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Title: The UN May Ban Killer Drones
Post by: DicedT on May 30, 2013, 06:54:18 PM
http://www.forbes.com/sites/michaelpeck/2013/05/30/the-un-may-ban-more-than-killer-drones/
Title: Re: The UN May Ban Killer Drones
Post by: LongBlade on May 30, 2013, 09:35:38 PM
Interesting. I wasn't aware there was a move to ban armed UAVs.

This part caught my eye.

QuoteBut though the U.S. government staunchly maintains that drones will never fire without a human giving the command, Heyns is justifiably skeptical: "The decision-making processes of robots are often measured in nanoseconds and the informational basis of those decisions may not be practically accessible to the supervisor. In such circumstances humans are de facto out of the loop and the machines thus effectively constitute LARs."

Personally I would have tweaked the language to read "possibly justified in being skeptical," as I don't think your article, as published, makes the case that the US and its allies won't insist on having a human make the final decision to fire.
Title: Re: The UN May Ban Killer Drones
Post by: Mr. Bigglesworth on May 30, 2013, 09:57:09 PM
Of course countries with no tech want to ban them.

Auto defense systems are not optional. It would be like someone going back to paper trading on wall street. Whoever complies is a dead duck in under a second.
Title: Re: The UN May Ban Killer Drones
Post by: bayonetbrant on May 31, 2013, 05:26:40 AM
hasn't the UN also banned genocide?  how's that working out for us...?
Title: Re: The UN May Ban Killer Drones
Post by: TheCommandTent on May 31, 2013, 07:21:39 AM
Quote from: bayonetbrant on May 31, 2013, 05:26:40 AM
hasn't the UN also banned genocide?  how's that working out for us...?

I was thinking along the same lines.  How many edict have they issued and not back up ...
Title: Re: The UN May Ban Killer Drones
Post by: LongBlade on May 31, 2013, 02:41:34 PM
Quote from: TheCommandTent on May 31, 2013, 07:21:39 AM
Quote from: bayonetbrant on May 31, 2013, 05:26:40 AM
hasn't the UN also banned genocide?  how's that working out for us...?

I was thinking along the same lines.  How many edict have they issued and not back up ...

While we're at it, corruption is probably not on the officially sanctioned list of activities, but somehow the UN manages to be a successful kleptocracy in spite of that.
Title: Re: The UN May Ban Killer Drones
Post by: mirth on May 31, 2013, 03:48:15 PM
I think the emphasis here needs to be on Killer Drones.

As always Firefly shows us the way:

QuoteZoƫ: Preacher, don't the Bible have some pretty specific things to say about killing?
Book: Quite specific. It is, however, somewhat fuzzier on the subject of kneecaps.
Title: Re: The UN May Ban Killer Drones
Post by: Jack Nastyface on May 31, 2013, 04:11:49 PM
Michael...
Good article.  Comments submitted under my real(ish) name: Byron Grant (surname redacted).
Title: Re: The UN May Ban Killer Drones
Post by: DoctorQuest on May 31, 2013, 04:14:37 PM
We have to get a jump on SkyNet somehow.
Title: Re: The UN May Ban Killer Drones
Post by: son_of_montfort on May 31, 2013, 05:40:27 PM
I, for one, don't really want to give an AI power to launch weapons!
Title: Re: The UN May Ban Killer Drones
Post by: bayonetbrant on May 31, 2013, 05:58:51 PM
Quote from: son_of_montfort on May 31, 2013, 05:40:27 PM
I, for one, don't really want to give an AI power to launch weapons!

FWIW, it's probably more "I" than most of the "I" calling the shots right now... ::)