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Title: U.S. Air Force Can't Find Enough Drone Pilots
Post by: DicedT on August 23, 2013, 08:05:42 AM
Waiting to see the recruitment ad: Video Gamers Wanted  http://www.forbes.com/sites/michaelpeck/2013/08/22/why-cant-the-u-s-air-force-find-enough-pilots-to-fly-its-drones/#comments

Michael
Title: Re: U.S. Air Force Can't Find Enough Drone Pilots
Post by: Gusington on August 23, 2013, 10:41:44 AM
Sign me up.
Title: Re: U.S. Air Force Can't Find Enough Drone Pilots
Post by: Centurion40 on August 23, 2013, 10:48:00 AM
But you'll need to leave NY!
Title: Re: U.S. Air Force Can't Find Enough Drone Pilots
Post by: LongBlade on August 23, 2013, 11:41:27 AM
Quote from: Centurion40 on August 23, 2013, 10:48:00 AM
But you'll need to leave NY!

Can't we work from home? I have a nice joystick.
Title: Re: U.S. Air Force Can't Find Enough Drone Pilots
Post by: TheCommandTent on August 23, 2013, 12:17:12 PM
Quote from: LongBlade on August 23, 2013, 11:41:27 AM
Quote from: Centurion40 on August 23, 2013, 10:48:00 AM
But you'll need to leave NY!

Can't we work from home? I have a nice joystick.

Haha I was thinking the same thing.
Title: Re: U.S. Air Force Can't Find Enough Drone Pilots
Post by: Windigo on August 23, 2013, 12:31:32 PM
Quote from: LongBlade on August 23, 2013, 11:41:27 AM
Quote from: Centurion40 on August 23, 2013, 10:48:00 AM
But you'll need to leave NY!

Can't we work from home? I have a nice joystick.

and from all accounts, nicely polished too
Title: Re: U.S. Air Force Can't Find Enough Drone Pilots
Post by: Greybriar on August 23, 2013, 12:51:41 PM
Quote from: LongBlade on August 23, 2013, 11:41:27 AM
Quote from: Centurion40 on August 23, 2013, 10:48:00 AM
But you'll need to leave NY!

Can't we work from home? I have a nice joystick.

Fat chance of that. Without adequate supervision, someone flying a drone might even attempt to *gasp* kill the President!
Title: Re: U.S. Air Force Can't Find Enough Drone Pilots
Post by: TheCommandTent on August 23, 2013, 12:53:44 PM
Quote from: Greybriar on August 23, 2013, 12:51:41 PM
Quote from: LongBlade on August 23, 2013, 11:41:27 AM
Quote from: Centurion40 on August 23, 2013, 10:48:00 AM
But you'll need to leave NY!

Can't we work from home? I have a nice joystick.

Fat chance of that. Without adequate supervision, someone flying a drone might even attempt to *gasp* kill the President!

But aren't they already watching us all .... even at home?
Title: Re: U.S. Air Force Can't Find Enough Drone Pilots
Post by: bayonetbrant on August 23, 2013, 01:25:00 PM
Quote from: LongBlade on August 23, 2013, 11:41:27 AM
Quote from: Centurion40 on August 23, 2013, 10:48:00 AM
But you'll need to leave NY!
Can't we work from home? I have a nice joystick.
hard to believe Aveeno Man actually typed that

Quote from: TheCommandTent on August 23, 2013, 12:17:12 PM
Quote from: LongBlade on August 23, 2013, 11:41:27 AM
Quote from: Centurion40 on August 23, 2013, 10:48:00 AM
But you'll need to leave NY!
Can't we work from home? I have a nice joystick.
Haha I was thinking the same thing.

I don't wanna know why you know how nice LB's joystick is
Title: Re: U.S. Air Force Can't Find Enough Drone Pilots
Post by: Martok on August 23, 2013, 01:57:33 PM
Quote from: Windigo on August 23, 2013, 12:31:32 PM
Quote from: LongBlade on August 23, 2013, 11:41:27 AM
Quote from: Centurion40 on August 23, 2013, 10:48:00 AM
But you'll need to leave NY!

Can't we work from home? I have a nice joystick.

and from all accounts, nicely polished too
Ha!  Good one Windy. 

Title: Re: U.S. Air Force Can't Find Enough Drone Pilots
Post by: Windigo on August 23, 2013, 02:28:01 PM
LB is one of the best trollers I know.... he is the the Ubernaut Trollmeister
Title: Re: U.S. Air Force Can't Find Enough Drone Pilots
Post by: LongBlade on August 23, 2013, 04:45:17 PM
Quote from: Windigo on August 23, 2013, 02:28:01 PM
LB is one of the best trollers I know.... he is the the Ubernaut Trollmeister

Loitering with Intent.
Title: Re: U.S. Air Force Can't Find Enough Drone Pilots
Post by: Toonces on August 24, 2013, 01:33:51 PM
The problem with filling drone pilot roles I would guess is that it's not a desirable job for somebody that is fully qualified to fly manned aircraft.  Who would prefer flying a drone to flying almost anything manned?  Further, these guys know that it's career ending in a branch that identifies groups like "the fighter mafia".

If they want to get serious about filling drone slots they need to offer a hefty incentive.  An undergraduate pilot trainee who volunteers to go drones for his first tour gets his pick of any platform in the Air Force for his follow on tour.  Basically give the Air Force 3 years in drones and they'll guarantee you a shot at an F-15 cockpit, or whatever airplane you prefer.

After 18 years trying unsuccessfully to get into a jet cockpit myself, I would have gladly taken 3 years in a drone to be guaranteed a Super Hornet seat.
Title: Re: U.S. Air Force Can't Find Enough Drone Pilots
Post by: JudgeDredd on August 26, 2013, 08:12:23 AM
Should probably head over to SimHQ - but imagine the feedback!!! "This isn't realistic", "There's no way a drone would fly like that", "Where's the damn flight modelling!"  ;)
Title: Re: U.S. Air Force Can't Find Enough Drone Pilots
Post by: bayonetbrant on August 26, 2013, 08:36:12 AM
Quote from: Toonces on August 24, 2013, 01:33:51 PMIf they want to get serious about filling drone slots they need to offer a hefty incentive.  An undergraduate pilot trainee who volunteers to go drones for his first tour gets his pick of any platform in the Air Force for his follow on tour.  Basically give the Air Force 3 years in drones and they'll guarantee you a shot at an F-15 cockpit, or whatever airplane you prefer.

After 18 years trying unsuccessfully to get into a jet cockpit myself, I would have gladly taken 3 years in a drone to be guaranteed a Super Hornet seat.

that's one of the best ideas I've seen for the military in a looooooooooong time.  Which is probably why it'll never happen.
Title: Re: U.S. Air Force Can't Find Enough Drone Pilots
Post by: Centurion40 on August 26, 2013, 10:43:47 AM
Why would the AF need fully qualified pilots to fly drones?  It seems like a bizarre bureaucratic regulation ensconced by Generals (probably pilots themselves) in order to maintain opportunities for other pilots.

Everyone knows that rank amateurs have no problem flying various types & sizes of remotely controlled aircraft.  I can't see why a group of non-pilots couldn't be trained to fly drones as well as an actual flight-qualified pilot.

A pack of high schools kids, coming out of basic, could probably be ready to go in a couple of weeks if they're just flying recon missions.  A couple of months of training would probably have them ready for strike missions.
Title: Re: U.S. Air Force Can't Find Enough Drone Pilots
Post by: bayonetbrant on August 26, 2013, 11:19:04 AM
The Air Force insists that "pilots" be officers, and they consider UAV pilots to be "real" pilots.

The Army has a shit-ton of warrant officers flying helicopters, and most of their UAV pilots are E5/E6 types.  One guy that used to fly for the Army got out as an E5 and is one of my best friends here in town.
Title: Re: U.S. Air Force Can't Find Enough Drone Pilots
Post by: Centurion40 on August 26, 2013, 12:12:49 PM
The Army is making much more sense, in this instance.

Do you happen to know if USAF drones fill a different role than US Army drones?
Title: Re: U.S. Air Force Can't Find Enough Drone Pilots
Post by: bayonetbrant on August 26, 2013, 12:42:59 PM
Quote from: Centurion40 on August 26, 2013, 12:12:49 PM
The Army is making much more sense, in this instance.

Do you happen to know if USAF drones fill a different role than US Army drones?

they kill more people :)

seriously, tho - most of the Army UAVs are recon-focused.  They're for surveillance and either under control of the local CO/BN CDR or a supporting MI CO.  USAF ones take off from big runways and carried   Hellfire missiles.  We trust warrant officers on-site w/ Hellfires on our Apaches.  The USAF insists on officers in Nevada having control over them ;)
Title: Re: U.S. Air Force Can't Find Enough Drone Pilots
Post by: Centurion40 on August 26, 2013, 01:32:12 PM
Pricey way to do business.  But I suppose that's command by fighter jock for ya.  I understand wanting experienced and mature "operators" flying drones carrying the ability to kill and level buildings, but....
Title: Re: U.S. Air Force Can't Find Enough Drone Pilots
Post by: em2nought on August 31, 2013, 12:25:13 PM
I'd make a "good" patriotic drone pilot.  ;)
Title: Re: U.S. Air Force Can't Find Enough Drone Pilots
Post by: Toonces on September 01, 2013, 03:22:15 AM
I suppose there are a few factors.

In a way a drone in just an RC plane and even a kid can do it.

On the other hand, a drone faces all of the same problems/difficulties a real airplane does and therefore requires a certain level of aeronautical knowledge to fly it effectively and safely.  And, as mentioned, many are carrying live weapons.

These aren't just vehicles that we can afford to lose for a bunch of reasons from publicity to opsec to cost.  So, an understanding of weather, a rigorous trial period of flight training to determine if you can handle something like an in-flight emergency, etc. are probably a good thing.  Also, the maturity of a few extra years of experience, whether in the service like a Warrant, or through an undergraduate degree program and a year or two of indoctrination in the service, are probably a good thing. 

It's easy to be cynical about the inner workings of the military, but in this case the expenditure in training and experience is likely a good thing.  These drones do some pretty extreme things and when the shit hits the fan over a hot spot you want to have a pro at the controls.
Title: Re: U.S. Air Force Can't Find Enough Drone Pilots
Post by: LongBlade on September 01, 2013, 10:22:55 AM
Good points, Toonces.
Title: Re: U.S. Air Force Can't Find Enough Drone Pilots
Post by: Toonces on September 01, 2013, 02:16:03 PM
Yeah, my post was a good thing. 

(Must start taking Longblade's signature picture to heart...)
Title: Re: U.S. Air Force Can't Find Enough Drone Pilots
Post by: LongBlade on September 01, 2013, 05:34:45 PM
Quote from: Toonces on September 01, 2013, 02:16:03 PM
Yeah, my post was a good thing. 

(Must start taking Longblade's signature picture to heart...)

Ha.

OK, your post was extraordinary.
Title: Re: U.S. Air Force Can't Find Enough Drone Pilots
Post by: Boggit on September 04, 2013, 08:20:39 PM
Quote from: Toonces on August 24, 2013, 01:33:51 PM
The problem with filling drone pilot roles I would guess is that it's not a desirable job for somebody that is fully qualified to fly manned aircraft.  Who would prefer flying a drone to flying almost anything manned?  Further, these guys know that it's career ending in a branch that identifies groups like "the fighter mafia".

If they want to get serious about filling drone slots they need to offer a hefty incentive.  An undergraduate pilot trainee who volunteers to go drones for his first tour gets his pick of any platform in the Air Force for his follow on tour.  Basically give the Air Force 3 years in drones and they'll guarantee you a shot at an F-15 cockpit, or whatever airplane you prefer.

After 18 years trying unsuccessfully to get into a jet cockpit myself, I would have gladly taken 3 years in a drone to be guaranteed a Super Hornet seat.
On the plus side, Drone piloting has a good survival record! ;)