So I'm watching the F16 do its demo practice and the guy goes vertical, everything goes quiet and he's about to stall and then he just puts just enough power on to stay vertical but without climbing or falling - just hanging there
When he pulls out of this move and is on descent he pulls the nose up and the tail goes under the plane and flips him upside down so now in the blink of an eye he's upside down and facing the other direction - good stuff to watch
No wonder there such cocky basts when they come back down for drinks and VIP loving
I love airshows, I must say!
theres an SU27 Flanker and that double rotor-ed attack helicopter everyones playing the game about - black shark?
looks bad ass close up
Quote from: Centurion40 on June 17, 2013, 09:18:10 AM
I love airshows, I must say!
Has someone hacked yer account? I must say. >:(
Quote from: undercovergeek on June 17, 2013, 09:26:11 AM
theres an SU27 Flanker and that double rotor-ed attack helicopter everyones playing the game about - black shark?
looks bad ass close up
Pictures!!!!! ;)
I'm going through a, Monday morning, coffee-induced Ed Grimley phase. I'm sure that it won't last long... I must say!
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heres a Su-27 doing a cobra and a partial barrel roll:
raptor goes up tomorrow - ill get pics if i can
AC130 fly past this afternoon with an F18 escort - scary-ass plane that is
I thought they cancelled all the airshows so our beloved President has money to fly around in his VC-25A.
they cancelled the demonstration teams flights. when you see individual planes at air shows theyre usually part of a training flight.
And the airshow associations usually pick up some of the costs, which is why some of them charge admission & sell shit.
How many Su-35 can you buy for one F-22? 4-6? Is the technological superiority worth the high cost?
when i served in as artillery unit, some Mayor visited us and explained the Nato campaign in Serbia. he did not get tired to explain to us, that if ever again a longer conflict between superpowers should happen he fully expects that those nations after the initial months will have more of the second or third generation equipment at work that all the chrome we were watching at the TV, like the B2 stealth bomber. he told us that maintaining these units would be too slow and intense for a longer full scale conflict. i never got it if he was serious or if he just wanted us to feel less uncomfortable with our old equipment.
considering that a 2 ship formation of F-22s can wipe out a squadron of Flankers without being seen I would say YES, theyre worth the cost.
I would even go as far as to say that the F-35 should be scrapped and F-22 production started again.
Quote from: GDS_Starfury on June 17, 2013, 03:05:40 PM
they cancelled the demonstration teams flights. when you see individual planes at air shows theyre usually part of a training flight.
If you're lucky. The Offutt AFB open house was completely cancelled this year due to sequestration. Nothing, dada, zilch.
between Key West NAS, Eglin AFB, Avon Park and MacDill AFB Florida is kinda lucky.
Quote from: GDS_Starfury on June 17, 2013, 03:54:28 PM
I would even go as far as to say that the F-35 should be scrapped and F-22 production started again.
Would seem like the wise choice.
and because its a wise choice the pentagon will never go for it.
If there is validity in the underlying point behind Kenny's story, then I wonder if it would make sense to have a bunch lower-tech aircraft, in reserve. Perhaps flown by Air Reserve or National Air Guard squadrons.
our F-16s and F-18s are now those lower tech aircraft.
^Don't forget the BUFFs!
if it was up to me Id slowly phase out F-15s and F-16s and ramp up F-22 production. Id also restart A-10 production after giving the design a few modern tweeks here and there but I would not want it to become an electric/glass cockpit plane. its awesome because its simple. all tankers would be replaced with the 767 platform and would AWACS/JSTARS types. the Navy and Marines would phase out F-18s and replace them with Super Hornets. they get to suck it until UAVs replace almost all Naval Aviation. scrap the F-35 and use its lessons in new F-22s. ya want vertical take off, call a friking V-22 or helo.
Why not stick to Apaches? Can the A-10 do something (apart from looking super cool and menacing) that the Apaches can't?
I saw a documentary about a private company that does mid-air refueling with refurbished 707s.
http://www.omegaairrefueling.com/vms/
Just doesn't seem right to me.
Quote from: Centurion40 on June 18, 2013, 01:33:23 PM
Why not stick to Apaches? Can the A-10 do something (apart from looking super cool and menacing) that the Apaches can't?
I saw a documentary about a private company that does mid-air refueling with refurbished 707s.
http://www.omegaairrefueling.com/vms/
Just doesn't seem right to me.
A-10's can carry a crap load more ordinance in one go.
besides carrying far more weapons it can loiter with intent ;) for a far longer time and, IMHO, its far more survivable. I dont think its cleared for use on the A-10 yet but the Small Diameter Bomb would increase an A-10s lethality by a few orders of magnitude. I would imagine an A-10 could carry 50 of the things if the right racks are designed.
SDB: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Small_Diameter_Bomb
and what do ya know, it is cleared for A-10 use. and Ill retract the 50, lets say 24 or so.
Quote from: Barthheart on June 18, 2013, 01:48:44 PM
A-10's can carry a crap load more ordinance in one go.
Not to mention the Mother of All BFGs...
I dont recall any other aircraft that was built around the gun from day 1. ;D
Quote from: GDS_Starfury on June 18, 2013, 06:18:45 PM
I dont recall any other aircraft that was built around the gun from day 1. ;D
And yet...so obvious in retrospect.
for the more flight savvy than me - why is there still a market for prop-engined military aircraft?
i thought it may be size but the A380 is parked here next to the AC130 and the commercial plane is much larger and obviously has jets - so why put props on AC130?
is it so it doesnt go too fast?
Quote from: undercovergeek on June 20, 2013, 08:22:31 AM
for the more flight savvy than me - why is there still a market for prop-engined military aircraft?
i thought it may be size but the A380 is parked here next to the AC130 and the commercial plane is much larger and obviously has jets - so why put props on AC130?
is it so it doesnt go too fast?
I can only address that by what I've managed to pick up.
A C-130 can land in a very short area and take off in just slightly longer. It has rocket boosters that can assist in tight conditions.
The engines will run on anything that can burnt - kerosine, diesel, even cooking oil. They'll need a major overhaul when they get back to base, but you can't do that with a jet engine.
Also, props don't go fast. That's a major plus if you want to loiter with intent.
propeller driven aircraft are far more affordable to maintain and operate. they can operate from much rougher areas with less support structure. the lower speed and higher loiter time lets you get a better picture of the ground. for an interesting aside:
QuoteCombat Dragon II Demonstrates OV-10G+ Bronco Capabilities
Written by: Robert F. Dorr on June 13, 2013
In recent months, the U.S. special operations community has been quietly evaluating two North American OV-10G+ Bronco light combat aircraft at Naval Air Station Fallon, Nev., and at Nellis Air Force Base, Nev.
The Combat Dragon II program, a Limited Objective Experiment (LOE), is aimed at demonstrating that a small, turboprop-powered warplane can be effective in "high end/special aviation" missions of the kind encountered in Afghanistan.
The experiment seeks similar information as Imminent Fury, which used a leased A-29B Super Tucano.
Congress tried to kill Combat Dragon II 18 months ago. Today, CENTCOM's Science and Technology Division is running the LOE in cooperation with SOCOM.
http://www.defensemedianetwork.com/stories/combat-dragon-ii-demonstrates-ov-10g-bronco-capabilities/
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Now your talkin'
We did have a discussion a while back about 'em starting production of an up-dated OV10 again, although I have not checked to see if that has moved forwards. Whatever, its a damn fine aircraft.
Im also a big fan of the Pucara.
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It does look 'the business' but the OV10 is still the winna!
http://www.militaryfactory.com/aircraft/detail.asp?aircraft_id=147