Interesting...just saw this in their forum.
http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=3368558
Looks like they are finally going to hexes!
Quote from: airboy on July 22, 2013, 03:35:48 PM
Looks like they are finally going to hexes!
Amen! I like the series but have wished they would have gone with hexes. Good news.
Good.
Quote from: airboy on July 22, 2013, 03:35:48 PM
Looks like they are finally going to hexes!
.. and Good!
And no painful DRM, and hopefully PBEM+ .... Wouldn't be surprised if a tablet version wasn't in the works also. The screenshots look pretty alpha, but I can't wait to get back to a more traditional map.
Quote from: Rayfer on July 22, 2013, 03:45:36 PM
Quote from: airboy on July 22, 2013, 03:35:48 PM
Looks like they are finally going to hexes!
Amen! I like the series but have wished they would have gone with hexes. Good news.
Except for those screenshots are eye-bleedingly dog ugly! Surely that represented just an initial "no terrain on the map" version?
I wish they would've done this before publishing SC:WWI. :-[
This is good news. I hadn't bought a game in that series since Strategic Command: European Theater (http://www.mobygames.com/game/strategic-command-european-theater) back in 2002 due to Battlefront's DRM.
Yes, hopefully this is an early alpha version. I'd like to see the little tank, infantry and plane pictures go away (those are easy enough to mod usually) but I would also like to see stacking added to the game and I wish that they wouldn't use that "tiled" image display for the map. Many games use either single image maps or sections of map that piece together in the program and so that makes for modding heaven. You can't do much when you only have a dozen or so varieties of the coastline to work with and it all looks very, well...."tiled".
All that aside, the interesting note is as mentioned; that the game publisher is moving to Matrix/Slitherine. They are slowly but surely absorbing many other programmers/designers into their fold. I'm not sure that is such a great thing for the community or not, however much it is that I do like Matrix as a company and their non-DRM practices. I don't like not being able to recover old installers for several games that I have purchased from them as they simply don't make them available after their support period expires though.
Quote from: Greybriar on July 22, 2013, 04:41:58 PM
This is good news. I hadn't bought a game in that series since Strategic Command: European Theater (http://www.mobygames.com/game/strategic-command-european-theater) back in 2002 due to Battlefront's DRM.
No more DRM/license crap and a new graphic look, sounds good.
Some nice new games coming up...
Why should i get SC3 if i play Strategic War in Europe, Time of Fury and Strategic Command: Europe Theater (GOG)?
Quote from: Anguille on July 23, 2013, 03:42:04 AM
Some nice new games coming up...
Why should i get SC3 if i play Strategic War in Europe, Time of Fury and Strategic Command: Europe Theater (GOG)?
that is a good question - i have strategic command european theater and sc3 looks like it would just be similar to that. Strategic war in europe is cheap at gamersgate also. How many times is the same game redone? thats a rhetorical question perhaps, but less rhetorical is the question why we like to buy them all despite the similarities - just for collections sake and for comparison or are we searching for something? a perfect game with perfect ai and the like? There would be though already hundreds if not thousands of perfect games in existence.
There seems to be only a few particular wars that are given attention and that need not be so however, all the history of the world is full of wars and battles and campaigns, and many which have been sorely overlooked. Its great that the first world war has finally been given attention finally and the Franco Prussian war - i dont have SC WW1 but i would like to get it because it looks to be quite good. Ageod were great also to do Rise of Prussia as not enough attention has been given to that period either.
So will SC 3 do something new altogether? I have only played SC 1 - was SC2 different in its design?
What is the problem with Battlefront DRM? I have never bought anything from them so am curious to know
Quote from: agathosdaimon on July 23, 2013, 05:33:47 AM
How many times is the same game redone?
I was sooo happy to see them do a WWI game.
Been hoping they'd do something else besides yet another WWII version, but that's probably the case once again. ::) S'ok.. I got my WWI fix. At least future buyers won't have to deal with the limited activation DRM.
Quote from: agathosdaimon on July 23, 2013, 05:33:47 AM
Quote from: Anguille on July 23, 2013, 03:42:04 AM
Some nice new games coming up...
Why should i get SC3 if i play Strategic War in Europe, Time of Fury and Strategic Command: Europe Theater (GOG)?
What is the problem with Battlefront DRM? I have never bought anything from them so am curious to know
You only get a limited number of initial activations, say 5, and then a new one every year. You can't unlicensed it before making a hardware change or something else what would invalidate the current license, so you could burn through them if you tinker much with your machine. That said, I've never heard of a legit customer that got shut out of their games. Battlefront support will generally help them out. That said, if they decide you're a pirate, you're screwed.
I noticed that there are some screenies of Civil War II and Brother Against Brother. I'm really worried about the look of Civil War II. It looks a bit too cartoony to me, something like the original version of Colonization. :(
But Brother Against Brother looks to be a nice follow up to Forge of Freedom!
Quote from: smittyohio on July 23, 2013, 12:08:23 PM
Quote from: agathosdaimon on July 23, 2013, 05:33:47 AM
Quote from: Anguille on July 23, 2013, 03:42:04 AM
Some nice new games coming up...
Why should i get SC3 if i play Strategic War in Europe, Time of Fury and Strategic Command: Europe Theater (GOG)?
What is the problem with Battlefront DRM? I have never bought anything from them so am curious to know
You only get a limited number of initial activations, say 5, and then a new one every year. You can't unlicensed it before making a hardware change or something else what would invalidate the current license, so you could burn through them if you tinker much with your machine. That said, I've never heard of a legit customer that got shut out of their games. Battlefront support will generally help them out. That said, if they decide you're a pirate, you're screwed.
Battlefront can go to the devil. I bought SC2 from them in a bundle pack. While it did not have the idiotic DRM I can't get any updates. I have tried multiple times to get some help from support and I am roundly ignored. I understand that there is an arguement that if you buy the cheepo bundle pack you should be happy and go away but they do not put the "lack of support" in any sort of written warning before you buy the game.
GO MATRIX!
Hi Forum members, my name is Claus, i live in Bremen / Germany and this is my first post here.
And i'm glad that it is about SC3.
I play SC since SC1, and i 've never had any issues with the DRM, no matter which one Battlefront used. Even though i love distributer like GOG, where no game has DRM, i have no problems to accept humane ones, like those used for the SC games. Having said that, i should add that i'm a beta tester since SC Global Conflict.
But that is not why i post here.
I just wanted to confirm that the screenshots you saw are from a very, VERY early alpha version. From what i know the only sure thing you can learn from them is that SC3 will return to hexes (hooray!), and SC3 will be released some time in the future, published from Matrix Games instead of Battlefront.
Having said that, i can provied a link where you can see some more pictures, even one without 3D units, just as an example what SC3 could look like as well:
http://www.gamersglobal.de/galerie/73493 (http://www.gamersglobal.de/galerie/73493)
Thanks for posting the links Xwormwood, and just to confirm to everyone that those screenshots really are very early versions. But already you can see that we are planning more than one way of representing the units.
There'll be much more to come too, it'll be much more than just SC2 with hexes! :)
Quote from: Bill101 on July 23, 2013, 02:46:06 PM
Thanks for posting the links Xwormwood, and just to confirm to everyone that those screenshots really are very early versions. But already you can see that we are planning more than one way of representing the units.
There'll be much more to come too, it'll be much more than just SC2 with hexes! :)
Thanks, Bill. I can't wait to see what emerges :)
Quote from: smittyohio on July 23, 2013, 12:08:23 PM
Quote from: agathosdaimon on July 23, 2013, 05:33:47 AM
Quote from: Anguille on July 23, 2013, 03:42:04 AM
Some nice new games coming up...
Why should i get SC3 if i play Strategic War in Europe, Time of Fury and Strategic Command: Europe Theater (GOG)?
What is the problem with Battlefront DRM? I have never bought anything from them so am curious to know
You only get a limited number of initial activations, say 5, and then a new one every year. You can't unlicensed it before making a hardware change or something else what would invalidate the current license, so you could burn through them if you tinker much with your machine. That said, I've never heard of a legit customer that got shut out of their games. Battlefront support will generally help them out. That said, if they decide you're a pirate, you're screwed.
+1. I agree with Smitty, save to say that I've never had a problem with Battlefront support. Whenever I've screwed up an activation, they've helped out. As Smitty says you get an additional activation each year, but support are very reasonable if they think you're genuine.
I've never had problems with Battlefront and have a good working relationship with them and Hubert (I've boosted him alot) I'd still like to know why Fury switched.
I guess we're all kind of curious about this.
I presume that it has to do somehting with how much (or little) Battlefront was able or willing to promote SC3, and / or to help with iOS conversions.
If i read correctly, than Slitherine earns pretty, pretty well with their iOS conversions, and Slitherine apprears to be some kind of pioneer when it comes to introduce high quality wargames into the mobile / Apple world.
So it is probably only simple math, because I guess that is where i would move too if Iwould have the chance to negotiate my nearer future (if i would be in Huberts shoes).
Maybe Hubert can re-do Commander: Napoleon at War.
Quote from: Bismarck on July 24, 2013, 01:56:12 PM
Maybe Hubert can re-do Commander: Napoleon at War.
That would be cool. ;D
Quote from: Bismarck on July 24, 2013, 12:35:41 PM
I've never had problems with Battlefront and have a good working relationship with them and Hubert (I've boosted him alot) I'd still like to know why Fury switched.
+1. I'm curious too.
Here's a link to an interview with Hubert Cater that seems to explain the reason for the switch.
http://www.wargamer.com/article/3393/event-coverage-matrix-press-conference-the-wargamer-review-(part-3) (http://www.wargamer.com/article/3393/event-coverage-matrix-press-conference-the-wargamer-review-(part-3))
Quote from: Al on July 24, 2013, 08:41:12 PM
Here's a link to an interview with Hubert Cater that seems to explain the reason for the switch.
http://www.wargamer.com/article/3393/event-coverage-matrix-press-conference-the-wargamer-review-(part-3) (http://www.wargamer.com/article/3393/event-coverage-matrix-press-conference-the-wargamer-review-(part-3))
Answers my questions. Thanks.
I guess this will spell the end of the Matrix/Slitherine Commander Series, which was a direct competitor to the SC. It sure looks like a big win for Hubert Cater, his main competitor goes away and his software is no longer bundled with a bad DRM/license system.
Quote from: SgtRock on July 25, 2013, 11:26:25 AM
I guess this will spell the end of the Matrix/Slitherine Commander Series, which was a direct competitor to the SC. It sure looks like a big win for Hubert Cater, his main competitor goes away and his software is no longer bundled with a bad DRM/license system.
Don't think so. The Lordz has worked hard on the engine and they said they had plans for other games with the new engine.
Cheers
I though Hubert Cater was going to be working with Lordz?
Quote from: xwormwood on July 24, 2013, 12:46:01 PM
I guess we're all kind of curious about this.
I presume that it has to do somehting with how much (or little) Battlefront was able or willing to promote SC3, and / or to help with iOS conversions.
If i read correctly, than Slitherine earns pretty, pretty well with their iOS conversions, and Slitherine apprears to be some kind of pioneer when it comes to introduce high quality wargames into the mobile / Apple world.
So it is probably only simple math, because I guess that is where i would move too if Iwould have the chance to negotiate my nearer future (if i would be in Huberts shoes).
Welcome wormwood! I think that I have read a Strategic Command AAR you were involved with?!?
Quote from: SgtRock on July 25, 2013, 11:26:25 AM
I guess this will spell the end of the Matrix/Slitherine Commander Series, which was a direct competitor to the SC. It sure looks like a big win for Hubert Cater, his main competitor goes away and his software is no longer bundled with a bad DRM/license system.
I think there is more than enough room for both, how many of us have bought only ONE Eastern Front or Ancients game ?
P.S. never had any problem with the Battlefront DRM myself.
Quote from: airboy on July 25, 2013, 03:57:31 PM
Welcome wormwood! I think that I have read a Strategic Command AAR you were involved with?!?
Thank you airboy, and yes, once i was part of an official AAR about SC WW1.
:)
But you even wrote an entire review about this game, am I right?
Screens of the game
(https://www.grogheads.com/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.slitherine.com%2Ffiles%2Fhistoricon%2Fsc3%2FSC3-Symbols.jpg&hash=469514defd119c6cc91b2fba1d6e4a2c77dabc30)
(https://www.grogheads.com/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fstatic.blog4ever.com%2F2013%2F08%2F749086%2FSCREEN.PNG&hash=5d7367358c3bef0cfac5002a0383ce7202ed28b3)
Other graph solution for counters of SC3 : the "old classic boardgame" look
(https://www.grogheads.com/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fstatic.blog4ever.com%2F2013%2F08%2F749086%2FCounters.PNG&hash=4149130200237e31c175fa2e8fa539cf3fa295d7)