Presumably this expansion is updated COnquest of the Aegean? Anyway, its to release today I think.
http://www.matrixgames.com/products/503/details/Command.Ops:.Battles.for.Greece
I guess it is about time to update COTA after HTTR.
Quote from: jomni on June 20, 2013, 09:27:31 AM
I guess it is about time to update COTA after HTTR.
Oh no. I'll have to buy this.
I'm looking forward to this. Excellent news.
CotA was an excellent area of operations for this game. I didn't think it would be and almost didn't buy it because of the theatre - but it turned out to be superb.
Yeah, I'm going to be looking at this. Can't wait!
Quote from: JudgeDredd on June 20, 2013, 10:39:25 AM
CotA was an excellent area of operations for this game. I didn't think it would be and almost didn't buy it because of the theatre - but it turned out to be superb.
Plus, I guess this will be an excuse to get the Battle of the Bulge ("basic game"). I was thinking about it. Now I'm thinking about it some more.
$10 discount if you have a serial number for COTA
Awesome!!!!
its only half COTA ;)
...there will be a second pack 'Mediterranean' which covers the other half of COTA, the Crete battles.
I think i wait for that one, i remember playing Crete and Africa more often
Actually, it's an update to BftB. The CotA reference was only there to point the way to the discount. Believe me, I learned all this the hard way.
Sorry what? It's NOT CotA? It seemed like the CotA list of scenarios to me. ???
Quote from: JudgeDredd on June 20, 2013, 01:04:59 PM
Sorry what? It's NOT CotA? It seemed like the CotA list of scenarios to me. ???
Sad. Crete was fun.
Anyway, I can just buy BftheB for now. Geez I haven't played a Bulge game in....a thankfully forgotten while...Oh how excited I will be (NOT) to see Pieper drive to Stavelot again and again and again and again. Or why not just kill him with an extra division from the great Allied OB editor in the sky? Oh, I don't think Jerry's going to be going anywhere much when I get through editing 3 times the US forces into any scenario I play. He won't need all that precious fuel when he's getting blown up on the start line. Fun can be so expensive in terms of the brief electric lives of elite pixelpanzertruppen.
Quote from: JudgeDredd on June 20, 2013, 01:04:59 PM
Sorry what? It's NOT CotA? It seemed like the CotA list of scenarios to me. ???
I think Bis means this is a port of CotA into the updated and excellent BftB engine. Like they did with HttR.
As I said, it's not CotA as CotA doesn't run under Win 7. There are no Crete scenarios; another add-on in coming as MikrGer said.
SPECIFICALLY this is an expansion pack for BFtB. You must own BftB first. But it's an expansion pack that ports half the missions of CotA. (They did the same thing with the Highway To The Reich missions a little while back, released as an expansion pack to BftB.)
Quote19 historical and what-if scenarios covering all of the major actions that took place during Operation Marita, the German invasion of Greece in 1941 as well as a few battles from the previous Italian invasion of Greece
o Battle of the Pindos Bases
o Blunting the Spear
o Charge of the Centaurs
o Cutting the Line
o Elasson Rearguard
o First Clash at Veve
o First Clean Break
o Foothills of the Gods
o Gamble and Scramble
o Intro 1 - Bridges to Lamia
o Intro 2 - Setback and Rebound
o Parachutes over Corinth
o Pindos Historical Campaign
o Pulling Tight the Noose
o Spartans at the Pass
o Springing the Trap
o Take the Pass
o Tanks at Platamon
o Tempe Gorge Crisis
o Tactical Exercise Brigade Day Attack
o Tactical Exercise Brigade Night Attack
Quote from: Bismarck on June 20, 2013, 01:17:08 PM
As I said, it's not CotA as CotA doesn't run under Win 7. There are no Crete scenarios; another add-on in coming as MikrGer said.
Huh? ... CotA runs fine under Windows 7.
Wee bit disappointed in the new 'Greece' addon. Lot of money, even with the CotA discount, for only 19 scenarios, .. when I have 32 scenarios, or 34 if you include the 2 Tutorial scenarios, .. in CotA.
.. now, .. if they had included all the CotA scenarios, that would be a different matter.
Cheers
Tom
Wouldn't run for me.
Quote from: Thomasew on June 21, 2013, 06:37:25 AM
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Wee bit disappointed in the new 'Greece' addon. Lot of money, even with the CotA discount, for only 19 scenarios, .. when I have 32 scenarios, or 34 if you include the 2 Tutorial scenarios, .. in CotA.
.. now, .. if they had included all the CotA scenarios, that would be a different matter.
Cheers
Tom
Agreed - but I couldn't help myself. I loved CoTA.
Quote from: Thomasew on June 21, 2013, 06:37:25 AM
Quote from: Bismarck on June 20, 2013, 01:17:08 PM
As I said, it's not CotA as CotA doesn't run under Win 7. There are no Crete scenarios; another add-on in coming as MikrGer said.
Huh? ... CotA runs fine under Windows 7.
Wee bit disappointed in the new 'Greece' addon. Lot of money, even with the CotA discount, for only 19 scenarios, .. when I have 32 scenarios, or 34 if you include the 2 Tutorial scenarios, .. in CotA.
.. now, .. if they had included all the CotA scenarios, that would be a different matter.
Cheers
Tom
I can understand at first glance why people may feel this way[it was my first reaction] but there has been a whole heap of changes under the hood. I played BFTB demo and then tried to go back to the original HTTR and i can't do it...HTTR is a fine game but the difference between then and now for the engine is like night and day. I'm just waiting for the other Pack to release and then i'm going to pick up the whole lot. It will be my one and only price be damned purchase of this year.
I'd agree that the engine upgrades in bftb are worth upgrading from the earlier games. However if a game is enjoyable I completely understand feeling no need to move to a new engine.
Value for game-play only Combat Mission comes close.
Easy and exciting purchase.
Playing Bulge as a staff exercise at Origins a couple years ago only made me appreciate this engine more. Its A.I. is as close as I've come to confronting the WOPR.
Best,
Jim
"Cyrano"
:/7)
P.S.: Can anyone direct me to a link with an update on the more tactical engine they were working on?
I think the only information on the tactic game is a few scattered post at matrix by ajurna. I haven't seen any official threads or news releases.
this was the only thing i could think that you might mean. It uses the command ops engine at a smaller scale.
http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=3117106
If anyone has this, can you look at the scenario listing please?
The product page mentions 21 scenarios, but I am only showing 19 in game and seem to be missing the two intro scenarios, Bridges to Lamia (which I loved) and Setback and Rebound
^^Well, according to the product page, those are part of the 19. ???
Quote from: -budd- on June 21, 2013, 12:26:43 PM
this was the only thing i could think that you might mean. It uses the command ops engine at a smaller scale.
http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=3117106
Release by Nov
2014! :o
Quote from: JasonPratt on June 21, 2013, 06:58:16 PM
^^Well, according to the product page, those are part of the 19. ???
That did confuse me...they say only 19 available, but in the list they had 21....I just assumed they weren't counting the 2 training scenarios as actual scenarios....
Quote from: JudgeDredd on June 21, 2013, 04:11:30 PM
If anyone has this, can you look at the scenario listing please?
The product page mentions 21 scenarios, but I am only showing 19 in game and seem to be missing the two intro scenarios, Bridges to Lamia (which I loved) and Setback and Rebound
They didn't show up for me neither....looks like false advertising:) Description says 19 comes with it, but the lists shows 21.
I really liked Bridges to Lamia :(
Quote from: JudgeDredd on June 22, 2013, 02:42:54 AM
I really liked Bridges to Lamia :(
I have a feeling they made a mistake on their product page, although even when they first introduced the game pack they even said the intros would be included....so maybe in the end just forgot to package them up....not sure. Although in this post it says 20 would come with it versus the 19 they now advertise everywhere....
http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=3310871
For me, as much as I enjoy the base game, $30 for 19 new scenarios is more than I want to pay. Not complaining, I respect their right to charge what they feel is necessary to make a profit, it's just that it is more than I want to spend. Hopefully this will be offered up during the Xmas holiday sales at a discount.
Someone responded at Matrix saying the two intro scenarios were left out on purpose....but said they would leave it to the developer to explain why....
...with the CotA owners discount its 1$ for one map, so why dont they just do the full DLC e-commerce step and offer each map for 1$ to old customers
and everbody can download those he liked most ...and maybe get hungry for more and buy some additional.
both map packs = the old CotA even with owners discount, its still 40$ = thats a full other game on the market price for a game that you already have in an old (and IIRC not to bad game expierince) version.
Quote from: MikeGER on June 22, 2013, 08:27:19 AM
...with the CotA owners discount its 1$ for one map, so why dont they just do the full DLC e-commerce step and offer each map for 1$ to old customers
and everbody can download those he liked most ...and maybe get hungry for more and buy some additional.
both map packs = the old CotA even with owners discount, its still 40$ = thats a full other game on the market price for a game that you already have in an old (and IIRC not to bad game expierince) version.
I would have liked to seen just one data pack (for $19/$29) to cover COTA scenarios instead of splitting into two...just makes it seem like a money grab. However, I did buy it since I like the series, but wasn't a no brainer as I thought it would be.
Quote from: MikeGER on June 22, 2013, 08:27:19 AM
...with the CotA owners discount its 1$ for one map, so why dont they just do the full DLC e-commerce step and offer each map for 1$ to old customers
and everbody can download those he liked most ...and maybe get hungry for more and buy some additional.
both map packs = the old CotA even with owners discount, its still 40$ = thats a full other game on the market price for a game that you already have in an old (and IIRC not to bad game expierince) version.
I've been a faithful consumer of the series so far but I really don't see a pressing need to buy an updated version that has less than half of the scenarios and - as you say - when I have an "old" version still provides a good gaming experience. Maybe some information will come out that will change my mind.
Quote from: Rayfer on June 22, 2013, 07:40:02 AM
For me, as much as I enjoy the base game, $30 for 19 new scenarios is more than I want to pay. Not complaining, I respect their right to charge what they feel is necessary to make a profit, it's just that it is more than I want to spend. Hopefully this will be offered up during the Xmas holiday sales at a discount.
I ended up buying Rise of Prussia. I think -- despite what I thought was a sudden interest in armored war -- I find boating seige mortars up the Elbe or Oder more entertaining. And Cheaper! I mean in terms of real money. Well, US dollars anyway.