First look at Warhammer 40,000: Armageddon!
Games Workshop Games Day event just started. First looks at Warhammer 40k Armageddon!
Well - frankly - from what I can see in that screenshot - it may well be the most disappointing thing I have seen all year.
Please tell me all the hype wasnt about some clone of Commander ?
We clearly stated that we would use the PzC engine that has been in development for 5 years or more as a base, as it is a hexbased turnbased strategy wargame, you don`t throw away such a stable and versatile engine.
In the first place it is game based on the deep, rich and wonderful WH 40K lore, that on itself makes it such a cool project to work on.
But under the hood we have many new features and updates, bigger maps, more zoom levels, a story and character driven campaign, more tiles, more tiled layers, more and multi-unit animations and SFX, units are now posed and move in six directions, better and more detailed graphics, multiple sound tracks, new combat rules, improved AI, cross-platform development, better memory footprints, next gen of server-based PBEM etc... it is a big evolution. It is in all ways a new game. Sure there are similarities, but it is a huge project and fun game.
Good, after this how about a remake of Star General! Maybe something like Star General meets Empire of the Fading Suns (Matrix owns the title).
Let's see how things go with this title. Lots of games are based upon recycled engines and they manage to provide a unique level of gameplay.
A turn-based WH40K game is still interesting.
Agreed, tb WH40K is a definite market, and that is what we were told we were going to get, based on a (modified) engine we're all familiar with (itself an update to a classic gaming engine revered and beloved by practically everyone who has ever played it) -- and that is exactly what this ONE PHOTO OF A SCREENSHOT is showing us. ;)
No disappointment here yet, carry on. :D
Games Workshop, the folks who practically stamped out independent gaming shops back in the late eighties with there tactics. So many good shops went down because of them, and what are we left with now? Space marines and WH40K, way to go >:(
Darkspire
In fairness to those of us who must be named skeptical, this screenshot was offered for promotional purposes.
I'm much less interested in what this game looks like than the design decisions: what do the units represent, is there a QB mode, which armies will be available at release, &c.
I adore the 40k universe as conceived but loathe its last few iterations...exploitive, kit-laden, and little regard for actual game design.
As I've said, given the company and the IP, I'm in, but I'd have liked them to be a bit more adventurous. With their money, of course ;).
Best,
Jim
"Cyrano"
:/7)
Rites of War wasn't popular, but I liked it quite a bit, so if this can be compared to Panzer Corps (PzC can be a confusing abbreviation on a wargaming forum as it only referred to Panzer Campaigns in the past) like RoW could be compared to Panzer (or rather: Fantasy) General, it could be enjoyable.
One thing a Warhammer game doesn't need is cheap units appearing next to objectives, so I'm hoping that aspect is left out.
Quote from: Lord Zimoa on September 29, 2013, 09:26:22 AM
We clearly stated that we would use the PzC engine that has been in development for 5 years or more as a base, as it is a hexbased turnbased strategy wargame, you don`t throw away such a stable and versatile engine.
In the first place it is game based on the deep, rich and wonderful WH 40K lore, that on itself makes it such a cool project to work on.
But under the hood we have many new features and updates, bigger maps, more zoom levels, a story and character driven campaign, more tiles, more tiled layers, more and multi-unit animations and SFX, units are now posed and move in six directions, better and more detailed graphics, multiple sound tracks, new combat rules, improved AI, cross-platform development, better memory footprints, next gen of server-based PBEM etc... it is a big evolution. It is in all ways a new game. Sure there are similarities, but it is a huge project and fun game.
Well - perhaps my comment was misunderstood. Its not your engine I have a problem with - I perhaps missed that previous bit of info. It was more the fact I was expecting a tactical game - with a new engine. Something like the recent space hulk - only much better. I am dissapointed the IP has been acquired only service another game in a line already done. Sorry - whilst the commander engine is ok for what it does - its still just units with points, and different pictures - I dont see how its going to change that much its not.
Again - I am not critisising your game - just voicing my disappointment its not something new.
I'm looking forward to this. Is there a release date?
Quote from: LongBlade on September 29, 2013, 09:58:47 AM
Let's see how things go with this title. Lots of games are based upon recycled engines and they manage to provide a unique level of gameplay.
A turn-based WH40K game is still interesting.
Agree.
TBS 40K can be a winner
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Quote from: SgtRock on September 29, 2013, 09:42:40 AM
Good, after this how about a remake of Star General! Maybe something like Star General meets Empire of the Fading Suns (Matrix owns the title).
Or how about more NEW games? Enough with remaking old stuff...we've played that already. More new stuff, please.
will the game have a quick battle option - or is just a set campaign and then multiplayer?
re old games, rather than companies just redoing old games that were good, i wish they would the old games that were ambitious but failed at the time, like Wargamer 1813, or 1944 Across the Rhine or Fields of Glory (not Field of Glory) etc but i guess that is off the topic.
i suppose what would make it unique would be for the unique aspects of the units to be able make for different tactics/strategies than usual panzer general fare
Quote from: LongBlade on September 29, 2013, 09:58:47 AM
Let's see how things go with this title. Lots of games are based upon recycled engines and they manage to provide a unique level of gameplay.
A turn-based WH40K game is still interesting.
No!
If it is a remake of another remake it is not interesting. Doesn't mean it is bad. Enjoy kids, who did not play the originals. But for my own sake i do not want to replay rites of war or PCG in any incarnation.
^OK with you if the rest of us want to try and enjoy it?
^ Preferably with ice cream. I recommend rocky road, but you can go with whatever you want on the ice cream front.
I shall assume you directed that question at me Gus. No and nowhere in my answer did i say so. I just think it is sad that in 20 years we just get a slighly polished version.
But i do hope i am wrong.
^You don't have to buy it. And as one of the (39 year old) kids who didn't buy the original, I may actually enjoy it. Who knows? I won't know until I try it.
Truth. And that's the vexing part. The Pcg system is nice and all that. But if you played 4+ Pcg style games + rites of war there really isn't much to look forward to. Just modding the game with some
40k gfx doesn't all of a sudden make it interesting.
But if you look forward to it and enjoy it more Power to you, i envy you. For my own sake i just feel dissapointment due to the lack of vision of the devs. Assuming it turns out to be a Pcg clone.
I understand what you're saying and even like the passion of how you're saying it to an extent. We're all gamers here and we all get nerdrage. And you could be right about it being just a fancy mod. But don't crap all over it until you are justified!
No, that's why haven't commented upon this game since the initial announcement on the Matrix forums. I held high hopes at the start, but no more. I'm not saying it will be a bad game. I just don't think it it will be ground breaking, or even interesting for someone who played the old ones.
Quote from: Fetrik on October 01, 2013, 07:42:24 PM
No, that's why haven't commented upon this game since the initial announcement on the Matrix forums. I held high hopes at the start, but no more. I'm not saying it will be a bad game. I just don't think it it will be ground breaking, or even interesting for someone who played the old ones.
In a way I'm glad I didn't play the original.
In your circumstance, I have a saying: the only thing I hate more than being wrong is...being right.
Quote from: LongBlade on October 01, 2013, 08:02:42 PM
In a way I'm glad I didn't play the original.
In your circumstance, I have a saying: the only thing I hate more than being wrong is...being right.
That is how i feel. WTF!! I feel robbed!!! I do hope that there is new mechanics that make the game Worth a buy. I just do not see them. But if anyone missed it i am a huge WH fan just a few years short of the evil lawyer d00d.
Evil lawyer dood...Jarhead?
Haha yeah. I couldn't remember the name at the time. Not that i see him as evil or whatever. He is one of my fav posters of all times.
In honor of you, I am going to refer to him for the rest of my days as The Evil Lawyer Dood[tm].
Aww gosh Gus. I am blushing. :-[
While we speak i am watching season 3 of Spartacus. So you know i know how to blush properly,
See we can all be friends even if we don't nerdgasm at the same things.
~fin~
Quote from: Gusington on October 01, 2013, 09:08:23 PM
See we can all be friends even if we don't nerdgasm at the same things.
~fin~
Indeed. I do not mind or begrudge anyone the enjoyment that this game promises. I'm just fucking disappointed (right or wrong) that this is all that it will be.
Hug?
Quote from: Gusington on October 01, 2013, 09:13:54 PM
Hug?
I appreciate your effort. I just don't Think one hug is enough.
FFS!!! I played Shadow of the horned rat, Dark omen, chaos gate and Rites of war. I want evolution!!!
Yes i also played SM, Dw and Dw 2.
So, Gus. hugs and kisses? :)
Let me think about it :)
O M G ! 11on3!
My heart aches for compassion, and you will only suckle my toes! :(
well this got weird quick!
Nothing wrong with a little manly love.
but theres man love and then theres Gus love..........
.........shudder
I'd gladly take a modernized chaos gate. That game kicked so much a$$!
Quote from: Fetrik on October 01, 2013, 09:17:56 PM
Quote from: Gusington on October 01, 2013, 09:13:54 PM
Hug?
I appreciate your effort. I just don't Think one hug is enough.
FFS!!! I played Shadow of the horned rat, Dark omen, chaos gate and Rites of war. I want evolution!!!
Yes i also played SM, Dw and Dw 2.
So, Gus. hugs and kisses? :)
I'd be quite happy with a new iteration of
Chaos Gate.
It's probably not too much to ask considering the other X-Com style tactical turn-based combat games are fairly popular right now.
Quote from: Nefaro on October 02, 2013, 05:37:12 PM
Quote from: Fetrik on October 01, 2013, 09:17:56 PM
Quote from: Gusington on October 01, 2013, 09:13:54 PM
Hug?
I appreciate your effort. I just don't Think one hug is enough.
FFS!!! I played Shadow of the horned rat, Dark omen, chaos gate and Rites of war. I want evolution!!!
Yes i also played SM, Dw and Dw 2.
So, Gus. hugs and kisses? :)
I'd be quite happy with a new iteration of Chaos Gate.
It's probably not too much to ask considering the other X-Com style tactical turn-based combat games are fairly popular right now.
what I was thinking when playing x-com EU. this would be cool with bigger maps and WH40k units!
^^ TRUTH!
It occurred to me the other day, though, that we may never get an actual translation of Warhammer tactical rules (40K or otherwise) to the computer, precisely because if that ever happened Games Workshop would be competing against itself. We'll get all kinds of other approximations of the system in different real-time and turn-based applications, but not the inspiration for those approximations.
The recent Space Hulk PC conversion doesn't necessarily contradict this principle, if GW treats it as a gateway to get people to buy and play the (very expensive) boardgame, instead of a way for people to effectively play the boardgame on computer. In other words, so long as all we get is the first campaign, and maybe a followup campaign DLC (or maybe not), and no way for people to 'build' their own campaigns or missions, the new SH game is really just an advertisement for the boardgame where GW may recoup their advertising costs directly through purchases of their advertising medium.
I do have to admit that the Blood Bowl PC game seems (by its latest iteration anyway) to be a total conversion, so that would be an exception to the principle.
GW has largely been walking away from its one-offs and lesser children.
I'd be curious to know what the numbers of Space Hulk (box) were, but, given the high number of remainders available, I doubt Dreadfleet did very well at all, and we all know what happened to Warhammer Historicals.
Its core business is Warhammer and Warhammer 40K. It is there that it wrings, twists, squeezes, and extorts. It is there that it must not compete with itself which is why the near-certain cash cow that a digital 40K would be has never appeared. This is no secret -- its reps have said as much.
That said, BB -- Chaos Edition is a REALLY good game and Space Hulk is a nice implementation of the rule set. I guess this is why the early looks at the Armageddon are not being greeted by enthusiasms...there's much more there that could be done, but GW has no interest in letting it happen.
FWIW, my fantasy game remains a full-blooded redo of Final Liberation: All armies, 3D terrain, and the Living Rules. Most everything past 2ed 40K is pretty much rubbish in my eyes.
Best,
Jim
"Cyrano"
:/7)
Teasing you with Warhammer 40K: Armageddon Orks. WWAAAAAGGGGHHH!!!
http://www.pockettactics.com/news/ios-news/gork-mork-ork-tanks-slitherines-warhammer-40k-armageddon/
Great informative article about Warhammer 40,000: Armageddon based on our presentation at HOW14.
http://www.pcgamesn.com/warhammer-40000-armageddon-waaahggame-anyone-can-play
Nice article. I'm starting to get a little excited for this one again.
What's the planned release date?
Quote from: undercovergeek on October 02, 2013, 03:08:34 AM
well this got weird quick!
It's scary, isn't it? :o
Maybe Starfury can up the tone for the way the conversations going... ::) ;)
If he doesn't then maybe Tim from the Lordz will tell us about a certain Dryad he's fallen in love with in "
Sovereignty"? Some of the rumours about voluptuousness about the female elves & nymphs in that game raised my pulse rate a bit too... ;)
Boardgamegeek preview of WH 40K: Armageddon at HOW14
http://boardgamegeek.com/blogpost/30645/warhammer-40k-armageddon-preview-how-2014
Quote from: Lord Zimoa on May 28, 2014, 06:40:11 AM
Boardgamegeek preview of WH 40K: Armageddon at HOW14
http://boardgamegeek.com/blogpost/30645/warhammer-40k-armageddon-preview-how-2014
Yo, Tim! :)
Have you got Alex to design you the élite Ork "Timz Boyz" yet? They'd be fun for you - and us - in an AAR, if development will support that yet? 8)