...you double click the shortcut to start it up and then immediately think - even before the game has started - "Do I really want to play this?"?
lol - youre a 'troubled gamer' JD!
I know :(
Just tried BF4 online and ffs...if I am not the shittiest player online, then I'd like to shake the hand of the person that is. For some god awful reason everyone else seems to be able to spot me regardless of where I am - and all before I even have a clue where ANYONE is or where I'm meant to be going.
I guess as you get familiar with levels, it gets a bit easier - this was my first time online - but 7 deaths in as many minutes does NOT make for an enjoyable experience. I've never been overly pleased with "frantic" online gaming...preferring a more stealth, hide and seek kind of game (like ArmA III) - though I've never played that online so wouldn't know what online play is like.
Quote from: JudgeDredd on December 07, 2013, 05:26:17 AM
...you double click the shortcut to start it up and then immediately think - even before the game has started - "Do I really want to play this?"?
Sadly, this is happening to me more and more where I have a strong urge to play any game, but as I look through all my stuff, nothing just really grabs me anymore. I fire the game up and within minutes close it down. This is getting to the point where I buy stuff and hardly even play it. Not sure what it is with me, but maybe one or more of the following:
- I just have too much stuff and can't settle on something to play
- I bought things I really didn't need or want, but got caught up in an impulse buy
- A lot of the games come out with too many bugs and by the time playable, I have moved on
- Don't have as much gaming time as I have had in the past
- I almost enjoy reading about game reviews and discussing games in forums, then actually playing them
- Games I have picked up are sometimes too complex and hard to wrap my head around
- Too many games kind of feel the same, especially with FPS...I know they are different, but to me they can get repetitive even if different types
- Seems games are moving more to multiplayer focused, which I don't like to participate based on my availability and schedule
- Not an entire bad thing, but there are so many games out there now, nothing really feels special like it used to when I was growing up
- Maybe I am just getting too old for this level of gaming and time for me to pick a new hobby:(
I have picked up an xbox one recently and have had a good time playing it, largely because it is something I can do with my daughter and I don't overthink the games I play at all...I know they are mostly simple games that you pick up just to have some fun, without all the complexity and such....
What a bad attitude for me to have as we move into the really good holiday sales time period:(
Not to make this into a BF4 topic, because we already have one; But JD I know how you feel. I have those days with BF too. Ironically you mention liking a slower pace and more stealthyness. Well this is exactly what works in BF. You need to read the map, use cover and leap frog from point to point.
If you are going to run everywhere guns blazing you're as good as dead.
Also, if you play alone you will need to change your tactic as well. Focus more on support . Go to a front line but stay in cover and support your allies with ammo, medpacks, revives or anti-air. Or go the commando way and take back flags at points that are not defended at the moment.
Remember: its not the kills that count in BF: its your score.
Point taken on BF4. I often feel I need to get to the front line quickly - and then quickly realise the front line is...well, everywhere. Other people sneaking about or just stumbling on me running about like a headless chicken.
I will give it more tries. I did "start" to get BF3...familiarisation of maps is pretty important.
As for you GR - we are one and the same - separated at birth I'm sure. All the same thoughts go through my head - and yet I WILL spend a small fortune on the sales. I don't even know why. I have WitP:AE now (bought kind of by accident) and really ought to make an effort to dig in.
I've tried the "remove all games but this one" to try and get into a game. Then I've thought "Well...I suppose it's ok to have one of each genre"....before I know it I have a shed load of shortcuts on my desktop!
Oh well. We have these enlightenment threads from time to time and like anyone else addicted to something, we go straight back to our habit. It's a curse for sure, but not a life destroying one thankfully (for most at least).
"As for you GR - we are one and the same - separated at birth I'm sure. All the same thoughts go through my head - and yet I WILL spend a small fortune on the sales. I don't even know why. I have WitP:AE now (bought kind of by accident) and really ought to make an effort to dig in."
I've owned WitP:AE for 4 years now and I've only gotten as far as launching it, looking around the map, and then exiting. I want to play it so bad but the second I click the icon I know I'll be back to the desktop in a matter of minutes.
Quote from: KyzBP on December 07, 2013, 07:45:20 AM
"As for you GR - we are one and the same - separated at birth I'm sure. All the same thoughts go through my head - and yet I WILL spend a small fortune on the sales. I don't even know why. I have WitP:AE now (bought kind of by accident) and really ought to make an effort to dig in."
I've owned WitP:AE for 4 years now and I've only gotten as far as launching it, looking around the map, and then exiting. I want to play it so bad but the second I click the icon I know I'll be back to the desktop in a matter of minutes.
Yep, I am in the same boat.....on paper, this is a game topic I should love, but immediately overwhelmed. I think it my head I want things to be large and model real life, but that comes with a price of playability. I just remember playing games on my Commodore 128 all the time without thinking about all this stuff....even had a Midway game where it just had an asterisk map with letters moving around and I played the heck out of it! Maybe more isn't always better....
Quote from: KyzBP on December 07, 2013, 07:45:20 AM
"As for you GR - we are one and the same - separated at birth I'm sure. All the same thoughts go through my head - and yet I WILL spend a small fortune on the sales. I don't even know why. I have WitP:AE now (bought kind of by accident) and really ought to make an effort to dig in."
I've owned WitP:AE for 4 years now and I've only gotten as far as launching it, looking around the map, and then exiting. I want to play it so bad but the second I click the icon I know I'll be back to the desktop in a matter of minutes.
I don't particularly want to say anything good about WitP:AE -- I played it for years PBEM and I'm glad I stopped -- but I have to admit -- once you are deep in it -- it is a very interesting (if not exactly good) game.
Quote from: KyzBP on December 07, 2013, 07:45:20 AM
I've owned WitP:AE for 4 years now and I've only gotten as far as launching it, looking around the map, and then exiting. I want to play it so bad but the second I click the icon I know I'll be back to the desktop in a matter of minutes.
I've been doing exactly the same for the past 3 years.
In BF4 the commander (if there is one) can lay down a UAV Scan which basically highlights all enemy units in a given radius. So if you're in this area with a UAV live, then you're going to show up regardless of how stealthy you want to be. However, there is a counter to it, if the opponent commander lays down an EMP UAV jammer. Which basically makes the radius area go dark. Very useful to drop down when your men are trying to take an area. Similarly, if you're on defense having incoming light up is very useful.
Quote from: KyzBP on December 07, 2013, 07:45:20 AM
"As for you GR - we are one and the same - separated at birth I'm sure. All the same thoughts go through my head - and yet I WILL spend a small fortune on the sales. I don't even know why. I have WitP:AE now (bought kind of by accident) and really ought to make an effort to dig in."
I've owned WitP:AE for 4 years now and I've only gotten as far as launching it, looking around the map, and then exiting. I want to play it so bad but the second I click the icon I know I'll be back to the desktop in a matter of minutes.
I actually managed to press the "End Turn" button...yay ME! Proper hardcore grognard now yeah? lol
@Spelk - BF4 - yep. There are some great gameplay features in it. BF3 and 2 also. I played BF2 for quite some time with a clan...because that is the only real way to play online and enjoy it. You get the camaraderie, the fun and laughs and the tactics. Finding a good clan is very important to enjoying them online I think. For me at least.
This is another take on a reoccurring theme; game burnout. Not that this topic didn't need to be started JD, it's a good one to hash out.
My opinion - if you're sitting there staring at your computer wondering what to play and what may be appealing to you, you need to push the chair out from the desk, get up and go find something else to do. You may not sit back down at your computer desk to play a game for a day, a week or a month even. As a single guy, that's usually when I've reached "cabin fever" levels and want to go skirt chasing but that's another topic. Others may just need to enjoy the outdoors, or another hobby, or the wife or the kids or here's a suggestion: go stay the weekend in a historically rich city/town and look up the history of the place.
In the end though, each of us are life long wargamers (Grogsheads) and eventually some thing, some setting, some movie, some spat with the wife/girlfriend/kids/dog/cat/ferret/hamster/goldfish, will eventually get you back in the mood to blow things up, move armies of tanks, cavalry charge an artillery post or storm that beach and you'll be back at it again.
Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? NO!! Now get back in there and fire up that campaign game of WiTP or keep at those MWiF tutorials- you have plans for world domination to conduct!!!
LOL- You tell'em Bluto!
I never really experienced anything like this until earlier this year or so. Luckily, the game burn-out hasn't been total thus far and I've always been able to find something to enjoy. I usually just get back to playing some game I haven't played in a while, start a PBEM for a wargame I haven't played in a while, jump into a beta for a game that isn't similar to what I've played recently, or just get back to classics that don't get old provided you don't play them all the time.
Some of these feelings, that it would seem many of us share, may come from the constant glut of cheap, digital download games on sale at sites like Steam. I sometimes feel compelled to buy something that is only marginallly appealing and that I wouldn't buy at full price, but when it's on sale 6 months later for $6.99 I do it and then do little more than fire it up to make sure it works, maybe play the tutorial, but then move on to that next $6.99 sale game....and on and on. Back when games were at full price, purchased in a store with a physical box and cd and not likely to be on sale for years, I would learn the game, play it often and come to appreciate its subtle nuances and such because it would be awhile before I would plop down $50.00 for another game. These sales are both a blessing and a curse.
Rayfer, I certainly think you have nailed at least one aspect of it. I will say that there is a partial cure for that problem - being poor. It's why I don't find it affecting me too much as I AM poor. However, I have had the good fortune of collecting games through various sources through the years, so, I would say that there are times that I look at the screen and go, "I wonder what is happening at Grogheads," rather than firing up a game. So then I come here and annoy people ;)
Quote from: MetalDog on December 07, 2013, 10:50:34 AM
Rayfer, I certainly think you have nailed at least one aspect of it. I will say that there is a partial cure for that problem - being poor. It's why I don't find it affecting me too much as I AM poor. However, I have had the good fortune of collecting games through various sources through the years, so, I would say that there are times that I look at the screen and go, "I wonder what is happening at Grogheads," rather than firing up a game. So then I come here and annoy people ;)
You're not poor!, You're annoying!!!!
I AM poor! AND annoying! Wanna play some Warlock?
I think for me it's a combination of too much choice and not enough focus.
GJK - you know me and my board games. I love 'em. I do get far more enjoyment out of them than my computer games - but even then I have to be in the mood to pull them out, set them up and play them. So I don't think I'm burned out on computer games...just as I said above - spoilt for choice and no focus.
For example I've been waiting patiently for F12013 to hit the sale. It did so, but for 50% off and I thought that wasn't enough...so I left it. But I'm still hoping the steam sale has it for less...but why? I've had 2010, 2011 and 2012 and not once have I even raced a season in any of those games. A few races here and there yes - but not a whole season.
I need to decide to give a game a go and then drop the rest...but with so many games scratching a different itch, it's hard to take them off.
Anyway - I am thoroughly enjoying Splinter Cell:Blacklist - by far by a country mile the best game I've bought in the sales and if I knew it was as enjoyable to me, I'd have paid full price for it.
Anyway - out for a pint tomorrow
Quote from: MetalDog on December 07, 2013, 10:50:34 AM
Rayfer, I certainly think you have nailed at least one aspect of it. I will say that there is a partial cure for that problem - being poor. It's why I don't find it affecting me too much as I AM poor. However, I have had the good fortune of collecting games through various sources through the years, so, I would say that there are times that I look at the screen and go, "I wonder what is happening at Grogheads," rather than firing up a game. So then I come here and annoy people ;)
LOL...I share your situation,I retired a few years back so I am now on a fixed income and don't have the funds to be frivolous with game purchases. I am much more selective these days and yet those cheap sales are so enticing because they are cheap and not necessarily great games.
Quote from: MetalDog on December 07, 2013, 10:50:34 AM
Rayfer, I certainly think you have nailed at least one aspect of it. I will say that there is a partial cure for that problem - being poor. It's why I don't find it affecting me too much as I AM poor. However, I have had the good fortune of collecting games through various sources through the years, so, I would say that there are times that I look at the screen and go, "I wonder what is happening at Grogheads," rather than firing up a game. So then I come here and annoy people ;)
Spoken for truth. Many of the games I play were given to me by some nice folks here on Grogs. With my own retirement looming at the end of this year, I have to think twice about buying games, at least until we see how our finances cope.
Never fear MD, I will get Warlock 2 and I'll be chasing you to resume our Sunday MP games.
Quote from: bob48 on December 07, 2013, 11:52:42 AM
Quote from: MetalDog on December 07, 2013, 10:50:34 AM
Rayfer, I certainly think you have nailed at least one aspect of it. I will say that there is a partial cure for that problem - being poor. It's why I don't find it affecting me too much as I AM poor. However, I have had the good fortune of collecting games through various sources through the years, so, I would say that there are times that I look at the screen and go, "I wonder what is happening at Grogheads," rather than firing up a game. So then I come here and annoy people ;)
Spoken for truth. Many of the games I play were given to me by some nice folks here on Grogs. With my own retirement looming at the end of this year, I have to think twice about buying games, at least until we see how our finances cope.
Never fear MD, I will get Warlock 2 and I'll be chasing you to resume our Sunday MP games.
Would love to hop on Warlock with you guys.. but I slept late.. we have company coming tonight.. so I'm sure if I set to 'gaming' today, that will not go over well!!!
Sorry, JD, going to derail this thread for just a moment. Once Warlock 2 comes out, I expect we'll get all the old cronies back together. Tuna, bob, bart, Windi, TCT and so on. Really looking forward to it as I miss our MP games.
Quote from: MetalDog on December 07, 2013, 12:03:45 PM
Sorry, JD, going to derail this thread for just a moment. Once Warlock 2 comes out, I expect we'll get all the old cronies back together. Tuna, bob, bart, Windi, TCT and so on. Really looking forward to it as I miss our MP games.
I just renewed my Teamspeak subscription, that we haven't even used since the last time we played!.. Funny, I used to play a lot of MP, with the kids too.. so it got a lot of use back then.. CoD.. BF 1942 - 2142 - 2.... Company of Heroes.. etc.. etc..
Quote from: MetalDog on December 07, 2013, 12:03:45 PM
Sorry, JD, going to derail this thread for just a moment. Once Warlock 2 comes out, I expect we'll get all the old cronies back together. Tuna, bob, bart, Windi, TCT and so on. Really looking forward to it as I miss our MP games.
In a way, this goes back to what has been said earlier, about being burned out on a game. I've logged 422 hours on Warlock, and think its still a good game, but you do get to a point where you have to stop for a while. we have to hope that W2 is going to be 'better', and will give at least as many hours fun as did W1. I know that I would go back and play w1 again if W2 did not happen or if it does and don't live up to expectations.
The main thing for me is that, yes, I miss the MP games as well, not so much for the game as for the good conversation and laughs that we enjoyed whilst playing.
Quote from: Tuna on December 07, 2013, 12:12:36 PM
Quote from: MetalDog on December 07, 2013, 12:03:45 PM
Sorry, JD, going to derail this thread for just a moment. Once Warlock 2 comes out, I expect we'll get all the old cronies back together. Tuna, bob, bart, Windi, TCT and so on. Really looking forward to it as I miss our MP games.
I just renewed my Teamspeak subscription, that we haven't even used since the last time we played!.. Funny, I used to play a lot of MP, with the kids too.. so it got a lot of use back then.. CoD.. BF 1942 - 2142 - 2.... Company of Heroes.. etc.. etc..
MD and I just used the voice stuff in Steam and that works fine.
Quote from: bob48 on December 07, 2013, 12:17:13 PM
Quote from: Tuna on December 07, 2013, 12:12:36 PM
Quote from: MetalDog on December 07, 2013, 12:03:45 PM
Sorry, JD, going to derail this thread for just a moment. Once Warlock 2 comes out, I expect we'll get all the old cronies back together. Tuna, bob, bart, Windi, TCT and so on. Really looking forward to it as I miss our MP games.
I just renewed my Teamspeak subscription, that we haven't even used since the last time we played!.. Funny, I used to play a lot of MP, with the kids too.. so it got a lot of use back then.. CoD.. BF 1942 - 2142 - 2.... Company of Heroes.. etc.. etc..
MD and I just used the voice stuff in Steam and that works fine.
Quality of TS is much better!.. Don't think I had the pleasure of playing with you Bob, probably due to timezone.
I agree, there a lot of games, that I just don't have the urge, even though I love the concept.. WITP AE is one... I enjoyed the tutorial scenario of WITP vanilla, and that made me want to buy AE.. but then I'd reached my limit of micromanagement..
This is one reason I wish they did the same graphics mode for Vanilla that they did for AE, then I'd give it another shot. If you're gonna charge a premium price, then keep support the thing darn it!
WITE bought it the day it came out.. enjoyed my short time playing some of the small scenarios.. always think I wanted to do the big campaign but told myself that I wanted to wait till the ironed the bugs out.. wasted of 80 bucks...
This keeps me safe from Matrix other high price offerings... even though I like the Ideas and concepts.. I can easily say no to the Command: Modern Air.. and World in Flames offerings.. Others are not so strong.. Although, if you got tons of playing time out of it, then Kudos, it was worth the price.
Funny though, I've easily sunk well over 200 into FSX last few months..
A2A Accusim for B-17 30
REX 44 (was on sale for 22 the next week grrrrr)
GEX NA 34
UTX NA 34
PMDG 737 NGX 59
Twin Otter Extended 27
Real Air Lanclair Legacy 24
Orbx Pacific NW and aiprts 43
I guess the piecemeal purchasing part of it lessens the pain.. But then, I have been putting a lot of hours into it, so I think I got my Money's worth.. But, on the other hand, there are so many other items I want for it, that I really think I need to try an break this addiction!!!!
I think it just shows how successful the method of these mega sales is, when it makes all of us buy stuff that we really don't even want. When you can sell something to a customer, that they don't even really want, you are going to be successful. I know that we all have tons of games from the Steam/Gamers Gate/Good Ole... etc.. etc... sales, that we have not even touched or at the most, just fired up to see if it works after install and never gone back. For me that list is long, and a lot of the items are premium quality games.
I do have the group that I always go back to... Civ IV, V.. Total War series.. Warlock (when played with friends ;D)
I do this with free to play games all the time. start em up stare at the screen and then uninstall :-[
like what? because I need something to do on this pos macbook.
On the other hand, if you buy games during a sale, and you never play them, that costs you significantly less than buying a game at release and never playing it.
Whoever said it earlier... If you've booted up the pc to stare at the desk top and go errrrrrr - you've come at it wrong, for an unhealthy amount of time I sit at work thinking about which country to invade next, where to put that machine gun company, whether my favorite legion should lead the attack or stay in the rear, that I want to perfect air ops in cmano..... by the time I actually sit in front of the monitor my gaming is all planned out and I can't wait
I think if I did just stare and not know what to pay and I'm doing it for the sake of it then it's cuppa and Netflix time
Quote from: undercovergeek on December 07, 2013, 04:27:00 PM
Whoever said it earlier... If you've booted up the pc to stare at the desk top and go errrrrrr - you've come at it wrong, for an unhealthy amount of time I sit at work thinking about which country to invade next, where to put that machine gun company, whether my favorite legion should lead the attack or stay in the rear, that I want to perfect air ops in cmano..... by the time I actually sit in front of the monitor my gaming is all planned out and I can't wait
I think if I did just stare and not know what to pay and I'm doing it for the sake of it then it's cuppa and Netflix time
Yep, playing the xbox with my daughter is giving me a little break. Just bought lego marvel superheroes and is a great title to co-op with her for some light fun.
Although, eyeing histwar, my sickness never ends:)
Yeah, I had a wonderful case of game burnout a little while back. I kept loading up Rising Sun, even though I didn't enjoy it much, just to play something. Nothing else appealed. Eventually, it passed. It happens from time to time. Just have to find something else to do for awhile when it does.
Quote from: JudgeDredd on December 07, 2013, 05:26:17 AM
...you double click the shortcut to start it up and then immediately think - even before the game has started - "Do I really want to play this?"?
I do this all the time. But only because I am having trouble deciding what game to play, not because I don't like the game I chose. Although I do find myself, later at night when I am tired, hovering over games like Europa Universalis IV (which I love) and then choosing Spelunky or something mindless because my brain can't handle the other game!
Quote from: undercovergeek on December 07, 2013, 04:27:00 PM
Whoever said it earlier... If you've booted up the pc to stare at the desk top and go errrrrrr - you've come at it wrong, for an unhealthy amount of time I sit at work thinking about which country to invade next, where to put that machine gun company, whether my favorite legion should lead the attack or stay in the rear, that I want to perfect air ops in cmano..... by the time I actually sit in front of the monitor my gaming is all planned out and I can't wait
I think if I did just stare and not know what to pay and I'm doing it for the sake of it then it's cuppa and Netflix time
I'm more in this category. Here are some other suggestions for gamers who feel burnt out:
1) Don't buy so many games
2) Buy what you want not what is on sale
3) If you don't like playing something -- get it off your machine right away -- don't let its negative waves get you down
4) better one game played a lot and enjoyed than 20 you don't really like sitting there and making you feel bad
5) be careful of multiplayer situations where you get a lot of negative reinforcement -- these suck the life out of your happy gaming time
Quote from: MengJiao on December 08, 2013, 08:58:15 AM
Quote from: undercovergeek on December 07, 2013, 04:27:00 PM
Whoever said it earlier... If you've booted up the pc to stare at the desk top and go errrrrrr - you've come at it wrong, for an unhealthy amount of time I sit at work thinking about which country to invade next, where to put that machine gun company, whether my favorite legion should lead the attack or stay in the rear, that I want to perfect air ops in cmano..... by the time I actually sit in front of the monitor my gaming is all planned out and I can't wait
I think if I did just stare and not know what to pay and I'm doing it for the sake of it then it's cuppa and Netflix time
I'm more in this category. Here are some other suggestions for gamers who feel burnt out:
1) Don't buy so many games
2) Buy what you want not what is on sale
3) If you don't like playing something -- get it off your machine right away -- don't let its negative waves get you down
4) better one game played a lot and enjoyed than 20 you don't really like sitting there and making you feel bad
5) be careful of multiplayer situations where you get a lot of negative reinforcement -- these suck the life out of your happy gaming time
Well put...written like a true Zen Game Master.
Quote from: Rayfer on December 08, 2013, 06:47:30 PM
Quote from: MengJiao on December 08, 2013, 08:58:15 AM
Quote from: undercovergeek on December 07, 2013, 04:27:00 PM
Whoever said it earlier... If you've booted up the pc to stare at the desk top and go errrrrrr - you've come at it wrong, for an unhealthy amount of time I sit at work thinking about which country to invade next, where to put that machine gun company, whether my favorite legion should lead the attack or stay in the rear, that I want to perfect air ops in cmano..... by the time I actually sit in front of the monitor my gaming is all planned out and I can't wait
I think if I did just stare and not know what to pay and I'm doing it for the sake of it then it's cuppa and Netflix time
I'm more in this category. Here are some other suggestions for gamers who feel burnt out:
1) Don't buy so many games
2) Buy what you want not what is on sale
3) If you don't like playing something -- get it off your machine right away -- don't let its negative waves get you down
4) better one game played a lot and enjoyed than 20 you don't really like sitting there and making you feel bad
5) be careful of multiplayer situations where you get a lot of negative reinforcement -- these suck the life out of your happy gaming time
Well put...written like a true Zen Game Master.
I have some less Zen recommendations:
1) get games with scenario editors and play around with those
2) hook your game interests up with other interests and pursue those unto boardgames and books if necessary which implies "games as quasi-historical" which is a bit specialized, but I find it holds my interest more than "game as mess-o-fantasy items"....