benedict.
6] He has been conservative in terms of doctrine - but all of the Cardinals are.
7] He has been willing to discipline his priests when they get out of line. Some priests were refusing to baptise children born out of wedlock and he put a stop to that.
^Hopefully he will do well as the Pope, he has a big job ahead of him. One item that does concern me is that he only has one lung (removed during his teens due to an infection). "They" are saying it shouldn't impact his duties, but I imagine that it will as he moves into his 80s...
^^ I think it is a positive sign that he is not a European and specifically not Italian. I know there has been chafing
in Italy since some think the Papacy should have returned "where it belongs". This furthers the trend and shows
a continued awareness of the world as a dynamic place. I personally would have rather seen a younger Pontiff
but my family are all Catholics and they seem modestly pleased with the choice. They wanted the Canadian candidate.
Some say that his election marks a revolt against the Curia. If so....about time.
I'm not Catholic, but much of my wife's family is. I certainly believe that they can be a very positive force in the world. But they have a lot of housecleaning to do. Here's hoping that Pope Francis carries a big broom.
A humble Pope sounds like an excellent example. I don't know much about him, but the little I've heard I really like.
Its a strategic move. (heh, cardinals were kind of wargaming too ;D ...battle for souls ;))
In Latin America (harboring half of all Catholics !) the 'Evangelicalism' -or how its called-? American style (not our centuries old ol'school European version) is spreading through heavy mission activity and so draining more and more members from the traditional catholic population overthere.
So even in the eyes of the most Curia-leaning cardinals, a Pope Francis is the right guy to stem against massive losses there and makes a nice inpact in other (poor) places abroad from Europe too
(while here in Europe/Germany ppl are already pretty secular / atheistic anyway, and even catholics already demanding all kind of liberties from strict rules to get implemented. So not much to gain/preserve at this frontline ... those ppl unhappy have already steped away and only a trickle of souls may follow the 'heretic of a catholic rule free life')
Is he really what he claims though? Reports are already coming out that he was complicit in Argentina's Dirty War and helped the Argentine government hide political prisoners from an international human rights inspection.
http://www.businessinsider.com/pope-francis-has-links-to-dirty-war-2013-3? (http://www.businessinsider.com/pope-francis-has-links-to-dirty-war-2013-3?)
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/belief/2011/jan/04/argenitina-videla-bergoglio-repentance (http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/belief/2011/jan/04/argenitina-videla-bergoglio-repentance)
find me anyone on this planet that they can't find something negative about
you know that no matter who they chose, there was going be something that someone, somewhere was going to find negative to say
that's just the world we live in today
As an aside - could this be the origin of the phrase "holy smoke?"
i once stole a rubber as a kid and some years later i did not answer a love letter of a girl i did not find attractive enough to o through the pain of writing. but i never supported a dirty war. well except if it's true that i do it everytime i eat at mc donalds and thus support american imperialism.
that was like you were channeling your inner longdan.
I wouldn't say Pope Francis I is a huge shake-up of the hierarchy - he may be a Jesuit but he also rejected South American Liberation Theology, so he has some conservativism still in him. That being said, I think he will go in a different direction and I'm excited to see how that turns out. From the recent reports, there were some financial scandals in the Vatican at the highest levels of the Vatican bank and sources say Benedict "retired" so a stronger man could handle them.
I also found out that John Brennan, the new CIA head, graduated from the same Jesuit University as I did (although before I was even born). Pope = Jesuit. CIA = Jesuit educated. I welcome the inevitable conspiracy theories. ::) (But I'm really proud of my intellectual heritage!)
if they would like to handle all their scandals they should have chosen Brennan in the first place. come on the guy wears a white robe. who would be intimidated? that would be like being intimitated by Longdan or Longblade or Longjohn Hailey
Quote from: GDS_Starfury on March 14, 2013, 02:49:24 PM
that was like you were channeling your inner longdan.
That's not quite right. I have personally done my bit to support American Imperialism and a lot of good it did me.
I still eat at donalds occasionally. Thanks for dropping by Star. It is not fair to compare Keunert to me.
What would his neighbours think?
If you want some
freakin' crazy!! comspiracy crap take a look at this: http://one-evil.org/content/entities_organizations_jesuits.html
These guys are over the moon!
Quote from: Keunert on March 14, 2013, 02:23:54 PM
i once stole a rubber as a kid and some years later i did not answer a love letter of a girl i did not find attractive enough to o through the pain of writing. but i never supported a dirty war. well except if it's true that i do it everytime i eat at mc donalds and thus support american imperialism.
Hey, you're in Switzerland. You've gotta try to be friends with everyone. Including us.
give us your chocolate, watches and shady bank accounts.
Quote from: Longdan on March 14, 2013, 03:15:32 PM
If you want some freakin' crazy!! comspiracy crap take a look at this: http://one-evil.org/content/entities_organizations_jesuits.html
These guys are over the moon!
Dan, I said that in jest. Let's not get the attention of the government spider bots and give them a reason to come crawling in by linking it! :P We already are on too many "watch lists!"
The Jesuits are one of the finest institutions I have ever had the pleasure of dealing with, working alongside, and to be educated by. They are, IMHO, a paragon of Christian service and compassion.
That's quite the endorsement, SoM.
Quote from: GDS_Starfury on March 14, 2013, 04:19:29 PM
give us your chocolate, watches and shady bank accounts.
and gnomes.
Quote from: bob48 on March 14, 2013, 04:52:48 PM
Quote from: GDS_Starfury on March 14, 2013, 04:19:29 PM
give us your chocolate, watches and shady bank accounts.
and gnomes.
And hot jodeling maidens.
And a solid Swiss pike or two just for good measure.
Landschneckt.
watch your mouths sock puppets!
or i will send you these guy you pontiflexes:
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Heh, I saw what you did there, LB.
Quote from: steve58 on March 14, 2013, 09:44:42 AMOne item that does concern me is that he only has one lung (removed during his teens due to an infection). "They" are saying it shouldn't impact his duties, but I imagine that it will as he moves into his 80s...
Unless he has been avoiding high mountains in a country mostly composed of high mountains, I expect it isn't that much of a problem. Still, one of the (official) reasons Benedict retired was because his doctor told him no more flying. I can see a potential problem coming in that direction, too.
I'm pretty sure this is the same guy I was hoping would be elected pope last time (although I wasn't unhappy with Ratzinger. Any fan of Balthasar rates high in my book to begin with.) Does anyone know why he pleaded NOT to be elected pope last time?
Quote from: Keunert on March 14, 2013, 05:15:39 PM
watch your mouths sock puppets!
or i will send you these guy you pontiflexes:
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Send them! I want to learn how they train to use those old halberds!
btw i am from Swaziland, not Switzerland. Swaziland is south from Sweden.
Quote from: Keunert on March 14, 2013, 05:18:28 PM
btw i am from Swaziland, not Switzerland. Swaziland is south from Sweden.
I don't believe you.
Please don't foget the hot jodeling wimmenz, either:
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Quote from: Keunert on March 14, 2013, 05:15:39 PM
watch your mouths sock puppets!
or i will send you these guy you pontiflexes:
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Keeping in mind, those are THE VATICAN GUARD!! They may dress like that, but they have lots of modern special forces training.
SpecOps training plus swiss pikes == do not mess with.
Quote from: Keunert on March 14, 2013, 05:18:28 PM
btw i am from Swaziland, not Switzerland. Swaziland is south from Sweden.
tom-ato tom-ahto
ya'll a buncha youropeeins here in 'merica.
The Swiss Guard can be pretty dangerous if the situation gets strange.
My dad was with a group of sailors on a USO trip to the Vatican in 1952. Back then the pope had a big hall with a central aisle for him to be carried through. On one side were the people from the Romance languages (Italy, France, Spain) and on the other for Germanic languages, which included english. There were fences to keep the faithful back from the aisle. In the recent past, people could get out of their seats and into the aisle, but the mob could get carried away.
After the blessing, his chair was carried to go between the two groups and there wer four Swiss Guards with halberds, escorting him at the corners.
Well, the fence keeping back the Italians held up very well, but the one for the stoic germans was apparently not so sturdy. Whatever, american sailors of USS Kepler, accidently pushed a section down.
The chair bearers quickly reversed and took the pope away from the hooligans.
One of the Swiss led the chari back, but the other three immediately got into a triangle with a point man and the others on his sides. They held their ground and looked menacing and prepared to use the halberds. Although the weapons are for display and not sharp, the damage even a dull blade could do when swung with force on a six foot handle would be deathly.
My father told us that he could just see the courtmartial convened to find out why american sailors were the last recorded victims of Swiss halberds.
Great story! International incident started after Swiss Pikemen skewer US servicemen! News at 11.
Quote from: Longdan on March 13, 2013, 10:42:12 PM
Jesuits scare the crap outa me.
They can be quite useful for Arquebuses... (Shogun 2) 8)
Something for Easter.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7Z8meK5BrQ
Change may be in the wind.
A report has emerged that, in private, the Pope may favor gay marriage.
Quote"He told me. ... 'I'm in favor of gay rights and in any case, I also favor civil unions for homosexuals, but I believe that Argentina is not yet ready for a gay marriage law,'" said Marquez, a gay rights activist, a self-described devout Catholic and a former theology professor at a Catholic seminary.
http://www.cnn.com/2013/03/20/world/americas/argentina-pope-civil-unions/index.html?hpt=hp_c1
if he is in private in favor of gay marriage, this would definately proof that he is a heterosexual in private himself.