I'm looking for recommendation of a game that has some complex diplomacy and espionage. Preferably a 4x or some type of empire building game. I looking for something similar to "Distant Worlds" model of espionage....obviously besides DW
Crusader Kings II is the first thing that comes to mind, but you may already have that.
I don't know of any 4x game that's done espionage good. DW is probably the most useful espionage system I've seen.
Another game to look at would be Vicky 2.
Birth of the Federation is a 4x that handles espionage at the strategic level. Damned Tal Shiar and Obsidian order seemed quite effective as I recall. Basically stealing research, sabotaging your projects, destroying your ships, and giving credits to your enemies to use against you was how it worked. I think giving orders for doing your own espionage was rather vague and consisted more of giving resources to bolster effectiveness.
Yeah, I have CK2. Espionage is basically just assassinations basically. Have not tried Birth of a federation. I'm in the mood for a civ/eu style empire builder but I want some in depth espionage like DW. Oh well
Quote from: mikeck on June 23, 2013, 10:40:53 AM
I'm looking for recommendation of a game that has some complex diplomacy and espionage. Preferably a 4x or some type of empire building game. I looking for something similar to "Distant Worlds" model of espionage....obviously besides DW
Imperium Galactica II: Alliances or Galactic Civilizations are the two IMHO best 4x (space) espionage and diplomacy models that I have played about with, if the IGII espionage and the GC diplomacy could be merged into DW I would be a very happy camper.
Darkspire
Blood Bowl!!!
Sorry, I'm on a Blood Bowl kick as of late. :)
For me it would be Alpha Centauri with the Alien Crossfire expansion. Both at GoG.com right now!
Not a bad idea..can't remember, did AC have deep espionage? In remember having spies but not what you could do with them
Does SMAC from GOG work on windows 7? I keep seeing threads about peoe having to add lines of code or change compatibility modes, etc
Yeah, it works. Changing the config.ini file is easy and we can help you with that! Also, there's an unofficial patch (http://alphacentauri2.info/index.php?action=downloads;cat=2)that corrects a lot of bugs in the original game and it's still being updated.
Ok. I am going to grab it. How do I edit the file?
Also, can I run it at any resolution or I stuck with 1999 resolutions?
Quote from: mikeck on June 23, 2013, 10:40:53 AM
I'm looking for recommendation of a game that has some complex diplomacy and espionage. Preferably a 4x or some type of empire building game.
IIRC these are called women.
Quote from: mikeck on June 23, 2013, 06:28:43 PM
Ok. I am going to grab it. How do I edit the file?
Also, can I run it at any resolution or I stuck with 1999 resolutions?
Go to your
Sid Meier's Alpha Centauri directory and open
Alpha Centauri.ini. Set
DirectDraw=0 and the game should run at your current screen resolution. Make sure you put it above the [PREFERENCES] line.
In the Shogun 2 thread we've been talking about how fun the agents are to use for assassination, spying and general skullduggery. Not sure if you have S2 already though.
Yes I do Gus, thank you. While I like the agents, they are somewhat limited to telling me the size of an army, opening gates and assassination. Kind of wanted a game where I could really get involved with diplomacy and spies and such. I'm giving SMAC a try as I can't really remember much about it
Quote from: reapagan on June 23, 2013, 12:28:26 PM
Birth of the Federation is a 4x that handles espionage at the strategic level. Damned Tal Shiar and Obsidian order seemed quite effective as I recall. Basically stealing research, sabotaging your projects, destroying your ships, and giving credits to your enemies to use against you was how it worked. I think giving orders for doing your own espionage was rather vague and consisted more of giving resources to bolster effectiveness.
Welcome to Grogheads,
reapagan!
Although I now enjoy newer ones like
Distant Worlds and
Armada 2526,
Birth of the Federation has long been my favorite 4x title, one that I recommend to anyone who likes both Star Trek and strategy games.
However, from what
mikeck has said, I don't think BOTF's espionage & diplomacy system has anywhere near the depth he's looking for. It's enjoyable for other reasons, but the game's intel system is pretty simplistic.
Distant worlds has the best espionage system I think. Stealing tech, sabotaging ships, blowing up bases, deep cover, stealing operations maps, assassination, etc. oh we'll. so many 4x's give short shrift to the diplomacy part
Quote from: mikeck on June 23, 2013, 03:58:22 PM
Does SMAC from GOG work on windows 7? I keep seeing threads about peoe having to add lines of code or change compatibility modes, etc
I had no problem running the GOG version on my ultrabook. Didn't need to modify anything at all. But perhaps I was one of the lucky ones?