I have the Vanilla, Rise of the Samurai and Fall of the Samurai.... currently in a Vanilla campaign and have become very bored with it.... to my understanding the best campaign to play is the Fall of the Samurai? I am loosing interest as of now with my current campaign....
PE
FOTS is my favorite TW campagn.
I enjoyed it!
Quote from: Gusington on August 05, 2013, 11:10:32 AM
FOTS is my favorite TW campagn.
But does it make your loins wet?
FOTS Did not make my loins wet though it did make my Samurai rise before it fell again. I mean-- they-- fell again. In my humble... great campaign but poor battle AI. It just comes right at you on offense or defense regardless of the numbers. Unless the visibility is poor(fog or snow) or your general defects, you can set-up a shooting gallery kind of defense and the AI will come right in. This can still be a challenge and the AI will sometimes break your forces with their charge but the tactics usually don't vary much. Naval battles, the AI will sit with it's broadside to you and not move until you're in range. I split my ships and go for each flank and then the AI has to move to counter you. I never ran into or built any torpedo boats and this could alter things a whole lot.
Quote from: Sir Slash on August 05, 2013, 01:49:17 PM
FOTS Did not make my loins wet though it did make my Samurai rise before it fell again. I mean-- they-- fell again. In my humble... great campaign but poor battle AI. It just comes right at you on offense or defense regardless of the numbers. Unless the visibility is poor(fog or snow) or your general defects, you can set-up a shooting gallery kind of defense and the AI will come right in. This can still be a challenge and the AI will sometimes break your forces with their charge but the tactics usually don't vary much. Naval battles, the AI will sit with it's broadside to you and not move until you're in range. I split my ships and go for each flank and then the AI has to move to counter you. I never ran into or built any torpedo boats and this could alter things a whole lot.
I think that is it, the battle AI is just the same thing over and over and the lack of variety hurts. Have never focused on my navy...... unfortunately, I think I will shelve this one for now. I am still at a wait and see for RTW II so I will be holding off any purchase. I have plenty of other things on my list and for now this one is going back :-\
PE
I have seen the FOTS AI use tactics on occasion, but not regulalry.. And using small torpedo boats occasionally mixes things up navalwise unless you're going against a much more better equipped foe. I have had single torpedo boats blasted out of the water by one shot from an ironclad. Spectacular, but crappy to be on the receiving end of.
Artillery seems very strong in this game.. absolutely deadly.. compared to Empire and Napoleon..
In all the TW games, the must fun is always in the battles where the enemy greatly outnumbers you.
I like that there is land in some of the sea battles, but it doesn't really affect anything. Shore Batteries are cool.
I don't know if they are in Vanilla or not, but the Geisha's are rough.. you keep going into battles and having General's change sides on you. By the end of the Game I would just assassinate all Geisha's asap!..
^Yeah you're right about the arty, Tuna. I would guess its mainly due to it being mostly rifled rather than smoothbore.
As for the Geisha's - shoot on sight - they are a pain in the butt! ;)
One of my favorite components is off shore naval support of land battles. The deck guns really make the player feel like a god. An evil, artillery shell flinging god.
You forgot to add the 'MWHAHAHA'
As an evil artillery shell flinging god, I would great you with a simple 'hiya' as my Gramps did...and he actually was in the artillery:)
I didn't mean to turn you off PE. It's still a great campaign. And even though the battle AI isn't great, the campaign AI can be very good especially at higher difficulty levels and the Realm Divide is a lot more friendly. Echo the agents importance. They can turn the tide in a campaign or ensure victory. And... get sweet revenge on those traitor, bastard generals.
yet to do FOTS, still working thru vanilla - looking at calendar, looking at FOTS, looking at calendar, looking at FOTS - Rome is imminent
Quote from: Sir Slash on August 05, 2013, 03:20:12 PM
I didn't mean to turn you off PE. It's still a great campaign. And even though the battle AI isn't great, the campaign AI can be very good especially at higher difficulty levels and the Realm Divide is a lot more friendly. Echo the agents importance. They can turn the tide in a campaign or ensure victory. And... get sweet revenge on those traitor, bastard generals.
I don't think you did, just identified the reason I am really like *meh with the game. I may give it another go with a FoTS campaign, but I found the vanilla just to bland and boring even though I have it at a higher difficulty. I guess I played so much RTW that I am use to the variety of units etc.... in the end the vanilla campaign just feels too repetitive....
PE
All TW games are repetitive.
Quote from: jomni on August 05, 2013, 09:44:08 PM
All TW games are repetitive.
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I am ready for my assault on Kyoto in my Shogun 2 campaign. Any tips? :)
Bring lots of men. Kyoto is a bear in a cave to take. If you have more than one army attacking, attack from different directions. The AI will sometimes split it's attention almost entirely on the greatest danger and ignore your 2nd force allowing it to scale the walls more easily. Banzai!.
I brought lots of men to my assault on the Shogun's castle, 2 half strength armies and 1 full army that had 3 seige engines. There was 1 Shogunate army in Kyoto and another outside. At the start of the turn I was actually facing 3 full Shogunate armies but was able to sucker one army into engaging one of my armies (1 star general vs my 2 star general) and wiped it out at a cost of about 25% of my troops.
I started the assault by knocking out 3 towers, 3 outer gates and one inner gate by bombardment. A large number of defending archers were also killed during the bombardment. The Shogunate army outside the castle made a run to get inside but then foolishly tried to take out my seige engines and got badly mauled in the process. Then I moved up my archers with infantry protection and started to reduce the number of defending troops. Once my arrow supply was exhausted my infantry assaulted through 3 different gates and in hard fighting gained the upper hand. "My lord, a glorious victory will soon be yours" was music to my ears, the end of a long campaign was in sight...at which point horrors of horrors my game crashed! Argh!!!
Now I have to do it all again from my last save. Hopefully turning down some details fix the crashing problem.
Oh yeah. Forgot to mention-- the game cheats like my ex-wife. Or it could be if you win, the game has to commit suicide. It's an honor thing.
Game crash?? Shamefur dispray!!
I always like the line when your ships run out of movement, "Droop Anchor".
That like when you do something really bad in a FPS and you tell your friends on TeamSpeak "My mouse hit the keyboard"!
Quote from: Shelldrake on August 07, 2013, 09:24:06 PM
I brought lots of men to my assault on the Shogun's castle, 2 half strength armies and 1 full army that had 3 seige engines. There was 1 Shogunate army in Kyoto and another outside. At the start of the turn I was actually facing 3 full Shogunate armies but was able to sucker one army into engaging one of my armies (1 star general vs my 2 star general) and wiped it out at a cost of about 25% of my troops.
I started the assault by knocking out 3 towers, 3 outer gates and one inner gate by bombardment. A large number of defending archers were also killed during the bombardment. The Shogunate army outside the castle made a run to get inside but then foolishly tried to take out my seige engines and got badly mauled in the process. Then I moved up my archers with infantry protection and started to reduce the number of defending troops. Once my arrow supply was exhausted my infantry assaulted through 3 different gates and in hard fighting gained the upper hand. "My lord, a glorious victory will soon be yours" was music to my ears, the end of a long campaign was in sight...at which point horrors of horrors my game crashed! Argh!!!
Now I have to do it all again from my last save. Hopefully turning down some details fix the crashing problem.
I tried the battle again with reduced settings and got the crash again so decided to let the game advance a season and try the assault again. This time the game didn't crash and I handily took Kyoto with minimal casualties - got to love those siege engines and samauri archers! I managed to hold on to Kyoto for the required year and was declared Shogun with a couple of months to spare in the Hojo campaign. Sure is nice to win this after having the game hand me my @$$ in a number of previous attempts! :) Next run through will be FOTS using the same Darthmod.
Congrats! I hope to win Shogun 2 one day...
Well done Shell. Way to show that damned game you're not going to roll-over and give up. Hojo's everywhere celebrate your victory.