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TOKYO – The Marines have tried curfews, drinking restrictions and plain old jawboning to cut down crime and controversy on Okinawa, a key center of U.S. military power in the Pacific. Now they're handing out reminder cards.
The more than 20,000 Marines stationed in the Pacific region will get wallet-sized cards that promote core values of "honor, courage and commitment," and remind Marines of the battles fought and price paid by earlier generations.
"We are forward-deployed in the region, and we call this place home," says Lieut. General Kenneth Glueck, commander of the Okinawa-based III Marine Expeditionary Force. The card "serves as a constant reminder of our heritage, our traditions and the ideals that have made the corps what it is today."
Glueck went on a speaking tour of bases last year after a series of crimes by U.S. servicemen on Okinawa sparked large-scale protests and led to curfews and restrictions on alcohol consumptions for Marines and other U.S. forces. The Marines' V-22 Osprey also has been the target of protests over noise and safety concerns.
The card includes the names of battles and campaigns fought by Marines in the Asia-Pacific region. It also has a compass rose intended to remind leathernecks to align their values with "True North." No word on whether a GPS is next.
Read more: http://nation.time.com/2013/06/07/marines-get-carded/#ixzz2VXrsWwRg
Yeah...this will be effective.
surely the threat of your Sergeant or Officer kicking you in the teeth for breaking the code should be enough?
I dunno about that last line. It kinda reads like tacit permission to act like a drunken jackass in the bars each night.
From the thread title I thought for sure Azz had snuck back in here.
Makes me want to hear more stories of drunk Marines ratfucking Tokyo Disneyland!
I guess introspective thought is too much to expect in today's western society.... what a waste of a perfectly good Renaissance
The Marines have had a PR problem on Okinawa for quite some time.
Most are good men, but once in a while there's a bad apple. Rape and theft I can recall hearing. Not sure about murder, but it's likely at least one has been committed.
Many of the Okinawans want the Marine base there removed, and the bad behavior of a few makes it even easier to get support for that request.
I don't know how you can stop it other than get better at identifying the bad apples. Pre-crime units haven't been created yet (despite the best efforts of the NSA and DHS) but that would probably be the next step.
Giving them a card to carry in the wallet wouldn't be half as effective as making them wear pink ribbons in their hair IMHO.
Quote from: LongBlade on June 07, 2013, 11:39:06 AM
The Marines have had a PR problem on Okinawa for quite some time.
Most are good men, but once in a while there's a bad apple. Rape and theft I can recall hearing. Not sure about murder, but it's likely at least one has been committed.
Many of the Okinawans want the Marine base there removed, and the bad behavior of a few makes it even easier to get support for that request.
I don't know how you can stop it other than get better at identifying the bad apples. Pre-crime units haven't been created yet (despite the best efforts of the NSA and DHS) but that would probably be the next step.
Giving them a card to carry in the wallet wouldn't be half as effective as making them wear pink ribbons in their hair IMHO.
Talk about punishing everyone for the sins of the few.
Marines have hair?
Quote from: LongBlade on June 07, 2013, 11:39:06 AM
The Marines have had a PR problem on Okinawa for quite some time.
Most are good men, but once in a while there's a bad apple. Rape and theft I can recall hearing. Not sure about murder, but it's likely at least one has been committed.
Many of the Okinawans want the Marine base there removed, and the bad behavior of a few makes it even easier to get support for that request.
I don't know how you can stop it other than get better at identifying the bad apples. Pre-crime units haven't been created yet (despite the best efforts of the NSA and DHS) but that would probably be the next step.
Giving them a card to carry in the wallet wouldn't be half as effective as making them wear pink ribbons in their hair IMHO.
Not just Okinawa. I know that when I was living in Kanagawa, the Marines were banned from going into Roppongi, a nightclubby area of Tokyo frequented by a lot foreigners (and slutty Japanese girls hoping to meet foreigners). The Army, Navy, and Air Force were still allowed in but there had been too many incidents involving Marines.
Think this card would have made these marines think twice?
http://security.blogs.cnn.com/2013/06/06/current-former-marines-caught-up-in-alleged-crime-ring/?hpt=hp_t2
Con
Quote from: Con on June 07, 2013, 04:35:26 PM
Think this card would have made these marines think twice?
http://security.blogs.cnn.com/2013/06/06/current-former-marines-caught-up-in-alleged-crime-ring/?hpt=hp_t2
Con
No. That's why I'm advocating pink ribbons.
The USMC should just leave. The minute the locals forget and fail to appreciate the USMC presence is when you withdraw. Have a great time when the PLA turns up on your doorstep and memories of Nanjing surface.
There is that.
And the lack of economic boost. They'll notice when half the shops close because the Marines don't shop there anymore.
see LB... it all boils down to money
No one likes bad experiences especially from foreign troops in garrison. Like has been suggested, it's probably a few bad apples, but you're going to get some with over 20,000 young men on a small island. Like JH says, this isn't going to resonate much, but at least as an organisation the USMC recognise the problem and are trying (even if this isn't the best way to go) to do something to deal with it.
Like Puss says, the locals won't want the PLA on their doorstep anymore than anyone else, but I don't suppose the US want Hawaii to be the alternative frontline in any showdown with China/Korea, especially since from the US perspective Okinawa suits that purpose better. Maybe bromide in the coffee is the answer.... :o ;)
Is that like saltpeter in the milk?
Quote from: The Puss on June 09, 2013, 04:32:34 PM
The USMC should just leave. The minute the locals forget and fail to appreciate the USMC presence is when you withdraw. Have a great time when the PLA turns up on your doorstep and memories of Nanjing surface.
Puss may be more right than he thinks. Get a load of this:
QuoteA group of Chinese scholars, analysts and military officials convened on a recent morning in a spartan schoolroom to draw attention to China's simmering territorial dispute with Japan. Participants spoke in urgent tones. Reporters took notes. A spirit of solidarity reigned.
But the deliberations were not about the barren rocks in the East China Sea that are known as Diaoyu in China and Senkaku in Japan and that the two nations have been sparring over with competing naval patrols.
Instead, the group that gathered at Renmin University was focused on a more enticing prize — Japan's southernmost island chain, which includes the strategic linchpin of Okinawa, home to 1.3 million Japanese citizens, not to mention 27,000 American troops.
Source: http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/14/world/asia/sentiment-builds-in-china-to-press-claim-for-okinawa.html?hp
they cant even take Tiawan.
and again Ill mention that its all fun and wargames until some dumb m*********r actually pisses Japan off and they release the giant robots.
Quote from: GDS_Starfury on June 13, 2013, 07:36:16 PM
they cant even take Tiawan.
and again Ill mention that its all fun and wargames until some dumb m*********r actually pisses Japan off and they release the giant robots.
I would like to see some insane Japanese war tech go to work someplace. On our side, of course. I suspect they have some neat gadgets.
Saw that article today, it was interesting. Looks like the Japanese and Chinese are coming full circle after 100+ years. The Japanese originally clawed their way to the top after the Sino Japanese War (1895) and now the Chinese are trying to do the same. I would rather not get in the middle.
they absolutely need air superiority to stay ahead of the chinese
Quote from: LongBlade on June 13, 2013, 08:41:29 PM
Quote from: GDS_Starfury on June 13, 2013, 07:36:16 PM
they cant even take Tiawan.
and again Ill mention that its all fun and wargames until some dumb m*********r actually pisses Japan off and they release the giant robots.
I would like to see some insane Japanese war tech go to work someplace. On our side, of course. I suspect they have some neat gadgets.
I would not. if its being used we are in a serious war with someone a bit further east. its not that Im worried about the outcome, its more what that 2 weeks is going to cause.
Quote from: Staggerwing on June 11, 2013, 06:36:35 PM
Is that like saltpeter in the milk?
Don't know. I've never knowingly taken it. It's supposed to depress the libido. :'(
Quote from: GDS_Starfury on June 13, 2013, 07:36:16 PM
they cant even take Tiawan.
and again Ill mention that its all fun and wargames until some dumb m*********r actually pisses Japan off and they release the giant robots.
You're right and they're pretty damn cool...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2iZ0WuNvHr8
Star, does the lady count as a military babe....? 8)
cosplay.
not that Id really care one way or the other. shes cute and has a mech. FFS.... she has a mech. she could look like LB and I wouldnt care.
Hold on that's a serious statement right there....Shirley, you jest?
Quote from: GDS_Starfury on June 13, 2013, 10:45:52 PM
cosplay.
not that Id really care one way or the other. shes cute and has a mech. FFS.... she has a mech. she could look like LB and I wouldnt care.
I'm sexy and I know it!
Oh my.
Quote from: OJsDad on June 07, 2013, 02:40:36 PM
Marines have hair?
That would be part of the punishment of course. :)
Quote from: JasonPratt on June 14, 2013, 01:16:21 PM
Quote from: OJsDad on June 07, 2013, 02:40:36 PM
Marines have hair?
That would be part of the punishment of course. :)
Smuck to the Gay thread. Smuck to the Gay thread.
this is not an exercise.
LOL
Quote from: GDS_Starfury on June 13, 2013, 10:45:52 PM
she could look like LB and I wouldnt care.
Doesn't sound like the Starfury we know and love... :-\ You haven't been on the bromide have you... :( ;)
if she has a working mech I wouldnt care what her other flaws were.
priorities man!
In the interests of drawing the lurkers out of the woodwork, I'll just ask: What does sexual orientation have to do with a likely ineffective value statement carried around in a Marine's wallet?
Don't ask, don't tell?
Just because it's gay doesn't mean it's gay.
Quote from: FarAway Sooner on June 26, 2013, 07:02:20 PM
In the interests of drawing the lurkers out of the woodwork, I'll just ask: What does sexual orientation have to do with a likely ineffective value statement carried around in a Marine's wallet?
I'm willing to go on record as saying that sexual orientation by it self would not determine how effective and lethal (or productive, if you prefer) a combatant any particular Marine (or any other soldier, sailor, or airman) is. The social engineering applied by peers and authority figures to one's sense of self based on their own notions of sexual orientation can, however, make a profound impact.
Here's a hypothetical question for all of you:
Who would make a better soldier (regardless of other personality traits): A lesbian or a homosexual male? Who would likely be more effective in combat? Who would be more effective in an administrative hierarchical structure? Why?
Quote from: Staggerwing on June 26, 2013, 08:07:35 PM
Quote from: FarAway Sooner on June 26, 2013, 07:02:20 PM
In the interests of drawing the lurkers out of the woodwork, I'll just ask: What does sexual orientation have to do with a likely ineffective value statement carried around in a Marine's wallet?
I'm willing to go on record as saying that sexual orientation by it self would not determine how effective and lethal (or productive, if you prefer) a combatant any particular Marine (or any other soldier, sailor, or airman) is. The social engineering applied by peers and authority figures to one's sense of self based on their own notions of sexual orientation can, however, make a profound impact.
Here's a hypothetical question for all of you:
Who would make a better soldier (regardless of other personality traits): A lesbian or a homosexual male? Who would likely be more effective in combat? Who would be more effective in an administrative hierarchical structure? Why?
FIIK
^Me neither.
In JH's defense I know he didn't mean anything controversial with the title of this thread, FWIW.
It was IMO a somewhat archaic and dispaireging use of the term; relating gayness to badness is so 1970's
The irony isn't really lost on me. I just felt like stirring the pot.
My sense is that, on average, a straight male will likely make a better killing machine than a lesbian female. More carrying capacity, better able to transport a wounded comrade, probably stronger in physical combat, etc.
I'd rather we just come up with some objective standards for what represents a reasonable standard of lethality and let whoever passes the test kill people for our country.
In terms of who might be more effective in the administrative hierarchical structure, I think the answer is, "It depends. But I'd still rather we come up with objective standards of performance within that administrative hierarchy and judge people from there."
I didn't really mean to hijack the whole thread. I was just trying to see if I couldn't get a rise out of some folks around the recent repeal of the Defense of Marines Act...
:D
Quote from: FarAway Sooner on June 26, 2013, 10:28:43 PM
My sense is that, on average, a straight male will likely make a better killing machine than a lesbian female.
and you would be so very wrong. granted it was art school but, be that as it may, no man went into the welding shop.
ever.
Quote from: FarAway Sooner on June 26, 2013, 10:28:43 PM
I'd rather we just come up with some objective standards for what represents a reasonable standard of lethality and let whoever passes the test kill people for our country.
Same here. I don't really care if a soldier is male or female, just so long as they can do the job.
Quote from: FarAway Sooner on June 26, 2013, 10:28:43 PM
I didn't really mean to hijack the whole thread. I was just trying to see if I couldn't get a rise out of some folks around the recent repeal of the Defense of Marines Act...
Did you check out this thread (http://grogheads.com/forums/index.php?topic=6440.0) yet?
Quote from: GDS_Starfury on June 26, 2013, 10:34:41 PM
Quote from: FarAway Sooner on June 26, 2013, 10:28:43 PM
My sense is that, on average, a straight male will likely make a better killing machine than a lesbian female.
and you would be so very wrong. granted it was art school but, be that as it may, no man went into the welding shop.
ever.
LOL!
I'm not even gonna ask..
it was one of the few lines I never crossed. some Rubicons are just ment to go fighing in.
Quote from: GDS_Starfury on June 26, 2013, 07:54:18 PM
Just because it's gay doesn't mean it's gay.
JH didn't seem all that cheerful about it either, but maybe the period indicates sarcasm.
I like you JP, you always strive to see the good. :)
Uh oh...being liked by Breezy is one step on the staircase to GW hell. Beware!