I didn't have high hopes for World War Z, but I thought it might be a fun way to end a rough day at work.
However, when the Antonov AN-12 (with American markings and paint scheme) launched from a Nimitz class carrier, turned into a C-130 in the air, flew 7000 miles without refueling, and turned back into an AN-12 to land...refueled in 30 seconds and flew another 5000 miles (without refueling) I knew the rest of the movie was not going to go well.
I don't understand how they can spend millions to hire Brad Pitt, but not spend a few grand to hire a Groghead to tell them what plane goes where and for how far... Then if your CGI'ing an AN-12, why swap the in air scenes to some stock footage of a C-130?
I'm a geek, and I know it...but things like that can really make a bad movie worse, or a good movie better.
This is a King Tiger....
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According to the Battle of the Bulge movie.... :P
The Battle of the Bugle? They should have moved the reverie time from 5am to 6am and not use a bugle. That was what the battle was about. ;D
But seriously even at 10 years old, which is how old I was when I first saw Battle of the Bulge, I was Grog enough to know that the tanks in that movie were not King Tigers. Still I thought and still do think that that was a good movie. 8)
Quote from: W8taminute on June 27, 2013, 09:29:03 AM
The Battle of the Bugle? They should have moved the reverie time from 5am to 6am and not use a bugle. That was what the battle was about. ;D
But seriously even at 10 years old, which is how old I was when I first saw Battle of the Bulge, I was Grog enough to know that the tanks in that movie were not King Tigers. Still I thought and still do think that that was a good movie. 8)
Typing too fast.... fixed it...
Yeah it's not a bad movie..... but still....
Hate to say it, but the fake Tigers alone ruined the movie for me....you might as well have put the actors in a cardboard box and made them chant "clank, clank, I'm a tank". Stuff like this is one reason to appreciate good cgi/special effects in modern movies. Unless, of course, the folks making the show don't know one from another either, like Republic points out :P
See I have a problem with CGI military hardware. For one it looks so cartoony and cheesy I'd rather have an actor dressed up as a cardboard tank running around going vrooom vrooom pow pow.
Remember 'Enemy at the Gates'? I puked my intestines bile out when I saw the CGI He 111 and Pz IV Ausf D's in the movie. They didn't use the Ausf D by 1942, unless the unit didn't receive it's upgrades yet. I doubt the movie makers were trying to realistically portray logistics though. Then the CGI bombers that I mention looked like Han Solo flying the Kessel Run in less than 10 parsecs.
"Migs" from Top Gun...... :o
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^Oh God, I know! Another great example.
At least they made it a purely fictional MIG-28 and didn't try to pass it off as a real type.
Does anyone know what the Firefox actually was from that movie?
Quote from: republic on June 27, 2013, 08:55:36 AMI don't understand how they can spend millions to hire Brad Pitt, but not spend a few grand to hire a Groghead to tell them what plane goes where and for how far... Then if your CGI'ing an AN-12, why swap the in air scenes to some stock footage of a C-130?
Because spending the $5k to bring in a grog to consult on equipment won't translate into a $5k+ return at the box office.
Quote from: bayonetbrant on June 27, 2013, 09:55:35 AM
Does anyone know what the Firefox actually was from that movie?
A model? Don't remember it looking like an actual plane flying.....
Quote from: bayonetbrant on June 27, 2013, 09:55:35 AM
Does anyone know what the Firefox actually was from that movie?
totally fictonal. IIRC it was called a Mig-31 before we knew that they already had a Mig-31.
Quote from: GDS_Starfury on June 27, 2013, 10:02:31 AM
Quote from: bayonetbrant on June 27, 2013, 09:55:35 AM
Does anyone know what the Firefox actually was from that movie?
totally fictonal. IIRC it was called a Mig-31 before we knew that they already had a Mig-31.
I know it was a fictional plane. I'm asking what the actual aircraft was that they used in the scenes with the "Firefox," like in the hangar when he steals the plane, or when they're refueling on the submarine.
I cant find and screen grabs.
Quote from: bayonetbrant on June 27, 2013, 10:07:40 AM
Quote from: GDS_Starfury on June 27, 2013, 10:02:31 AM
Quote from: bayonetbrant on June 27, 2013, 09:55:35 AM
Does anyone know what the Firefox actually was from that movie?
totally fictonal. IIRC it was called a Mig-31 before we knew that they already had a Mig-31.
I know it was a fictional plane. I'm asking what the actual aircraft was that they used in the scenes with the "Firefox," like in the hangar when he steals the plane, or when they're refueling on the submarine.
Just mockups.
From Wikipedia:
QuoteFor filming, four large-scale replicas were created, along with one full-size model that had dimensions of 66 feet long, 44 feet wide, and 20 feet high. The full-size model was built from a radio station broadcast-antenna skeleton and was capable of taxiing at 30–40 mph.
Mi-24 Hinds from Red Dawn and Rambo 2-3
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^^^ those are Puma's
Who is Puma and why does he own fake Hinds?
Quote from: GDS_Starfury on June 27, 2013, 11:13:41 AM
^^^ those are Puma's
Yep. Not bad fakes really. The one from Red Dawn (top pic) makes for a convincing A-model Mi-24.
I'm working on a game, set in 1919 in Alaska, and I came on here to ask you guys a couple months ago what airplane I should use.
Decided to go with the Curtiss N-9H (seaplane variant). It was a trainer used in WW1, so many survived the war and they became the most numerous civilian aircraft after the war.
So...yeah...people should come on here and ask you guys what is historically accurate / appropriate :)
I never thought of that. If they'd just ask, lots of organizations would help out for next to nothing.
We should have a Grogheads Production Studio, free steaks and/or desserts to all those who help with movie realism.
It used to be almost an art form to bash together a mechanically operable stand-in for a rare or nonexistent piece of military hardware. Look at the Tiger 1 stand-ins used in Kelly's Heroes, based on (oh, the irony!) the hull of a T-34. The Zekes used in Tora! Tora! Tora! (and many subsequent movies, as well as Baa Baa Black sheep/ Black Sheep Squadron) were based on NA T-6 Harvard trainers. CGI has made these kinds of labors of love irrelevant and yet it does not satisfy.
By way of comparison, the original shark animatronic used in Jaws, balky as it was to use during filming, was more scary than any CGI shark I have ever seen on screen. It had a heaviness of presence that has not been duplicated.
^Excellent points Stagger and those reasons are precisely why CGI military hardware looks much more fake than the real live models that are dressed up to look like something else. At least to me anyway.
Quote from: Barthheart on June 27, 2013, 09:00:42 AM
This is a King Tiger....
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According to the Battle of the Bulge movie.... :P
Spanish Army M-47's - not a bad substitution IMO.
Quote from: mirth on June 27, 2013, 10:47:16 AM
Mi-24 Hinds from Red Dawn and Rambo 2-3
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Red Dawn actually went to a lot of effort to put apparently accurate equipment in the movie. The Puma above is actually a pretty good attempt at a Mi-24 Hind A variant: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7c/Mil_Mi-24A_Hind.jpg