Been trying to learn ILS landings for the big jet's (cause I can't land them otherwise).. Watched a few good YouTube tutorials, but now I'm stumped.
Everything seems to be going well.. till I get to the Final Approach.. I change to NAV, I'm hitting the cone.. I hit APP.. it keeps the heading correct, but doesn't seem to go into the Glide Path.. so I just fly straight over the runway?
At first I thought maybe I had to descend to a lower altitude to get the glide slope to kick in, but that didn't work either..
Call me daft, but I thought you still had to fly in manually with ILS...no?
I thought the ILS was just a "guide" and you flew in - not an autopilot thing
I believe you can set it up, so that it brings you in and you takeover at the last second before touch down..
I can land the small planes no problem on my own.. even the B-17 I bought (that bird flies very nice)..
But the Passenger Jet's no- way!
LOL, maybe I need to get my CDS fixed and go back to my Warthog!
Well thinking about your question and what you mentioned, I actually have never flown jets in MSFS - so they may well have some autopilot ILS.
I only really fly Cessnas and I'm pretty sure those wee birds are all manual and the ILS is a guide.
When my company takes off in Air Hauler (and I have to fly the damn thing to make money!) then I will progress to jets - eventually
Which A/C are you flying? You need to be within a certain altitude (depends on airport) to intercept the localizer and if you are above the capture altitude you will not capture it and instead fly over.
You should capture the localizer first, meaning that before the intercept point I engage the APP (at the correct altitude and GPS is set to NAV at that point, before intercept)... once you have made the intercept and are on short final the A/P will will capture the glideslope and you will begin your decent onto the runway. If it is not an auto-land, usually around 200ft you will need to disengage the A/P and manual from there.
If I fly Boeing I always disengage the Auto-throttle on final....
PE
737... I knew I would have to disengage the Auto Throttle, but I didn't get to that point..
I lowered myself to 2500.. do I have to go a lot lower?
I have noticed that some ILS' will not have the altitude part of the glide slope turned on until you get nearer the airport. In other words, your aircraft will intercept the ILS direction a fair distance from the airport and fly in the correct direction, but the altitude marker or glide slope will not activate until you get closer to the airport.
I sometimes have to turn off and then back on the APP button once the glide slide marker comes on otherwise the aircraft will not follow the glide slope down.
Tuna, ATC should tell you what altitude you should capture the ILS.
Yeah, no, I just keep flying strait over the airport at the same altitude as when I turn on APP...
Is there a switch for 'landing' or something that I'm missing?
Again.. I'm not looking to auto.. will take over at the last minute, but surprised the glide slope doesn't engage, since I see it happen on videos..
Quote from: Tuna on August 22, 2013, 10:51:52 AM
737... I knew I would have to disengage the Auto Throttle, but I didn't get to that point..
I lowered myself to 2500.. do I have to go a lot lower?
That is a good rule of thumb, however usually the ATC will vector to the localizer if flying IFR. Airports are different and you can search for the approach plates to get the correct altitude.... but 2500 should work. Also if you are not vectored in by ATC make sure you are approaching at the correct distance.
Just a basic checklist
before approaching/intercepting the localizer:
1. GPS/NAV is set to NAV
2. ILS Freq set in NAV 1
3. CRS is configured correctly if needed
3. APP is engaged
4. At Correct altitude
5. Slow to around 200 ~ 180 knots
6. Flap configuration is set correctly
Once the A/C captures the localizer and turns toward the runway the A/P will capture the glideslope and direct you onto the runway.
PE
Land it manually ya woose!
Quote from: PanzersEast on August 22, 2013, 11:02:54 AM
Quote from: Tuna on August 22, 2013, 10:51:52 AM
737... I knew I would have to disengage the Auto Throttle, but I didn't get to that point..
I lowered myself to 2500.. do I have to go a lot lower?
That is a good rule of thumb, however usually the ATC will vector to the localizer if flying IFR. Airports are different and you can search for the approach plates to get the correct altitude.... but 2500 should work. Also if you are not vectored in by ATC make sure you are approaching at the correct distance.
Just a basic checklist
before approaching/intercepting the localizer:
1. GPS/NAV is set to NAV
2. ILS Freq set in NAV 1
3. CRS is configured correctly if needed
3. APP is engaged
4. At Correct altitude
5. Slow to around 200 ~ 180 knots
6. Flap configuration is set correctly
PE
Hmm.. I didn't contact the ATC, I just got the frequency and heading off the map.. maybe that's the issue?
What is CRS?
LOL.. maybe I'll have to get you on TS some night so you can 'teach' me.. does MS Flight Simulator allow MP in the same plane?
Quote from: Tuna on August 22, 2013, 11:06:39 AM
Quote from: PanzersEast on August 22, 2013, 11:02:54 AM
Quote from: Tuna on August 22, 2013, 10:51:52 AM
737... I knew I would have to disengage the Auto Throttle, but I didn't get to that point..
I lowered myself to 2500.. do I have to go a lot lower?
That is a good rule of thumb, however usually the ATC will vector to the localizer if flying IFR. Airports are different and you can search for the approach plates to get the correct altitude.... but 2500 should work. Also if you are not vectored in by ATC make sure you are approaching at the correct distance.
Just a basic checklist
before approaching/intercepting the localizer:
1. GPS/NAV is set to NAV
2. ILS Freq set in NAV 1
3. CRS is configured correctly if needed
3. APP is engaged
4. At Correct altitude
5. Slow to around 200 ~ 180 knots
6. Flap configuration is set correctly
PE
Hmm.. I didn't contact the ATC, I just got the frequency and heading off the map.. maybe that's the issue?
What is CRS?
LOL.. maybe I'll have to get you on TS some night so you can 'teach' me.. does MS Flight Simulator allow MP in the same plane?
CRS is the ILS course heading of the runway. This will need to be configured correctly in order to land the plane. ILS HDG
(https://www.grogheads.com/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.zenophotos.com%2FArticles%2FVor_Ils%2F004.jpg&hash=9086e38ad0173533b5e8eefa93355197e2273775)
As you can see above if we are landing on RWY 18 we will have a ILS Freq of 108.30 and CRS (ILS Heading) of 179.
If you are flying the 737 you will need to enter the Freq in the Radio shack into NAV 1 and enter the ILS Course if 179 for (example) into the heading as shown below.
Yep, did that.. Do you think I Have to contact ATC?
I hear the morse code when I get in range.. and it does take and keep the heading once I hit APP.. it just doesn't descend!
Quote from: Tuna on August 22, 2013, 11:18:12 AM
Yep, did that.. Do you think I Have to contact ATC?
I hear the morse code when I get in range.. and it does take and keep the heading once I hit APP.. it just doesn't descend!
hmmm, you do not have to contact ATC in FSX to land per se. It sounds like you are flying too high or the distance is too close. Try approaching at 20 miles out and an altitude of 2000 ~ 2500. It sounds like your configuration are set, just make sure the localizer is captured and that before the intercept you have GPS off and that the APP is engaged.
PE
PanzersEast has it 100% correct.
Tuna, when you capture the localizer, does the attitude indicator show both a lateral and vertical indicator. Or just a lateral (direction) mark?
You should see both horizontal and vertical lines noted in this picture:
(https://www.grogheads.com/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.glenndale.net%2Fflight_training%2Ftraining_aids%2Fexhibits%2Fils_ap2.jpg&hash=e9650461941b1855c29a8a791fc8e352f218231d)
I'm hitting APP when I hit that Green Cone on the GPS.. should I be lining up and hitting it a lot earlier, like when I first hear the Morse?.
I notice on the video's that the altitude AP is active, then seems to turn it off when the plane starts to descend.. mine doesn't turn off..
I believe I see both the indicator's.. maybe I'm too close when I'm hitting APP.
I usually line up earlier than the green cone, Tuna. I usually intercept the localizer about 12 nm away from the runway for most airports.
As soon as the lateral indicator appears and then starts moving toward the middle is when I turn on APP.
Thanks guys.. I'll give it another try after work!..
I knew there were experts on here, with all the big Jet's I see in the Screenshot thread! 8)
Quote from: WallysWorld on August 22, 2013, 11:38:52 AM
I usually line up earlier than the green cone, Tuna. I usually intercept the localizer about 12 nm away from the runway for most airports.
As soon as the lateral indicator appears and then starts moving toward the middle is when I turn on APP.
If you are flying an commercial airliner I would suggest an intercept of 20miles out.... however with GA you can intercept at a shorter distance.
PE
Quote from: PanzersEast on August 22, 2013, 12:08:16 PM
If you are flying an commercial airliner I would suggest an intercept of 20miles out.... however with GA you can intercept at a shorter distance.
PE
Quite correct! It depends on what you're flying.
I remember the first time I did a successful ILS landing, I was so very happy. The first time is quite a thrill.
Quote from: WallysWorld on August 22, 2013, 12:11:49 PM
Quote from: PanzersEast on August 22, 2013, 12:08:16 PM
If you are flying an commercial airliner I would suggest an intercept of 20miles out.... however with GA you can intercept at a shorter distance.
PE
Quite correct! It depends on what you're flying.
I remember the first time I did a successful ILS landing, I squealed like a girl. I was so happy.
Yep :-) , it is very rewarding to set everything up and land smoothing on the center line... it becomes quit addicting.
You can intercept the localizer at 15 or 18 miles distance, however with greater speed from an airliner and more to do, it will give you a little more time to setup if you are learning. The GA are slower and easier to maneuver, especially if the aoa is off.
Some fly with an STAR approach, however with IFR I generally use the ATC and my FMC even though the ATC can be wonkers with FSX.
PE
Disengage the autothrottle on final, eh? Which instructor told you that?! :P
I can provide some real world input as a 737 pilot;
The tips above are sound (except for the autothrottle! , but that might be a flightsim thing?).
You need to intercept the localizer first, before the autopilot will be able to intercept the glideslope.
And be sure to have the correct frequency selected!
On the 737 the autopilot will have to be in APP mode to follow the ILS.
VOR mode will just capture the localizer and you will need to guide descent yourself (in either VNAV or V/S).
Then there is LNAV/VNAV.
This mode will not actually capture the ILS signals, but will use the GPS to fly a path that is calculated by the FMC. In most situations this will result in a flightpath pretty close to the ILS path, but as the aircraft is flying a preprogrammed route you run the risk of constantly flying besides the actual localizer.
But in the real jet an approach in LNAV / VNAV is possible.
In the real jet you can also intercept the glideslope from above (meaning descending into the glide with a higher rate of descent than you would need to just follow it), but I know several issues with (prior?) versions of MSFS.
On average a glideslope is 3 degrees and most start at 2000 - 3000 ft above ground level.
If you know it's a 3 degree glidepath, you can calculate the amount of miles out you need to be for a spot on intercept at 2000 or 3000 feet.
A 20 mile final is a little excessive. But a 10 mile final is pretty standard for most airports.
We fly 4 - 2 mile finals without problems, but that - of course - is manually flown.
(Some Greek fields require some pretty great non-standard procedures! :D)
If you have more questions, feel free to ask.
Quote from: Yskonyn on August 22, 2013, 12:48:48 PM
Disengage the autothrottle on final, eh? Which instructor told you that?! :P
I can provide some real world input as a 737 pilot;
The tips above are sound (except for the autothrottle! , but that might be a flightsim thing?).
You need to intercept the localizer first, before the autopilot will be able to intercept the glideslope.
And be sure to have the correct frequency selected!
On the 737 the autopilot will have to be in APP mode to follow the ILS.
VOR mode will just capture the localizer and you will need to guide descent yourself (in either VNAV or V/S).
Then there is LNAV/VNAV.
This mode will not actually capture the ILS signals, but will use the GPS to fly a path that is calculated by the FMC. In most situations this will result in a flightpath pretty close to the ILS path, but as the aircraft is flying a preprogrammed route you run the risk of constantly flying besides the actual localizer.
But in the real jet an approach in LNAV / VNAV is possible.
In the real jet you can also intercept the glideslope from above (meaning descending into the glide with a higher rate of descent than you would need to just follow it), but I know several issues with (prior?) versions of MSFS.
On average a glideslope is 3 degrees and most start at 2000 - 3000 ft above ground level.
If you know it's a 3 degree glidepath, you can calculate the amount of miles out you need to be for a spot on intercept at 2000 or 3000 feet.
A 20 mile final is a little excessive. But a 10 mile final is pretty standard for most airports.
We fly 4 - 2 mile finals without problems, but that - of course - is manually flown.
(Some Greek fields require some pretty great non-standard procedures! :D)
If you have more questions, feel free to ask.
Thanks for the feedback... I have never flown a real 737, however I do fly GA A/C. I am speaking purely from a sim aspect when I give the advice above and not from a real world aspect as that is not attainable in FSX with its programming limitations. As I understand in real world, most airports localizer are up to 18 miles, FSX is attainable from 20 miles and will allow a new guy to the sim plenty of time to setup his approach, after which he can adjust accordingly depending on the airport (the FSX ATC like to vector you in at around 18 ~20 for an intercept).
I believe the auto throttle is per company procedures and situations.
PE
Wooo Whooo.. ran down cellar for a few minutes (benefit of working from home)...
I think my issue was.. I thought that button on the Nav was for muting.. but I was probalby turning it off huh!..
Well anways.. landed fine!.. Your right it is cool!... lol.. now I'm gonna have to try bigger birds!
thanks for all your help guys!
Quote from: Tuna on August 22, 2013, 01:27:15 PM
Wooo Whooo.. ran down cellar for a few minutes (benefit of working from home)...
I think my issue was.. I thought that button on the Nav was for muting.. but I was probalby turning it off huh!..
Well anways.. landed fine!.. Your right it is cool!... lol.. now I'm gonna have to try bigger birds!
thanks for all your help guys!
Great to hear.... post back any questions you may have. I'm flying the AN-2, 777 and the 737-200 right now..... the later mainly with AirHauler.... fun stuff. I switched to OPUS FSX for my weather engine and it has been a great purchase thus far. Blue Skies
PE
So looking and testing again.. I guess that is a Mute button, cause I can hit it and still land.. I just need to get to a lower altitude and acquire it with plenty of time, once I start hearing that it has acquired... Had two more successful flights tonight.. very smooth (My first one this afternoon was shaky, but I landed alive).
Will have to try the pea soup landing soon!
Thanks again for your help..
I always only fly Cessnas but because of this discussion I tried a jet last night and thought I heard the stall warning so cranked the engines up and lo and behold I overstressed the plane and crashed :-(
I think it'll be some time before I fly jets
I didn't know you were a 737 pilot Yassy- that's very cool!
I hope you guys don't mind if I hijack this thread a bit rather than start a new one...
1. I'm thinking of getting back into FSX after never really playing it. What are some must-have add-ons, particularly non-aircraft?
2. One of the reasons I want to get back into FSX is I've been eyeballing this add-on called A2A Captain of the Ship for the A2A B-377 aircraft (apparently a modified B-29). Anybody have any experience with it?
3. If I get my B-377, can I fly online in Vatsim with it, and further, can I fly cargo in it or use it with any other add-on like this Air Hauler thing I keep hearing about?
That's all for now.
Trailer for Captain of the Ship:
Man, I'm seriously looking at that PMDG MD-11 too. I see that guy everyday when I'm out surfing and I've always loved the DC-10.
Kind of pricey, though...
I can't help you with your specific questions - but the addons I would recommend are
1. Air Hauler - start a business as a small time pilot and work your way up - hauling small cargo at first and gaining rank and money to get bigger aircraft and also hire AI pilots to help with cash flow
2. FSX Passengers - haven't played it for a while - but similar to Air Hauler but you just fly passengers about.
Both of those keep stats on your takeoff, flight and landings.
For me both those addons give you something to do in FSX - otherwise it's just a bland sandbox game (I'm not a massive fan of sandbox - I tend to need a focus)
Another couple of addons I bought were Traffic X and REX. Traffic X brings the sky and the airports to life and REX brings your environment to life with better lighting on the ground at airports and roads at night and also the weather.
Those are really the only ones I've bought.
I don't play FSX that often - but when I do I tend to now fire up Air Hauler. Be aware though with Air Hauler. Start a business, choose and airfield and don't fly for a few months and you'll see your bank account diminish quite considerably as it takes all the missed monthly insurance and rent - I had to start a new career because I was hit so financially hard. Now I make it a requirement that I fly at least enough jobs to pay the rent. But when jobs are between 2 and 6k then you normally only need to fly one or two - which isn't normally a problem as when it's installed you generally fly more than that in a month anyway. I just thought I'd warn you about that because I was a wee bit peeved that I had to ruin my career because I had uninstalled FSX (to make some space on my HD before I bought a new drive)
My FSX doesn't look nearly as good as I see other peoples...my system just isn't up to it.
Toonces I would recommend anything made by PMDG (precisionmanuals.com). Their aircraft are wonderful pieces of work.
As you have already eyed yourself; A2A creates some pretty cool stuff too.
For awesome weather effects I would highly recommend REX (realenvironmentxtreme.com), but beware that your PC has to be decent and configured correctly or you will struggle with performance.
As for the Air Hauler and FSX Pax utilities. You can indeed import all your add-on aircraft into the database of those utilities so you can use them.
TrafficX is a pretty nice deal too. The world gets much more alive (although FS ATC struggles sometimes creating jams), but the models of the addon traffic are low quality and might ruin your immersion. Also, it does take another chunck of processing power away, which you will need, especially with the PMDG aircraft.
Lastly, if you want realistic ATC procedures you should take a look at Radar Contact v4 (http://www.jdtllc.com/). It's a bit of a hassle to setup, but it does provide a pretty realistic ATC experience with different controller voices, sector handovers, decent ventors, etc.
Just to pile on here....
OpusFSX - probably the best weather and motion software available for FSX. It does not have textures like REX, but has live weather and has accurate weather over the runway up to 200km away. It also has a dynamic head movement and camera shake added to turbulence and movement of the A/C.
ORBX FTX Global - Excellent ground textures and has 3d night lighting that has 0 effect on FPS. Take a look at some of my screen shots to get a feel of what it is. This is not a landclass or mesh software, it currently is textures only. For mesh I would recommend FS Genesis and Scenery Tech for landclass.
AirHauler - Like already mentioned, it is an excellent program and give meaning to flying. An excellent way to run a business and fly.
MyTrafficX - very good traffic software, I normally run at around %16 traffic for both.
Payware A/C I have a tone of A/C but a couple of my favorites are: A2A B-17 w/ accusim, Airbus X Extended, CS 777 and 707, Anything by Carenado or PMDG and the list continues........
C-117D Skytrooper (Freeware)
http://www.flightsim.com/vbfs/fslib.php?searchid=14051235
PE
Ok, I'm going to spend the day re-installing FSX and configuring it.
I have my eye on a few planes, so I'm going to figure out what I have that still works and maybe buy one or two more.
I saw that FS Passengers has a free demo so I might try that out and then, once all of that is running, I'm going to look into Air Hauler some more as well.
I suspect this will take some time, so step one, install FSX is up...
@Tuna
I'm too late and it looks like you have gotten a hang of it. They are right. Talking to ATC will get you in the proper vector and altitude to intercept the localiser and glideslope.
But take note that FS default ATC is not very good because of the instructions that it gives you. As suggested, the add-on called Radar Contact does a better job. Or if you want to deal with real people doing ATC then try flying in the VATSIM network as I do.
To bring things to the next level, you need to learn how to read and fly charts. With the approaches indicated in the charts, you can safely get into position even without ATC instruction (actually FSX default ATC might ask you to run into a mountain). This is how real world pilots do things.
This website has some very useful tutorials http://www.navfltsm.addr.com/
So after your first successful ILS landing, you say "Yay! I'm now one level up."
But you should remember to keep practicing landing without ILS (do VOR approaches) as not all airports have ILS.
These manual VOR approaches can be very satisfying to those jaded with the routine of ILS landings.
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@Toonces
As for other recommendations. If you want updated graphics, I highly recommend getting the ENB mod. The is one .dll, an .ini, and probably a palette file that you add in your main FSX install. You can get several ENB packages off the net. Alternatively you can use SweetFx. It does almost the same thing as ENB.
ENB - http://jomnisgames.blogspot.com/2012/01/rex-natural-enbplus.html
SweetFx - http://jomnisgames.blogspot.com/2013/03/sweetfx-in-fsx.html
If you want really nice ground textures, I recommend FTX Global. But take note that it is expensive at nearly $100.
http://fullterrain.com/product_ftxglobal.html
That's just the tip of things. I also have REX for environment textures. But I don't use their weather engine and use OPUS instead.
REX - http://www.realenvironmentxtreme.com/
Opus - http://www.opussoftware.co.uk/opusfsi.htm
Not to mention the planes.
As you can see, it can get to be a very expensive hobby. But I fly more hours than I play wargames these days so it's all worth it. Flightsim is permanently in my hard drive throughout the years.
Thanks for the tips. I'm going to spend some time with the basics and ensure it grabs me before I go overboard on extras. I'm hoping that Air Hauler or FX Passengers gets me interested in civilian flying.
I'll keep you guys posted.
It's like riding a bike!
Took up a Cessna 172 to configure the controls, did a quick hop from Dillingham to Honolulu Intl, then booted up the CRJ700 and did a quick VFR flight from Dillingham to HNL visual into 4L for a full stop.
The stock aircraft have really improved from FS9 it seems.
Ok, now to see what's what with this Air Hauler and FS Passengers business!
LOL.. I don't even know what commands to use to talk to the ATC.. I guess that will be the next thing to teach myself!
I did a VOR landing last night in the 737... I landed.. alive, no crash.. but it was ugly as heck.. good thing that's just flat grass next to the runways!
I am shocked at how much I am enjoying flying FSX and civilian sims in general again. I don't think I've properly flown a civvie sim about 8 years or more!
I bought Air Hauler and started a company flying out of Deep Water Cay in the Bahamas on medium using the Grand Caravan. I did one flight but once I realized I had gooned some stuff off, and the novelty of flying a Grand Caravan at 120kts over long stretches of uninteresting water wore off, I restarted a company on easy flying out of Atlantic City. Did two routes yesterday in the Lear 45. Was passing 3,500 for 5,000 out of ACY for Syracuse last night when we had a massive power failure in the neighborhood, so I'll have to see what the did to my career mode.
I haven't bought any other expansions yet but I can already tell I'm going to need to upgrade some stuff. I debated buying MyTraffic 2013, but decided to try World of AI first and see if that's acceptable. I downloaded most of the U.S. routes last night but haven't tried them in sim yet. I also downloaded the demo for FS Passengers and a freeware Pan Am L-1011 but haven't tried either of those yet. I think I'm going to prefer Air Hauler to FS Passengers, but I really want to fly some heavier jets!
I'm going to log a few hours again today (in fact, right after I hit post) and then probably look at some more add-ons. The Radar Contact add-on has been repeatedly recommended here and on other sites.
I find the Lear extremely difficult to fly. I mean, if you want to keep it under 250kts under 10k you really have to be ahead of the jet after rotate. The key seems to be to have the autopilot parameters set up before you take off so you can click that puppy on and get the jet under control as fast as possible. Very twitchy and overpowered airplane!
Air Hauler is better than FS Passengers imo. I had originally got FS Passengers and it did the trick - but Air Hauler seems a bit more polished and there's more variety.
I made the same mistake with Air Hauler - choosing the wrong base! Flying for ages to make $2-4k was not fun. And I was in a Cessna (I choose the hardcore route).
I had my reputation up to 42.5 (you get 0.5 rep for every successful delivery) and then it happened! I choose a haulage job where I had to complete it in 24 hours...forgot about it and by the time I completed it I was 2 hours over. I lost 2 rep points putting me back down to 40.5 >:(
The Cessna route is very difficult. Smaller jobs, less money, slow aircraft.
So how do you actually get moving in the Learjet?
I've managed to start the engines - but my throttles are having no effect - and I hear the engines whining up - then whining down again all on their own!
The engines take a few seconds to spool up and down. Give it about 46% and wait till it gets moving before you kick the rudders. You have to taxi with power on.
Nah - something else is going wrong.
I watched a video and the startup was like this:
1. Make sure batteries are on
2. Turn on avionics
3. Turn on engine generators
4. Turn on left and right ignition
5. Start left engine
6. Left engine spools to 7 then suddenly jumps up to 60+ - then back down to idle
7. Repeat steps 4, 5 and 6 for right engine
The problem I've got is when I start the left engine (6), my rpm doesn't spool above 8.3. And if I just sit and wait there, it sounds like the engine is spooling up (whining noise increases) and then spooling down (whining noise decreases) and just keeps doing this - all the while the RPM stays at 8.3
This was the vid I watched
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eR4VoMN6gig
Did you have the fuel levers / switches open?
I'm guessing not as I didn't know about them. Where are they? I've checked all panels for clickables and don't recall seeing anything that said fuel levers (unless you mean the throttle - in which case I've tried it set to idle and about 50%)
It's been a while and I can't recall wether the stock Lear has them.
But its common on aircraft to have some kind of fuel switch / level near the throttle (usually below them).
Have you checked the throttle panel?
There are no other switches that seem to do anything.
I'm lost and just about to give up on the Lear...I can't even find anything online to help and nothing in game
Aren't there extensive 'Flight School' entries in the game for the Learjet?
I do recall there have to be fuel cutoff switches. Perhaps browse the help file?
I can't really look alongside you, because I do not have the sim installed anymore.
One thing I do remember now though, is that if you're using a joystick to fly, check the axis assignments. It might be that one of your axis is assigned to mixture. The Learjet doesn't have a mixture in real life, but the game seems to be using it for fuel cutoff state in the Lear.
I can't see anything detailed relating to starting the Lear. There's other stuff there - but nothing about the thing I'm having a problem with.
I only fired it up and went on the Lear because bloody Toonces mentioned the damn thing. Up until then I was pretty happy in my Cessna - now I have a bee in my bonnet and need to get this thing going or I'll NEVER go back to the Cessna!
There's a check list - but I go through it (afaik properly) and the engines sound like they're spooling up - then they start spooling down - but the rpm stays at 8.3. Never more never less.
I'll delve deeper - I've got to get this sorted or I'm stuck forever!
Got it!
CTRL-SHIFT-F4 switches fuel on. Well I'll be. In a "clickable" cockpit where you find all sorts of buttons to click to perform operations - who'd have thought you'd have to resort to keys for such a major operation!?
There are Ful Pump buttons - but apart from going on and off, they did nothing!
Thanks for your patience Yskonyn ;D
Quote from: JudgeDredd on August 26, 2013, 05:29:09 AM
Got it!
CTRL-SHIFT-F4 switches fuel on. Well I'll be. In a "clickable" cockpit where you find all sorts of buttons to click to perform operations - who'd have thought you'd have to resort to keys for such a major operation!?
There are Ful Pump buttons - but apart from going on and off, they did nothing!
Thanks for your patience Yskonyn ;D
The default Lear is not a full simulation so some stuff are not modeled (like the starter button) and other switches do nothing.
Another question - relating to addons.
Is there some ATC software to plug into FSX? I am so pissed off being told to turn left heading 150 only to be told to turn right 180 and back again - continuously. Same with altitude!!
Ta
I could get used to the Lear stuff in Hauler - the Cessna was so slow. I really wanted to start out at the bottom and work up - but it's so much like hard work and too long and slow...but maybe I still will.
Check to see if the prop pitch setting are are auto or manual (I assume its a prop engine?).
The Lear is a jet - but it's all sorted now bobski thx
Good stuff JD - I'm not into these new-fangled jet thingies yet ;)
Quote from: bob48 on August 26, 2013, 08:02:46 AM
Good stuff JD - I'm not into these new-fangled jet thingies yet ;)
No kidding, huh! I had a hard enough time getting past the whole 'How can it fly with just one set of wings? thing.
^LOL - I know that feeling - it ain't natural - only one set of wings. No good will come of it, just mark my words!
Quote from: JudgeDredd on August 26, 2013, 07:15:05 AM
Is there some ATC software to plug into FSX?
As I have linked above, I foud Radar Contact v4 a good solution. It does require some work on your side, because it's not an overhaul of the ATC system in the sense that you can just load FSX and fly with the new ATC.
Instead it parses your flightplan and then creates an ATC environment for it. So you need to prepare your flight inside Radar Contact before loading FSX.
http://www.jdtllc.com/
Quote from: JudgeDredd on August 26, 2013, 07:15:05 AM
Another question - relating to addons.
Is there some ATC software to plug into FSX? I am so pissed off being told to turn left heading 150 only to be told to turn right 180 and back again - continuously. Same with altitude!!
Ta
I could get used to the Lear stuff in Hauler - the Cessna was so slow. I really wanted to start out at the bottom and work up - but it's so much like hard work and too long and slow...but maybe I still will.
The lear is a great money maker when starting out. :)
Man, this time zone thing is a bitch.
Judge, in case you didn't know you can also just hit Ctrl-E and the engines will go through an auto-start sequence. Maybe not hardcore, but I just pretend my copilot is doing the start. ;D Seriously, I only have so long to play games a day so it pays to burn through the trivial stuff sometimes.
Also, second that the Lear isn't modeled very thoroughly, but it's good enough to get started. I'm definitely going to be adding some payware add-ons shortly.
Man, I haven't been drawn into a game as hard as Air Hauler has captured me in a long time. I had the whole "thinking about it at work" today and that almost never happens to me anymore with computer games. Like you I was going to be all hardcore and work my way up, but even with the Lear it's going to be a long haul before I get into my L-1011!
Yesterday I hired two pilots and bought a Mooney Bravo. What you want to do is make sure the AI if flying your planes when you're not flying yourself. So last night I finished my flight in the Lear and then assigned some trips to my two pilots; one in the Lear and one in the Mooney. So while I was sleeping my little AI guys were making me money. When I got home from work I set up some routes for the Mooney with pilot#2, went to work out, and now I'm going to take the Lear up for a few flights. Then before I go to bed I'll set up some more Lear flights with pilot#1 and hopefully, if I plan it right, bank another 50-100k overnight.
I haven't figured out if it's cost effective to buy another Mooney or Cessna and hire a third pilot or keep saving for a bigger plane so I can haul more payload. I'm not a business guy, so I don't know the optimum money-making strategy. But man is this fun!
Do you have to leave the computer on and Air Hauler running for the AI pilots to do their stuff or does Air Hauler just work out that they managed it and bank the money when you start it (I'm presuming it's the latter).
I wonder if there's any calculations regarding failures and damage to AI aircraft - hard landings, bad weather etc.
I got hugely caught out by the Lear. I took it 600 miles yesterday and couldn't land - my closure rate to the airport surprised me because I'm used to flying Cessnas. I missed the airfield by a long shot (was still about 1500ft before I realised I was never going to make it) and flew right on past. I decided to go round and pay more attention - and FSX crashed!
It's time based. Air hauler time is synced to real world. It will compute the time for the AI to finish the job based on distance and aircraft cruise speed. You can then quit AH. The next time you open AH, it will check for status of AI flights. Sometimes the cargo or plane breaks based on AI skill. Weather does not affect AI flights.
A bit of a cheat. Time acceleration in FSX does not apply in air hauler. Example, a job expiring in 2 hours but takes 4 hours to fly can still be done by using 4x acceleration in the sim. All in all it will take you just 1 to 2 hours flying in real time and still within AH's static deadline.
Thx - I'm some ways off AI pilots in my Cessna career.
Yeah - I found that cheat some time ago. It's a massive PITA when flying IFR - especially tagged with what I mentioned earlier about increase/decrease altitude and turn right/turn left heading change instructions from ATC because with the speed increase on - you normally miss the final call from ATC before they drop your IFR
We'll definitely have to try and do a flight together this weekend Judge. Maybe if I can sneak on Saturday or Sunday afternoon.
Just a couple of very good free prop cargo planes:
Lockheed L-188 Electra
http://www.flightsim.com/vbfs/fslib.php?searchid=14219184
BT-67
http://www.flightsim.com/vbfs/fslib.php?searchid=14219587
C-47
http://www.flightsim.com/vbfs/fslib.php?searchid=14219240
C-117D
http://www.flightsim.com/vbfs/fslib.php?searchid=14219295
AN-32
http://www.flightsim.com/vbfs/fslib.php?searchid=14219476
Pilatus PC-6C_H2
http://www.flightsim.com/vbfs/fslib.php?searchid=14219667
PE
None of those links actually link to anything PE
Quote from: JudgeDredd on August 27, 2013, 11:30:08 AM
None of those links actually link to anything PE
Hmmm. will have to retry... they are all found on flightsim.com
PE
Are you maybe, "logged in" and he is not?
I am logged in
You do take damage if you land hard or otherwise crash your plane. I was taking the Lear into a really small field last night. Got bad vectors from ATC (sometimes on multi-leg trips ATC seems to get confused about your destination). Went visual. It was night and there was a haze layer and I had trouble breaking out the field. I got it back just came in badly. Tried to waveoff but realized I wasn't going to get enough thrust in time so I tried to salvage the landing and smashed my nose gear to the tune of a $78,000 repair bill. Ouch!
I've got my little AI guys working a tough night shift. I don't know if AH models pilot fatigue, but they're both flying solid 8 hour days this evening while I sleep.
I'm getting much better at flying the lear in VFR conditions. Going to have to do some research to figure out how to get the ILS set up. However it is, it's not intuitive.
I'm beat, gotta hit the rack. More tomorrow!
I used to give each of my AI two jobs in a day.
Why do people fly VFR? I always fly IFR so I am given prompts from ATC - VFR seems rather empty to me.
I read an article once which explained other differences between VFR and IFR in game - but I really can't remember them.
Any preference why the people who fly VFR do so?
VFR has less interaction with ATC and you are more free to do whatever you want (within certain limitations).
I fly IFR most of the time because I don't want the weather to spoil my flight.
Let's try this again. The best workhorse for Air Hauler I believe is the C-47/C-117D/BT-67 and the L-188. Also the (payware) Carenado C208B Cargomaster is great as well. I have a ton of others but thought I would list some freeware that looks and works great for cargo flights. They all have good VCs as well.
Search for the names below
Lockheed L-188 Electra
Name: l-188_electra_x.zip
BT-67
Name: basler_bt67_v2.zip
C-47
Name: c47basepack.zip
Interior
Name: c47_interior.zip
C-117D
Name: c117d_v1_beta.zip
AN-32
Name: antonovan-32.zip
Pilatus PC-6C_H2
Name: pc-6c_h2turboporter.zip
PE
This is what I see when I click the links
(https://www.grogheads.com/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1160.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fq499%2Fwmar1967%2FMisc%2FSnap4_zpsa7a5b7fc.jpg&hash=f7ee76af406d27a2458f683c990abf9b7b0f5261)
I also don't see them and I'm also logged in.
For some reason I guess flightsim.com will not let you link direct. I have added the names of the .zip files so you can do a search from the file library.
Search for the names below
Lockheed L-188 Electra
Name: l-188_electra_x.zip
BT-67
Name: basler_bt67_v2.zip
C-47
Name: c47basepack.zip
Interior
Name: c47_interior.zip
C-117D
Name: c117d_v1_beta.zip
AN-32
Name: antonovan-32.zip
Pilatus PC-6C_H2
Name: pc-6c_h2turboporter.zip
PE
Have any of you guys tried this company's Scenery packs? Just wondering if it's worth it! ;)
http://www.fspilotshop.com/megascenery-earth-massachusetts-p-4384.html (http://www.fspilotshop.com/megascenery-earth-massachusetts-p-4384.html)
Judge,
You're supposed to fly IFR in you're under instrument conditions, or if you're above 18,000 feet. Airliners and such always fly IFR and I usually take the Lear up to FL35 or so where I can get 450+ ground speed so yes, I usually fly IFR.
However, if you're IFR then ATC is going to give you vectors to an approach. This is fine usually, but it seems like if I'm flying a multi-leg flight, like a positioning flight to get cargo followed by the cargo flight to a third airport, sometimes ATC will get confused and think the intermediate stop is just a waypoint and won't vector me to land. This happened twice last night. I haven't had it happen under instrument conditions yet, which is good. Under visual conditions I just canceled IFR and flew a visual approach into the field. For a small airport this is no big deal and still fairly realistic.
In the Mooney I'm only climbing up a few thousand feet for a short leg. If the weather supports it I just fly VFR. That way I'm not under any restrictions from ATC and can just cruise at my leisure to my destination, staying clear of weather and controlled airspace. It's just another, in some ways more efficient way of flying.
Last night I had one leg that was really short in the Lear, something like 60 miles or so. In that case I canceled my flight plan and flew VFR at like 8,500 feet since it was so short.
The key to flying the Lear in my opinion is managing the autopilot. The plane is just a beast to get under control until it's settled down. I use the autopilot to fly the plane on vectors until I'm about 10nm and at or close to course on final. If the last vector you get is to decend to, say, 2,000 feet and intercept the localizer, I'll dial in 2k and 180kt on the autopilot, flaps to 20 and at 5-10nm gear down. Let the plane get settled and trimmed at that setting and then click off the autopilot and hand fly the plane to the runway. You can probably get the autopilot to fly it to minimums for you but I haven't figured that out yet. At any rate, the plane is much easier to fly once the AP gets it settled and trimmed at approach configuration. You might want to try that and see how it works for you.
If I get behind the plane it is almost impossible to recover an approach. I have had to take several missed approaches the last few missions into these small fields.
So how do you find your way to your destination on VFR?
IFR you are told by ATC at what level to fly and what heading. And it changes.
My problem with the Lear the other day was closure rate - I have been so used to flying Cessna's I had no idea I was going to close so fast with the airfield
Mega scenery earth is nice buy you have to buy it per state so it gets expensive.
By VFR you use landmarks and a map to navigate. Plot your course on the map and time your legs. Then use landmarks to keep adjusting your flightpath to stay on track.
Unless you have high quality scenery, it might be hard to do VFR flights in FS. Especially in unknown territory. ;)
I just pull up the GPS. I imagine most pilots at least have a hand held GPS in their cockpit they can use to navigate...even my wife's iPhone has a GPS in it. ;D
I like to pull up the GPS and then shrink it so it's pretty small. I move it to the top right corner of the screen where it's out of the way. I have it mapped to a key on my hotas so I pull it up, check position and course, then minimize it until I need it again.
When flying VFR, remember to fly at increments of 500 feet. Even+500 if going west, odd+500 if going east. Although FSX doesn't really care if you don't follow those rules.
Oh man, JD! I am so hooked on this it is not funny. I have to thank you man...I was out of civilian flight sims for years. There is just so much going on with FSX and I'm totally into it.
So I bought PMDG 737NGX last night and then just now picked up PMDG J41 to go with it. I think I can afford a loan to lease the J41 now, so I'm going to get familiar with it and then add it to my fleet. I'm having so much fun with Air Hauler, but I wanted to take my simming to the next level.
What I REALLY want to fly is an L-1011 or DC-10. But what I've found is that I need a REASON to fly. So I joined Virtual Delta Airlines and got hired as a 737 First Officer. So I'm going to work on getting qualified in the 737 using the PMDG 737 and work my way up to the Delta L-1011.
I'm having a blast man. This is so great!
I totally forgot about military flying once I got hooked into FSX. No more DCS or Strike Fighters. Just FSX every other night.
Good going in joining a VA. I am member of VAs as well. Next step for you is to fly online in the Vatsim networ.
By the wy Just Flight . com is selling the Tristar at a special price of $8.
PMDG 777 coming out in the weekend (hopefully).
Flight simming is a money sucker. But time you spend flying and forgetting about all the latest games makes it worth it.
Glad my advice for once ended in someone's happiness...just don't let it ruin your life...remember to drink, eat, shower, go to the bathroom and family. Get out now and again for some fresh air :D
I never thought about Virtual Airlines. How do you join? Do you have to "prove" yourself? Also I can't fly jets yet - so are there smaller aircraft VA's? And what happens? They give you jobs or something or you check their job board and do stuff? (no real need to answer unless you want - I'll go look em up).
There are different rules for different Airlines. Some assign planes by rank (hours), some do not.
Some have strict training requirements and some do not.. Key is something that has the planes and routes thatyou want to fly.
Flying VA is just a matter of picking a route and flying it. Then your hours are logged and you get paid virtual money (that does nothing) and you get promoted. :)
Judge, if you like small planes and want to fly with a purpose, check out FSEconomy. It's pretty much like Air hauler but a bit more detailed and does passengers in a multiplayer world. It is also free.
http://jomnisgames.blogspot.com/2013/06/bitten-by-ga-bug.html
Just to pile onto Jomni's post, each virtual airline is different.
Way, way back in the day I was a member of Westwind Airlines. The way they worked it is that you got assigned to a hub and then were assigned routes from that hub and you were required to fly a certain amount of flights per month. You started in a small plane like a CRJ and you could promote to a bigger plane after a certain number of hours. I flew for them back in 1998 or so and it looks like they are still around.
I picked Delta because they should like they have a pretty big community and they just seem to be polished. However, after getting my application approved and access to their website, there are some things I don't like. They assigned me to the 737, although it is possible to start out a level lower in the EMB's or ATR's if you want to stick with props. You don't get assigned to a hub, but have to fly a route that Delta historically flies within their database. You log each flight and submit it and after you accumulate enough hours you can upgrade to Captain or to different planes. I would actually prefer more structure; I would prefer to be assigned to a hub and then assigned a route that I HAVE to fly, but I'm going to give this a try and see how it fits anyway. I might self-impose myself on a rookie hub and then find flights strictly out of there, or flights that originate there and have several legs...I would prefer it feel more like a job and have less flexibility if that makes sense.
Once I log some flight time for Delta I'll let you know what I think. Without a reason to fly the L-1011 I'm just not as interested in booting it up. Structure is the key for me personally enjoying FSX which is why Air Hauler is such a sweet find for me!
Quote from: jomni on August 30, 2013, 12:36:36 AM
By the wy Just Flight . com is selling the Tristar at a special price of $8.
Wow, nice find man! Thank you so much for posting that, I almost paid the full $44 the other day! No brainer- downloading now.
The only add-on that I've been eyeing hard, except for the B-377 from A2A is My Traffic 2013. I downloaded a freeware traffic program called World of AI or something like that, and all of their US routes. It was a pain to download everything but I thought I'd give it a try and if it doesn't work I'll do payware.
I'm pretty stoked. The PMDG 737 is no joke; there is a ton of meat on that add-on. I think it is the 3rd most expensive piece of software I've purchased behind WitP:AE and Steel Beasts Pro. I had no idea how much the flight computer drives everything about the jet. In that sense I'm looking forward to upgrading to an older jet; I'd really prefer less automation and more hand flying. On the other hand, learning to operate the 737 properly challenges me intellectually. It's a steep learning curve, but different from a military jet. I'm looking forward to figuring it all out and then applying it in a structured environment on VATSIM or something, earning hours towards my upgrade with Delta.
I like how this is all tying together. I hope I stick with it. ;D
I'm thinking of starting a journal soon...like an AAR. Would there be any value to FRAPS'ing some of my flights, JD?
I'm not an expert on civilian flying, but I know a thing or two and might be able to start recording some stuff if you or anyone else think it would be entertaining.
Quote from: jomni on August 30, 2013, 12:36:36 AM
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By the wy Just Flight . com is selling the Tristar at a special price of $8.
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Thank you. I actually got it for £2 because I had 300 point (£3) to redeem!
Now - I just need to learn to fly jets. I've been taking it real easy with little planes like the Cessna because you have less electronics and more time to perform your actions...and landing is a doddle!
Navigating in old jets gets pretty hectic at times so I welcome the automation in new jets. Wait till you try Airbus :)
But it becomes a case of mastering the systems.
The joke is that in Boeing, you fly the plane. In Airbus, the plane flies you.
In Boeing you figure out what you need to do. In Airbus, you need to figure out what the plane is doing.
Toonces, if you want to start recording, might I advise BandiCam over Fraps?
FSX already is a performance Hog and Fraps makes it all the worse. BandiCam, however, records much smaller files with the same quality.
It keeps your games running much better while recording.
Congrats on getting PMDG's 73. Its a wonderful product and pretty darn close to how the real thing works. Happy landings!
Another common joke among Boeing jocks: No, we won't ever fly a 'Scarebus'! :)
Personally, I've always found the notion to be controlling rods and cables instead of a set of computers a soothing one. ;)
Thanks for the word on the L-1011 sale.. Installing now...
Also thanks for the recommendation on the Accusim b-17 PanzersEast.. just installed that..
I may have to hop on FSX for a lil bit during my lunch break!
Quote from: Tuna on August 30, 2013, 10:44:56 AM
Thanks for the word on the L-1011 sale.. Installing now...
Also thanks for the recommendation on the Accusim b-17 PanzersEast.. just installed that..
I may have to hop on FSX for a lil bit during my lunch break!
No prob, the B-17 Accusim is probably my favorite plane to fly.. a lot of character. I have actually planned to fly around the world in B-17, have my routes but have yet to do it... something about time and games and life.... but I will do it this fall for sure.
A2A Simulations B-17 Accu-Sim Familiarization (Part 2 covers startup)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCLMgLB9Qlo
Thanks for the heads up on the L-1011... no brainier for $8.
PE
Just flew from Nantucket to Boston during my lunch break.. it was awesome!.. Sounds immersion etc...
Lol.. I seemed to have lost Ailerons when coming into Boston I wonder if I didn't have hydraulics on or something.. I was able to land safely with just rudder and elevators... but again very cool.. Starting was great.. lol.. took me about 15 minutes!
the L-1011 looks very cool in the images.. looks like very nice cockpit graphics.. will be cool to try later...
I also downloaded the free c-47 you mentioned and flew that last night, was pretty cool for a freebie as well..
Question for the experts....I own the basic version of Microsoft Flight Simulator X. I see there is a deluxe version and gold version (seems to be combo of deluxe version and some acceleration add-on) available. Is there a way to purchase the add-on material that is available with the gold version alone or would I have to buy the complete gold version to get it?
Quote from: Grim.Reaper on August 30, 2013, 03:05:01 PM
Question for the experts....I own the basic version of Microsoft Flight Simulator X. I see there is a deluxe version and gold version (seems to be combo of deluxe version and some acceleration add-on) available. Is there a way to purchase the add-on material that is available with the gold version alone or would I have to buy the complete gold version to get it?
There is no way to purchase the add-on material separate that I know of.
PE
Quote from: PanzersEast on August 30, 2013, 03:11:32 PM
Quote from: Grim.Reaper on August 30, 2013, 03:05:01 PM
Question for the experts....I own the basic version of Microsoft Flight Simulator X. I see there is a deluxe version and gold version (seems to be combo of deluxe version and some acceleration add-on) available. Is there a way to purchase the add-on material that is available with the gold version alone or would I have to buy the complete gold version to get it?
There is no way to purchase the add-on material separate that I know of.
PE
Ok, thanks....now of course the important question:) Is the extra stuff you get with the deluxe/gold version worth purchasing versus just using the basic version? I am not a heavy flight simmer yet, unless this grabs hold of me of course.
Quote from: Grim.Reaper on August 30, 2013, 03:14:05 PM
Quote from: PanzersEast on August 30, 2013, 03:11:32 PM
Quote from: Grim.Reaper on August 30, 2013, 03:05:01 PM
Question for the experts....I own the basic version of Microsoft Flight Simulator X. I see there is a deluxe version and gold version (seems to be combo of deluxe version and some acceleration add-on) available. Is there a way to purchase the add-on material that is available with the gold version alone or would I have to buy the complete gold version to get it?
There is no way to purchase the add-on material separate that I know of.
PE
Ok, thanks....now of course the important question:) Is the extra stuff you get with the deluxe/gold version worth purchasing versus just using the basic version? I am not a heavy flight simmer yet, unless this grabs hold of me of course.
I have logged countless hours in FSX from its release and I have the base version, have never needed the deluxe/gold so you should be fine.
PE
Hope to take the L-1011 up tonight and maybe the B-17 around to stretch her legs...
Glad you like it Tuna!
PE
We should try and hook up in MP on the B-17's.. is MP hard to setup?
Quote from: Tuna on August 30, 2013, 04:22:11 PM
We should try and hook up in MP on the B-17's.. is MP hard to setup?
Not sure as I have never tried before, however would be cool.
PE
Think it use's Gamespy ID, which I have one for Civ IV.
There is one thing;
there were significant optimizations made in FSX's performance with its expansion; Acceleration (aptly named). So for that alone I would recommend getting the Gold pack.
Quote from: Yskonyn on August 30, 2013, 05:35:28 PM
There is one thing;
there were significant optimizations made in FSX's performance with its expansion; Acceleration (aptly named). So for that alone I would recommend getting the Gold pack.
I actually installed this base game today and unfortunately the game is constantly crashing on me for some reason.....looks like I will probably have to skip this one.
I guess I should have made that clear, you need the acceleration pack as there are a lot of addons that require it. I so I assume that would be the Gold version.
@Tuna MP looks straight forward after I looked at it.
PE
Quote from: Grim.Reaper on August 30, 2013, 05:43:20 PM
Quote from: Yskonyn on August 30, 2013, 05:35:28 PM
There is one thing;
there were significant optimizations made in FSX's performance with its expansion; Acceleration (aptly named). So for that alone I would recommend getting the Gold pack.
I actually installed this base game today and unfortunately the game is constantly crashing on me for some reason.....looks like I will probably have to skip this one.
Are you running Windows 7? Get a hold of UIAutomationCore.dll and put it in the main FSX directory.
http://www.ramoonus.nl/2010/01/01/the-fix-to-microsoft-flight-simulator-x-crash-on-windows-7-x64/
Quote from: jomni on August 30, 2013, 07:05:08 PM
Quote from: Grim.Reaper on August 30, 2013, 05:43:20 PM
Quote from: Yskonyn on August 30, 2013, 05:35:28 PM
There is one thing;
there were significant optimizations made in FSX's performance with its expansion; Acceleration (aptly named). So for that alone I would recommend getting the Gold pack.
I actually installed this base game today and unfortunately the game is constantly crashing on me for some reason.....looks like I will probably have to skip this one.
Are you running Windows 7? Get a hold of UIAutomationCore.dll and put it in the main FSX directory.
http://www.ramoonus.nl/2010/01/01/the-fix-to-microsoft-flight-simulator-x-crash-on-windows-7-x64/
I am on windows 8, I wonder if this will work with that. I will give it a shot, thank you!
Quote from: Grim.Reaper on August 30, 2013, 07:10:04 PM
Quote from: jomni on August 30, 2013, 07:05:08 PM
Quote from: Grim.Reaper on August 30, 2013, 05:43:20 PM
Quote from: Yskonyn on August 30, 2013, 05:35:28 PM
There is one thing;
there were significant optimizations made in FSX's performance with its expansion; Acceleration (aptly named). So for that alone I would recommend getting the Gold pack.
I actually installed this base game today and unfortunately the game is constantly crashing on me for some reason.....looks like I will probably have to skip this one.
Are you running Windows 7? Get a hold of UIAutomationCore.dll and put it in the main FSX directory.
http://www.ramoonus.nl/2010/01/01/the-fix-to-microsoft-flight-simulator-x-crash-on-windows-7-x64/
I am on windows 8, I wonder if this will work with that. I will give it a shot, thank you!
Great tip....haven't crashed since using that file....thanks again!
Quote from: Grim.Reaper on August 30, 2013, 03:14:05 PM
Quote from: PanzersEast on August 30, 2013, 03:11:32 PM
Quote from: Grim.Reaper on August 30, 2013, 03:05:01 PM
Question for the experts....I own the basic version of Microsoft Flight Simulator X. I see there is a deluxe version and gold version (seems to be combo of deluxe version and some acceleration add-on) available. Is there a way to purchase the add-on material that is available with the gold version alone or would I have to buy the complete gold version to get it?
There is no way to purchase the add-on material separate that I know of.
PE
Ok, thanks....now of course the important question:) Is the extra stuff you get with the deluxe/gold version worth purchasing versus just using the basic version? I am not a heavy flight simmer yet, unless this grabs hold of me of course.
The Gold edition includes FS X Deluxe and the Acceleration Expansion Pack. It also gives you 3 additional aircraft and missions, such as carrier operations, and P51-D racing, if you like that sort of thing.
Amazon has the gold version for sale at $24.37 at the US site. http://www.amazon.com/Microsoft-Flight-Simulator-X-Edition-Pc/dp/B001DPZE84
Thank you, jomni. While I am using win 7, I am not using FS, but I will remember your suggestion.
PMDG Triple 7 is out.
I called it- $90 for the base install. There will be DLC.
I'm going to pass on this one until I figure out the 737 and J41...
I just bought the 777. ;D
Too bad for Rome II.
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Just cannot bring myself to pay $90 for 1 plane then have to spend more for addons. There is a whole lot of gaming to be had for $90. However enjoy and let us know what you think.
PE
Knowing that I will most probably fly than pay other games, it will be worth it.
Will it hold my attention or collect dust in the hangar llike some planes?
My most used to date are A320 and Boeing 737.
I have the wonderful Majestic Dash 8 Q400 but that does not get airtime. Plus my Carenado GA aircraft.
Time will tell if the 777 becomes a mainstay.
That 777 might have to be more of a Christmas present or something. Maybe a gift to myself as a reward if I get picked up for some of the programs I'm applying to. I just don't think I can justify that kind of money on an add-on to FSX right now.
I'm not saying it's an unreasonable price; in fact it's probably very fair. It's definitely and outlier, though, and it's not a trivial purchase for sure.
Let us know how it flies, though!
Finally logged a flight in the PMDG 737. Man, that is a tough airplane to figure out. It's all about the autopilot and computer system. I handflew it into a landing at Nashville Intl no problem; the thing handles like a dream, but man alive does that FMC baffle me!
Definitely going to need to spend some time with a tutorial or two.
Which part of FMC usage do you need help on?
Quote from: Toonces on September 04, 2013, 01:54:07 AM
Finally logged a flight in the PMDG 737. Man, that is a tough airplane to figure out. It's all about the autopilot and computer system. I handflew it into a landing at Nashville Intl no problem; the thing handles like a dream, but man alive does that FMC baffle me!
Definitely going to need to spend some time with a tutorial or two.
Lol! Exactly how I felt then I transferred from the Fokker 50 to the 737NG in real life.
I knew what I wanted to let the place do, just not how. :) Resulted in me clicking off the A/P and doing it myself oftentimes at first. :P
Funny you have the same experience.
I'm reading the 777 manual. The 777 avionics is actually easier to learn and has many automated functions. But harder to hand fly because it is bigger, heavier, and engines less responsive to throttle input.
Actually, the bigger aircraft are much easier to fly than the smaller ones. At least in real life.
The only thing you need to be able to do more in the bigger aircraft is 'staying ahead of the aircraft' with your mind. It requires a more proactive approach, but if you manage that the actual technicalities of handling the jet is easier and more forgiving.
First flight in my shiny new PMDG 777 ended with a crash. No, not the plane. FSX crashed on me while taxiing to gate after landing. Never had the chance to shut off the engines. :) Must be the known virtual memory error in FSX but it is the first time it happened to me. Gotta tweak some stuff.
Quote from: jomni on September 04, 2013, 02:43:29 AM
Which part of FMC usage do you need help on?
Well, in the tutorial they walk you through doing a SID through airways into a STAR for arrival.
What I was trying to do last night is simply fly GPS-direct from KATL to KBNA. As you know, when flying using FSX ATC they're going to give you vectors for the whole smack; usually runway heading then an intercept to direct course, and then vectors to an ILS at the destination.
I couldn't figure out how to get the FMC to understand the flight plan. For example, I couldn't get the autothrottle to set cruise speed independent of the autopilot speed bug. Once I got onto vectors I tried flying it like the lear using autopilot bugs for HDG, SPD, ALT but the VSI bug is confusing- it keeps changing from my preset with each alt change.
On the ILS I got glideslope but no working course needle.
And so on.
I'm positive it's user-error; the autopilot just seems to be so good and automated that getting it to do straightforward stuff is confusing.
Welcome to the world of airliners. Looks like you still have a General Aviation mentality :).
Anyway, for some of your questions:
Changing altitude modes in the 737
1) VNAV - climb based on speed and altitude targets in your FMC flight plan. This takes into consideration distance, weight, fuel, cruise alt, cost index, restrictions, SID/STAR. If you don't key in all the factors in your FMC then you will have problems. FSX ATC does not see your FMC plan, they can only see what is loaded in the FSX flight planner. This is a fully automated flight with minimal pilot input. No need for ATC if planned properly.
2) FL Change. - climb to target altitude by using an angle that maintains the current speed indicated in your control panel.
3) V/S - user inputted vertical speed. this is what is normally used when following ATC instructions. This is probably what you want to do
Not sure in there's a target pitch option. I seldom use this option.
To use your own cruise speed make sure that the Speed hold button is off. But most of the time airline pilots just set their desired speed using the bug anyway. The plane will then do whatever it can to maintain that speed (throttle movement, pitch).
Quote from: jomni on September 05, 2013, 12:43:45 AM
1) VNAV - climb based on speed and altitude targets in your FMC flight plan. This takes into consideration distance, weight, fuel, cruise alt, cost index, restrictions, SID/STAR. If you don't key in all the factors in your FMC then you will have problems. FSX ATC does not see your FMC plan, they can only see what is loaded in the FSX flight planner. This is a fully automated flight with minimal pilot input. No need for ATC if planned properly.
During climb, VNAV will try to get as efficiently as possible to your cruise level while taking into account all thats said above.
Usually this results in it being a glorified LVLCHG mode where altitude and speed restrictions are abided by due to the FMC input.
For descent VNAV tries to calculate a path from down to cruising level where it can maintain thrust idle until you start configurating for landing.
It does this while keeping all data in mind like alt restrictions, cost index (and hence desired descent speed), etc.
Quote from: jomni
2) FL Change. - climb to target altitude by using an angle that maintains the current speed indicated in your control panel.
Not entirely correct; LVLCHG uses max N1 for the given climb thrust mode and alters its angle to the climb speed you set in the MCP.
For descent it reduces thrust to idle and alters angle to maintain speed set on MCP.
Quote from: jomni
3) V/S - user inputted vertical speed. this is what is normally used when following ATC instructions. This is probably what you want to do
Not sure in there's a target pitch option. I seldom use this option.
To use your own cruise speed make sure that the Speed hold button is off. But most of the time airline pilots just set their desired speed using the bug anyway. The plane will then do whatever it can to maintain that speed (throttle movement, pitch).
Now you are using GA tactics, jomni. :)
V/S is not the mainly used mode. For climb its LVLCHG or VNAV, for descent it's the same, although LVLCHG mainly if ATC want you to go down quickly.
Normally you would want to keep it in VNAV for max economy. But you will have to configure the FMC properly.
V/S is used mainly in a couple of situations;
In climb when you approach crossing traffic you reduce to 1000ft/min to avoid TCAS alerts. Same in descent.
Or when ATC want you to descent early, but you want to stay as high as you can as long as possible. Again 1000ft/min is Boeing std.
Then when you're flying visually you often use V/S as well in the last parts of the flight.
There is no real pitch hold mode.
My problem with LVLCHG going down is I fear I will miss the target altitude at a certain way point because the speed is wrong. V/S is easier to manage but it may be a wild ride. :)
What's the trick for LVLCHG on the way down? I know is should keep the throttles idle, set speed, and the autopilot will adjust pitch (and descend). But at what speed? Follow FMC VMAs plan?
So many typos and I can't edit them well in my Mobile Phone.
Quote from: jomni on September 05, 2013, 03:37:53 AM
My problem with LVLCHG going down is I fear I will miss the target altitude at a certain way point because the speed is wrong. V/S is easier to manage but it may be a wild ride. :)
That's called descent planning :) If you want to abide by a certain decscent speed you will need to know when to start descent to reach the various altitude restrictions.
This is what VNAV can do for you if you have entered everything in the FMC. It will calculate a path at idle trust while keeping the altitude restrictions and desired descent speed in mind.
V/S gives you more manual control, but you will loose certain safety 'features'; V/S will adjust pitch to keep the set V/S. Once it had thrust set to idle, but still needs more pitch down to gain the desired V/S it will ignore speed with the danger of going into overspeed.
In a climb you risk a stall if you don't pay attention, because once thrust has been set to Max N1, but it needs more pitch to gain the desired V/S it will let airspeed drop.
That's why it's not advised to use it as a main form of descent or climb mode.
Still, as with all modes, the target altitude window is always kept in mind. So if you get clearance to descent to 8.000ft from ATC, you select LVL CHG but leave 10.000ft in the MCP, the aircraft will level off at 10.000ft, regardless of mode used for descent.
Contrary, if you are worried you'll make the alt restriction, but want to manually control your descent, start early in LVL CHG but keep the MCP set at the next higher altitude limit. You might burn some extra fuel because you're longer at lower altitude, but it's safer than V/S.
If you have entered all data into the FMC, you can use the Vertical Mode Annuniator as a guidance for your descent planning.
Quote from: jomni
What's the trick for LVLCHG on the way down? I know is should keep the throttles idle, set speed, and the autopilot will adjust pitch (and descend). But at what speed? Follow FMC VMAs plan?
Like above; the VMA is a good guidance to see where you are in relation to its calculated path IF you have entered all data correctly. But remember that this VMA is a calculated path and might contain errors. In the real aircraft VNAV can be a bit finnicky to use, but that's a long story.
Descent speed is usually something the company wants. Cost Index results in a descent speed. (look in the FMC).
In LVL CHG you select that speed in the MCP and it will keep it.
ATC or local rules can of course demand other speeds than those that are desired by the company. You will have to either manually enter those into the FMC (many SIDs and STARs have correct speed limits in the FMC database, but not all, so verify!) or you will need to manually set those in the MCP and then fly in either LVL CHG or V/S mode. Updating each altitude limitation in the MCP as you pass the next waypoint. This will result in a stepped down descent rather than a continuous one.
Another option is to use the 'Speed Intervention' button (on the MCP, but not on every type of 737NG) if you fly in VNAV. This will open up the MCP speed window so you can select a speed like in LVL CHG to override the calculated FMC speed. This will fuck up your VMA though, because all of a sudden speed changes and it need to recalculate.
A general handy rule of thumb to use is the M's (meters) button on the CDS. You will now get M readout above your altitude indicator.
Your altitude in M's / 100 gives you your roughly needed track
miles to get down.
You might need to configure PMDG to give you the M option.
Hope I am making sense. :D
Quote from: jomni on September 05, 2013, 12:43:45 AM
Welcome to the world of airliners. Looks like you still have a General Aviation mentality :).
Anyway, for some of your questions:
FSX ATC does not see your FMC plan, they can only see what is loaded in the FSX flight planner. This is a fully automated flight with minimal pilot input. No need for ATC if planned properly.
Right, I got that. I want to use the FMC and ATC.
What I'm probably going to need to do is load a flight plan in FSX, and then also enter that same flight plan into the FMC and hope the sinc up; or else make changes to the FMC as assigned by ATC when I get my clearance.
I don't want to fly either/or. That defeats the whole purpose of having this uber-real airliner to fly.
You know what is interesting, and I may have said this before, is that I'm a former P-3 pilot.
In the P-3, we don't do anything via autopilot. The best we can hope for is (or was) a working altitude hold. That was it. The only P-3 I was ever in with a working 3-axis autopilot was the pax version P-3A ("Valkyrie") that was homeported at Keflavik. Every other P-3 I flew, we NEVER flew with more than alt hold because if you put all 3 axes on it would likely overheat the autopilot and you'd have no autopilot at all.
That wouldn't seem like a big deal except you can't trim a P-3 for level flight. Period. No matter how perfectly you trim the plane it will never hold its attitude. It's even in NATOPS that it will slowly porpoise around a given attitude even in perfect trim. So if you killed your alt hold (or if you never had it, about 10% of the time) those 9 hour reposition flights just plain sucked. Bad.
As far flight management, there was no such thing. Like I said, you had alt hold and that's it. The rest was pure pilotage. We got GPS integrated into the cockpit while I was there. Before that, if you had a handheld GPS we'd use that to "verify" our intertials, but you couldn't navigate via it by instruction.
The P-3 was very hands on to fly. It was pure hand flying. We had the capability for ILS but Navy fields use "PAR approach": http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Precision_approach_radar
where a controller gives you verbal vectors on heading and glideslope; very much a verbal ILS. I personally preferred the ILS at civilian/Air Force fields, but some guys preferred the PAR. So even on a good day you would hand fly it to localizer and then get talked in. It worked, but you had to get a feel for the controller and your particular plane's idiosyncrasies; if it was on heading, how it yawed, etc. There was a lot of technique involved. And each controller had a style, so you had to juggle all of this stuff and average it out into a control input.
I only had one real time where we were no-shit outside of mins and had to try to get a plane on deck below mins. We were flying into Misawa, Japan one night and they just had full on zero-zero fog onstation. We were coming in late at night and weather was clear and a million above about 200' and then zero-zero below. I was at controls and my plane commander was in the right seat. We decided to do an approach, can't remember what it's called now, where I'd fly the approach and when the runway was acquired by the right seat he'd take control for landing so I wouldn't have to transition from instruments to visual. My head was in the cockpit the whole time and at MA if he didn't have the runway we'd waveoff and go around.
My first approach was, unfortunately, my best. I nutted the PAR and hit our 200' mins and we got the runway lights in sight. Unfortunately, what we had was one set of lights to our right, one down our middle, and nothing to our left. So real quick we're saying "Does Misawa have centerline lights?!!!" while we're still descending onto maybe runway, maybe grass. At about 50' (this all happened in about 5 seconds) we call waveoff! and bam we're back up.
It turns out Misawa doesn't have centerline lights, so our left gear was in the grass.
We shot about 5 more approaches, but I just couldn't nut it like that first one. Each subsequent approach was just a little high, or fast, or whatever, but I couldn't hit mins on speed and alt at the right spot, and we never got such good visual to even try to get down. You'd get this glow of lights, but not enough to put it down. We ended up diverting to Atsugi and then the plane broke down and we were stuck there for a week!
Anyway, my point is just how different all of this autopilot stuff is to me. I'm quite a competent pilot, but I want to do it the correct airliner way, and that means mastering the FMC. In many ways I think this is harder than manually flying the plane as you really need to understand the plane's systems in more depth than you might otherwise know them. I'm struggling, but I enjoy the challenge. I don't want to take the easy way out and just "fly" the plane, as tempting as that is!
Nice story. You can nail that landing with modern avionics.
Airliners are so particular with fuel efficiency that proper (computer aided) planning is needed.
Then you need a fancy autopilot to fly the plan.
Sadly, It's all about managing the computers these days. Which is a different kind of flying. Piloting skills are still needed when there are system failures and emergencies. Maybe next in planes will be unmanned.
Great story Toonces. I can relate to that in a lesser sense; I have flown the Fokker 50 where we only had V/S, atltitude hold and an APP mode. No autothrottle.
The autopilot didnt work a lot of the time either.
It was mainly hand flown.
When I went to fly the 737 I felt exactly the same as you just described! :) Often just getting rid of the Autopilot and do it myself because I knew what I wanted to do, just not how to quickly control the A/P to do so.
One thing I am very glad for is the fact I did fly in a much more hands-on environment before. It's there that you learn to fly.
No to piss on others, but you often see a completely different mindset of pilots who know only glass cockpit style flying.
Gives even more food for thought about that MPL license that goes around, where students are trained for a specific type from day one of flight academy. The course is almost all simulator based...
They do not fly their hours in GA to get a license. They do not get their wings in the military. Just computer based training and afterwards they fly across the ocean with 400 people on board...
Quote from: Yskonyn on September 06, 2013, 09:22:28 AM
Great story Toonces. I can relate to that in a lesser sense; I have flown the Fokker 50 where we only had V/S, atltitude hold and an APP mode. No autothrottle.
The autopilot didnt work a lot of the time either.
It was mainly hand flown.
When I went to fly the 737 I felt exactly the same as you just described! :) Often just getting rid of the Autopilot and do it myself because I knew what I wanted to do, just not how to quickly control the A/P to do so.
One thing I am very glad for is the fact I did fly in a much more hands-on environment before. It's there that you learn to fly.
No to piss on others, but you often see a completely different mindset of pilots who know only glass cockpit style flying.
Gives even more food for thought about that MPL license that goes around, where students are trained for a specific type from day one of flight academy. The course is almost all simulator based...
They do not fly their hours in GA to get a license. They do not get their wings in the military. Just computer based training and afterwards they fly across the ocean with 400 people on board...
Yea that is scary... I started out in Cessna 150.... and my flight instructor was an ex Marine fighter pilot. You can fly flight sims from your desk all day... but your eyes will totally open up once 3 dimensions are introduced. Even flying something as simple as an C150 takes situational awareness up several notches.
PE
I just bought Air Hauler. You bastards...
I have no idea how to run an air freight company, but it didn't stop me from starting "ALH Sky Freight & Logistics, Inc."
Now what?
I'm in a hurry to get to airliner freight hauling, so I started on easy. If you start on medium or hard it will take a lot longer to build up your cash to expand, but you'll fly more.
Pick a decent hub. It's tempting to take that remote strip on a deserted island, but it be challenging when it comes time to actually make some money.
I started on easy with a hub in Atlantic City. Within the two weeks or so that I've been playing I've hired 3 pilots, bought a Mooney Bravo, and have two leased planes: a Dash-8 and Jetstream 4100 (the PMDG one). So I have my pilots flying a bunch of AI routes while I'm sleeping and stuff. My company's value is up to about 3 million so I'm slowly getting closer to that 737!
Just to make you guys drool. My Air Hauler fleet way back. I stopped flying it by the way as the debt piled up and I had to sell some planes. The perils of massive expansion.
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Niiiiiiiiiiiiice!
I can't wait to get my first airliner.
Quote from: Jarhead0331 on September 06, 2013, 08:02:53 PM
I just bought Air Hauler. You bastards...
I have no idea how to run an air freight company, but it didn't stop me from starting "ALH Sky Freight & Logistics, Inc."
Now what?
Choose an airport to fly from (I don't know what option you choose - but I choose Career so that I don't get an easy start (£100,000 I think and a Cessna) and I can't progress to bigger aircraft until my rep goes up. Some people like that challenge, if not go for easy and jump into whatever you like...then...
...just go with the flow.
Look at jobs (you can filter them so you can see inbound to/from your base etc), pick one at a time (pick more if you want, but if you don't do them, you get a huge drop in reputation) and fly.
Performing a job on time sees an increase of 0.5 to your rep. Not meeting the deadline sees a drop of 2.0. Make money (I tend to fly
at least enough to pay my monthly bills. Keep an eye on finances and rep and work your way up.
It's a great wee add on and just gives some flesh to an otherwise empty (albeit pretty good) sim.
Damage to aircraft will occur for heavy take offs etc.
Jomni
I think I asked you before - is it easy to create your own liveries?
Quote from: JudgeDredd on September 07, 2013, 04:53:09 AM
Jomni
I think I asked you before - is it easy to create your own liveries?
You need Photoshop (or Gimp) skills.
Knowledge of layers. Not really hard to learn.
The most important thing is to find the actual paintkit for your aircraft. Most major 3rd party developers will provide it.
A paintkit is a photoshop file that has several layers (base paint, windows, rivet details, etc.). Basically you insert your livery over base paint layer or change the color of the base layer itself. Then "flatten" the other layers into the image. You save your file into a bmp file. Convert it into DDS texture using DTXBmp. etc.
Try learning from this site.
http://www.simmerspaintshop.com/forums/forum33-tutorials/
lol - thx...but you lost me at "Hello" :D
I'll see if I can be bothered - I had hoped it was slightly easier
Quote from: JudgeDredd on September 07, 2013, 06:50:43 AM
lol - thx...but you lost me at "Hello" :D
I'll see if I can be bothered - I had hoped it was slightly easier
lol.. it does look cool though, I was gonna ask if Air Hauler, lets you pick/create your own skins!
Now does AirHauler give you planes to buy? Or can you basically buy what is in your inventory?
I think anything in FSX that's flyable is available - I think
Anything that you have installed in your FSX to be exact. There's a menu to add to Air Hauler's plane database to link a plane model and a skin.
Air Hauler will compute the stuff, performance, cargo capacity, price.
Then it's up to you if you can afford to buy or lease it for your company.
Hey Tuna
I'm following the Tristar tutorial you told me and I'm stuck. I've followed it to the letter and I get to the INS - put the co-ords in, but it won't align (yep - I'm doing each of the steps as laid out in the manual) - the number is not dropping from 9.
Any ideas?
Nevermind - it's going down now
Yeah.. I was having a hard time with that one too...
Turn that knob all the way off.. then turn it to Nav...
Go to your INS put it on POS
Enter your coordinates
Put it back on the other selection (don't have the book or game in front of me watching the Pats)..
Now go back and put that knob on Align.. and watch it.. I never saw it go to 9... I saw it go like 85, 75, 65, 55 Then the Nav light tuns Green.. then you can move the knob to Nav...
It takes a couple minutes
The 9 is the current performance state of the INS and the 5 is the minimum expected performance level
It starts displaying 95, then the 9 goes to 8, then 7 etc down to at least 5 as it aligns.
But it's heading down now ta.
COME ON PATS!
I've been spending a lot more time with the PMDG 737-800 and I'm starting to wrap my head around the autopilot and FMC. There are a few things I'm juggling; getting a flight plan uploaded into FSX and then getting that same flight plan uploaded into the FMC. I think I've figured that out. I'm not typically using any SIDs or STARs and allowing the FSX ATC to give me vectors. I honestly don't know how they do it in the real world flying out of somewhere like ATL or SLC; do they fly a STAR or does ATC give them vectors? I don't have much real-world experience flying into civilian fields so I just don't know.
Anyway, the two big challenges I am having still are changing the flight plan in the FMC once I begin vectors for landing, and clicking off the autopilot in preparation for landing. I have managed to get my ILS set up and get the APP autopilot to fly the approach for me, but the sudden clicking of buttons to turn off the autopilot is a cluster. I'm busy clicking all of these buttons off and alarms start bonging and meantime I'm passing through a few hundred feet and now my power setting goes from the autothrottle to my manual throttle and my whole approach gets chowed up on short final. Last night after I flew a very hot approach to missed approach into KSLC, on my second approach I clicked off the autopilot at 1,000AGL which seemed to work well in fine weather, but in true IMC it's defeating the whole purpose of a coupled approach function.
Oh, and slowing to landing speed has been challenging. The plane doesn't like to slow down! I need to figure out what my speed gates are so I can ensure I'm hitting them. Last night I was coming into SLC at 11,000 on vectors and 300kt. Then ATC started my decent at about 25 miles and between the combination of the decent and already sitting at 300kt I couldn't get the plane slowed down to landing speed; I was still doing about 190 on short final! Even with 25 miles to slow down. So I have to figure out my speed profile much better.
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Quote from: Toonces on September 18, 2013, 01:15:28 PM
I've been spending a lot more time with the PMDG 737-800 and I'm starting to wrap my head around the autopilot and FMC. There are a few things I'm juggling; getting a flight plan uploaded into FSX and then getting that same flight plan uploaded into the FMC. I think I've figured that out. I'm not typically using any SIDs or STARs and allowing the FSX ATC to give me vectors. I honestly don't know how they do it in the real world flying out of somewhere like ATL or SLC; do they fly a STAR or does ATC give them vectors? I don't have much real-world experience flying into civilian fields so I just don't know.
I used an external program called FSCommander to do the plan. Then save as an FSX flight plan and load it in FSX. Then input the same route in the FMC. That way they are synced. I don't use FSCommander now for planning. I use PFPX because it's more "professional".
SID and STAR are usually selected by the pilot when filing or assigned to you by the ATC. This makes their life easier since they don't need to vector you. But on airports with lighter load, they may vector you if they want. Default FSX ATC does not know SID / STAR.
I fly exclusively online in VATSIM now. SID and STAR are particularly useful when the ATC is offline (no one to vector you).
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Perhaps the ugliest plane I have ever seen, but I picked it up! I'll throw it into my Air Hauler fleet when I get enough cash and use it to make the big bucks!
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Finally got my World of AI properly installed.
Detroit Metro:
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Hey Toonces...what air traffic pack are you using? You seem to have a fair few aircraft sitting at the airport there...just wondering if it's FSX's own setting or an addon - I use TrafficX and not sure I see that much aircraft around.
I am using something called "World of AI". It's a freeware program that is similar to TrafficX (and in fact I would expect Traffic X to be better).
It is very easy to install. The hard part is that you have to download the individual airline packages from flightsim.com or avsim.com. And you have to download each individually. And...for flightsim.com you can only download one at a time for free. So the whole process is time-consuming to download all the the packages. But once you download them and unzip them, installation is relatively painless.
It's supposed to be a very good freeware version of the payware traffic programs. I'm going to keep using it for a while. I've been looking at Traffic 360, which is basically Traffic X, but if I can save a few dollars with a good freeware add-on that would be nice. My FSX installation is starting to get kind of pricey!
I have simply GOT to get a new ATC add-on for FSX. I'm still flying 100% offline and the FSX ATC sucks. Tonight I got vectored onto a 60 mile final for the ILS 33L into BWI. I go through all this pain and then don't you know ATC vectors a Southwest 737 in front of me, to land BEHIND me? So on about a 3 mile final I have to click off autopilot, duck under this guy, and then recover my approach, while he, of course, gets a go-around. WTF? I'm so sick of these 50 and 60 mile vectors to final.
Earlier this week I got vectored onto 3 go-arounds into ATL; finally I just scooted over to the adjacent runway on short final when I had a plane cluttering the runway so I could get the flight over with.
I'm going to go check out Radar Contact and see what the reviews say about it.
Go get Radar Contact Toonces . I highly recommend it.
Yeah, the reviews seem very favorable. It sounds like HAL talking but I've got to do something.
I just flew the second leg of my flight, BWI - DTW (Detroit Metro). I get about 60nm out and then get on vectors. I'm cruising along minding my own business at 14K (hoping for a decent sometime this century) when ATC just plain cancels my clearance! So I check the log just to make sure I didn't miss a call; I didn't. I re-open my flightplan and get vectored back to 26K! I managed to salvage everything by requesting 12k and then slowing way down in preparation for fouled up vectors. Shoot the ILS and just barely, barely miss getting a go-around for a Southwest jet pulling off the active in front of me. Whew!
So yeah, I've gotta try something else and all the searches I did seem to indicate Radar Contact is the best ATC add-on available. I fly IFR too much to deal with this much longer.
Here's my new toy. Flight simming is a money sucker. But never mind, it's still cheaper than her Prada bag. :)
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Very nice Jomni..
Quote from: Toonces on September 19, 2013, 09:11:59 PM
I have simply GOT to get a new ATC add-on for FSX. I'm still flying 100% offline and the FSX ATC sucks. Tonight I got vectored onto a 60 mile final for the ILS 33L into BWI. I go through all this pain and then don't you know ATC vectors a Southwest 737 in front of me, to land BEHIND me? So on about a 3 mile final I have to click off autopilot, duck under this guy, and then recover my approach, while he, of course, gets a go-around. WTF? I'm so sick of these 50 and 60 mile vectors to final.
Earlier this week I got vectored onto 3 go-arounds into ATL; finally I just scooted over to the adjacent runway on short final when I had a plane cluttering the runway so I could get the flight over with.
I'm going to go check out Radar Contact and see what the reviews say about it.
I hate this too, (pain in the a$$) when the ATC becomes erratic bunching up landing aircraft of active runways just in front or behind you, even with low density air traffic setting. I haven't ventured in MP as far as having the op of a human ATC vectoring me for landing, must be fun for sure, but still prefer SP over MP anyday.
I just got my First Officer rating in the MD-80 series at Delta Virtual, so I'm going to be taking that up for a spin.
Nice rig you got there Jomni!
The problem with mp in VATSIM is that you won't get as many aircraft in the airports and the skies as with SP.
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Thanks...won't pick this one up but heads up are most VERY welcome.
what's going on with the Tristar?
When I first got it and was doing the tutorial, the first page of the tutorial mentions clicking S and L on the panel selector
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^NEVERMIND....loaded the wrong Tristar (actually loaded the wrong mission which had a different Tristar!)!
New rig = SUPERB quality in this game...but it does seem to crash pretty bloody often. That's going to make Air Hauler a pita.
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That tristar is beautiful. (drool)
Freight dog from KFLL to SBEG IFR.
While trying the ILS approach on RWY 10 with, the ATC was responsible for the THREE (3) go arounds (bastard must've been drunk). I finally managed to land safely on a visual approach with bad weather conditions.
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Judge, I seem to crash a lot with the Tristar as well.. getting frustrating, at first I thought it was FSX.. but now that I think of it, it's been in that plane.
I'll give Air Hauler a go later...thx
I took the Mad Dog up last night into the pattern at KSLC last night, just to goof off and get a sense of how the plane flies. Man alive but is that a tough plane to fly! It's all about trim. I didn't even have trim tabs mapped to my HOTAS since I fly the PMDG 737 so much and just don't need them in that plane.
Once I got my head wrapped around trim it was a bit easier, but it was still tough. The plane seems really underpowered. I thought for a while that it was an issue with my throttle. When the gear and flaps are out the plane needs a ton of power to maintain speed and it's very unresponsive to throttle input.
I'm going to need to spend more time with it for sure. The 737 is so much friendlier to fly. What a gentle plane the 737 is.
Goddammit!
2 crashes in Air Hauler (well FSX whilst running Air Hauler)...which means my mission has been missed and I've lost rep.
This is where Air Hauler sucks balls. You should be allowed to "adjust" the rep. You work hard each mission to gain 05. rep - and if you screw up you lose 2 rep...that means you need to perform 4 successful missions to get back to where you were. I wouldn't mind if it was my bloody fault...but with FSX booting you out, there should be a mechanism where you could just take the success and move on.
::)
Getting bored with crashes. And it's not my new system. I've always suffered occasional crashes in FSX - with and without air hauler and even before I had the addons I have now!
Quote from: JudgeDredd on September 21, 2013, 06:53:33 AM
New rig = SUPERB quality in this game...but it does seem to crash pretty bloody often.
Did you slap in the uiautomationcore.dll?
eh?
I never knew about that.
Done. Hopefully that's the answer! Thanks.
I never really bothered looking it up (FSX crashing) because it always seemed so random.
Something that's been confusing me of late....I always played with Progressive Taxi on to show me where to go...I have no idea about airports or taxi ways despite reading about them.
Now I know that runway 27 is a heading of 270. I've just been told to taxi to and hold short of runway 27. I zoomed out to look at the runway and saw that it was to the back right of my aircraft (runaway end had a big "& on it). However putting on Progressive Taxi to check, and it's having me head to 09.
So when it says taxi to and hold short Runway 27, it DOES mean go to the edge of the runway that says 27 doesn't it?
And what does "Maintain 1,800 until established"...what does it mean by "until established"...bearing in mind I'm not using ILS. Am I "established" when I hit the "cone" coming out of the assigned runway?
Ok, two questions here.
When Ground tells you to taxi to 27, then you should be at the end of the runway with 27 on it, so that you're taking of heading 270'ish (rounded). If progressive took you to 09, then FSX glitched, the winds changed and they didn't tell you, or maybe the runway was being used as a taxiway....called a "back taxi" when you taxi down the runway to the other end for takeoff. Depending on the field, especially if it's a really small field, that is possible. I've done it before in a P-3.
For your second question, "until established" means "until established on the glideslope". If you're on ILS then that's obvious. If you're shooting a non-precision approach like a VOR, then you stay at that height until you're on the part of the approach that allows you to descend to your decision height (it's called something else on a non-precision approach but I can't remember what right now). With a VOR there will usually be a DME associated with the height at which you can descend to the minimum altitude for the approach.
If you're shooting a visual then just stay there until you pick up the VASI lights and then get on the visual glideslope.
Make sense?
I was trying to fly into some crappy weather tonight. I've been using the "real weather" default on FSX the last few weeks and it never seemed to be bad weather. So tonight I deliberately flew into some bad weather on Delta's weather center, and still the weather was nice! Finally I googled it and it turns out that the FSX/Jeppeson thing isn't working anymore, which is why the weather was always defaulting to clear.
I searched some more and then finally bit the bullet and bought Active Sky 2012. It was between that and REX and Active Sky got the nod simply because it seemed easier to download and install. I just did my first flight, Mexico City into Acapulco, which looked really bad on the live weather radar Active Sky uses. Sure enough, flying into there was pretty sketchy. I broke out pretty high, maybe 1,500 feet and 4 miles vis, but there were thunderstorms on station and it was a mess! Really nice effects. Without anything besides FSX default to compare it to, I'm quite happy so far.
Nice to finally have live weather updating again.
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Quote from: Toonces on September 22, 2013, 03:44:16 AM
Ok, two questions here.
When Ground tells you to taxi to 27, then you should be at the end of the runway with 27 on it, so that you're taking of heading 270'ish (rounded). If progressive took you to 09, then FSX glitched, the winds changed and they didn't tell you, or maybe the runway was being used as a taxiway....called a "back taxi" when you taxi down the runway to the other end for takeoff. Depending on the field, especially if it's a really small field, that is possible. I've done it before in a P-3.
For your second question, "until established" means "until established on the glideslope". If you're on ILS then that's obvious. If you're shooting a non-precision approach like a VOR, then you stay at that height until you're on the part of the approach that allows you to descend to your decision height (it's called something else on a non-precision approach but I can't remember what right now). With a VOR there will usually be a DME associated with the height at which you can descend to the minimum altitude for the approach.
If you're shooting a visual then just stay there until you pick up the VASI lights and then get on the visual glideslope.
Make sense?
Thank you.
Both make sense and in particular the taxi-ing...they actually told me to take off runway 27 taxi runway X - so it was telling me to taxi down the runway - hence why progressive showed going to 09 (I think it was)
Thx
Dude, enough with the Cessna. It's time to graduate to big boy planes! ;D
lol - but the Cessna is so simple!
I don't mean to derail but is there a source for high fidelity Soviet airliners? Ive been reading a lot about Tupolev and it'd be fun to play the commie airline pilot for a bit.
There is a wonderfully made Sukhoi Superjet for XPlane 10 but that's a modern one with avionics similar to airbus.
Freeware Russian jets for FSX here.
http://www.avsimrus.com/f/fsx-aircrafts-79/
Quote from: jomni on September 21, 2013, 06:42:04 PM
Quote from: JudgeDredd on September 21, 2013, 06:53:33 AM
New rig = SUPERB quality in this game...but it does seem to crash pretty bloody often.
Did you slap in the uiautomationcore.dll?
Thanks, this seemed to fix my crashes...
Also had my first successful ILS landing of the L-1101 tonight.. so psyched!!.. lol.. I"ve landed by hand quite a few times.. always ugly.. lots of crashes..
Man, I have a real problem. I am totally addicted to this right now. I keep wanting to buy more add-ons.
I am pretty sure FSX is now my most expensive entertainment software, between the base game and all the crap I've added to it since you guys started this thread.
Anyway, I was about to buy the ERJ combo pack from FeelThere but then decided to spend some time with the CLS MD-81 package I picked up on Friday. I got into the pattern at Kalaeloa which is right down the street from my house and did touch and go's for a while. I'm starting to get the feel for the jet. You really have to stay ahead of it; it's not nearly as forgiving as the 737 is.
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Quote from: Toonces on September 22, 2013, 06:11:45 AM
Dude, enough with the Cessna. It's time to graduate to big boy planes! ;D
I do want to get to jets, and when I'm not flying Air Hauler, those are the babies I take up...but I choose Career difficulty in Air Hauler - meaning I can't graduate to jets until I get proficient (enough rep...which is quite a way away) and enough money (also quite a way away!)
I think I found what I'm looking for: http://www.rossiya-virtual.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=19&Itemid=19&l.. (http://www.rossiya-virtual.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=19&Itemid=19&l..)
Very soon Soviet Socialist Republic Airways will be operation. In Soviet Russia, AIRLINE choose where you go!
Nice pics guys. The jets and modern airliners are great to fly, but single props and other classics come first in my preference order. The "vanilla" aircraft are great per se, but there are a lot of prop aircraft addons out there, both freeware and payware for one to meddle with, not to mention jets and airliners of all eras.
Toonces, i agree with your obs, it makes sense with those non precision approaches. I'm no seasoned navigator by any means but i believe the best way to understand the different kind of messages the ATCs give when trying different kind of approaches is to study the in game map/charts for navaids, NDBs, VORs, position as well as the GPS (very useful for understanding approaches).
FSX is a marvelous sophisticated sim/game with ENDLESS replay and educational value.
Quote from: Toonces on September 22, 2013, 10:00:41 PM
Man, I have a real problem. I am totally addicted to this right now. I keep wanting to buy more add-ons.
I am pretty sure FSX is now my most expensive entertainment software, between the base game and all the crap I've added to it since you guys started this thread.
Anyway, I was about to buy the ERJ combo pack from FeelThere but then decided to spend some time with the CLS MD-81 package I picked up on Friday. I got into the pattern at Kalaeloa which is right down the street from my house and did touch and go's for a while. I'm starting to get the feel for the jet. You really have to stay ahead of it; it's not nearly as forgiving as the 737 is.
I would discourage you from purchasing anything by FeelThere... I have several of their products and I will never purchase again.
PE
Really. Hmmm. Well that isn't good to hear because I'm rated in the ERJ in my virtual airline and I need something for shorter haul routes.
What don't you like about feelThere? Is there a better ERJ (specifically ERJ-175/195) that you would recommend?
What's the best terrain software out there? I have UTX - but either I haven't configured it properly, or it's rubbish....or I just fly in rubbish places.
OrbX looks nice....but I don't like the fact it's split down into regions. I'd rather just pay for "THE WORLD".
Quote from: JudgeDredd on September 23, 2013, 01:04:36 PM
What's the best terrain software out there? I have UTX - but either I haven't configured it properly, or it's rubbish....or I just fly in rubbish places.
OrbX looks nice....but I don't like the fact it's split down into regions. I'd rather just pay for "THE WORLD".
Do you want Mesh, Terrain textures, or Landclass?
PE
Quote from: Toonces on September 23, 2013, 12:54:35 PM
Really. Hmmm. Well that isn't good to hear because I'm rated in the ERJ in my virtual airline and I need something for shorter haul routes.
What don't you like about feelThere? Is there a better ERJ (specifically ERJ-175/195) that you would recommend?
I don't off the top of my head, I just have avoided Feelthere will their lack of support from their releases.
PE
Quote from: PanzersEast on September 23, 2013, 01:11:11 PM
Quote from: JudgeDredd on September 23, 2013, 01:04:36 PM
What's the best terrain software out there? I have UTX - but either I haven't configured it properly, or it's rubbish....or I just fly in rubbish places.
OrbX looks nice....but I don't like the fact it's split down into regions. I'd rather just pay for "THE WORLD".
Do you want Mesh, Terrain textures, or Landclass?
PE
Absolutely no idea. Whichever makes the terrain look "busier" and "real"
Quote from: JudgeDredd on September 23, 2013, 02:14:23 PM
Quote from: PanzersEast on September 23, 2013, 01:11:11 PM
Quote from: JudgeDredd on September 23, 2013, 01:04:36 PM
What's the best terrain software out there? I have UTX - but either I haven't configured it properly, or it's rubbish....or I just fly in rubbish places.
OrbX looks nice....but I don't like the fact it's split down into regions. I'd rather just pay for "THE WORLD".
Do you want Mesh, Terrain textures, or Landclass?
PE
Absolutely no idea. Whichever makes the terrain look "busier" and "real"
1. Terrain Textures
FTX Global
Great terrain textures, 3d night lighting without FPS hit. My biggest purchase as it is global and the others mentioned.
http://www.fullterrain.com/product_ftxglobal.html
2. Terrain Mesh
FSGenesis
This is what I own and the world coverage is pretty good.
http://www.fsgenesis.com/
3. Land Class
SceneryTech
I own this set and is pretty nice, but if you own UTX then you should be fine with that. If you do get FTX Global, you will have to change the settings for night lighting.
http://www.scenerytech.com
My #1 recommended terrain add-on is FTX Global, it encompasses the world with great land textures and has night lighting with low to none FPS loss.
PE
Can I ask what the difference is between Textures, mesh and land class? Do I need all 3? You seem to own both mesh and textures
It does look nice!.. But whoa at that price!
Quote from: JudgeDredd on September 23, 2013, 02:41:32 PM
Can I ask what the difference is between Textures, mesh and land class? Do I need all 3? You seem to own both mesh and textures
I own all of them....
Textures > Makes the ground look nice. It is the image files that give the ground, mountain etc....
Mesh > Deals with elevation and representation of land masses like mountains, valleys, rolling plains etc...
Landclass > positions roads, coast lines, towns etc.... in their correct placement. It has detailed information about the landscape placement.
I own all three, however I would place them in the order above.
PE
Quote from: Tuna on September 23, 2013, 02:51:43 PM
It does look nice!.. But whoa at that price!
Well.... it is worth it as you get the entire world and also night lighting is thrown in there. With the GEX series you have to buy them in different areas (North America, Canada, Europe, Tropics, Middle East) @ $34.95 - 49.95 a piece and South America, Asia etc.... areas are not done... which add up to a lot more and do not include the night lighting.
PE
Thanks PE.
I'm very tempted on them...but does FTX Global still have DX10 issues? It says so in the product page but I don't know if that's up to date
Quote from: JudgeDredd on September 23, 2013, 03:26:02 PM
Thanks PE.
I'm very tempted on them...but does FTX Global still have DX10 issues? It says so in the product page but I don't know if that's up to date
To my knowledge it has not been addressed as of 1.10... however I know it is coming and is a priority.
PE
I highly recommend FTX Global for textures.
As a bonus, the building and forest autogen that comes with it are outstanding. Night lighting as well.
I had no problem with FeelThere ERJ. I find them good and quite detailed.
$95, huh? I think I'm going to have to hold off on that until I spend more time with FSX...make sure this isn't just some phase I'm going through, which it may be. I'm like that sometimes.
Do you switch Autogen off in FSX if you are using a third party tool?
What do you mean by third party tool?
I took this
QuoteAs a bonus, the building and forest autogen that comes with it are outstanding. Night lighting as well.
to mean FTX Global comes with it's own autogen...and I was wondering if you had to stop FSX autogen for fear of over taxing the cpu for no benefit (what's the point in having FSX autogen running when FTX Global has it's own autogen engine)
I was referring to FTX Global as the "third party"
Quote from: JudgeDredd on September 24, 2013, 06:04:58 AM
I took this
QuoteAs a bonus, the building and forest autogen that comes with it are outstanding. Night lighting as well.
to mean FTX Global comes with it's own autogen...and I was wondering if you had to stop FSX autogen for fear of over taxing the cpu for no benefit (what's the point in having FSX autogen running when FTX Global has it's own autogen engine)
I was referring to FTX Global as the "third party"
But all that money for just "Eye Candy"!... I think you cash would be better spent on this!
http://www.a2asimulations.com/store/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=39 (http://www.a2asimulations.com/store/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=39)
Expensive, but totally immersive, and you'd have cash left over! Note: You have to buy the Base B-17 as well.. so it ends up being 70 bucks. I spend more time looking 'inside' the cockpit than out... Yeah would be nice to see prettier landscape, but at that price!.. Again, I'm not hardcore like some of the fliers who log a heck of a lot more hours.. so to them, I can understand it being worth it.. But Judge, I see you as being like me.. flying every now and then (Though I have been putting a lot more time in lately with all that I've learned the last few weeks with the great help I got here! 8))
Quote from: Tuna on September 24, 2013, 07:59:14 AM
Note: You have to buy the Base B-17 as well.. so it ends up being 70 bucks. I spend more time looking 'inside' the cockpit than out... Yeah would be nice to see prettier landscape, but at that price!.. Again, I'm not hardcore like some of the fliers who log a heck of a lot more hours.. so to them, I can understand it being worth it.. But Judge, I see you as being like me.. flying every now and then (Though I have been putting a lot more time in lately with all that I've learned the last few weeks with the great help I got here! 8))
Still my favorite A/C to fly...... this winter I will fly around the world in the B-17!
PE
I will get that as well...it's only £19
Quote from: JudgeDredd on September 24, 2013, 08:04:38 AM
I will get that as well...it's only £19
You need to buy the base plane as well Judge!
But still it's awesome!!!.. ask PanzersEast, he has it as well..
I'm thinking of attempting an around the world flight in it!..
Lol.. too bad I can't afford that Global GFX package! ;)
Ah - ok...£40 is a bit more than I would like for a single aircraft
lol.. but more than that is ok for what's outside the Window!... sorry.. just kidding..
I was the same way Judge.. I actually bought the B-17 a year ago.. didn't want to pay the extra cash for the Accusim...
but then this August.. it was my birthday.. I figured what the heck..Panzer's East talked me into it..
It is awesome!.. So immersive!... Blow's away that L-1101...
Ask Toonce, I think he said he bought the Stratocruiser by them.. They really are awesome reproductions..
Quote from: JudgeDredd on September 24, 2013, 06:04:58 AM
I took this
QuoteAs a bonus, the building and forest autogen that comes with it are outstanding. Night lighting as well.
to mean FTX Global comes with it's own autogen...and I was wondering if you had to stop FSX autogen for fear of over taxing the cpu for no benefit (what's the point in having FSX autogen running when FTX Global has it's own autogen engine)
I was referring to FTX Global as the "third party"
No you still keep the FSX autogen settings slider to your preference. No need to turn off.
The way FTX Global works is that it
overwrites fsx default scenery and autogen. It is not like other scenery where you can turn it on or off in the scenery list.
Ok - thank you.
I never got the Stratocruiser. I got the PMDG 737 instead.
I joined Delta Virtual Airlines a couple of weeks ago and I've been spending most of my time flying their routes now. It really gives some direction to my simming; when else am I ever going to fly into Salt Lake City?
I'm sticking to flying planes I'm rated in, and the routes those planes fly. I'm enjoying myself so far.
In order to get rated in the MD-80 series I have to pass a checkride in the plane. You have to record the flight in ACARS and then it gets evaluated by a chief pilot for compliance with the proper parameters handling the plane, following the SID/STAR and all that. It's been quite a challenge to fly the plane by the book.
Isn't the MD a downgrade from a 737
In a way I suppose it is. It's not nearly as automated as the 737. I find it more difficult to fly, but it could be because I don't have as much time with it.
The way DVA is set up they put groups of planes in "stages" that are roughly equivalent. I'm in Stage 2 which included the 737 variants, the MD-80s, and the A-320 series. When you sign up you have to choose which of the three groupings you want to start in; I chose the737 since I had the PMDG aircraft. In order to fly a plane in the same stage besides the one you're in initially you have to fly a checkride in the plane you're applying to.
In order to promote to the next stage of plane you have to earn Captain in your main plane (737 for me) and then apply to transfer to the next stage. For me this would be the 727. I've been holding off on buying the Captain Sim 727 until I get promoted; kind of a reward to myself for doing it!
Quote from: Toonces on September 24, 2013, 07:37:52 PM
In a way I suppose it is. It's not nearly as automated as the 737. I find it more difficult to fly, but it could be because I don't have as much time with it.
The way DVA is set up they put groups of planes in "stages" that are roughly equivalent. I'm in Stage 2 which included the 737 variants, the MD-80s, and the A-320 series. When you sign up you have to choose which of the three groupings you want to start in; I chose the737 since I had the PMDG aircraft. In order to fly a plane in the same stage besides the one you're in initially you have to fly a checkride in the plane you're applying to.
In order to promote to the next stage of plane you have to earn Captain in your main plane (737 for me) and then apply to transfer to the next stage. For me this would be the 727. I've been holding off on buying the Captain Sim 727 until I get promoted; kind of a reward to myself for doing it!
727 is interesting. Even more manual stuff. It's quite exciting and fulfilling actually.
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Can I ask what your setup is Jomni, in terms of environment addons (lights, weather, terrain) (sorry if you already have somewhere)
Quote from: JudgeDredd on September 25, 2013, 03:34:43 AM
Can I ask what your setup is Jomni, in terms of environment addons (lights, weather, terrain) (sorry if you already have somewhere)
Weather: OPUS http://www.opussoftware.co.uk/opusfsi.htm
Cloud Textures / airport textures (see the wet parts of the airport): REX http://www.realenvironmentxtreme.com
Ground Texture (and Autogen): FTX Global http://www.fullterrain.com/
Landclass: Scenery Tech because I fly around Asia http://www.scenerytech.com/products/landclass/ (UTX may be better alternative in for EU and US. FTX will have their own Landclass in the future. Europe will be released first).
Lighting: ENB Series mod. http://www.lockonfiles.com/files/file/1324-fsx-enb-series-mod/ (This one is free. There are many custom config files floating around. We can discuss more about this later.)
Water: FS Water Configurator http://www.strikingsoftware.com/fswc.shtml (Free)
Just to add, my aircraft is Carenado C208 and not default.
I really think I'm going to have to get FTX Global!
Quote from: JudgeDredd on September 25, 2013, 04:27:23 AM
I really think I'm going to have to get FTX Global!
But you just bought Command.
I know...but I did sell my old motherboard, processor, memory, graphics card and monitor for £160...I just need to keep it secret!
Screen shots of mine with FTX Global
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PE
Oh dear! :-X
Another Classic Plane on Sale.
QuoteCONSTELLATION PROFESSIONAL (Download) - PC Pilot magazine praised our Constellation Professional add-on as "the finest rendition of this iconic aircraft ever to grace a PC" and for the next few weeks the Download edition is yours for just £10.20 / €12.75 / $15.30 (usual price £20.40 / €25.50 / $30.65). Use the discount code CONNIE.
http://www.justflight.com/product/constellation-professional-download?utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Just+Flight++Just+Trains+Newsletter+-+September+2013&utm_content=Just+Flight++Just+Trains+Newsletter+-+September+2013+CID_e32dfcb3f16a422b1cadb40ad80e9a98&utm_source=cm&utm_term=CONSTELLATION%20PROFESSIONAL%20Download
Quote from: jomni on September 25, 2013, 06:07:36 PM
Quote from: JudgeDredd on September 25, 2013, 07:56:11 AM
Oh dear! :-X
The pull is getting stronger?
Yes...just waiting for a bit of stability in the bank and I think I will be there.
I have forgone my want for an airbrush and compressor for the moment.
You guys are close to wooing me back to civ-simming with this thread...
Not flightsim but this is the reason why we have ATC. Just look at that guy's face.
Thanks for posting that Constellation code; I just bought it and am downloading now.
Please keep letting us know when these sales crop up. I check JustFlight every day or so; this sale isn't even advertised!
And...I just found out I have enough money in Air Hauler to lease one. So this is win-win!
Quote from: Toonces on September 28, 2013, 02:20:13 AM
Thanks for posting that Constellation code; I just bought it and am downloading now.
Please keep letting us know when these sales crop up. I check JustFlight every day or so; this sale isn't even advertised!
You have to subscribe to their newsletter or be a frequent customer. ;)
Ground crew courtesy of GSX. http://www.fsdreamteam.com/products_gsx.html
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Low visibility landing. Trust your charts and your instruments. :) Don't trust the ATC.
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Picked up FTX Global. Bank was looking good and kids won't starve - bread and water is ok isn't it? :-)
Anyway - I've wanted FSX to look good for years - and now I finally have the hardware - I want it to look the best it can.
Quote from: JudgeDredd on September 28, 2013, 07:38:30 AM
Picked up FTX Global. Bank was looking good and kids won't starve - bread and water is ok isn't it? :-)
Anyway - I've wanted FSX to look good for years - and now I finally have the hardware - I want it to look the best it can.
Good going. ;D
I'm Jealous!
yeah - but u have a beautiful plane to fly around the world in...I'm stuck with FSX's standard planes
lol.. that was two pieces that I bought a year apart.. so the financial hurt was not that bad..
too bad Accusim doesn't have sales.. it really is a work of art!
And a few screenies...leaving Seattle for VFR to New York
FSX with FTX Global and REX (Real Environment Xtreme 2.0)
The images aren't great though. I think it's photobucket reduces them (or my screen grab software) but it looks great in game. Unfortunately I know sod all about jets and overstressed the aircraft after take off.
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I'm loving FTX Global...gives some life to the sim
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It does indeed look impressive, JD. I'll have to start dropping some heavy hints in certain quarters about Christmas pressies......
Judge, you like the Cessna right?
Why not get this:
http://www.a2asimulations.com/store/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=56
It's got a lot of things simulated, even wear and tear.
Is this a close call?
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And this is Heathrow at night
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Quote from: jomni on September 29, 2013, 07:45:18 AM
Judge, you like the Cessna right?
Why not get this:
http://www.a2asimulations.com/store/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=56
It's got a lot of things simulated, even wear and tear.
Because it's £30+
Besides - it's not that I "like" the Cessna - though it does come across as easy to fly - I have to fly it in Air Hauler
In my Aeroflot research I found this documentary http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TSK2gLDpOYY (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TSK2gLDpOYY)
That was really cool, Republic! Thanks for posting that. I wish they had the whole show, I was totally into it.
Its there I'll see if I can link the playlist with all the parts.
Edit: Here it is, but its in backwards order so you'll have to play each one manually- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G9mzefejoZ8&list=PLF2CDB9F24D5F3108 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G9mzefejoZ8&list=PLF2CDB9F24D5F3108)
Who wants better AI traffic library?
JustFlight is at it again.
http://www.justflight.com/product/traffic-360-download?utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Traffic+360+-+24+Hour+Deal+03Oct2013&utm_content=Traffic+360+-+24+Hour+Deal+03Oct2013+CID_3ff147f2ec37d13de7933af492b3901e&utm_source=cm&utm_term=Buy%20Traffic%20360%20Download%20for%205%20%206%20%208
But I moved on to another traffic program. My Traffic X
I so bought that. I mean $8? SOLD! :-*
Quote from: Toonces on October 03, 2013, 10:01:48 PM
I so bought that. I mean $8? SOLD! :-*
pretty good. Less management needed compared to world of Ai freeware.
It was called Traffic X before and wasn't updated for a while. So i moved on to My Traffic X a few years back because I found it to be updated more frequently. Then just recently they updated Traffic X to Traffic 360... So it was not dead after all.
Yeah you confused me a bit there...I was thinking that Traffic360 was the latest iteration of that program.
Quote from: Toonces on October 03, 2013, 10:20:58 PM
Yeah you confused me a bit there...I was thinking that Traffic360 was the latest iteration of that program.
It is the latest.
Before it was called Traffic X now it is called Traffic 360.
But before it got upgraded, I switched to My Traffic X (different software made my another compan) because I thought Traffic X was dead. Apparently I was wrong.
In short Traffic X and My Traffic X are different. Maybe that's why the first one is now called Traffic 360.
Nice one...picked up thanks.
I had Traffic X
I installed the GTX demo last night.. very nice indeed.. lol.. but the price!!!.. Arggggh..
Thanks for all the notes about the sales!
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P3D is beginning to shape up as the next generation of FSX.
http://www.prepar3d.com/news/2013/10/4507/
Before they were quite identical. But it seems we are getting modern graphics enhancements (like XPlane) in version 2. I'm pretty much inclined to get this now.
Thanks for that Jomni, I had never heard of Prepar3D. Why has X-Plane not caught on more? Especially now that Microsoft shuttered their flight sim studio. I just assumed at this point everyone would have transitioned to making X-Plane addons.
^ possibly because of the massive amount of money some people have sunk into FSX - and it only really gets better with DLC.
X-Plane has it's following. The one time I tried it though, the interface was very confusing. I might not have given it a full and fair go to be fair - but it felt like it was fighting me
Watching video's on the PMDG 737 on Youtube... boy that is an amazing model!... Sort of like DCS Commericial airline.. I don't know whether it tempts me to buy it, or scares the hell out of me!
You guys that bought the Tristar. Do you find that the altitude sometimes goes wacky when in Auto Pilot?
I found I can prevent it from happening when I get close to Alt, by easing the ascent ratio as I get closer. But it still happens to me sometimes when trying to land, makes APR useless.. Didn't know if it was just me, or a bug in the plane..
I haven't tried the L-1011 yet, but the PMDG 737 is amazing. I have several payware add-on aircraft now, but none of them even come remotely close to the 737. I highly recommend it.
Quote from: Toonces on October 08, 2013, 09:31:35 PM
I haven't tried the L-1011 yet, but the PMDG 737 is amazing. I have several payware add-on aircraft now, but none of them even come remotely close to the 737. I highly recommend it.
It looks awesome! Is it hard to learn? Or do they give you a good tutorial? Lol the idea of a 2500 page manual is scary!
But again, in the videos if found it looks awesome!
It does take a bit of an investment to learn. Mostly, you have to figure out the basics of the FMC. The plane runs off of the computer, so if you don't take a few minutes to set it up it is not easy to fly. For example, you have to set up the weight and balance first (the FMC will calculate it but you have to press the right buttons) so the jet knows what power setting to use for takeoff.
Once you get airborne you'll want to use your autopilot and, again, you have to have the FMC set up for it to work properly.
I think I spent about 2 hours working through the tutorials and reading and I now have a fair idea of how to get from A to B. The only part that is a bit of a soup sandwich is setting up my approach using ATC vectors. I'm not sure how to effectively set up an RNAV or ILS approach using the FMC once I get vectored off the flight plan. I can do it, but not the right way.
The jet comes with a quick start tutorial that teaches you enough to get flying pretty quickly. It's not that hard to learn the basics.
how is it on SEAD missions?
Quote from: GDS_Starfury on October 08, 2013, 10:15:32 PM
how is it on SEAD missions?
It's better at doing anti-sub warfare.
http://www.boeing.com/boeing/defense-space/military/p8a/
Ordered the PMDG 737 NGX from Amazon!.. It was ten dollars less than most places, and I used 25 bucks worth of Amazon Points.. so great deal!...
Lol, now I just gotta get REX, UTX and Air Hauler!
I got word that AIR HAULER 2 is in the works. :D
Wondering which to buy next.. REX or Air Hauler..
Just discovered simroutes.com handy and free for my 737..
Quote from: jomni on October 15, 2013, 09:26:36 PM
I got word that AIR HAULER 2 is in the works. :D
As long as you can import your company, I'll buy
Just purchase REX.. 8.6 Gb Download!.. hopefully it's done after lunch, and I will try continuing my b-17 trip around the world.. Figure REX should make the Pacific look nicer... Right now I'm in India.. figured try for Hong Kong from there..
lol - enjoy your trip :D
Have any of you guys tried the Carenado planes? Getting REX makes me want to get some small add ons as well.. the Accusim one seems a lil expensive, but seeing how good the b-17 is, it may be worth it.. But seeing adds about the Carenado planes, I'm wondering are they high quality?
Yes. Carenado planes are high quality. Especially the graphics.
They are not sophisticated aircraft so nothing to comment about regarding systems.
Documentation can be a hit or miss. Most of the time they only give you a check list.
They don't really teach you how to fly the plane.
If you want a really good general aviation aircraft. A2A's C172 Trainer is the best I've seen.
It's got a lot of simulation happening under the hood and the maintenance aspect is a big feature.
It feels like you really own the plane.
Here are a couple of points from the features list that is noteworthy (not found in other add-ons... even airliners).
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- Immersive pre-flight inspection system designed by pilots while operating the actual Cessna 172..
- Persistent airplane where systems, corrosion, and temperatures are simulated even when the computer is off.
- Complete maintenance hangar internal systems and detailed engine tests including compression checks.
- Designed and built to be flown "By The Book."
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http://www.a2asimulations.com/store/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=56
By the way, I have not bought it because I'm mainly an airline pilot but it sure is tempting.
Quote from: Tuna on October 08, 2013, 09:39:17 PM
Quote from: Toonces on October 08, 2013, 09:31:35 PM
I haven't tried the L-1011 yet, but the PMDG 737 is amazing. I have several payware add-on aircraft now, but none of them even come remotely close to the 737. I highly recommend it.
It looks awesome! Is it hard to learn? Or do they give you a good tutorial? Lol the idea of a 2500 page manual is scary!
But again, in the videos if found it looks awesome!
I did not read all 2500 of the manual. Just used the tutorial and my prior experience flying airliners in FSX.
You can subscribe to Angle of Attack's (http://www.flyaoamedia.com/) 737 school. Watching videos sure beats reading the manual. But it is more expensive than the plane it self! :o
I subscribed to their 777 tutorial which is cheaper and they are really good. So the 737 must be good as well.
I also have the PMDG 777 which is equally good or even better than the 737. But this big plane is very automated. Easier to learn with less button presses. So the 737 might still be the more fulfilling one to fly.
737 rocks!!.. I'm very disapointed with the tri star but it was only 8 bucks thanks to you, so not a big loss!
Quote from: Tuna on October 18, 2013, 05:37:40 PM
737 rocks!!.. I'm very disapointed with the tri star but it was only 8 bucks thanks to you, so not a big loss!
Anything PMDG rocks. Others are just toys. :)
Tristar wouldn't be bad if the alt on AP wasn't so wacky!
Quote from: Tuna on October 18, 2013, 04:32:39 PM
Have any of you guys tried the Carenado planes? Getting REX makes me want to get some small add ons as well.. the Accusim one seems a lil expensive, but seeing how good the b-17 is, it may be worth it.. But seeing adds about the Carenado planes, I'm wondering are they high quality?
Have all but one or two.... very high quality and good GA planes. I fly them when I want to fly VFR....
PE
JustFlight is having an ATC game sale.
http://www.justflight.com/category/tower-sale
Anyone familiar with TRADOC 2012? I'm thinking of picking it up. I can't find a review of it anywhere, though.
What is Tower? Like 'traffic' software?
It's an air traffic control simulation...nothing to do with FSX. It's a stand alone "game"
From what I can tell, Tower is a game where you shuffle planes around the airport, managing the taxi to and from the gates.
TRADOC is an ATC simulation.
Again, I can't find much info about how they play. Might be worth a $15 gamble.
I so wish the Carenado sale was earlier than December!!!.. They should do a Thanksgiving sale!.. I just would like to get into some high quality 'smaller' planes, rather than just fly the FSX base planes. As you add more planes to your 'hanger' how do you hide the ones you 'don't fly'.. just remove their directories from FSX?
Another question, Jomni, is VATSIM easy to 'learn/get into'? And I think I saw Toonces ask earlier but didn't see the answer, can you use something like Air Hauler with it?
I haven't flown on Vatsim yet, but from what I understand it's an online environment with live ATC players. So in that sense, I don't think the software is hard to set up, but you have to have a pretty good grasp on proper comms terminology and flying procedures or you're going to look pretty silly.
I've wanted to try Vatsim, and almost done it a few times. With kiddos though my time to play is limited and I'd hate to bother other people with "American 445 heavy on approach for DADDY CAN YOU FIX ME A SANDWICH"
^lol
I do have a buddy who has flown quite a lot using Vatsim and says it can be an interesting experience. Much depends on finding people on line who are handling area's that you are flying through / to. I'm not sure how much information you get about planning a 'live route' though.
Quote from: republic on October 20, 2013, 05:11:23 PM
I've wanted to try Vatsim, and almost done it a few times. With kiddos though my time to play is limited and I'd hate to bother other people with "American 445 heavy on approach for DADDY CAN YOU FIX ME A SANDWICH"
LOL republic, one of my thoughts exactly.. can you fly 'small planes' on it?
I don't think there are any restrictions on what you can fly.
VATSIM has people doing the ATC for you. So it's as real as it gets. You need to internalize the protocol since you say / type what you need to say instead of selecting from a menu (default ATC or Radar Contact). It is a fulfilling experience and you get a feeling of being one level higher than your typical simmer.
It is generally a friendly environment with people willing to help out. There are some occasional a-holes so just ignore them. You get to meet people from all over the world.
You will learn a lot especially FMC work and chart reading... And also regulation. But there's no stopping you from doing VFR or small plane flights. Less interactions with ATC this way but you are bound to real world flight and communications rules.
Downside? Air space is less populated since you need hunan pilots and ATC. ATC does not go online 24hrs a day. I still fly when there's no ATC and getting to the airport becomes a test of my skills and proper planning (no vectoring and descent instructions).
I signed up for an ID last night.. lol.. I'll probably be a wimp and not try it for a Month or two... funny there's people talking about interruptions during flights. One guys was talking about having a red light over the man cave door, so the wife would know not to interrupt during the flight!
Air Hauler 2 features list
http://www.slideshare.net/richardslater777/presentation1-27452148
Two things tonight.
1. In case you aren't aware (I wasn't), JustFlight has a free B757 on their website for download (Freemium 757). The jet is completely free and comes in the British Airways skin; there is also a free American skin for download. You can buy additional skins for about $3 for two (they come packaged) or you can buy all of the skins for about $30. I picked up a Delta skin for $3. It's a nice jet, but it's not nearly as high quality as PMDG. However, for the price you can't go wrong.
2. What are some good PMDG-level payware aircraft (airliners and regionals)? I'm trying to find alternative planes to fly that I am eligible to get rated in in my virtual airline. I'm qualified in the 737 and MD-80 series, and can go for ratings in the 727, 757, Airbus 320 series, CRJ regional jet series. I'm also rated in the ERJ-175/195 and am eligible for the smaller versions.
I'm looking at the Captain Sim 727, FeelThere ERJ's, and the Airbus X Extended. But I'm flexible if there's something better out there.
Like, I enjoy the PMDG 737 a lot, and I have several additional payware planes (JustFlight 757, CLS MD-81/82/87, JF Constellation) but none of them are nearly as well done as the PMDG planes.
Here's the Freemium 757. You really get a sense of the size of the plane next to the 737's.
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I think aerosoft A320 is the best. Not PMDG level because it does not have dialed failure model and recovery. But normal flight is just about as detailed as it gets. You'll really like it. Another one is Black Box A320 (no experience with that).
Feel There ERJ and E-Jets are also good. The panel graphics are showing their age though.
Best prop liner is Majestic Dash 8 Q400.
I'm looking at the Ultimate Airliners DC-9 Classic...any experience with that? It looks pretty nice.
http://www.justflight.com/product/ultimate-airliners-dc-9-classic-boxed
Dunno. I don't fly classics. But for classic planes, it's hard to compare with PMDG level because those have less sophisticated avionics.
Question for you PMDG experts... I plugged a flight in for KBOS to KJFK.. using a flight I got from simroutes..
SSOXS LUCOS SEY PARCH CCC ROBER
I then added the SSOXS3 departure.. all cool...
On the receiving end
I added the ROBER STAR... all seemed good...
I then chose the arrival RNAV 22L..
on the Map.. checking the legs, it looked all.. good.. I figured it went to JFK and then did the arrival procedure.. but it seemed like it got to JFK and then wanted to skip everything else!
When I added the 'arrival' should I have deleted JFK from the route since the arrival ending with 22L was JFK? Or did I do something else totally wrong?
I was trying to do the whole flight without ATC, and it all seemed to be going well until I got to the end. At that point I just contacted the New York Tower and did an ILS Landing with the Tower's directions...
Boy I have a lot to learn before I can attempt VATSIM.. but this sim is totallly addicting, I don't know why I didn't get the 'hook' earlier.. lol.. I think I will have to blame that on you guys!!! 8)
Hi Tuna,
Your problem is common. It's not specific to PMDG, but actually an issue in the real a/c too.
Airways connect to SIDS and STARs and STARs connect to approaches, but sometimes the STAR does not connect very well to the approach.
This is due to the way FMC interpret route programming which does not always cater 100% to regulations made on paper in an office.
There are various errors you can get;
A route discontinuity; often the result of the STAR having duplicate waypoints in relation to the approach and the FMC does not know where to connect or copy the points.
Another possibility is the procedure calls for the intercept of a given radial or arc, but the calculations in the FMC for the given flight make an intercept difficult (oftentimes due to entered speed in the FMC). It will result in a route discontinuity.
When you enter a route into th FMC and want to add an approach, you can also select a Transition; which is a procedure connecting the STAR to the Final approach fix or point.
Not all fields have this, but it might give some weird situations sometimes.
All very technical, I am sorry, but the best thing you can do is set the Navigation Display (ND) in the Plan mode. You can then step through all the points in LEGS mode on the CDU to ' walk through the routing' to see where things go wrong.
One last tip; a missed approach route often goes back to a fix or beacon also used in the approach procedure. Be sure to never copy points from the missed approach procedure part in the routing in the CDU to connect the route and clean up. Use Plan mode as described above to check your route.
This is always a good practise.
Looking at it.. I think it would've gone well if the JFK leg was missing.. At first I thought it was trying to fly over the airport first before going and setting up for the approach, but instead.. all the points from the 'approach' disappeared once it hit JFK.. I think there was a TRANS offered, I forgot if I selected it or not.. confusing, because sometimes points are listed on the charts I found so I feel I'm 'guessing' a lot.
But you are right, the LEGS step does seem like a good way for checking the course.. again.. I thought it was doing an overflight of JFK first and then going into the approach. But I think JFK was there because when I first created the Route.. I didn't add an Arrival setup yet.
Thanks for the info / tips.. lol.. Someday I"ll get this!
Do most of the time in Real Life and VATSIM.. do you wait till you get your assigned Runway from the Airport, before you enter yours STARS and Approach?
Tuna do you actually have the charts for the approach? The drawings will explain how the approach is made. I don't fly in the US so I have to do some research on KJFK first.
Tuna,
Usually you will check the forecast weather for your destination and plan on shooting that approach.
But the way I fly in FSX, I just wait until I get vectored to a runway and deal with it then. FSX's ATC doesn't use SID/STAR so it's not an issue for me.
Ok here's the deal.
STAR ROBER ONE indeed directs to your KFJK airport. The chart specifically indicate expect radar vetcors for final course so this is not a procedure that can be done without ATC instructions.
ROBER ONE = http://flightaware.com/resources/airport/JFK/STAR/ROBER+ONE/pdf
Edit: You can still fly with without ATC instructions but perform a DME ARC (Yskonyn's suggestion). To do this, tune in and overfly KENNDY JFK VOR (115.9). Check your DME until you are 12 nm away from JFK then turn left (turning right would lead to the city and that would be bad for the residents). You try to manually fly in a circle maintaining the 12nm from JKF until you intercept the ILS (remember to switch frequencies). Of course you have to be at the proper altitude for intercepting the ILS 12nm out. Remember that this is not standard procedure.
You notice that rwy 22L approach types start from DEEP PARK VOR (DPK) 117.7. So a more suitable STAR would be something that ends with DPK.
VOR/DME 22L = http://flightaware.com/resources/airport/JFK/IAP/VOR_DME+RWY+22L/pdf
RNAV GPS 22L = http://flightaware.com/resources/airport/KJFK/IAP/RNAV+(GPS)+Y+RWY+22L
RNAV RNP 22L = http://flightaware.com/resources/airport/JFK/IAP/RNAV+(RNP)+Z+RWY+22L/pdf
ILS 22L = http://flightaware.com/resources/airport/JFK/IAP/ILS+OR+LOC+RWY+22L/pdf
A more suitable arrival for continuous legs to approach would be PRAWLING TWO. But you have to sort out how PRAWLING TWO connects with your previous waypoints?
PRAWLING TWO = http://flightaware.com/resources/airport/JFK/STAR/PAWLING+TWO/pdf
The whole set of charts here:
http://flightaware.com/resources/airport/KJFK/IAP/RNAV+(GPS)+Y+RWY+22L
@Toonces, I think Tuna is trying to fly without ATC vectoring as it is an occasional situation in VATSIM.
I'll have to defer to Yassy on how they do it in the real world.
Usually, the way I remember doing it is we'd check the forecast before takeoff and plan for an approach that used a runway that was favorable for the weather. I flew into military fields so it was usually not as hard as somewhere like Atlanta probably is.
When we checked in with approach we'd request a preferred approach and runway, "Dragon 42, requesting the ILS 31 approach, full stop." Something like that.
If you're flying FSX with no ATC, then check the winds and pick an STAR that links with an approach to a runway that's facing into the wind and minimizes your crosswind if possible.
Hi Jomni,
That's the same site that I've been downloading my charts from.. I think my problem was that I did the route.. then I added the arrival after, and that is what screwed it up...
I tried to do KPIT to KBOS tonight, but @#$!ing FSX crashed on me shortly after take off.. looking in my config file.. I had to display sections..both with the wrong screen resolution.. I deleted one section and changed my resolution to the correct one.. The Game looked a heck of a lot better!.. I didn't try the flight again, cause it was a lil late, but I flew around a bit, enjoying the crisper graphics.. I think if I have Rex in my other Monitor when I start the game it screws up FSX cause it changed it to the other monitor's resolution. Anyways.. I hope it stays like this and I hope I stop crashing.. really too much work to get everything set up.. take off.. fly for a while and then crash.. grrrrr.. hoping this will fix it for good.. and yes, I've already done that dll that fixes the 'menu' crash.
Toonces.. is there somewhere that I can look up the weather, or does that show when you look up the airport on the map?
Appreciate all your help guys... I am hopelessly addicted to this game now... lol.. I hope my intermittent crashes goes away so that I don't get turned off.. My poor Rome II campaign is sitting on the Steam shelf gathering dust!.. lol
Quote from: Tuna on October 25, 2013, 10:39:10 PM
That's the same site that I've been downloading my charts from.. I think my problem was that I did the route.. then I added the arrival after, and that is what screwed it up...
Well that's how most people do it. Airports have their own quirks though. Normally, your flight plan is alright as long as ATC is there to vector you from ROBER.
In real life, they are always there. Nothing really wrong with what you did initially. ;D
So most of the time on VATSIM if there is an ATC at the destination, they vector you in?
Seems like a waste to pick STARS and Approach...
Anyone try FlyTampa scenary? I'm going to try the demo today.. but was thinking of getting the KBOS one (home town)...
Also I think I may have found a fix online for the wacky Altitude behavior on the Tristar, if it works I'll post it..
Tuna,
What he is saying is that in real life, not VATSIM, there is always an ATC to give you vectors on your approach. VATSIM does not always have ATC available.
The point of doing a STAR is to standardize the way by which aircraft travel to an approach to the airport. Imagine a really busy airport like LAX or ATL. They can't have thousands of planes flying into an approach any way they feel like it. So the standardize it through a STAR so that the approach controller has a single way of flowing aircraft into his approach.
As an aircraft flies a STAR, at some point ATC has to step in and sort planes into a proper flow to the runway. Everyone can't be flying it at whatever altitude and airspeed they feel like it, even when there is some broad guidance on a STAR. And ATC can always modify the approach if they have to. So a STAR is a good starting point to getting you to the approach, but ATC will also have a say. I'm not sure, but I would imagine that if you're flying IFR into somewhere like ATL clearance delivery might not even approve your flight plan and give you clearance unless you file a STAR. In FSX they always clear you "as filed" but in real life that isn't necessarily the case; clearance can modify your flight plan if it's not correct.
I just picked up the FeelThere ERJ Regional Jets and EMB-175/195 package. Downloading now. I probably won't get around to flying it this evening, though, so impressions will have to wait until tomorrow sometime.
RealAir's Lancair Legacy is on sale until November 1st.. Been seeing a lot of high praise for this company's offerings...
http://www.realairsimulations.com/legacy_graphics.php?page=legacyfsx_graphics (http://www.realairsimulations.com/legacy_graphics.php?page=legacyfsx_graphics)
Jomni, on VATSIM. If you only have a Controller in the area you are taking off from. Do you ask him for IFR clearance? Or do you type your intentions in chat and wait till you are in the air to contact him/her?
Quote from: Tuna on November 08, 2013, 10:53:45 AM
Jomni, on VATSIM. If you only have a Controller in the area you are taking off from. Do you ask him for IFR clearance? Or do you type your intentions in chat and wait till you are in the air to contact him/her?
Yes that single controller covering the whole area will act as Ground / Approach / Tower to all uncontrolled airports.
Safest bet is to send a PM to him first and ask if he covers your airport.
He may not provide ATC to that airport if it is uncontrolled in real life.
How do you PM.. you mean just send a chat to the Comm he/she's on?... Getting close to grabbing UTX tonight.. lol.. feeling weak!
Quote from: Tuna on November 09, 2013, 09:37:05 PM
How do you PM.. you mean just send a chat to the Comm he/she's on?... Getting close to grabbing UTX tonight.. lol.. feeling weak!
What program do you use for VATSIM. FSInn or Squawk Box?
Squawk Box instructions: http://squawkbox.ca/doc/features/dotcommands.php
FSINn instructions: http://forums.vatsim.net/viewtopic.php?p=321835
I think I set up FSINN.. I haven't tried to talk/fly yet.. just observe.. to see if I can understand them.. some I can.. some I can't.. some people have really bad sound quality..
UTX seemed to lag me pretty bad.. I got it tonight.. turned off the street lights. .hoping that will help..
You can request for text chat if you're having a hard time understanding.
JustFlight is having a sale through Monday on their CLS 767 200/300. It's normally $30, marked down 60% (about $12). I used some points and just picked it up for less than $6.
From what I've read, it's just barely a step above the stock jets in complexity, but looks very nice. Seems like a good jet to just get in and fly from time to time.
Prepar3D v2 is out. I will let you guys know how it is compared to FSX.
Quote from: jomni on November 24, 2013, 09:33:37 PM
Prepar3D v2 is out. I will let you guys know how it is compared to FSX.
LOL. I"ve already sunk too much money into FSX!!.. Although no where near as much as you!
Quote from: Tuna on November 24, 2013, 09:51:32 PM
Quote from: jomni on November 24, 2013, 09:33:37 PM
Prepar3D v2 is out. I will let you guys know how it is compared to FSX.
LOL. I"ve already sunk too much money into FSX!!.. Although no where near as much as you!
Being a regular flyer, I have some displeasure with FSX so P3D has some potential.
But for those with FSX, I still recommend you guys to stick with it unless you have money to burn. It's not that different after all.Best innovation in P3D is the use of DX11 and modern video cards.
FSX is CPU heavy and it does result into instability even if you have a top of the line computer when you max it out and have so many add-ons.
FSX add-ons can be migrated but not all will work. PMDG is the biggest problem as they have an FSX lock. But there is news (or rumors) that they will start supporting P3D.
My Aerosoft and Carenado planes can be installed in both platforms without any problems.
Environment add-ons like OPUS, REX and ORBX FTX Global support P3D.
Economic add-ons like FSEconomy and FSPassengers do not work.
Air Hauler works using legacy mode in Estonia Migrator. (but I'm waiting for Air Hauler 2)
But Virtual Airline ACARS work.
I tried to support X-Plane 10 last year but the damn program doesn't want to update anymore (a rare issue which unfortunately affected me).
Pictures in the screenshot thread.
http://grogheads.com/forums/index.php?topic=948.msg208960#msg208960
Have never considered P3D as my FSX install is stable and all of the add-ons I have purchased are working. I know there will still be development for FSX so until that has ended I will stick to where I am at.
PE
Do any of you guys use Ezdok? If so, what do you think of it?....
Quote from: PanzersEast on November 25, 2013, 08:46:51 AM
Have never considered P3D as my FSX install is stable and all of the add-ons I have purchased are working. I know there will still be development for FSX so until that has ended I will stick to where I am at.
PE
My advice is stick with FSX since all the add-ons are there.
P3D just have some Dx11 chrome that's not crucial and may just be more work for your computer if you set it at a higher level.
Do any of you guys know when the JustFlight Christmas sale typically takes place? I've read on several sites that they heavily discount their catalog during an Xmas sale, but I haven't read when it actually takes place. I have my eye on a number of FSX add-ons. ;D
Not sure. But just flight has promos every week.
Is Vertigo Studio's stuff any good? There's a sale on their catalog on FSPilot right now.. I was thinking of grabbing the Dauntless..
Rex 2.0 is also on sale again.. like 50% off..
I'm hoping for a Carenado or Milviz Sale soon... or maybe RealAir!
PC Aviator has 30% of FSDreamteam (I'm eyeing JFK since I fly between NYC and Boston a lot).. and you get an additional 10% off when you put it in the cart..
http://www.pcaviator.com/store/home.php?cat=769 (http://www.pcaviator.com/store/home.php?cat=769)
So I finally got everything downloaded and installed and did a brief test.
The Aerosoft PBY is very nice. The sounds are great- deep and throaty. The B377 also seems nice but I need to do some research on this one because I blew up the engines every time I tried to take off.
I got the Catalina Island free scenery installed and it looks quite nice. The Hawaii Megascenery is also nice, but I'm not totally blown away. Still for $2 it's better than the stock scenery.
I think I'm going to set up an Air Hauler hub on Catalina Island and use the PBY and set up another hub in Hawaii using the B377. After I set those up I'll have quite a nice spread of bases and planes. I'll have:
Majestic Dash-8 out of Atlantic City
Stock DC-3 out of Fiji
JustFlight C69 Constellation out of Cayman Islands
Aerosoft PBY out of Catalina Island
A2A B377 out of Kaneohe MCAS Oahu
That's a pretty nice choice of planes and routes to fly, depending on my mood!
I grabbed that Catalina Airport a few weeks ago as well.. can't beat 'free'.. makes me almost want to pick up the rest Los Angelos.. think it's less than 20 on sale..
I'm crossing my fingers for RealAir/Milviz/Carenado sale!.. Though I've spent too much already this week..
Edited: to remove the free airport (not Catalina).. when I downloaded Norton said that it was malicious.
Quote from: Toonces on November 26, 2013, 12:26:50 AM
Do any of you guys know when the JustFlight Christmas sale typically takes place? I've read on several sites that they heavily discount their catalog during an Xmas sale, but I haven't read when it actually takes place. I have my eye on a number of FSX add-ons. ;D
JUST FLIGHT CHRISTMAS SALE!
http://www.justflight.com/category/christmas-sale?utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Just+Flight++Just+Trains+Newsletter+-+NovemberDecember+2013&utm_content=Just+Flight++Just+Trains+Newsletter+-+NovemberDecember+2013+CID_d30130d9959afd2a4ff37748ab17494a&utm_source=cm&utm_term=Just%20Flight%20Christmas%20Sale
hmmm is it time for me to take the Air Hauler plunge...
I so wish some of GA's I want were on sale!
On JustFlight there are two bundles on sale that look pretty good.
http://www.justflight.com/articles/two-lionheart-creations-aircraft-bundles
I personally have been looking at this one: http://www.justflight.com/product/lionheart-creations-fleet-one-ultra-pack
That has 5 aircraft in it for about $65. I don't know anything personally about their quality, but some google searching showed generally positive reviews of a few of the aircraft.
Well, some interesting developments today.
First, the PBY, while being totally awesome, is also totally difficult to figure out without reading the manual...which is why I bought it but I had hoped it would be more intuitive. I kept overheating or blowing up my engines.
Anyway, that bad boy is slow. Which I knew, but it is really slow...like 110 kts cruise slow on a good day. And with underperforming engines... ugh, it was tough.
So I took out a lease on a Lear 45 at Mokapu on Oahu to go with the PBY. I did a speed run to the Big Island and with the Lear getting to 16.5k in about 3 minutes and then cruising at 330 kts that 180 mile flight was about 20 minutes of real time. And with good VFR weather I did a Mokapu-Big Island-Mokapu-Big Island run in less than 1 hour of real time. That's more like it. So I'm going to keep the PBY out here, but I like having the ability to go rocket ship when I just need to get a flight in and don't have a real time hour to do it. That PBY needs some babysitting to work properly!
BUGGER! I just followed one of the links to Justflight and spotted the OV10 Bronco - what a corker.
The only thing that stops me is that it only seems to include one colour scheme for it. I already have a number of models done by Tim Conrad, which are good but nowhere as detailed as this one.
Edited for me being too hasty. The pack does indeed contain several liveries.....just went back and read it properly. Very tempting.
OMG! Carenado Christmas sale. I can just buy all of them.
http://www.justflight.com/category/flight-sim-add-ons/light-aircraft/carenado-range?page=2&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=HUGE+Carenado+Download+sale&utm_content=HUGE+Carenado+Download+sale+CID_2aee5a4030360fa911f764be2fa7defd&utm_source=cm&utm_term=Carenado%20Christmas%20Sale
I'm planning on getting 2 or 3.. just bought the RealAir Duke Turbine, so I can't be too bad!
Was about to 'return' the Milviz Baron B-55, cause of the horrible frame rates once you turn on the Avionics. But found a download for non-reflective guages and that made it tolerable.. I really is a beautiful plane.. I think it's sale ends tonight..
The RealAir Duke Turbine is awesome.. was flying in the snow/rain yesterday and got to enjoy the windshield affect (I don't' think any other plane if have simulates that, it's really cool).. The bird screams.. I have to keep remembering to watch the airspeed so as not to over-stress it!..
Well, I took the Airhauler Plunge.. I can see how this will be addictive!
(https://www.grogheads.com/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.murphyhomepage.com%2Ffiles%2Ffirstflight.jpg&hash=9e94fbbf42842ad3dfa51e1c7f6552864f6fcc23)
Gad the 172 is slow!!!.. Someone on AVsim described it right - "Like flying a balloon"..
And I guess I was stupid picking my base in the Pacific Northwest with all those mountains! But of course I want to get some use out of my Orbx software. I'll need to pick up the Northern Rockies next while their still on sale...
I love taking off with a fully loaded plane, it's a challenge!
lol. Welcome aboard Captain! ;D
Maybe not the thing for civil flying, but I've just been looking on the Saitek site at the forthcoming X-55 combo. Very impressive - no price yet - but no doubt it will be expensive. More switches and rotaries than you can shake a propeller blade at!
Quote from: bob48 on December 24, 2013, 07:18:34 PM
Maybe not the thing for civil flying, but I've just been looking on the Saitek site at the forthcoming X-55 combo. Very impressive - no price yet - but no doubt it will be expensive. More switches and rotaries than you can shake a propeller blade at!
It is supposed to be "affordable" so it shouldn't be too bad. My bet is somewhere between $150 and $250.
I recently discovered the Aviatorcast podcast and I've got the civilian flight sim bug (again). I didn't know there were virtual airlines that would be ok with my fickle gaming time. I just assumed they'd be as rigid as other gaming "clans" I've seen.
I joined up with Delta Virtual Airlines. There only requirement is that you log onto their website at least once a month. Not a big deal.
I actually wish there was a bit more structure. As it is, you can fly any route (they have a route finder) that Delta flies, in any aircraft in which you're rated. I think I'd prefer being forced to hub somewhere and given a list of required flights.
But, at any rate, it does add structure to the game and some purpose.
I'm a member of Atlantic Sun Airways and really like the VA as it's schedule is quite extensive with lots of routes to fly and the VA does use pilot ranks that restrict the routes and aircraft you can fly. You get a certificate from the hub manager when you get promoted to a higher rank.
http://www.atlanticsunairways.com/ (http://www.atlanticsunairways.com/)
I've always been a military flight sim guy, but I am always seeing great screen shots coming from the civil aviation guys, that it's got me thinking that I should start exploring the more practical side of flight simming. If I was to get started, what is the best civil aviation sim to start with, and which one can evolve to an intermediate level if I like it ? Also which ones have the best and most immersive terrain / environment to fly in?
I've seen some discussion at simHQ about FSX vs Xplane10, but I'm still clueless on which one would be the best.
FSX is the prettiest has the best systems.. Can frustrate you trying to get the best performance.. but at times it is beautiful and you can end up spending a LOT on add ons..
I think flight in Xplane is more realistic.. Add on Planes are actually a lil cheaper.. lots of free stuff.. performance is a lot better..
The aerodynamic model in Xplane is better, but FS still has the most detailed package overall.
Aircraft are much better simulated in FS with clickable cockpits and true 3D pits.
Xplane has the potential, but the availability of decently modelled aircraft is not on par with FS.
Just so you know..... Flight Simming can be an expensive hobby, but also worth while. I currently fly FSX because of the vast amount of add-ons I own. The flight model in various a/c are not bad and some of the systems are quit in depth. If you decide to go the FSX route, let us know as we can recommend how to get started and what add-ons are good to start with.
Blue Skies
PE
After so much time with dcs I would have to say clickable cockpits are a must, especially since I have a touch screen monitor to use. Sounds like fsx is the only one that supports clickable cockpits. I'm thinking a Cessna to start, then a commercial AC like a 727.
On a different note I saw a thread at simhq about the NorCal orbix scenery and saw some screenies of fire fighting AC. With how big air drop firefighting is here in California I'm surprised there's not a dedicated sim for this, or is there?
x-plane has clickable cockpits as well.. it's just the level of detail in general some FSX payware add ons have a lot of detail..
If you're gonna get a 172, I would suggest the A2A one.. don't have it yet myself, I know Jomni does.. I have their B-17 and it is awesome detail/immersion wise..
Only Tube Liner I have is the pmdg 737 NGX and it's pretty awesome...
default aircraft that come with FSX.. I dont' think any of us fly, they are very simple..
I would say avoid FSX if you want to spare yourself heartache.
I spent NUMEROUS hours in it flying only to have the damn thing crash - almost every single time. My system is totally more than capable and I actually get a decent frame rate - but it crashes...constantly.
Apparently not everyone suffers from this issue - but beware.
Quote from: JudgeDredd on April 22, 2014, 01:58:17 PM
I would say avoid FSX if you want to spare yourself heartache.
I spent NUMEROUS hours in it flying only to have the damn thing crash - almost every single time. My system is totally more than capable and I actually get a decent frame rate - but it crashes...constantly.
Apparently not everyone suffers from this issue - but beware.
I do not have this issue, however I have tweaked my setup and more than likely you will as well. There are several guides that should get you going, however like JD has stated it is not guaranteed. It always takes tweaking to get it setup and going... but if you purchased Prepar3d there is less than FSX.
PE
Absolutely. YMMV.
I have sunk so many hours into it and so much money into it...and I get so frustrated at the message "FSX has stopped responding".
Even given all the money I've spent on it, and it must be a few hundred pounds - I shelved it from frustration. I haven't uninstalled it as yet - but when I get round to finding a solution that doesn't work, that'll likely be the next step.
Quote from: JudgeDredd on April 22, 2014, 02:16:08 PM
Absolutely. YMMV.
I have sunk so many hours into it and so much money into it...and I get so frustrated at the message "FSX has stopped responding".
Even given all the money I've spent on it, and it must be a few hundred pounds - I shelved it from frustration. I haven't uninstalled it as yet - but when I get round to finding a solution that doesn't work, that'll likely be the next step.
I have been there as well...... I loaded one add-on etc... then poof, it stops working or I get some odd effect. Then you get it working again and I treat it like a rare vase teetering on the edge of a table! all the while holding my breath while I fly. I have currently and not during every flight, experienced input lag once I get close to landing, no stutters, just input lag when I try to line up for landing..... nothing more frustrating after a long flight then to curse your screen all the while your wife looks at you like you are a 5 year old kid! :-X Such is the life of a virtual flight simmer.....
PE
Man.... Now I'm thinking xplane might be the safer bet... I definately don't want to be tweaking more then flying. I'm a sucker for good graphics, does fsx have considerable better graphics or are they about the same ?
Quote from: Skoop on April 22, 2014, 12:52:05 PM
After so much time with dcs I would have to say clickable cockpits are a must, especially since I have a touch screen monitor to use. Sounds like fsx is the only one that supports clickable cockpits. I'm thinking a Cessna to start, then a commercial AC like a 727.
On a different note I saw a thread at simhq about the NorCal orbix scenery and saw some screenies of fire fighting AC. With how big air drop firefighting is here in California I'm surprised there's not a dedicated sim for this, or is there?
If you have a touchscreen monitor, and the sim supports it, then of course they are a must.
I just find it a bit more tedious to be handling the mouse to push virtual cockpit buttons at the same time as the HOTAS. It's easier & faster to just physically press keys on the keyboard in this case. I'd say the coolness factor and cockpit familiarization is the main reason people enjoy them, not so much the switching between hardware whilst flying to use it. :D
There is two crashes that I ran into.. unacom.dll (or something like that) fixed one.. and installing fsuicp (not sure on the spelling) (the free version) fixed the other cxrash..
Now I never crash..
FSX with Orbx and Rex 4 is very beautiful.. again.. this is an expensive hobby.. and I'm a 'cheapskate'. I generally don't hop on 'premium' games.. and yet I've spent a ton of FSX in just 8 months and I bought most of it on sale!
My experience with X-Plane is great and I'm not flying FSX anymore. But it is "rough around the edges" with poor quality scenery and less choice for add-ons (you can save money this way. He he). I spend a lot of time just building airports.
Fsx's biggest limitation is that it is 32bit. With all the highly detailed airports and aircraft that you can stuff into it, 4GB RAM is not enough and it will crash. With X-Plane at 64 bit, you can stuff a lot of add-ons (but there's not a lot of quality one's in the market) without worrying about running out of memory.
I think it may have been you Jomni who mentioned a memory problem to me and suggested that's what I might be suffering.
Quote from: JudgeDredd on April 23, 2014, 12:56:04 AM
I think it may have been you Jomni who mentioned a memory problem to me and suggested that's what I might be suffering.
I belive so. At this juncture, FSX is finally showing its age. We are loading up add-ons it was not meant to take (in bulk). Then users end up tweaking and lowering their settings to conserve RAM. Also, being an old platform, it does not take advantage of more modern GPU, so a lot is being done by the CPU.
Fire it up till you get the error Judge.. and let us know what it is..
Spurred on by my delving deeper into FSX I decided to contact a local pilot instructor to see if I could finally get started on my pilots license.
It was at that point, 4:32pm April 22, 2014 that I realized I had made a grave error in choosing a career as an educator. If I start saving today, I might be able to start my lessons in...5 years.
Yeah.. I want to get a license now too.. I thought I saw somewhere it is around 7000 bucks.. hmmm maybe my son will change his mind about going to college!
Trust me, in the end it is not worth it. Renting a plane is very expensive and unless you are looking to further your career in aviation, not sure that is pays for it once completed. I do not fly anymore mainly because of the expense, however I did enjoy it and getting your PPL can be a lot of fun but a major expense.
PE
Until I talked to the Instructor I had no idea renting a plane was so much. Then I looked at the used plane market... As a teacher it'll never happen....unless I go Heisenberg, but unfortunately I'm not a chemistry teacher.
That's why I went the career way; not only do you get to fly an airplane often, you also are surrounded by beautiful women most of the time. :P
I have dipped my toe into Flight Sim Addon world... I'm going to need to find another job to support my simming habit. The Aerosoft Twin Otter was my gateway drug. Now I'm up all night trying to score Carenado B1900D's, Qualitywings BAE-146's....I'm jonesing for a regional maaaaan!
The Twin Otter Extended is one of my favorites!.. Forget Carenado.. try out Milviz Baron B-55 or Real Air's Duke's
Grab an Orbx Region, Active Sky Next, Rex 4 and a few airports and enjoy the ride! Come on, you haven't spent enough yet!!! :uglystupid2:
Take your time, be patient, and keep an eye on JustFlight for a sale. They put planes on sale pretty regularly, and with July 4 right around the corner...
I'm wanting a b1900 becauswe I binge watched all of Flying Wild Alaska and the idea of my little prop commuter in the bush is very exciting. :D
On AVSIM there is a Bargain Hunter s section that posts a lot sales. Just last weekend there was an orbx sale. Pcaviator.com has 10 percent off every Tuesday!
Thanks Tuna, I'll keep my eye out!
Have any of you tried the A2A C172 Trainer? The videos on it look pretty amazing.
Jomni has it, it does look amazing, and their new Cherokee. But their seperate P3D pricing kind of ticks me off. As someday might make the jump to P3D dont want to have to pay for the same aircraft again! Carenado, Orbx, your Twin Otter, they let you install on both.
A2A C172 is great. Just like owning the real thing. http://jomnisgames.blogspot.com/2013/11/a2a-c172-flight-from-seletar-wssl-to.html
What's the state of Prepare3D v. FSX? Is it worth getting for a casual simmer if one already has FSX (i.e. exclusive content that would make it worth the investment) or is it more a case of P3D being the future of civ simming so one might as well get into it now?
Quote from: Staggerwing on June 18, 2014, 06:17:17 AM
What's the state of Prepare3D v. FSX? Is it worth getting for a casual simmer if one already has FSX (i.e. exclusive content that would make it worth the investment) or is it more a case of P3D being the future of civ simming so one might as well get into it now?
Stick with FSX if you are casual. P3D is a fancy upgrade. A bit more stable but still FSX in it's core.
Currently P3D is still 32bit so you still run with the same memory limitations as FSX.
PMDG recently made an announcement regarding P3D. They are working out the licencing and indicated that the 777 and any other aircraft for P3D will be substantially more expensive because they don't expect casual simmers to own it. Just like A2A. People who already have the 777 need to re-buy the new license. This is a bit of a downer actually.
As for me, I have moved on to X-Plane. It's just easier to load up a flight, add new airports and aircraft. But it is still pretty bare bones compared to the amount of additional content FSX has. The scenery kinda sucks too. :P But I am willing to compromise. I kinda miss PMDG and Orbx though.
Screw PMDG and A2A, if they want to double dip our wallets, they can go to hell. I won't be buying any more of their products until I switch to P3D, if I ever will. My money will go to the ORBX/Caranado/Aerosofts of the world. Kind of a shame because both PMDG and A2A are top notch quality wise.
Some new screenshots of WIngs Over Flanders Field next add on.
http://simhq.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/3965428/1 (http://simhq.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/3965428/1)
Check the man hanging on to the Zeppelin!!
I've owned both Microsoft Flight Simulator and X-Plane for the past several versions. I've always thought X-Plane would be my preferred sim if there were addons. I love my Twin Otter from Aerosoft. I've only got one add-on for FSX so I'm not too invested to switch to X-Plane if I can find the aircraft I want to fly.
I had my first communication on VATSIM tonight. In the past I've just listened in, but I finally got the courage to give it a whirl. I made a lot of mistakes, but the controller was patient and encouraging.
I think I'm hooked! :)
However, in my fumbling around on the radio and transponder I'm sure my passengers all vomited all over my little Twin Otter... Plus my nervousness on radio comms made my landing look like one of those C-130 steep approaches into Iraq/Afghanistan. I didn't know how to call a missed approach...so down we were going!
Quote from: republic on June 18, 2014, 10:27:20 PM
I had my first communication on VATSIM tonight. In the past I've just listened in, but I finally got the courage to give it a whirl. I made a lot of mistakes, but the controller was patient and encouraging.
I think I'm hooked! :)
However, in my fumbling around on the radio and transponder I'm sure my passengers all vomited all over my little Twin Otter... Plus my nervousness on radio comms made my landing look like one of those C-130 steep approaches into Iraq/Afghanistan. I didn't know how to call a missed approach...so down we were going!
Real life ATC is so fun. Even if you fumble around and miss the protocol. People are generally tolerant. I rarely get practice with missed approaches. Just tell ATC you are "going around" and they will direct you.
You're a braver man than I.. with my partial deafness, I'm too much of a scaredy cat to take off in VATSIM. They say you can type, but that wouldn't be realistic..
You might try it Tuna. I'm still developing my "radio ear" so there was a lot of "Say again?" coming from me. I was flying from Unalakleet to Shaktoolik talking to Anchorage center though, so not a terribly large amount of other traffic for the ATC to deal with.
I'm WAY too chicken to fly in the high density places with Center/Approach/Ground to deal with. I can't even imagine switching channels while on approach just yet.
So airliner pilots are not cool because they fly big steel birds, but rather they are radio heroes? ;) Interesting perspective! Never looked at it that way.
But that basically means they would be cool because they can multi-task of sorts, something women are known to be masters in...
Following this logic; So in retrospect pilots are all pussies? ;D O:-)
Women pilots = hot
In your dreams, perhaps!
Most (disclaimer: I certainly do *not* say all) women pilots I know are 'one of the guys'-types... :smitten: :coolsmiley:
Not very sexy at all, nope.
Have any of you tried FSEconomy? I flew my first 2 flights yesterday, it was a lot of fun.
Quote from: republic on June 20, 2014, 06:46:45 AM
Have any of you tried FSEconomy? I flew my first 2 flights yesterday, it was a lot of fun.
Yes but I grew tired. It is good for GA flying. But I'm not a GA-type of person.
It is indeed fun flying small aircraft, and into small airports, for a change.
Yet ultimately, it is not my type of simming.
I don't know if it is new or not, but they have generated flights for 727's and 737-800's. I'm more of a regional fan myself because my flying time is very short until my kiddos get bigger.
Quote from: republic on June 20, 2014, 05:32:33 PM
I don't know if it is new or not, but they have generated flights for 727's and 737-800's. I'm more of a regional fan myself because my flying time is very short until my kiddos get bigger.
Nope. Not new.
FSEconomy is amazing. I'm discovering new airports, new planes....its awesome. I just leased a Twotter about 2000 miles from the airport I like to operate out of, I'm looking forward to spending this week jobbing my way back to my Alaska base. :)
Quote from: republic on June 25, 2014, 06:42:48 PM
FSEconomy is amazing. I'm discovering new airports, new planes....its awesome. I just leased a Twotter about 2000 miles from the airport I like to operate out of, I'm looking forward to spending this week jobbing my way back to my Alaska base. :)
Glad you liked it. Obscure airports with no ILS, Towers etc. can indeed be fun and challenging.
Jomni do you think Prepar3d is worth the price to upgrade from FSX? I would qualify for the Academic license as a teacher. I got a lot of crashes in FSX these days, I feel like it is something about my Saitek X52 Pro because it seems to only do it when I'm interacting with the joystick. Like coming off autopilot as soon as I touch the stick sometimes it'll crash. But sometimes its just random.
I've read Prepar3d is less crashy.
my two crash types were fixed by
installing FSUIPC (the free version)
and copying the older uiautomationcore.dll into my fsx folder..
I have not had a crash since and it's been many months
Anyone currently flying the PMDG 777.... I have had it in my cart for a long time but have yet to jump in. I have been flying the CS 777, but I now it is no where near the PMDG Level.
PE
Quote from: PanzersEast on July 11, 2014, 10:38:52 AM
Anyone currently flying the PMDG 777.... I have had it in my cart for a long time but have yet to jump in. I have been flying the CS 777, but I now it is no where near the PMDG Level.
PE
I have it. Used to fly it before moving on to X-Plane. It's one of the greatest FSX add-ons.
I only have the 737 NGX.. which is awesome itself.. Would love to have the 777, but I try to behave now and then.. and 90 dollar pricetag makes that a lil easier! (Think I got the NGX at Amazon for 50, which wasn't too painful).
I heard the 777 has weather radar that works with Active Sky next, in one of it's Service Packs.. I heard they may introduce that to the 737 as well.
Which weather radar is modelled in the 737NG for FSX?
I don't think anything right now.
Jomni where are some good places to get commuter turboprops and jets? I know Carenado has a few X-Plane products, but I'm looking for some larger airframes.
Carenado's look really nice.. but their systems are kind of weak.. you want some fun small turbo's that aren't too expensive.. I highly recommend Real Air's Duke Turbine! Also the Aerosoft Twin otter is a fun plane, I highly recommend both of them.
Reall Air Turbine Duke (http://realairsimulations.com/list_box.php?page=duket10_buynow)
Aerosoft Twin Otter (http://www.aerosoft.com/cgi-local/us/iboshop.cgi?showd,,12679)
Going bigger and more expensive is the Majestic Dash 8.. I don't have this one myself.. but I hear it's pretty awesome..
Majestic Dash 8 (http://secure.simmarket.com/majestic-software-dash-8q-400-pilot-edition.phtml)
Quote from: republic on July 12, 2014, 03:35:45 PM
Jomni where are some good places to get commuter turboprops and jets? I know Carenado has a few X-Plane products, but I'm looking for some larger airframes.
Majestic Dash 8 is the PMDG of turboprops. You will never regret it.
http://majesticsoftware.com/mjc8q400/
Wait. Are you asking about X-Plane?
I was meaning X-Plane. I have the Aerosoft Twin Otter and Lionheart Quest Kodiak, love them both. I'm eyeing the Carenado B1900D, PMDG Jetstream 41, and Captainsim C-130...but I've been thinking about getting an X-Plane payware plane so I can try it out. I'd like something I could use in FSEconomy. I could really use a Cessna 206 amphibian...
I wish FSE supported larger aircraft, mainly just because that is what the payware developers make most of the time. I'd be nice to eventually work my way to a 737-200, 727-ADV, or a DC-8 super sixty, then eventually a 747-8F. :)
I think Carenado planes sort of shine in X-Plane
JustFlight is having a sale on the Comet for $9.70 USD
http://justflight.com/product/comet-jetliner-for-fsx-download
PE
PMDG 777 200LR patch is out along with the 300 expansion.
http://www.precisionmanuals.com/
Bend over..... inject FSX :o
I'm now getting a Failed To Read From File error after screwing around with scenery. My FSX has ran perfect for months and then I screw the pouch :tickedoff:
PE
Had someone ask me about flying VORs and SIDs. I don't mind putting together a tutorial if others are interested.... I am currently flying cross county with VOR to VOR and VFR only.
PE
If you do I'll definitely read it!
Instrument approaches and departures would be a great help. On my list of things to learn have been instrument landings. Most of my flight simming has been bush flying.
A couple of things I will be using:
Plan-G
http://www.tasoftware.co.uk/
I use this for all my General Aviation flight for IFR and VFR. It is free and a great tool and we will be planning our flight with it.
AirCharts
http://skyvector.com/
http://aircharts.org/
Take your pick as there are many places to pull these from.
Today we will be flying a Cessna 172RG from LFST - STRASBOURG ENTZHEIM to LSZW - Thun Airport. The flight should take us about 1:15 min with a distance of 149 NM. I want to keep this fairly straight forward and not get off into a lot of details so..... I tried to avoid restricted airspace as much as possible but when you look at the map we will have to get clearance from ATC to transition through Class C airspace around Zurich. Let's look at our flight plan and then talk about the departure.
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We will be departing on Runway 05 and taking the SUL departure. So we want to look at the SID for LFST and see what we can expect.
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So looking at the SID we will take off on RWY 05 and then fly a heading of 048 deg and once we are 20 NM from LFST we will turn to a heading of 129 deg to intercept the SUL VOR. Looking at the notes from the SID to verify.
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So to setup we will tune NAV 1 to the inbound radial of SUL VOR of 116.1 with a CRS of 103. Since we want to track our distance after we take off we will measure tune NAV 2 to the outbound LFST ILS/DME 05 of 108.55 as below and setup the DME equipment on board by turning it to NAV 2. As I leave the airport I should see my distance from LFST displayed on the DME so at 20 NM I will turn. (Please note that when intercepting a VOR you may have to fly across the VOR path then turn to the VOR heading)
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Once we reach the SUL we will tune NAV 1 to 114.3 with a CRS of 191 and turn to intercept the TRA (TRASADINGEN) VOR. (We will also need transition clearance to enter airspace around Zurich about 36 NM from the SUL VOR.) I will then switch my DME to NAV 1, however not all VORs are dual equipped with DME and VOR so just be aware.... but there is no problem with that. As we approach the VOR even if we are not aware of how close we are, once we overtake the VOR our arrow which should be pointing straight ahead will flip to point to the tail of the plane indicating it is behind us. So we will fly a distance of 42 NM from SUL to TRA. Now we can tune in our next VOR into Nav 2 which will be WIL (WILLISAU) at 116.9 and CRS heading 214 so we are ready or we can just tune it into NAV 1 once we overtake the TRA VOR.
You may notice that once we hit the WIL VOR there is just the airport with no other VOR to reference to fly to the airport. The plan says we should turn our heading to 205 and fly 28.2 NM to intercept LSZW, however with wind etc... how will we know we are close?
Well, if the WIL VOR has DME we will stay tuned in to that on our NAV instruments and just like the airport when we took off we will use the WIL Outbound to measure our distance from the VOR. So, when we intercept the WIL VOR, we will keep it tuned into our NAV and then turn on a heading of 205 and measure our distance from the VOR to gauge how close we are to the Airport. Of course we will be keep visual reference around us as we fly as well.
I hope that was somewhat clear on what our flightplan is and how we will approach it.
PE
Boy that Plan G looks pretty cool!!
FYI A2A is having a 25% off sale right now..
https://a2asimulations.com/store/ (https://a2asimulations.com/store/)
Cockpit walkthrough of the Flight Factor Airbus A350.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=daTB5xydwF0
It's out! :D My virtual airline does not fly this yet. No real airline does. So I'm not buying. But it's cool.
Releasing on 18 December.
Not sure if it fixes anything or will it take in existing add-ons. This is being published by the guys behind Train Simulator 2015. Speculation is that it might just be normal FSX. No improved except multilayer support lol!
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Would our add ons install I wonder? Probably not.. but that would be awesome if it was to be upgraded to take care of modern hardware, but work with all the add ons that we invested in this game... Jeez, for a cheapskate, I sure spent a lot of money on this game/genre!
How much is it going to cost? Will it be the Gold edition?
FYI.. Carenado sale going on, except for the 'new' planes.. except one mistake
flightsimstore has the glass cockpit Seneca V on sale by accident. This is a brand new plane that usually goes for 37 bucks I think.. I got it for 11..
Not sure how long it will be up there at that price, I think it's a mistake.. None of the other stores have 'that' plane on sale..
http://www.flightsimstore.com/product_info.php?products_id=3029 (http://www.flightsimstore.com/product_info.php?products_id=3029)
That same store also has Orbx on sale until I think Jan 2..
FSX Steam version is out. And it's just $5!!!!!! Original price is $25.
A lot of positive reviews so far and they say it is more stable than the original.
Not sure about add-on compatibility. Time will tell.
Don't say I didn't warn you. Some talk about the add-ons issue:
http://www.flightsim.com/vbfs/showthread.php?285523-Will-addons-work-on-FSX-Steam-Edition
Maybe this will fix the Judge's issues. ORbx says their stuff works
Already told judge. He said he will buy and the price is so insignificant and won't hurt even if the add-ons don't work.
I bought as well. I hope this it based on the FSX 'Gold' release.
If it has the F-18 then it is.
Quote from: Staggerwing on December 18, 2014, 07:24:11 PM
I bought as well. I hope this it based on the FSX 'Gold' release.
It is...plus here are the additions and fixes beyond the gold release....
Microsoft Flight Simulator X: Steam Edition Change LogThe below change log represents the key changes made to FSX: Gold Edition to create FSX: Steam Edition.
General
* FSX: Steam Edition is now built using the VS2013 compiler for better optimisation and performance. (Still makes use of VS2005 libraries for backwards compatibility.)
* Updated splash, launcher and mission preview images for FSX:SE versions.
Multiplayer, networking and communications
* Gamespy networking now replaced by new Steam networking.
* Game chat now integrated with Steam chat
* Friends/Banned lists now integrated with Steam.
* Game invites now use Steam.
* Host networking defaults to a single port 6112.
* Host networking uses 27016 for Steam Master Server Browser.
* Host timeout (loss of connection to host) now 35 seconds by default (was 55).
* "Disconnected" message dialog now retained on screen for 4 mins before automatic dismissal (was 30 secs).
Steam Support
* Top Down Camera (camera view select 4) was previously bound to F12 by default which is normally used for Steam's screenshot feature. Camera View Select 4 now uses Shift+F12 by default to avoid potential clash.
Compatibility with FSX boxed
* FSX and FSX: Steam Edition co-Existence feature allows both versions to be installed on the same machine.
Default System-Setting Alterations
* Increased TEXTURE_MAX_LOAD to 4096 up from 1024
* Changed HIGHMEMFIX=1
* Increased Vertex and Index Buffers and the number of buffers.
Bugs Fixed
* Fix to particle emitter controllers which were not being updated properly.
* Fix to flush all levels of detail in terrain cache.
* Fix to Texture Composition preventing fail and crash.
* Fixed issue where player is able to reserve more slots for friends than maximum players allowed in the game.
* Fixed issue where invalid Briefing Room was presented to player when cancelling session creation.
* Fixed issue where weather text in the multiplayer briefing room is partially cut off.
* Fixed issue where no error message appears when attempting to host a session with the network adapter disabled.
* Fixed issue where there is no error message when attempting to host a session with the network cable unplugged.
* Fixed issue where host player is frozen after a collision occurs in multiplayer.
* Fixed issue where client gets dropped from a multiplayer game after they crash into the host.
* Fixed issue where the Host Options in multiplayer/ Free Flight allow a user to have a maximum of 99 player slots.
* UIAutomationCore.dll work-a-round is now supplied by default with FSX:SE. This fixes a number of crashes relating to UI interaction on 64-bit versions of Windows.
* Fixed issue where the application's taskbar preview window displays no content on Windows 8 and above
* Prevent default colour mode for Windows 7 and above (enable automatic display composition).
* sserife.fon file now automatically supplied and loaded.
REX confirms that heir stuff works. But it's the latest iteration, not REX1 or REX2
I have Rex 4.. I thought they said the before it does, the one that has the weather Engine..
I wonder if ASN works?
So I got this, seemed like a steal for 5 bucks, but I can tell already I'm going to have to spend some cash on scenery. The auto gen that ships with the game looks awful, like falcon before BMS. I cranked everything up in the settings and it still doesn't look remotely as pretty as the screen shots I've scene.
The main purpose for this is to get some back ground knowledge in civi aviation, I'm pretty good with dcs, but I've been itching to see what a big airliner feels like. I wonder how much free content is out there to pretty this thing up ?
Skoop, get your free stuff from Flightsim.Com or AVSim
Did anybody try to install FSpassenger or Airhauler. According to the forums this shouldn't work : I would be very surprised if it were to work since there is no ability to use FSUIPC
I have Air Hauler but haven't installed it yet
Quote from: Pete Dero on December 19, 2014, 05:17:58 AM
Did anybody try to install FSpassenger or Airhauler. According to the forums this shouldn't work : I would be very surprised if it were to work since there is no ability to use FSUIPC
I saw this on FSUIPC support board from the developer....seems like he is pretty confident he can get to work. I think eventually most of the add-ons will likely work after the developers tweak them and it is in their best interest since having on Steam could open a huge market of additional customers.
*** from the developer of FSUIPC ***
I purchased the Steam edition yesterday at the introductory price specifically so I could check and adjust the Installer. However, I was out all evening so I was unable to go further. I will be downloading it today and should be able to have a revised install package ready over the weekend if not before.
Pete
I grabbed it too.. I heard someone on Avsim say that ASN wasn't working :-(...
This is like Graviteam going to Steam.. if you want to do an FSX reinstall, this would be so much easier!
Quote from: Grim.Reaper on December 19, 2014, 07:13:45 AM
Quote from: Pete Dero on December 19, 2014, 05:17:58 AM
Did anybody try to install FSpassenger or Airhauler. According to the forums this shouldn't work : I would be very surprised if it were to work since there is no ability to use FSUIPC
I saw this on FSUIPC support board from the developer....seems like he is pretty confident he can get to work. I think eventually most of the add-ons will likely work after the developers tweak them and it is in their best interest since having on Steam could open a huge market of additional customers.
*** from the developer of FSUIPC ***
I purchased the Steam edition yesterday at the introductory price specifically so I could check and adjust the Installer. However, I was out all evening so I was unable to go further. I will be downloading it today and should be able to have a revised install package ready over the weekend if not before.
Pete
Sounds like the developer believes it will be a bigger job after all, plus his development PC crashed.....sounds like January 9th at the earliest.
Well, Traffic 360 doesn't appear to be working. Took off from Seattle midday and there wasn't another plane in sight.
Also, REX2 crashed on startup...so it doesn't seem that is working either ???
Quote from: Grim.Reaper on December 19, 2014, 04:21:04 PM
*** from the developer of FSUIPC ***
I purchased the Steam edition yesterday at the introductory price specifically so I could check and adjust the Installer. However, I was out all evening so I was unable to go further. I will be downloading it today and should be able to have a revised install package ready over the weekend if not before.
Pete
Sounds like the developer believes it will be a bigger job after all, plus his development PC crashed.....sounds like January 9th at the earliest.
He released an update (4.938) today :
I'm pleased to report that after a day of struggling (Friday) I got my development PC working well enough to do some work. I just dare not switch it off or I think it won't come on again!. It is crippled -- it won't run P3D because I had to substitute an older non-DX11 video card. but it was okay for testing with FSX and FSX-SE,
FSUIPC Version 4.938 is now available, and works as best as I can make it with FSX-SE. The installer copes with both ways FSX-SE installs (free-standing or alongside FSX Boxed), and all the hooks appear to work except for the full wind-smoothing fiddle (rarely used these days with such good weather programs), and the "G3D crash" patch. In the latter case the code in that area has changed and i'm not sure whether the fix would still be needed in any case.
Feedback on any of the FSUIPC facilities would be useful, but I may not deal with it now for a week or two!
Download location : http://forum.simflight.com/topic/66139-updated-modules/
Just a heads up... Captain Sim Sale starts tomorrow, everything 9.99 Euros. Thinking about picking up the L-1011.
PE
I grabbed the Razbam metroliner at fspilot shop I think, for .10 bucks, think it's usually 50.
@ Skoop- you can pick up the MegaScenery Hawaiian Islands pack for about $3 I think. They use photoreal imagery for the scenery. The problem is that some of the satellite shots had cloud cover, so you get some patches that are kind of chowed up, hence they sell it for only a few bucks. It's still very nice, and a good way to sample their scenery packs to see how you like them.
I also picked up some of the Hawaiian airports on sale. Very, very nice and look just like the real thing.
Also, the MegaScenery stuff is almost always discounted. Don't pay full price. If you can't find it 40+% off post here and I'll shoot up a discount code when I get one.
Haven't played a non-combat flight sim since... uh, this one:
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but I picked up FSX during the sale. Haven't messed with it much yet, just a couple of check flights from a couple fields I know in r/l. I noticed that that the stock terrain is not terribly accurate as far as roads and rivers (I didn't expect the towns to be very accurate other than in general location) but I had fun puttering around in the Cessna and trying to get the P-51 off the ground without RTFM.
Anyone seen the Aerosoft F14X? Looks absolutely spectacular.
I heard it rivals the Superbug. That's saying a lot.
Quote from: Toonces on December 24, 2014, 10:17:55 PM
I heard it rivals the Superbug. That's saying a lot.
I bought it. Looks great, but I have no idea what I'm doing with it.
For some bizarre reason, I'm totally not interested in military aircraft in FSX.
It's like "If I can't shoot shite, I don't need it" and totally blank the module.
I was almost the same (but totally opposite) with DCS and the Mi-8....no reason for it...it wasn't a combat vessel.
So it's kind of if the game engine is a military game, I want stuff that blows stuff up. If it's a civil flight sim, I want stuff that doesn't blow stuff up.
Weird - but not on my earth :D
The A2A B-17 is pretty awesome!
Did you manage your flight round the world?
I'd probably put old WWII aircraft in an exception because the era doesn't fit - so I'd be unlikely to be doing strafing/dive bombing/strategic bombing with those in FSX
I got the steam edition up and running with a ton of orbx freeware content, been having a blast just flying around sight seeing. Best 5 bucks I've spent this year.
I was doing it once.. but found out the fuel wasn't realistic at all with time compression.. So I started another on in Real Time, but I haven't flown in awhile..
so far
kbos (Boston) cyqx (Gander Newfoundland), cyyt (St. Johns Newfoundland), *LPLA (Lajes Azores) LPPD ( Ponta Delgada, Azores)...
*LPLA was originally gonna be EINN, but I didn't like my winds and fuel consumption, so diverted to LPLA.
Next stop will probably be Spain or Portugal.. FTX global is on sale till Jan 2nd.. think I might pick it up then continue my trip..
Any of you guys have the VRS Superbug with Tacpack...I'm really thinking about picking them up. Any thoughts?
I know a couple of you guys have the Superbug and/or the F-14.
What are you doing with them in FSX? I am very seriously thinking about jumping in with the F-14 and Tacpack, but I'm not sure what I'm going to do once I buy them.
I could be interested in setting up a small online group ala Dogs of War for some 2v2 fights or something.
I've always been a purely tubeliner guy in FSX. I'm not sure how much appeal a fighter is going to have...shooting down airliners is going to get old pretty quick. I'm trying to get a sense of what I can do with the FSX and Tacpack tools to make interesting missions and such.
Shooting down airliners make no sense. If you want combat, go with DCS. Theres no AI that try to evade or shoot ypu down. Maybe fight multilayer. Only thing going for FSX is that the whole world is modeled unlike DCS' limited area of operations.
For the most part I agree with you. However, I've been reading up what I can find in between posts here, and it looks like there is quite a bit of activity using the Superbug and F-14 along with Tacpack. It looks like I need to join an organized online group to get the most out of them.
I've got my DCS pretty pimped up, and I agree it's a much better air combat platform. But it lacks the F-14/18 and meaningful carrier ops, and that's what's appealing to me right now. That F-14 looks stunning!
Talk to me Goose! O0
Steam sale on XPlane 10. At 50% off it's 29 bucks American for another 40 hours or so. You get the Mac and Win versions as well as some love for Tux (and Huw) O0
http://store.steampowered.com/app/292180/
It includes some scenery packs though I'm not sure that they are not part of the regular retail package anyway.
PMDG 777 is now compatible with Steam Edition.
Need to download a new installer though.
QuoteWe have so much to share with you this weekend. This is just the first part of many!
Last night we released updates to both of the of our FSX based 777 products in order to make them compatible with both FSX and FSX:Steam Edition (FSX SE)
In the process of building this update, we have updated the 777s to version 1.10.6320, which we are calling SP1d... I want to be absolutely clear that SP1d and SP1c are functionally identical, except for some structural changes that will not impact your use of the software.
If you are running FSX ONLY - then this update IS NOT necessary for you.
If you wish to use the 777s in FSX:SE, then you will need this update.
Now here is where there is a change you should pay attention to! In the past we have created update installers that were around 130MB or so- and you simply downloaded these in order to update your installation. This time, because of the changes we had to make to our installation process in order to account for FSX:SE- you will need to download the entire installer, fresh from our system... There is no "patch" installer for either the PMDG 777-200LR/F or the PMDG 777-300ER.
You can find the downloads by logging onto your eCommerce account, clicking on previous orders, and selecting the appropriate product.
I saw that. I have the ngx, via disk. When the fix comes for that I hope that include disk fix. Still not moving till ASN is fixed.
PMDG 777 P3D released.
http://www.precisionmanuals.com/pages/product/P3D/777LRF.html
http://www.precisionmanuals.com/pages/product/P3D/773ER.html
PGm 4117 via dlc atgm release via SSHD with a 4 pentaGus upload.
this is great because it enables 3d inverse retina detachment FF is 12 axis and multi screen supp0rt.
usb rectal probe optional and 5x5 on a JTACS direct freak.
all joking aside, the gamer in me applaud you guys.
Im still sit here and look at the GTOS screen like Gus looking at the difficulty setting in RTW2. :-[
Quote from: jomni on February 07, 2015, 10:06:53 PM
PMDG 777 P3D released.
http://www.precisionmanuals.com/pages/product/P3D/777LRF.html
http://www.precisionmanuals.com/pages/product/P3D/773ER.html
There is a migration tool that transfers fsx content into p3d. After playing fsx se heavily, I can say it's not much better than regular fsx. What is better is p3d. If you guys are going to move your fsx engine anywhere it should be to p3d. Or just switch to xplane, I have been doing both.
Whut!?
PMDG's first X-Plane project is a DC-6.
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Oh that does look very nice indeed.
I just saw that FSX@War has released the first part of its package, the Carrier and Convoy Planner.
Don't ask me what it is, or what it does; I don't have TacPack yet. Although, this might be enough to get me to invest in the F-14 or Superbug and TacPack finally. Gonna wait and see what the masses have to say about this first. I'm still not sure if there is anything (interesting) to do in single player, or if it's MP only, and if MP, who the heck do I play with?
http://www.fsxwar.com/#info
Carrier and Convoy Planner (CCP)
An exciting but dangerous world, which is sufficient in itself initially, but will be fully integrated, soon, to FSX@War.
In your own way and according to the missions you decide to develop, land and sea convoys. Merchant ships or war ships, friends or foes, destroy or protect, defensless or able to defend themselves, to fight back. You will need to stop the threatening convoys of military vehicles that push on the rural roads in the outskirts of cities in hostile territory.
Both static and/or moving targets to exercise your Fighter Pilot, Navigator, the Weapons System Operator talents or air controller aboard AWACS for example.
More than ever radar, FLIR and all the avionics mastering will be essential assets during your missions.
Once again, in Single or Multiplayer from Allied Air Bases, but also from a moving aircraft carrier at sea, with air refueling tankers, you can practice your tactician skills and you will need to remain alert to avoid becoming a target yourself!
I've been following this as well. Don't own TAC PAK so I can't test it, but I do have the F-14. Could be an alternative to hold us over until those must have DCS projects come to fruition.
Quote from: Toonces on March 19, 2015, 02:46:36 PM
I just saw that FSX@War has released the first part of its package, the Carrier and Convoy Planner.
Don't ask me what it is, or what it does; I don't have TacPack yet. Although, this might be enough to get me to invest in the F-14 or Superbug and TacPack finally. Gonna wait and see what the masses have to say about this first. I'm still not sure if there is anything (interesting) to do in single player, or if it's MP only, and if MP, who the heck do I play with?
http://www.fsxwar.com/#info
Carrier and Convoy Planner (CCP)
An exciting but dangerous world, which is sufficient in itself initially, but will be fully integrated, soon, to FSX@War.
In your own way and according to the missions you decide to develop, land and sea convoys. Merchant ships or war ships, friends or foes, destroy or protect, defensless or able to defend themselves, to fight back. You will need to stop the threatening convoys of military vehicles that push on the rural roads in the outskirts of cities in hostile territory.
Both static and/or moving targets to exercise your Fighter Pilot, Navigator, the Weapons System Operator talents or air controller aboard AWACS for example.
More than ever radar, FLIR and all the avionics mastering will be essential assets during your missions.
Once again, in Single or Multiplayer from Allied Air Bases, but also from a moving aircraft carrier at sea, with air refueling tankers, you can practice your tactician skills and you will need to remain alert to avoid becoming a target yourself!
Interesting. I've been out of FSX for a while. But this is better than DCS if it does combat well. Why? Because you have the whole world as your map.
Well define 'doing combat well'. :)
Claiming its must be better than DCS because you will have the whole world as a sole reason is paper thin to me, though. (No offense meant) :D
Have any of you undergone any formal VATSIM "training"?
I'm planning on returning to FSEconomy/Prepar3d and I'd like to finally try my hand at VATSIM for something other than the occasional flight following check in.
I always feared it because of my partial deafness.. I think Jomni did it a a lot.. There's also a paid service called Pilot's Edge, but it only support Southwest US, but they have coverage everywhere and they're professional
Hey thanks Tuna, I'd forgotten about Pilot's Edge. It'd be worth paying for a couple of months just to do their training program and learn without feeling like I'm fouling things up for other people.
Quote from: republic on March 29, 2015, 05:26:28 PM
Have any of you undergone any formal VATSIM "training"?
I'm planning on returning to FSEconomy/Prepar3d and I'd like to finally try my hand at VATSIM for something other than the occasional flight following check in.
I do VATSIM but no formal training for me. Don't worry, just let them know you're new and they will guide you and be patient.
IF you have questions, ask me.
Quote from: Yskonyn on March 21, 2015, 11:07:20 AM
Well define 'doing combat well'. :)
Claiming its must be better than DCS because you will have the whole world as a sole reason is paper thin to me, though. (No offense meant) :D
If aircraft systems and weapons models are done in a realistic way, similar to DCS. But I doubt that wI'll happen.
Quote from: Tuna on March 29, 2015, 05:31:20 PM
I always feared it because of my partial deafness.. I think Jomni did it a a lot.. There's also a paid service called Pilot's Edge, but it only support Southwest US, but they have coverage everywhere and they're professional
Tuna, you can interact in VATSIM using just text. No need to talk and receive by voice.
Quote from: jomni on March 30, 2015, 12:29:24 AM
Quote from: Yskonyn on March 21, 2015, 11:07:20 AM
Well define 'doing combat well'. :)
Claiming its must be better than DCS because you will have the whole world as a sole reason is paper thin to me, though. (No offense meant) :D
If aircraft systems and weapons models are done in a realistic way, similar to DCS. But I doubt that wI'll happen.
That's underestimating what needs to be done.
If you look at the time it takes DCS to come up with a proper radar alorithm, I wouldn't hold my breath for FS. :)
Captaisim promotion. win a free plane by participating in a poll.
http://www.captainsim.com/support/vote/index.html
That damn Navigraph switched to a subscription plan for charts! I'm wont be to buy individual airport charts for a dollar or less. :'(
If anyone is an Orbx fan they are having a sale through the end of May! O0
The future of flight sim. Read these articles and watch the demo videos on upcoming technologies.
http://nexgenflightsim.com/ (http://nexgenflightsim.com/)
Quote from: jomni on May 30, 2015, 06:23:24 PM
The future of flight sim. Read these articles and watch the demo videos on upcoming technologies.
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Swap out the 'img /img' tags for 'url /url' ones and the link will work.
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Quote from: jomni on May 30, 2015, 06:23:24 PM
The future of flight sim. Read these articles and watch the demo videos on upcoming technologies.
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Duh! :uglystupid2:
PMDG 747 version 2.
http://www.avsim.com/topic/478765-25nov15-pmdg-747-400-queen-of-the-skies-ii-vc-preview/
I have been on the wagon since April. Such an expensive addiction!!!!
PMDG does rock though! 8)
I know most flight simmers scoff at the notion of using a mouse, but is X Plane 10 at all playable with one? I just tried the demo, and unless I'm mistaken, it seems that you have to click in the windshield to toggle mouse control, and the pointer (annoyingly) remains on the screen the whole time.
I suppose I could try my dusty old Saitek but I don't know if it will work on Linux.
You can do mouse control but its damn hard.
Thanks - actually I've just discovered FlightGear which is free and the mouse control seems a bit more intuitive. This will probably do nicely. :)
I made an attempt to get into xplane last winter and flew the jar designs A320. The plane was great and the x64 xplane performs great, but ultimately I shelved it. The awful ATC, Awful weather and clouds, awful AI traffic, and bare bones scenery bumbed me out so I went back to prepare. I took another look at xplane this week because the flightfactor 767 just released and it looks awesome, but I know I will just get bored with xplane again. I wish xplane had all the quality addons and orbx scenery that fsx/prepar3d have, I would permanently make the switch.
FYI orbx is close to releasing it's version of SoCal, that will be a blast flying over my home town with orbx eyecandy goodness to look at.
That is why I fly X-Plane in VATSIM (I do the same in FSX). Solves the AI and ATC problem.
64 bit is what I'm going for.
OK.. just installed a New Motherboard/CPU/Memory.. Should I move to Steam? Or do the benefits not out weigh the trouble with installing certain add ons?
Quote from: Tuna on March 17, 2016, 02:40:23 PM
OK.. just installed a New Motherboard/CPU/Memory.. Should I move to Steam? Or do the benefits not out weigh the trouble with installing certain add ons?
Not sure because I didn't get the (FSX) Steam version. Despite the claim that it is more stable, and still being supported by the developers unlike the dead Microsoft FSX, the fact that it is still 32 bit means that you will still get the out of memory (OOM) issue if you use certain demanding add-ons. To elaborate, even if you have 16GB of memory, FSX can only use only 4GB as it is a 32 bit program. Though having more memory will still help in running external programs related to FSX at the same time. The investment in CPU does help.
Don't know where by other post went.
But the latest news on the flightsim scene are as follows.
1) New product called Dovetail Flight School was announced. It's a stripped down Flight Simulator X Steam Edition, with a similar concept to the now-dead Microsoft Flight but Dovetail (the guys who made Steam Edition) put in some improvements in the graphics.
2) The next iteration of FS Steam Edition will be Dovetail Flight Simulator 2016. And it will include graphical and engine advancements made in Dovetail Flight School. But I'm not buying anything based on FSX until it goes 64 bit. This is the main reason why I'm still using X-Plane.
Quote from: jomni on March 17, 2016, 05:16:04 PM
Don't know where by other post went.
But the latest news on the flightsim scene are as follows.
1) New product called Dovetail Flight School was announced. It's a stripped down Flight Simulator X Steam Edition, with a similar concept to the now-dead Microsoft Flight but Dovetail (the guys who made Steam Edition) put in some improvements in the graphics.
2) The next iteration of FS Steam Edition will be Dovetail Flight Simulator 2016. And it will include graphical and engine advancements made in Dovetail Flight School. But I'm not buying anything based on FSX until it goes 64 bit. This is the main reason why I'm still using X-Plane.
FSX is so much prettier though!!!
Actually Xplane has the power to be prettier, it just doesn't have the addon support from 3rd parties like ORBX.
Looks like I will be hanging them up from flight simming... my pc was hit by lighting and vaporized and I just don't have the time or patience to setup FSX again from scratch and tweak. Maybe one day I will, but for now I think I have a fork in me.
PE
Quote from: PanzersEast on April 01, 2016, 08:09:55 PM
Looks like I will be hanging them up from flight simming... my pc was hit by lighting and vaporized and I just don't have the time or patience to setup FSX again from scratch and tweak. Maybe one day I will, but for now I think I have a fork in me.
PE
Hit by lighting?
That's how I was when my HD crashed last year, PE. I think about how much work and time it took to get FSX up and running like I had it, and I just can't bare the thought of hunting down all those downloads and keys, installing everything, tweaking everything....ugh.
Quote from: Toonces on April 01, 2016, 10:06:09 PM
That's how I was when my HD crashed last year, PE. I think about how much work and time it took to get FSX up and running like I had it, and I just can't bare the thought of hunting down all those downloads and keys, installing everything, tweaking everything....ugh.
Sounds exactly like me when my HDD crashed last month. Just haven't bothered to reinstall everything FSX related from scratch. I have a backup of everything, but almost all have to be reinstalled anyway and that takes a long time.
After assembling my new PC and looking forward at reinstall and tweaking FSX:SE or jumping over to P3D..... I have decided to jump on board with X-Plane 10. After digging around and doing some research I believe it is the best path forward. Once major draw is the flight dynamics and not having to tweak and re-tweak etc....
My plan moving forward is starting with the JARDesgin A330 Study Sim and then branching out from there. Does anyone have recommended add-ons? I see SkyMaxx Pro V3 is one I will probably pick up once I am ready.
And then some of the following.
http://forum.mutleyshangar.com/index.php?/topic/17531-x-planes-must-have-collection/
I just am ready for something different.....
PE
x737 is free and now has 3D cockpit.
http://eadt.eu/
Though to make the most out of it, you have to buy the x737FMC
http://ufmc.eadt.eu/x737FMC
Or install the free X-FMC
http://www.x-fmc.com/
If you want a proper 737 get the IXEG 737 Classic. It's an older model of 737 but well made. A bit expensive.
http://www.x-aviation.com/catalog/product_info.php/take-command-ixeg-737-classic-p-122
There's a lot more nice planes. But a 737 in your hangar is essential. Since it's a right sized airliner not too big and not too small. An A320 (Jar design) is an alternative if you're into airbus.
X-Plane has lots of GA planes to choose from and it may be more visually satisfying to fly low in X-Plane than cruise at high altitude.
For environment, Skymaxx pro and Real Weather Connector are pretty good.
http://www.x-aviation.com/catalog/product_info.php/skymaxx-pro-p-115
http://www.x-aviation.com/catalog/product_info.php/real-weather-connector-p-120
For airports, I suggest looking for a free version in X-Plane.org before buying a commercial product. There are many free airport that match or surpass the quality of payware as you can see from your link.
The plugins in your link are pretty essential.
Thanks jomni, how is the 777? I have my eye on the A330 and A32x. I also saw the release of the IXEG 737 and it looks pretty sweet.
PE
I'm obsessed with finding rudders now. I'm shocked at how limited the options are...WTF?
Quote from: PanzersEast on May 12, 2016, 06:35:14 PM
Thanks jomni, how is the 777? I have my eye on the A330 and A32x. I also saw the release of the IXEG 737 and it looks pretty sweet.
PE
It's fine. I fly it if I want a big plane (don't have the 330) but it's no PMDG and find it to be quite heavy to fly compared to PMDG 777. I think their (FlightFactor / VMAX) later additions 757 and 767 are better.
If it ain't Boeing, it ain't going. That's what I always say.
My CH rudder pedals are going on 10 years old through at least 5 moves. Rock solid, even if not the prettiest pedals out there.
Quote from: Toonces on May 12, 2016, 07:32:26 PM
My CH rudder pedals are going on 10 years old through at least 5 moves. Rock solid, even if not the prettiest pedals out there.
Serial or USB? I had a pair of serial pedals a long time ago. They were lost in one of the many moves I endured during the second half of the 2010's
Quote from: Toonces on May 12, 2016, 07:32:26 PM
My CH rudder pedals are going on 10 years old through at least 5 moves. Rock solid, even if not the prettiest pedals out there.
Interesting...those are pretty easy to find, but I haven't really been paying attention because the reviews are lukewarm, at best. A lot of complaints about quality and placement of the pedals being too close together...but heck, if they're good enough for Toonces...
I am with Toonces. My CH pedals have been great.
I would be interested to talk to folks who complain about quality. All my CH gear gets heavily used and has soldiered on for years.
They're USB. The pedals are close together no doubt. And they're plastic. But the bad boys work, so what can I say?
They're the only ones I've ever owned, so I don't have a point of comparison. I say buy through Amazon, try 'em, and if you don't like them you can always send them back for free (if you buy through Amazon and not 3rd party).
I got a pair of VKB rudder pedals, by far the best I've had. They blow my saitek pedals out of the water. They are manufactured in Russia, but you can now purchase them from a U.S. online web site that's run by the same guy who runs 777 flight sims. If you truely want the best pedals, get the crosswinds, custom made in Serbia.
Seriously though, my VKB set didn't cost that much more than CH pedals and the construction is all metal. VKB is coming out with full range of hotas in the near future as well.
Quote from: Skoop on May 13, 2016, 03:08:58 PM
I got a pair of VKB rudder pedals, by far the best I've had. They blow my saitek pedals out of the water. They are manufactured in Russia, but you can now purchase them from a U.S. online web site that's run by the same guy who runs 777 flight sims. If you truely want the best pedals, get the crosswinds, custom made in Serbia.
Seriously though, my VKB set didn't cost that much more than CH pedals and the construction is all metal. VKB is coming out with full range of hotas in the near future as well.
I looked into these. They won't be available in the US for another 7 weeks. I think the new version is coming out.
I have had my CH Pro Pedals for over 10 years and they are still in working order, but their accuracy was never to write home about.
I always need a fairly large deadzone and a curve to make them feel like they give the input real rudder Pedals give. They also had nasty spikes in their output, but that's probably the years demanding their toll now.
Construction is good though, no matter the fact they are plastic.
They have been picked up today by a friend actually, so they're going to see action again.
I got my MFG's for my birthday last December and yes, they are in a league of their own.
First PMDG plane for X-Plane nearly done.
http://www.avsim.com/topic/488271-08may16-pmdg-dc-6-update-beta-testing-nearly-finished-for-x-plane-release/
X-Life. AI and ATC plugin. Wonder how good this is compared to the faulty default one and FSX.
http://store.x-plane.org/X-Life-Deluxe_p_472.html
I have X-Plane 10 installed and started testing and re-learning my simming flow. So far so good, but I still have the FSX tendency on how to click and open etc.... but getting there. I have noticed that with the image you see below, would have never been possible in FSX, running at 2560x1440 as seen below I was still getting around 19 FPS. That is will ai traffic and all the eye candy you see, traffic etc on an old 660GTX.... I am getting the 1080 at the end of the month. I noticed that my CPU was not breaking a sweet, however my GPU was taking a hit.
Just a readjustment, but so far I believe I may stick with X-Plane only, there is so much good freeware and scripts out there.... and the new A/C coming out is getting up there in quality and system modeling. For VFR flying, it appears that X-Plane just cannot be beat.
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PE
Quote from: jomni on May 16, 2016, 01:53:10 AM
X-Life. AI and ATC plugin. Wonder how good this is compared to the faulty default one and FSX.
http://store.x-plane.org/X-Life-Deluxe_p_472.html
I saw that as well, looks good.
One last major discrepancy is winter, how do you deal with no winter textures ? It's snowing in xplane but the ground looks like summer ?
What are the best ground textures for X-Plane? I mean the current ones are not terrible, but just wondering. The Mesh from alpilotX is excellent.
Here is my current setup....have not purchased any payware.. yet.
MESH
X-Plane 10 UHD Mesh
X-Plane 10 HD Mesh
Spain UHD Scenery
TEXTURES
Enhanced Runways HD
SKIDS HD Enhancement
TAXI - HD Enhancement Pack
Replacement Road Textures
Europe Library
OpenSceneryX
Realistic Powerlines
MISC
FlywithLua
Real Terra Haze
X-Camera
Vehicle Library Extension
Vehicle Library Extension
HeadShake
PE
I didn't replace any ground textures.
Well, my CH pedals arrived today. I didn't get to play too much before I had to shutdown for the night. It's going to take some time to get used to, but wow! I'm shocked. It's a totally different flight experience. Its really hard to believe how different flight control is with pedals as compared to the RZ twist axis on a stick. I feel like I will inherently have more control over the aircraft...it's really amazing that I had been missing out on this for decades!
O0 O0
Twisting interferes with your other control axis.
Jarhead, you amuse me.
Wait until you try the helos in ARMA, or biplanes in WoFF now!
Quote from: Jarhead0331 on May 17, 2016, 08:42:14 PM
Well, my CH pedals arrived today. I didn't get to play too much before I had to shutdown for the night. It's going to take some time to get used to, but wow! I'm shocked. It's a totally different flight experience. Its really hard to believe how different flight control is with pedals as compared to the RZ twist axis on a stick. I feel like I will inherently have more control over the aircraft...it's really amazing that I had been missing out on this for decades!
Welcome to a new reality. You are truly one of us now. O0
I'm still really digging flight with pedals, but I am really fighting the urge to twist the cyclic anytime I need to yaw the aircraft. It's going to take awhile to break this habit that I've developed from decades of play.
I don't think I'm going to last long with the CH pedals. They work great, but I'm pretty uncomfortable with them. My size 14 feet simply do not fit on the enclosed pads. I'm thinking I will upgrade as soon as the VKB mk IV comes out. That has no enclosed plate for the pedal.
Anyway, I have two really stupid questions. First, how is the pedal supposed to be set up. Right now, when I push the the left pedal forward, the nose of the aircraft yaws to the left and vis versa. This almost feels like it should be the other way around. What is the actual way it works in real aircraft?
Stupid question number two has to do with trim. WTF is it really and how important is it to controlled flight. I never use it. I never even set up controls for it. When you use it, how do you set up your controls for it?
Embarrassingly yours,
Jarhead
Step on left, yaw (nose) to left. It may sound strange but that's how it works.
Think of it as stepping on where you want to put your weight and where the plane must go.
Making me want rudder pedals now too!.. Although, since I installed my new Motherboard, I have not gotten totally back into FSX yet.. so much pain reinstalling!.. Might be better to quit cold turkey save a LOT of money! :2funny:
Quote from: Jarhead0331 on May 19, 2016, 06:57:16 AM
I'm still really digging flight with pedals, but I am really fighting the urge to twist the cyclic anytime I need to yaw the aircraft. It's going to take awhile to break this habit that I've developed from decades of play.
I don't think I'm going to last long with the CH pedals. They work great, but I'm pretty uncomfortable with them. My size 14 feet simply do not fit on the enclosed pads. I'm thinking I will upgrade as soon as the VKB mk IV comes out. That has no enclosed plate for the pedal.
Anyway, I have two really stupid questions. First, how is the pedal supposed to be set up. Right now, when I push the the left pedal forward, the nose of the aircraft yaws to the left and vis versa. This almost feels like it should be the other way around. What is the actual way it works in real aircraft?
Stupid question number two has to do with trim. WTF is it really and how important is it to controlled flight. I never use it. I never even set up controls for it. When you use it, how do you set up your controls for it?
Embarrassingly yours,
Jarhead
Are talking trim in general or just rudder trim ? Trim is pretty important in high fidelity Sims, with Dcs modern aircraft the controls have dampeners and auto assists, but in WWII AC you'll feel it if you not trimmed properly. There's a ton of useful stuff for trim, like if a prop plane pulls hard to the left on taxi, you can trim the rudder to counter, then retrim for take of. Plus it's great for long flights, you can set your trim and never touch you stick until you turn.
Trim is about the first thing you learn when you're in flight school, and it's critically important to fly an airplane.
On your control surfaces you'll have "trim tabs" which act like little miniature elevators on your control surfaces. What they do is put pressure on the control surface to deflect it, similar to how moving an actual control surface- rudder, elevator, ailerons- deflects the airplane's direction.
For example, you're in level, trimmed flight. To go up, you pull back on the stick and this deflects the elevator which causes the nose to go up and the plane starts to climb. If you let go of the stick, in a real plane (that doesn't have auto-trim like an F-16) the nose will go right back down as the elevator goes back to its previous position. To keep the nose up, you have to keep the elevator deflected by holding the stick back. In a real plane you have a lot of force feedback on the stick, and holding it at the precise position to keep the nose at a particular attitude is both tiring and difficult because you have to keep the exact amount of pressure.
When you trim the plane, you deflect a trim tab to work like a mini-elevator on the actual elevator, and when the plane is "in trim" you can let the stick go and the nose will maintain its up attitude.
You can do this for all of your control surfaces.
In the P-3, our elevator trim control was the size of a car steering wheel by your knee. When we were on approach, at about 200 feet we would set "land flaps." They put out too much drag to use them earlier than that. As soon as you called for land flaps you'd give the trim wheel three very full turns forward to trim the plane down, or as the flaps deployed the nose would be virtually uncontrollable due to the amount of lift pushing it up from the flaps. Conversely, on a touch and go, while the plane was rolling down the runway, the co-pilot would call, "flaps, trim, go..." to set the flaps back to takeoff, and give three healthy pulls on the trim tab. Otherwise you'd need to pull a good 20 to 25 pounds of force on the yoke to get the nose to come up. Flying a plane that is out of trim is very hard, and in a P-3 it can be almost uncontrollable due to the huge control surfaces. With two engines out on one side you needed about 50-60 pounds of pressure on the rudder to keep the plane straight, and if you didn't trim that out you'd run out of strength pretty quickly.
In an F-16, like in BMS, the jet has auto-trim to maintain 1-G flight in all attitudes, so once you set the nose it will hold that attitude more or less.
Hope that helps.
I set my trim up like this (CH fighterstick, throttle, pedals):
Ailerons: throttle thumb switch that looks like a sideways H, push up (left), down (right); Elevators: switch back (up), forward (down)
Rudders varies on the sim, because some are wonky with what they'll accept, but typically that pointy switch above the thumb switch, back (left), forward (right).
Great explanation about trim systems there, Toonces!
^Yeah! Thanks for the write-up Toonces. Very helpful, indeed!
Quote from: Jarhead0331 on May 19, 2016, 06:57:16 AM
I'm still really digging flight with pedals, but I am really fighting the urge to twist the cyclic anytime I need to yaw the aircraft. It's going to take awhile to break this habit that I've developed from decades of play.
I don't think I'm going to last long with the CH pedals. They work great, but I'm pretty uncomfortable with them. My size 14 feet simply do not fit on the enclosed pads. I'm thinking I will upgrade as soon as the VKB mk IV comes out. That has no enclosed plate for the pedal.
Anyway, I have two really stupid questions. First, how is the pedal supposed to be set up. Right now, when I push the the left pedal forward, the nose of the aircraft yaws to the left and vis versa. This almost feels like it should be the other way around. What is the actual way it works in real aircraft?
Stupid question number two has to do with trim. WTF is it really and how important is it to controlled flight. I never use it. I never even set up controls for it. When you use it, how do you set up your controls for it?
Embarrassingly yours,
Jarhead
For normal flight don't worry about putting your entire foot on the pedal. Leave your heels on the floor and place your toes on the bottom of the pedals. This should be more comfortable and it will give you more precise control of the rudders. It takes a little getting used to but that has been my technique for years and I think it works well. I got that recommendation from both my ground school training vids and a pilot who took me up for a ride.
I took the springs out of my CH pedals, though I can't remember why at this point ::)
I think it had something to do with flying choppers in ARMA3.
Either way, they made a huge difference from the twisty stick days.
Only pushing the Pedals with the tip of your feet is a good tip. There is no need to have your feet on the Pedals other than braking.
I always found the Pedals to be very sensitive , probably because of the limited range of movement. So I would recommend putting a S-curve on the Axis so it becomes slower in the initial input range.
^ Yes, I do it the Doctor Quest way.
Xplane 11 announced and coming in November.
Catch some videos here. So far it doesn't look radically different from XP10.
http://xplanedotcom.wpengine.com/
Never played it but this is what they list as enhancements....I have been tempted in the past but since Flight Sim did not grab me, I assumed this wouldn't either....
New in X-Plane 11
– A completely redesigned, intuitive user interface that makes setting up and editing your flight a breeze.
– Consistently usable 3-D cockpits and stunningly high-resolution exterior models for all included aircraft.
– A new effects engine for lighting, sounds, and explosions.
– Realistic avionics: all planes are IFR-ready right out of the gate.
– Busy, "living" airports with pushback tugs and roaming fuel trucks, able to service both your aircraft and the simulator's AI planes.
– New buildings & roads to better simulate European cities
– ...and more!
In the coming weeks, we'll dive into the new features and new aircraft coming in X-Plane 11, so be sure to check back here each week!
Quote from: Grim.Reaper on October 08, 2016, 10:25:35 AM
New in X-Plane 11
– A completely redesigned, intuitive user interface that makes setting up and editing your flight a breeze.
Not shown in vid. But maybe just a small enhancement.
Quote– Consistently usable 3-D cockpits and stunningly high-resolution exterior models for all included aircraft.
This means all default aircraft now have 3d cockpits and improved models. But I don't use them for one reason or another.
Quote– A new effects engine for lighting, sounds, and explosions.
Should be a good improvement. But looking at the videos, it does not look significantly different.
Quote– Realistic avionics: all planes are IFR-ready right out of the gate.
Again, for the default aircraft which I never use. The 3rd party planes already have great avionics.
Quote– Busy, "living" airports with pushback tugs and roaming fuel trucks, able to service both your aircraft and the simulator's AI planes.
A welcome addition but not shown in the videos.
Quote– New buildings & roads to better simulate European cities
Still looks the same based on videos. Which means all cities look like suburbs.
Quote– ...and more!
Interested to know about this.
Take note X-Plane is my default simulator so any change would be welcome. On the bright side, minor changes may not break the current add-ons. Which is good.
I would have liked to see seasons and default airport buildings. I can't believe there are not default winter textures. You can mod them in like all things in Xplane. The default airports would be nice to have some detail added to them maybe that's what they are talking about in xp11. I hate having to download dozens of airports for an area I'm flying, a peeve to be flying over an airport and see just a pavement strip with no buildings.
I've put a ton of time into xplane over the last few months after getting it in the steam sale. If you take the time and download some mods or spend some money you can make xp pretty cool. I've rather enjoyed the IXEG 737 classic, best plane in xplane so far. The weather sucks in xp so I broke Down and got the skymax+real weather+fsglobal weather addons and it's been a huge improvement.
Thanks for reminding me about the IXEG. I have yet to get it.
^ Its has a pretty stiff price tag but after a month flying it, was definately worth it. The flight model is so nice for a an airliner, even hand flying it is a dream.
Dovetail's Flight Sim World Bites the Dust
https://www.helisimmer.com/news/dovetail-games-flight-sim-world-fsw-being-shut-down/
https://pcflight.net/flight-sim-world-development-cancelled/
Interesting reaction from PMDG:
QuoteCaptains,
This morning we awoke to news that Dovetail Games has taken the long expected step of pulling the plug on Flightsim World, their hard-scrabble effort to re-invigorate the flight simulation genre abandoned by Microsoft. I don't think anyone in the developer community is particularly surprised by this news, except perhaps that it took as long as it did for the inevitable to sink in.
You may recall that I took Dovetail to task eleven months ago, for what we perceived to be Dovetail's position as a dishonest broker within the long established community of developers and consumers of flight simulation.
(You can read that original post here: https://www.avsim.com/forums/topic/509763-07may17-the-sorts-of-behaviors-that-cause-me-concern/ )
While all of us very much wanted to see them succeed in the development effort, it had became clear that Dovetail endeavored to subsume developers like PMDG by killing off established distribution channels, ending existing developer-customer relationships and forcing all developers to become subservient to their own marketplace established using rigid constraints designed to limit competition.
The end result was predictable, if not entirely inevitable.
You see, from the very beginning, this community has thrived on the concept of individual innovation and success. The innovators of the late 1980s begat the tools and concepts that lead many of us to begin development for flight simulation in the very early 1990s, and the results of those efforts created companies like Aerosoft, Flight1, Justflight, PMDG, and scores of others that you recognize today.
Each developer and company worked hard to create new ideas, innovate new approaches and create a relationship with the customers community based on trust, openness and creativity.
Along the way, individuals have sprung up from time to time that attempted to unbalance the community through selfishness or greed, (How many of you remember the Papa Tango fiasco?) In all of those instances, the community of simmers and developers banded together to keep things moving forward, pointed in the right direction. Developers acting with the community's best interest at heart have long been supported by simmers, and the marketplace continues to expand and thrive with new entrants, new ideas and innovation.
I don't think you could find a more pure example of free market economics anywhere in the online world.
Five years ago, a group of us were involved in attempting to purchase the rights to FSX and Microsoft Flight from Microsoft with the intent to continue development for the benefit of this community. None of us had the financial strength to complete the transaction alone, so we joined together (sometimes uneasily) in order to build a marketplace in which all developers would be given a chance to grow and thrive in a living platform.
Our fledgling conglomerate was grossly out-bid by Dovetail Games in part because we just weren't well funded, but also in part because Dovetail leveraged their established, largely positive reputation along with a costly high bid. They knew from day-one that their plan was to subvert the third party development community and enforce high fees on their own distribution channel that we would all need in order to survive.
They tried to gain cooperation by assuring us that this wasn't the case, but the reality proved to be different than their promises and many of the long-standing trade names in this community (including PMDG) opted not to play along, which presented the dual problem of optics and finances.
And THIS leads me to the entire point of this post: I like this community. Very much. I like simmers, I like our customers, I like our fellow developers, even those with whom we compete. (Okay, maybe not that one that stole from us, but that is another story for another day.:ph34r:) This community, for all of it's trials and tribulations and ups and downs has a way of weeding out the bad actors, the malefactors, the thieves, the cheats and those who would do the community harm. You often don't see it, but the development community supports one another, communicates with one another, and genuinely enjoys seeing one another succeed and thrive.
So at PMDG, we don't view today's news as negative. Sure, we feel terribly for the developers who's project was just trashed, because we know what it is like to pour your heart and soul into something for years on end- but this also wasn't THEIR fault... The fault lies with whomever made the decision that all of us (simmers and developers alike) would follow a concept to certain death, simply because it was held out before us.
This proved not to be the case, however.
On a side note, XPlane is thriving, and those who want to stay in the Microsoft FS Platform has Prepar3D. Or can still stick to the original.
Hm. Well glad I did not buy the P-40 Warhawk add on. I can't complain about this one since I bought DTFS and got FSW free. Dovetail sure are weird with their games. Release for a year then pull the game from sale in both cases. Of the two I got more enjoyment out of Flight School.
The Dovetail mission packs are now free. They will be available until FSW is removed from Steam 05/24/2018. Also there are 3 other modules being discounted until then. P-40 Warhawk is $11.99.
https://store.steampowered.com/app/389280/Flight_Sim_World/ (https://store.steampowered.com/app/389280/Flight_Sim_World/)
X-Plane add-on plane with amazing rain effects. And check out the ice!
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/324831384
X-Plane helped developed this aircraft.
http://www.thedrive.com/tech/25914/beta-technologies-a-vermont-e-vtol-air-taxi-start-up-might-be-about-to-change-the-aviation-world
Quote from: jomni on March 03, 2019, 05:41:41 AM
X-Plane helped developed this aircraft.
http://www.thedrive.com/tech/25914/beta-technologies-a-vermont-e-vtol-air-taxi-start-up-might-be-about-to-change-the-aviation-world
That video made me start to wonder if electric paramotors are coming down the pike and lo an behold, yes!
https://paramotornews.com/category/electric-ppg/ (https://paramotornews.com/category/electric-ppg/)
I'm going to have to start a good diet. :notworthy:
Another one with a very cheap priced motor
http://juicedparamotors.yolasite.com/ (http://juicedparamotors.yolasite.com/)
Yazzy's post mirrors what I've read about P3D.
I have a pretty significant investment in FSX so I haven't upgraded; FSX meets all my needs at the moment from a time/cost perspective. But if I spent a lot of time in civilian simming, I'd invest in P3D, but be prepared to spend a LOT more money pimping it out.
I will say that I have overwhelming felt that my investment in add-ons had greatly enhanced my FSX experience. Once you try it with upgraded terrain and a PMDG aircraft, it's pretty hard to go back to vanilla.
Some of those terrain companies have little trial terrains so you can see for yourself before you buy.
I just purchased P3d4. My orbs and mega earth scenery all ported over from FSX, so no additional expense there. However, you will have to buy a lot of your aircraft again. If you want to check out megaearth scenery, I am doing a virtual tour of CONUS in Piper Cub and posting screenshots at the Mutlley's Hanger website
Quote from: Toonces on March 03, 2019, 09:20:45 PM
Yazzy's post mirrors what I've read about P3D.
I have a pretty significant investment in FSX so I haven't upgraded; FSX meets all my needs at the moment from a time/cost perspective. But if I spent a lot of time in civilian simming, I'd invest in P3D, but be prepared to spend a LOT more money pimping it out.
I will say that I have overwhelming felt that my investment in add-ons had greatly enhanced my FSX experience. Once you try it with upgraded terrain and a PMDG aircraft, it's pretty hard to go back to vanilla.
Some of those terrain companies have little trial terrains so you can see for yourself before you buy.
I've been on P3D since I got back into the hobby a few years ago but IMO P3D going 64 bit made FSX even more obsolete. Would have been worth upgrading just to make OOMs go away. I had to rebuy a few addons when it went to 64-bit but luckily most companies offered the upgrade for free.
Quote from: Tripoli on March 03, 2019, 11:29:47 PM
I just purchased P3d4. My orbs and mega earth scenery all ported over from FSX, so no additional expense there. However, you will have to buy a lot of your aircraft again. If you want to check out megaearth scenery, I am doing a virtual tour of CONUS in Piper Cub and posting screenshots at the Mutlley's Hanger website
If you don't have it already, I highly recommend FreeMesh. Works great with OrbX Global in areas not covered by a regional mesh. Warning..its a huge download.